Re: [base] inherited annotations GUI suggestion

2007-07-19 Thread Bob MacCallum

Thanks for that Nicklas, I had only checked out the overview feature briefly
once before.  It's very powerful (being able to disable certain warnings is
nice).  And the Properties tab of the experiment page does indeed list the
inherited annotations for each experimental factor - it would be pretty easy
spot a missing one!

Just a general comment... BASE2 is really really nice!  Having mainly used
Genepix in BASE1, I just installed the Affymetrix plugins for BASE2 and found
that it all worked first time.  The project feature is excellent.

cheers,
Bob.

Nicklas Nordborg writes:
  Bob MacCallum wrote:
   A useful GUI addition would be another column on the Raw bioassays
   list view called 'Has inherited annotations'.  The content of that column
   would be a simple yes/no.  Alternatively, it could be called 'Inherited
   annotations' and could provide more information.
   
   Without this I don't see an efficient way to check that I have remembered
   to inherit annotations for each raw bioassay.
  
  Assuming that you have put the raw bioassays in an experiment, and that 
  you have set the selected the annotation types you are interested in as 
  experimental factors, this will show up on the experiment page 
  (Properties tab).
  
  Another way is to go to the Overview tab. This will list everything in 
  the experiment in a tree-like structure up to biosources and array 
  designs. It will also check that you have values for all experimental 
  factors and a lot of other things. If something is missing or incorrect 
  there are links that take you directly to a form for fixing it. Read 
  more about this in the user documentation:
  http://base.thep.lu.se/chrome/site/doc/html/userdoc/analysis/experiments_analysis.experiments.html#experiments_analysis.experiment.overview
  
   Obviously this would be suitable for other item types too.
   
   It might even be nice to be able to set up default annotation
   inheritance paths for a Project, but that's probably a bigger task.
  
  I think there is need for a better interface for inheriting annotations.
  or a smart way to make it happen automatically. As it is now the system 
  is a bit cumbersome to use. But I really don't have any ideas how to 
  make things better so any thoughts are welcome.
  
   A related aside:
 
 So correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that for most purposes, you only
 need to inherit annotations from Sample or Biosource to Raw bioassays.
 Although you can inherit these annotations at each intermediate step
 (extract, labelled extract, hyb, scan), the last step is the important 
   one
 (for analysis).
  
  Yes, it doesn't make much sense to inherit annotations to anything else 
  than raw bioassays. This is the only place where they are used by BASE. 
  When analyzing only annotations from raw bioassays, bioassay sets and 
  bioassays can be used.
  
  /Nicklas
  
  
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Re: [base] inherited annotations GUI suggestion

2007-07-19 Thread Nicklas Nordborg
Bob MacCallum wrote:
 Thanks for that Nicklas, I had only checked out the overview feature briefly
 once before.  It's very powerful (being able to disable certain warnings is
 nice).  And the Properties tab of the experiment page does indeed list the
 inherited annotations for each experimental factor - it would be pretty easy
 spot a missing one!
 
 Just a general comment... BASE2 is really really nice!  Having mainly used
 Genepix in BASE1, I just installed the Affymetrix plugins for BASE2 and found
 that it all worked first time.  The project feature is excellent.
 

Thanks. Positive feedback is always appreciated.

/Nicklas

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Re: [base] inherited annotations GUI suggestion

2007-07-18 Thread Nicklas Nordborg
Bob MacCallum wrote:
 A useful GUI addition would be another column on the Raw bioassays
 list view called 'Has inherited annotations'.  The content of that column
 would be a simple yes/no.  Alternatively, it could be called 'Inherited
 annotations' and could provide more information.
 
 Without this I don't see an efficient way to check that I have remembered
 to inherit annotations for each raw bioassay.

Assuming that you have put the raw bioassays in an experiment, and that 
you have set the selected the annotation types you are interested in as 
experimental factors, this will show up on the experiment page 
(Properties tab).

Another way is to go to the Overview tab. This will list everything in 
the experiment in a tree-like structure up to biosources and array 
designs. It will also check that you have values for all experimental 
factors and a lot of other things. If something is missing or incorrect 
there are links that take you directly to a form for fixing it. Read 
more about this in the user documentation:
http://base.thep.lu.se/chrome/site/doc/html/userdoc/analysis/experiments_analysis.experiments.html#experiments_analysis.experiment.overview

 Obviously this would be suitable for other item types too.
 
 It might even be nice to be able to set up default annotation
 inheritance paths for a Project, but that's probably a bigger task.

I think there is need for a better interface for inheriting annotations.
or a smart way to make it happen automatically. As it is now the system 
is a bit cumbersome to use. But I really don't have any ideas how to 
make things better so any thoughts are welcome.

 A related aside:
   
   So correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that for most purposes, you only
   need to inherit annotations from Sample or Biosource to Raw bioassays.
   Although you can inherit these annotations at each intermediate step
   (extract, labelled extract, hyb, scan), the last step is the important one
   (for analysis).

Yes, it doesn't make much sense to inherit annotations to anything else 
than raw bioassays. This is the only place where they are used by BASE. 
When analyzing only annotations from raw bioassays, bioassay sets and 
bioassays can be used.

/Nicklas


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