Re: bbdb-mode-map should inherit from special-mode-map
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:47:11 -0500 Roland Winkler wink...@gnu.org wrote: RW On Wed Apr 13 2011 Ted Zlatanov wrote: It should be possible to support at least Emacs 23.x and XEmacs. Gnus does it so we can look there for potential problems and solutions. You could ask David Engster d...@randomsample.de, who's setting up a Gnus buildbot, to do the same for BBDB. Also you should consider using ERT to write BBDB tests which can be run by the BBDB buildbot. RW Sounds all quite reasonable. At the same time I need to say that my RW time for such things is limited. So it can happen that I might do RW them rather slowly or never. Asking David is very easy. I can do it for you if you like. The ERT tests are pretty simple. I can get them started if you have no philosophical objections. RW PS: As I said before, for me the highest priority with BBDB are now RW bug fixes and a proper release (for GNU Emacs). Once this is done RW (which might be enough of a project for me to keep me busy for some RW time) I'll be happy to look into new directions. I think the buildbot and ERT tests will help you precisely with bug fixes and a faster release. Ted -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Non-nil default value in hook variables
Hello, I have been bitten more than once by non-nil default values in hook variables such as: (defcustom bbdb-create-hook 'bbdb-creation-date :group 'bbdb :type 'hook) Then if one does (add-hook 'bbdb-create-hook 'bbdb-add-uuid) in one's .emacs, the default value may be ignored. I suggest change all these defcustom instances something like: (defcustom bbdb-create-hook nil :group 'bbdb :type 'hook) (add-hook 'bbdb-create-hook 'bbdb-creation-date) Leo -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: bbdb-mode-map should inherit from special-mode-map
On Thu Apr 14 2011 Ted Zlatanov wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:47:11 -0500 Roland Winkler wink...@gnu.org wrote: RW On Wed Apr 13 2011 Ted Zlatanov wrote: It should be possible to support at least Emacs 23.x and XEmacs. Gnus does it so we can look there for potential problems and solutions. You could ask David Engster d...@randomsample.de, who's setting up a Gnus buildbot, to do the same for BBDB. Also you should consider using ERT to write BBDB tests which can be run by the BBDB buildbot. RW Sounds all quite reasonable. At the same time I need to say that my RW time for such things is limited. So it can happen that I might do RW them rather slowly or never. Asking David is very easy. I can do it for you if you like. The ERT tests are pretty simple. I can get them started if you have no philosophical objections. Quite honestly, I've never heard of ERT. If it's something that helps to make sure that BBDB works reliably with GNU Emacs 23.x you have me on the boat for this. -- Up to now, I simply used my latest GNU Emacs as the only reference. Yet I am updating this every now and then, without paying too much attention what has changed as long as things work for me. For BBDB this is certainly not a good strategy. If ELT can help to do this better, that's great! If you can contact David to get this going, yet better; thanks a lot. (Is there some web page documenting ELT? I quickly searched it, but I could not find it.) My main concern is XEmacs support. While I am not at all opposed to having this (re)added to BBDB, it is simply something where I do not know about and it ranks low on my personal agenda. If anybody is willing to work on this, please let me know. Roland -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: Non-nil default value in hook variables
On Fri Apr 15 2011 Leo wrote: I suggest change all these defcustom instances something like: (defcustom bbdb-create-hook nil :group 'bbdb :type 'hook) (add-hook 'bbdb-create-hook 'bbdb-creation-date) Agreed and thanks, that looks much cleaner! Roland -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BBDB] Changelog 2010-04-10
Roland Winkler wink...@gnu.org wrote: First of all, the most noteworthy change is that BBDB has been transfered from CVS to git. So for anonymous checkout, you should now use For those of us who had write access to the old repo, is that still the case ? What are the changes in the latest code? Is the net field still a list of email addresses? Thanks for the rejuvenation cure on BBDB! -- Resistance is futile. You will be jazzimilated. Scientific site: http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier Music (Jazz) site: http://www.didierverna.com -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: Non-nil default value in hook variables
I suggest change all these defcustom instances something like: (defcustom bbdb-create-hook nil :group 'bbdb :type 'hook) (add-hook 'bbdb-create-hook 'bbdb-creation-date) Agreed and thanks, that looks much cleaner! But then don't define them as defcustom but just defvars since Custom gets confused by the add-hook. Stefan -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: Non-nil default value in hook variables
On Thu Apr 14 2011 Stefan Monnier wrote: I suggest change all these defcustom instances something like: (defcustom bbdb-create-hook nil :group 'bbdb :type 'hook) (add-hook 'bbdb-create-hook 'bbdb-creation-date) Agreed and thanks, that looks much cleaner! But then don't define them as defcustom but just defvars since Custom gets confused by the add-hook. ...another good point! -- It would be nice to have a possibility to define hook variables with defcustom such that these variables can have a non-nil default value. But the more I think about this, the more this appears to be a nasty and messy problem (allowing the user both to extend the hook and to replace the hook). Oh well... Roland -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: Non-nil default value in hook variables
On Thu Apr 14 2011 Stefan Monnier wrote: I suggest change all these defcustom instances something like: (defcustom bbdb-create-hook nil :group 'bbdb :type 'hook) (add-hook 'bbdb-create-hook 'bbdb-creation-date) Agreed and thanks, that looks much cleaner! But then don't define them as defcustom but just defvars since Custom gets confused by the add-hook. One more thought on this: What should someone do who simply wants the hook to be nil? If add-hook is called explicitly in bbdb.el such people are stuck: their setting is lost when bbdb.el is loaded (whereas there was no such problem with the original code where the default value of the hook variable is set with a call to defcustom). It seems to me that whatever scheme is used here, at best it can only make some people happy. Oh well! (Yet here it is probably more likely that people want to add elements to the hook than making it nil. This makes calling add-hook in bbdb.el the better solution here.) Roland -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Is the feature to add/update record when sending emails useful?
Hi, I personally haven't used this much in Emacs. But since gmail does this and I have found it useful at times, I wonder if this feature should be part of the bbdb-mua feature set. Leo -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: Non-nil default value in hook variables
On 2011-04-15 10:15 +0800, Roland Winkler wrote: One more thought on this: What should someone do who simply wants the hook to be nil? If add-hook is called explicitly in bbdb.el such people are stuck: their setting is lost when bbdb.el is loaded (whereas there was no such problem with the original code where the default value of the hook variable is set with a call to defcustom). When people use add-hook they think they are adding another function to a hook so if this isn't the case it will surprise them. People who are setting hook to nil is in a different thinking. It seems to me that whatever scheme is used here, at best it can only make some people happy. Oh well! (Yet here it is probably more likely that people want to add elements to the hook than making it nil. This makes calling add-hook in bbdb.el the better solution here.) Roland Leo -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
