Agnihotra was Re: ashing
You can find out more info on agnihotra and HOMA therapy or checkout the SATSANG publication at http://www.agnihotra.com -Allan from those pages: What is HOMA THERAPY ? Homa is a Sanskrit word used here synonymously with Yajnya. Yajnya is the technical term from the Vedic science of bioenergy denoting the process of removing the toxic conditions of the atmosphere through the agency of fire. You heal the atmosphere and the healed atmosphere heals you. This is the central idea in Homa Therapy. Yajnya replenishes the nutrients that pollution robs from our environment. Homa Therapy is totally a revealed science. It is as old as creation. In the course of time this knowledge was lost but it is now being resuscitated to give people guidance about how to correct the polluted conditions we find ourselves in on the planet today. Homa Therapy comes from VEDAS, the ancientmost body of knowledge known to man. The most basic Homa (Yajnya) is called AGNIHOTRA and is tuned to the biorhythm of sunrise/sunset. Performance of Agnihotra on a regular daily basis establishes the healing energies necessary for a healthy environment. The process involves preparing a small fire in a copper pyramid of fixed size and putting some grains of rice and ghee (clarified unsalted butter) into fire exactly at sunrise and sunset accompanied by the chant of two simple mantras. You can practice Agnihotra in your apartment, garden, office or car. It takes only a few minutes of your time daily. Greetings Fernando: The ashing process works mainly with insects, rodents and plants and the basic info is in Steiner's Agriculture. We have had success with Agnihotra ash for pests as well. Their website is , I believe, www.copworks. com/Agnihotra. There is a newsletter they put out which has many articles on farms which have fewer pest problems once they begin to practice Agnihotra. Blessings and Good Luck, Barbara and Woody P.S. If anyone knows of the German book which explains in detail the ashing process for certain plants we would sure appreciate knowing the title. Thanks http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Fernando Cabral [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:29 PM Subject: Re: ashing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you better just relocate..sstorch Is this supposed to be a joke? - fernando -- REDUZIR, REUSAR, RECICLAR -- Dever de todos, amor aos que virão REDUCE, REUSE, RECYCLE -- Everybody's duty, love to those who are to come Fernando CabralPadrao iX Sistemas Abertos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pix.com.br Fone Direto: +55 61 329-0206 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PABX: +55 61 329-0202 Fax: +55 61 326-3082 15º 45' 04.9 S (23 L 0196446/8256520) 47º 49' 58.6 W 19º 37' 57.0 S (23 K 0469898/7829161) 45º 17' 13.6 W
Re: Hydoponic BD
I await anxiously your emails :-) bob SLF - Original Message - From: Rambler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 4:12 PM Subject: Hydoponic BD Hi Panama Bob My question is if BD may possibly be integrated into a production system that sprays cold nutrients onto roots or is soil temperature need to be at certain level to encourage micro organisms activity which produce the added umph to plant health Would it be possible to make a nutrient liquid mix leached out of a compost bed that utilized the micro organism activity? Yes While am am not a hydoponics grower I am familiar with what you are doing. I have some ideas how to make this work. I use foliar spraying as a rescue method to over come a serious nutrient imbalance on an all year round cut foliage nursery under plastic. A combination of liquid teas,sequential spraying,and potentised preps is what i have in mind. It would not be able to be certified as organic but certainly would get you away from growing waterfilled chemical food that tastes like crap. The higher than normal brix levels intrigue me, and the subsequent natural defense against parasites This is an area that really does interest me also. It ties in with Hugh Lovels idea of growing corn as a suppler of nutrients to the soil. Also with DR Carey Reams work as written by Dan Skow in 'MainLIne Farming for the 21st Centary and William Albrect work The Albrect Papers vol 1-4 and Weeds with Poisons written by Charles Walter . They all refer to achieving high brix levels to ward of insects and for weed control. Any way when i have cleared my backlog of work[it has rained on 17 days this month and it is the middle of summer for us]I will post you my thoughts. Seasons geeeting and blessing to the new year. Cheers Tony Robinson New Zealand
Re: Albrecht System for soil testing and fertilisation
BD-Now - The thread on Re: Albrecht System for soil testing and fertilisation caught my eye. First, I draw your attention to the online materials from Mark Shonbeck, the soil scientist and farmer associated with Virginia Association of Biological Farmers, VABF. Soil Cation Nutrient Balancing in Sustainable Agriculture: Missing Link, or Red Herring? By Mark Schonbeck, VABF Information Sheet http://www.vabf.f2s.com/soilre1.php Does my Soil Need Cation Nutrient Balancing?: A practical guide to balanced nutrition for soil and crops By Mark Schonbeck, VABF Information Sheet http://www.vabf.f2s.com/soilre2.php How to Use a Soil Test By Mark Schonbeck, VABF Information Sheet http://www.vabf.f2s.com/soilre3.php Soil Nutrient Balancing in Sustainable Vegetable Production By Mark Schonbeck, VABF Results of 2000 season field trials, and evaluation of the first three years. A Final Report submitted to the Organic Farming Research Foundation, December 2000 http://www.vabf.f2s.com/soilresum.php It should be noted these online materials are html versions of the original information sheets published in print. The print versions contain contain addditional diagrams, illustrations or tables. An interesting note is that Schonbeck -- in the context of an historical timeline of soil science and agronomic research -- has conducted the most recent and up-to-date field research on base saturation ratios. Working on research funds from Organic Farming Research Foundiation and the Southern SARE program, he conducted soil tests and made fertilizer recommendations according to the so-called Albrecht formula or what is more widely known as Base Cation Saturation Ratio, BCSR. He evaluated the effect of calcium-magnesium ratios, for example, on crop yields and soil quality factors, and maybe pest occurrence. Schonbeck presented the results of the first 2-3 years of field work at the Southern SAWG conference in January 2000, in Chattanooga, TN. In a nutshell, he has not found much support for BCSR in soils of the southern region, i.e., Virginia soils. The point is, that BCSR is not a be all, end all soil fertility management scheme for farmers in all locations. In fact, Schonbeck said that a number of gardening and farming publications from the Northeastern U.S. and Europe (for example, England) are geocentric. For example, a southern farmer would not encounter the same soils found on the Rodale research farm in Pennsylvania. Southern farmers face high summer temperatures and rapid oxidation of organic matter. Therefore, organic matter content of southern soils is typically lower (1-2% OM) than northern soils (5-6% OM), yet the active portion of decomposing OM is present as well as many other complex forms of organic matter and humus. By the same token, Schonbeck questions the universal application of BCSR -- which was developed in relation to Midwestern soils from Missouri and Ohio -- to all soils, such as those of the south. It should be noted that Midwestern soils are of montmorillinite origin which has a 2:1 clay lattice structure while southern soils are of kaolin clay origin which have a 1:1 clay lattice structure. Fred Magdoff, soil scientist from University of Vermont, presented a well attended 4-hour long soil seminar at the same January 2000 conference in Chattanooga. He talked about soil tests that provide a hybrid analysis using BCSR and the Sufficiency method. Magdoff does not support BCSR and wishes it would just go away. My impression is that Magdoff sees BCSR as an method used by the fertilizer industry. For example, he is uncomfortable with a company that provides a soil test and fertilizer recommdation at the same time (such as most of the eco-farming labs associated with Acres, USA conference workshops). That is where I don't see eye to eye with Magdoff, though I respect his work immensely. He is the author of Building Soils for Better Crops, he developed the soil-nitrate test for sweet corn, and he is soil scientist working in sustainable agriculture. But he is from the university environment and I am from the non-profit/farmer environment. In my experience, the eco-farming labs and crop advisors do offer valueable insights, recommendations, and fertilizer products. And since farmers ask for this informtaion, we did compile a list of alternative soil testing labs. Alternative Soil Testing Laboratories http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/soil-lab.html What I find most helpful from Mark Schonbeck's work is the literature review of the body of work from Albrecht and BCSR, the summary of the concepts and technology behind BCSR, and the findings that not all soils and plant systems respond positively to BCSR. As an aside, my own research on Albrecht and BCSR is extensive, and my resource collection and literature citation list was supplied to Schonbeck for his initial research. Working on the OFRF and
ADMIN: Re: Hydoponic BD
I await anxiously your emails :-) bob SLF Bob - Biodynamics is a system. Unlike factory-oriented approaches, biodynamics cannot be 'parted out,' so, if you want to use a biodynamic element as a tool in your hydroponics operation, well, you still ain't doing biodynamics and there ain't any real reason to discuss what it is that you are doing on this list. Further more, I should hasten to add, many people would argue that biodynamics begins with the soil, so, you probably aren't ever going to be doing biodynamics in your hydroponics operation and there ain't a lot of reason to discuss what it is that you are doing on this list. OK? Thanks -Allan Balliett moderator BD Now!
Re: Hydoponic BD
Bob; The silence that greeted your enquiry was probably due to the perception that hydroponics is as far away from BD as you can get, introducing BD tools to hydroponics I would regard as a misuse of BD. Everyone to their own game, I wish you well. David C - Original Message - From: panamabob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: Hydoponic BD I await anxiously your emails :-) bob SLF - Original Message - From: Rambler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 4:12 PM Subject: Hydoponic BD Hi Panama Bob My question is if BD may possibly be integrated into a production system that sprays cold nutrients onto roots or is soil temperature need to be at certain level to encourage micro organisms activity which produce the added umph to plant health Would it be possible to make a nutrient liquid mix leached out of a compost bed that utilized the micro organism activity? Yes While am am not a hydoponics grower I am familiar with what you are doing. I have some ideas how to make this work. I use foliar spraying as a rescue method to over come a serious nutrient imbalance on an all year round cut foliage nursery under plastic. A combination of liquid teas,sequential spraying,and potentised preps is what i have in mind. It would not be able to be certified as organic but certainly would get you away from growing waterfilled chemical food that tastes like crap. The higher than normal brix levels intrigue me, and the subsequent natural defense against parasites This is an area that really does interest me also. It ties in with Hugh Lovels idea of growing corn as a suppler of nutrients to the soil. Also with DR Carey Reams work as written by Dan Skow in 'MainLIne Farming for the 21st Centary and William Albrect work The Albrect Papers vol 1-4 and Weeds with Poisons written by Charles Walter . They all refer to achieving high brix levels to ward of insects and for weed control. Any way when i have cleared my backlog of work[it has rained on 17 days this month and it is the middle of summer for us]I will post you my thoughts. Seasons geeeting and blessing to the new year. Cheers Tony Robinson New Zealand
Re: Albrecht System for soil testing and fertilisation
Thanks to Steve Diver for these excellent sites about Soil balancing. I like Mark Schonbeck's careful approach to spending money on soil amendments and his explanations of soil chemistry are very good and easy to read Soil Cation Nutrient Balancing in Sustainable Agriculture: Missing Link, or Red Herring? By Mark Schonbeck, VABF Information Sheet http://www.vabf.f2s.com/soilre1.php Does my Soil Need Cation Nutrient Balancing?: A practical guide to balanced nutrition for soil and crops By Mark Schonbeck, VABF Information Sheet http://www.vabf.f2s.com/soilre2.php How to Use a Soil Test By Mark Schonbeck, VABF Information Sheet http://www.vabf.f2s.com/soilre3.php Soil Nutrient Balancing in Sustainable Vegetable Production By Mark Schonbeck, VABF Results of 2000 season field trials, and evaluation of the first three years. A Final Report submitted to the Organic Farming Research Foundation, December 2000 http://www.vabf.f2s.com/soilresum.php . The point is, that BCSR is not a be all, end all soil fertility management scheme for farmers in all locations. Steve Diver Thanks Steve these are good references applicable to a wide spectrum of farmers there are three points the I would question Mark Schonbeck on 1-a sandy tidewater soil where gypsum was used to improve calcium levels??? and an adverse reaction occurred - this would be the expected result according to the albrecht consultants I know !! 2- he says single larger applications of lime are more economically sensible - why? This is not biologically sensible 3- there is still a strong perception (in his articles) that soil testing and amendment for pH correction is good practice. pH is the RESULT of what is going on in a soil not the cause of it. Lloyd Charles
Re: 3 Kings Prep Q?
My Mother my partner and I have just started reading through a book compiled by Ernst Hagamann and translated into English by Harold Jurgens. Title:- WORLD ETHER--ELEMNTAL BEINGS -- KINGDOMS OF NATURE. ISBN 0-929979-31-1. Publisher Mercury Press, Spring Valley. copyright 1993. As many of Steiner's references to the elemental beings as Ernst has been able to find have been brought together in one book. We are finding it very interesting and helpfull. Warm Greetings from the land where the Three Kings Festival is celebrated in mid summer. Peter. - Original Message - From: Moen Creek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BDNow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:32 AM Subject: Re: 3 Kings Prep Q? Dear Compatriots in Spiritual Rebirthing of Farming, I have seen from the wonderful post from Peter Woody Barbara that I failed to flesh out fully my Q's of connecting with the Elementals. Though as with most thing, I learned tremendous amounts from the answers you gave to the questions as they were written to you. In attempting to open communications with the Salamanders, Undines, Sylphs. I was unprepared with the muteness. As some unnamed writer on a web site put it. The Elementals have a definite purpose and a definite will, but their personalities are not clearly defined. You can't sit down and have a conversation with them. Other nature spirits yes - but the Elementals work on feelings, sensations, and symbolism. They are not a being in the same way other faeries are. They are forces of nature and do not have a definite form. They are more like a form of living energy than anything else. An energy with a will, that can display emotions without being emotional, and that is constantly changing. They can be of tremendous aid, but only if you approach them properly. This is still unclear to me. I have conversed with the North Wind and Quarks. It's often slow going may take time but communication lines do come open and stay fairly well established. Now on top of this SStorch sent a post shortly after 9-11 pertaining to information he had the a lot of Elementals up and left the planet. In checking on this, my informants put it as Yes lots of Elementals who worked in cities moved to Jupiter. In looking for the whys of this one of my closest Devas was not in communication. Wow what kind of exodus was going on? Well a few days later she was available and stated something to the effect that she had been off recruiting on other world/planets Being to do this work in the cities. In a Radionic based prayer/work circle a group of us did a round robin balancing to help these folks get use to this Et. I thought all was clear till checking-in in preparation to do the 3 King work. Whola I hear that there is a huge group of new Elementals and no information as to where they are from. Still don't know. I have excepted the assurance of writers other compatriots that things are as they should be. I am setting off with this trust. I'm learning that that the smile in the fire, the wink from the dish water may be all the communication line needed from the Elementals for the 3 Kings Prep do it's work and in the itself is the safety for us all. I will be Radionicly embedding 53-28 12-22 (Gods Love Universal Light) and several other safety rates into my prep on Sunday during the stirring. As to my own growth from looking at this I do see how Mar's Pluto's opposition would bring Trust Boundary issues to the forefront. I am slowly using Chrions travels in Capricorn to deal with very well aged issues with the angelic kingdoms. I guess it is good to start at the beginning. If the journey till Dec of 2005 when Chrion changes signs apparently will be a long one, it's about time (sic). I do want to write a few thing as to why there are boundary issues in working with non-coporals as there are with coporals. In my experience there are many effects affects from Implants, Activated Shells, Possessions, Dark Forces etc. Creating Sacred Space and filling it with Light Love are powerful tools. But there are several Universal Laws that are broken everyday. Slaves are made, all sorts of Beings work health are disrupted and smashed. As general rule if you ask for a name and none is forth coming, I suggest, you ask why? In closing I am at a loss which Captain Beef Heart quote to pick : Oh Man its so Heavy or she To Much for my or anybody's Mirror. I have to with Dickens God bless us everyone. In Love Light Markess
Photo Gallery: Planting Bed Spader Machine @ Shinbone Valley F
Allan - We talked about the handout featuring the planting beds and tractor-spader combination used by Ed Kogelschatz at Shinbone Valley Farm, a biodynamic farm in Georgia. That handout is now located on my web page, Rhizosphere II. This is an MS-Word .doc, so you just click and download to your computer for viewing as a word processing document with photographs and text. Photo Gallery: Planting Beds Spading Machine at Shinbone Valley Farm [MS-Word.doc download; 10 pages with 18 photos; an Ed Kogelschatz and George Kuepper handout] http://ncatark.uark.edu/~steved/shinbone-farm.doc George Kuepper will have a new, expanded handout at the Southern SAWG meetings coming up in Chattannooga, January 25-27th. Ed and Ginger Kogelschatz' farm will again be featured at the field day. The participants at last year's field day said it was one of the best they'd attended. The Kogelschatz farm speaks for itself, complemented by the fact that Ed and Ginger are wonderful people. It was fascinating to listen to Ed describe his BD compost, and the tractor + spader + cover crops + modified brush-hog + planting bed system, etc., including the elusive yet certain quality of vegetables and herbs they produce. Southern Sustainable Agriculture Working Group - 2002 Conference http://www.attra.org/ssawg/ Field Trips http://www.attra.org/ssawg/fieldtrips.html Steve Diver
Re: Hydoponic BD
Like I said brother, everyone to his own game and everyone else is entitled to his opinion of that game. My opinion is that hydroponics is chemical farming at it's worst. Who is John Mellancamp? David C - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2002 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Hydoponic BD I disagree. Use bd wherever you can. A barrel compost made with 500-508 would be an excellent hydroponic tool. This summer I intend to spray the preps on a body of water from my boat to heal the abuse the bay has taken. Like John Mellancamp says, It's what you do and not what you say, if you're not part of the future then get out of the way There is no one on this list that is so friggin' smart that they should discourage anyone from trying anything new. SStorch
Re: Hydoponic BD 2
Sorry to have misinterpreted you words Bob, I in fact use the cooler earth system but I just call it mulching. How's that for frigging smart Storchy? David C - Original Message - From: panamabob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Hydoponic BD 2 perhaps I should start again and see if I can word the procedure better... I am simplifying here, so bare with me :-) As I understand it, plants are basically a thermo engine, using warm leaves evaporating moisture to create the sucking to pull up the nutrients absorbed by the cooler roots. The greater the temperature difference (delta T) between roots and leaves, the more sucking there is. The more nutrients the plant can ingest, the healthier the plant. A brix reading of the plant seems to bare this out. The higher the brix, the healthier the plant seems to be...the healthier the plant the more umph its product have ( fruit, flowerettes, leaves, etc). It seems that the higher the health level of the plant is, the less disease, parasites etc. it has. Essentially disease , bugs etc. attack low health plants to make way for better plants; thats there job. SO to minimize these detriments all you have to do is have a basic well nourished plant. Most plants seem to have the greatest spurts of growth in Springtime when soil is still relkatively cool and the Sun is warming the young leaves. So it would seem that duplicating this condition, i.e. warm leaves and cool roots, would help maximize the plants ability to use nutrients and grow. Experimentation has proven out that this does indeed work. Concern then would be to enrich the soil so that the plants can get the maximum nutrients without running out of gas so to speak. Herein lies my interest in what BD may do. Since the procedure above is not chemical in nature, rather it utilizes the normal thermo dynamic process. Someone suggested or perhaps they miss understood the procedure I described thinking it was a hydroponic system. I of course was open to discuss this twist on the cold ag system I was familiar with and the concept of blending it with hydroponics. I appologize for seeming to be interested in a water process rather than earth process (which actually is NOT the case). I appreciate those in the group that have considered the hydroponics (even though I myself did not introduce that idea :-) My interest is to help assemble and desiminate a more sustainable and healthy method of agriculture for the tropical zones for improvement of the quality of life... as always curious of BD Bob SLF - Original Message - From: D S Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Hydoponic BD Hi Panama Bob My question is if BD may possibly be integrated into a production system that sprays cold nutrients onto roots or is soil temperature need to be at certain level to encourage micro organisms activity which produce the added umph to plant health Would it be possible to make a nutrient liquid mix leached out of a compost bed that utilized the micro organism activity? Yes While am am not a hydoponics grower I am familiar with what you are doing. I have some ideas how to make this work. I use foliar spraying as a rescue method to over come a serious nutrient imbalance on an all year round cut foliage nursery under plastic. A combination of liquid teas,sequential spraying,and potentised preps is what i have in mind. It would not be able to be certified as organic but certainly would get you away from growing waterfilled chemical food that tastes like crap. The higher than normal brix levels intrigue me, and the subsequent natural defense against parasites This is an area that really does interest me also. It ties in with Hugh Lovels idea of growing corn as a suppler of nutrients to the soil. Also with DR Carey Reams work as written by Dan Skow in 'MainLIne Farming for the 21st Centary and William Albrect work The Albrect Papers vol 1-4 and Weeds with Poisons written by Charles Walter . They all refer to achieving high brix levels to ward of insects and for weed control. Any way when i have cleared my backlog of work[it has rained on 17 days this month and it is the middle of summer for us]I will post you my thoughts. Seasons geeeting and blessing to the new year. Cheers Tony Robinson New Zealand
Re: Hydoponic BD
Like I said brother, everyone to his own game and everyone else is entitled to his opinion of that game. My opinion is that hydroponics is chemical farming at it's worst. Who is John Mellancamp? David C John Mellancamp was voted 'Artist of the Century' by MTV recently. If you've heard Dylan, Cohen, or Lennon, you can imagine how magnificent either Mellancamp or his promoters must be. Let's keep hydroponics in the closet where it belongs. -Allan
Re: Soil Foodweb Questions?
How are we to create a superior fungal-bacterial compost to spray on commercially worked farmland to improve and maintain a high level of fertility [shown by life in the soil???] SStorch
