OT (1) Fw: [biotech_activists] ProdiGene CEO is an advisor to USAID!

2002-11-19 Thread barrylia

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:35:21 -0600
Subject: [biotech_activists] ProdiGene CEO is an advisor to USAID!

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:58:40 -0500
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AgProfile interview with Anthony G. Laos

Anthony G. Laos, president and chief executive of ProdiGene, Inc.
was appointed by President George W. Bush to serve as a member of
the Board for International Food and Agriculture Development
(BIFAD). Mr. Laos will serve a four-year term, expiring on July 28,
2005.

BIFAD, which consists of seven members all appointed by the
President, provides advice to the Administrator of the United States
Agency for International Development (USAID) on international food
issues such as agriculture and food security. BIFAD also assists and
advises the U.S. Government Inter-Agency Working Group on Food
Security in carrying out commitments made in the U.S. Country Paper
for the November 1996 World Food Summit and on the Plan of Action
agreed to at the summit.

I am honored to be appointed to this position by President Bush,
Laos says.  I welcome the opportunity to work with my fellow
colleagues in promoting USAID policy and increasing world food
production.

ProdiGene, headquartered in College Station, TX, is a private
biotechnology company that is developing and manufacturing
industrial and pharmaceutical proteins from a transgenic plant
system.

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OT (2) Fw: [biotech_activists] Monbiot: THE COVERT BIOTECH WAR

2002-11-19 Thread barrylia

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Subject: [biotech_activists] Monbiot:  THE COVERT BIOTECH WAR

Biotech Activists ([EMAIL PROTECTED])Posted: 11/19/2002  By 
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,843103,00.html


The Guardian (London)  Tuesday November 19, 2002
by GEORGE MONBIOT

The  battle  to  put  a corporate GM padlock on our foodchain is being
fought on the net

The president of Zambia is wrong. Genetically modified food is not, as
far
as we know, poison. While adequate safety tests have still to be
conducted, there is as yet no compelling evidence that it is any worse
for
human health than conventional food. Given the choice with which the
people of Zambia are now faced - starvation and eating GM - I would eat
GM.

The real problem with engineered crops, as this column has been pointing
out for several years, is that they permit the big biotech companies to
place a padlock on the food chain. By patenting the genes and all the
technologies associated with them, the corporations are manoeuvring
themselves into a position from which they can exercise complete control
over what we eat. This has devastating implications for food security in
poorer countries.

This is the reason why these crops have been resisted so keenly by
campaigners.  The biotech companies have been experimenting with new
means
of overcoming their resistance.

Zambia, Zimbabwe and Malawi, all of which are suffering from the current
famine, have been told by the US international development agency, USAID,
that there is no option but to make use of GM crops from the United
States. This is simply untrue. Between now and March, the region will
need
up to 2m tonnes of emergency food aid in the form of grain.  The UN's
Food
and Agriculture Organisation says that there are 1.16m tonnes of
exportable maize in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda and South Africa.  Europe,
Brazil, India and China have surpluses and stockpiles running into many
tens of millions of tonnes. Even in the US, more than 50% of the harvest
has been kept GM-free. All the starving people in southern Africa,
Ethiopia and the world's other hungry regions could be fed without the
use
of a single genetically modified grain.

But the US is unique among major donors in that it gives its aid in kind,
rather than in cash. The others pay the world food programme, which then
buys supplies as locally as possible. This is cheaper and better for
local
economies. USAID, by contrast, insists on sending, where possible, only
its own grain.  As its website boasts, the principal beneficiary of
America's foreign assistance programs has always been the United States.
Close to 80% of the USAID contracts and grants go directly to American
firms. Foreign assistance programs have helped create major markets for
agricultural goods, created new markets for American industrial exports
and meant hundreds of thousands of jobs for Americans.

America's food aid programme provides a massive hidden subsidy to its
farmers. But, as a recent report by Greenpeace shows, they are not the
only beneficiaries. One of USAID's stated objectives is to integrate GM
into local food systems. Earlier this year, it launched a $100m
programme
for bringing biotechnology to developing countries. USAID's training
and awareness raising  programmes will, its website reveals, provide
companies such as Syngenta, Pioneer Hi-Bred and Monsanto  with
opportunities for technology transfer into the poor world.  Monsanto,
in
turn, provides financial support for USAID. The famine will permit USAID
to accelerate this strategy. It knows that some of the grain it exports
to
southern Africa will be planted by farmers for next year's harvest. Once
contamination is widespread, the governments of those nations will no
longer be able to sustain a ban on the technology.

All that stands in the way of these plans is the resistance of local
people and the protests of environment groups. For the past few years,
Monsanto has been working on that.

Six months ago, this column revealed that a fake citizen called Mary
Murphy had been bombarding internet listservers with messages denouncing
the scientists and environmentalists who were critical of GM crops.  The
computer from which some of these messages were sent belongs to a public
relations company called Bivings, which works for Monsanto.  The boss of
Bivings wrote to the Guardian, fiercely denying that his company had been
running covert campaigns. His head of online PR, however, admitted to the
BBC's Newsnight that one of the messages came from someone working for
Bivings  or clients using our services. But Bivings denies any
knowledge of the use of its computer for such a campaign.

This admission prompted the researcher Jonathan Matthews, who first
uncovered the story, to take another look at some of the emails which had
attracted his attention. He 

Re: Pleomorphism/Orthopathy

2002-11-19 Thread Roger Pye
James Hedley wrote:


I like your quote that the The Universe is infinite, therefore there are
infinite possibilities,
The possibilities are only in what we are capable of thinking, and then
believing what we think.
Do you think that it is possible that we are already living in this 
plane of
life bearing worlds which you have hypothesised.. Maybe it is possible 
that
we may be already highly evolved in the scheme of things. With our 
abilities
to think and rationalise it is just possible that any problem that we 
create
we are capable of solving.
Each generation is charged with the task of repairing the problems which
have been created by the previous generations.
The real problems are not caused by malevolent people, but by common
ordinary people committed to an ideal, whose actions sometimes turn out to
be irrational after the event.

At the risk of boring people by speaking about or quoting from a novel 
which has not been published and may never be, 'Earth's Companions' 
centres around a group of Earth people (the Chosen) of our era (the end 
and beginning of the 2nd and 3rd Millenniums) who have been traumatised 
in a variety of ways by life and who are brought together by unusual 
means to find a cure for one of their number who believes himself to be 
unable to procreate when in fact he is physically capable of so doing. 
This cure is needed because Manny and his wife Sylvia are the end 
results of a one thousand year natural selection breeding program which 
combines in them all the genetic qualities the immortal behind the plan 
thought would be needed to overcome the Monstrous Danger he believed the 
Earth would face in our time. Well, it IS a fantasy! Along the way, the 
Timeless One has been helped by scads of humans and other beings, 
substantial and insubstantial, from several planes of existence and 
planetary systems including the Hall of Clouds and the Inter-Galactic 
Federation. Helped 'within guidelines', that is, set down and monitored 
by the One Above and his/her Chief Executive.

The Chosen's Universe is rather dissimilar to our own (although in their 
own plane the Earth is identical barring a few fictitious places 
additional to the usual). For example, there is a shattered world 
(Thera) on a separate plane and a second species of the human race on 
yet another world (Brrron) in a third plane. The trick here is that the 
ancestors of the Brrronians originally occupied Thera and brought about 
its destruction. A handful of survivors somehow managed to find their 
way to Brrron; their descendants though technologically brilliant have 
zero empathetic qualities. Other than some members of the current 
generation who have been Changed (but you'd have to read the book to 
find out how :) )

It should be borne in mind that I wrote most of this novel seven years 
ago after I had been so traumatised by numerous pressures that during 
the course of one 24-hour period I lost my memory totally and began to 
recover it again. 'Recover' is not really the right word but I don't 
know what is. Over the next five months I did recover most of my memory 
(and since, I must say that) but not all, not by a long chalk, so now 
when I meet someone who remembers me but I don't remember them, I tell 
them very simply what happened. That is not a problem. Where I do run 
into difficulties is that I have memories and knowledge of people and 
events which I did not have before, which have no relation to what I did 
before. And skills. Like dowsing. Or even writing. Or having the courage 
to 'talk' to hundreds of people around the world, to say things that 
must appear outlandish to many; things which I believe must be said.

Going back to the novel, I would agree with James that we are living in 
a plane of many life-bearing worlds, but not that we are as highly 
evolved as we might like to be. Some of us, yes, but not enough, not 
yet. We need 14% or 15% of the world population, I think. Just a moment. 
No, I'm wrong, it's 12%. That percentage of people operating in tune 
with the higher consciousness (interpret that how you please) would 
bring Earth up to the recognition point. We need that, to be there, 
because I don't think we can defeat the Monstrous Danger by ourselves 
from down here (and I think most would agree that there is indeed an MD).

roger





Fw: [SANET-MG] Compost Tea and Organics

2002-11-19 Thread Frank Teuton

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From: Frank Teuton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group
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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] Compost Tea and Organics


 Dear Dr Benbrook:

 I appreciate the tone of your post.

 The problem as I see it, is that a task force on compost issues, including
 compost tea, was brought together that did not include any of the
advocates,
 advisors, or practitioners of compost tea making, specifically Dr Ingham
and
 some of the firms she works with.

 I don't pretend to understand the politics of who is in and who is out in
 creating these groups, but I do know that when you exclude a group of
 stakeholders from a process such as this, then issue a finding which
 undermines their work directly, the result is not likely to be a satisfied
 and happy bunch of campers.

 Any future body formed about the issues of compost tea should certainly
 include Dr Ingham or someone who can represent a similar viewpoint.
 Furthermore, the group should at least attempt to perform a literature
 review, and conduct a sampling of the various commercially produced
 products, for both positive and negative aspects.

 It should not be difficult to access the underlying research such a group
 relies on for its recommendations. Every effort should be made to be open,
 to receive and respond to comments, and to clearly state assumptions,
 research needs, opinions of various task force members, and the basis of
 recommendations and conclusions.

 It should also attempt to put these things into clear and simple language
so
 that farmers and other growers as well as consumers understand what is
 known, what is assumed, and what else needs to be done.

 Clearly, no one out there has a total, thoroughgoing understanding of all
 the details of microbial action in water, soil solution, phyllosphere,
 rhizosphere and solid state environments such as drier soils and
composting
 and vermicomposting environments. Our best researchers, of which Elaine
 Ingham is certainly one, admit that we are barely scratching the surface
in
 terms of knowing who all the actors are, and knowing exactly what each
does.

 But, as Russel Bulluck used to like to close his posts:

 The soil population is so complex that it manifestly cannot
 be dealt with as a whole with any detail by any one person,
 and at the same time it plays so important a part in the soil
 economy that it must be studied. 
 --Sir E. John Russell
 The Micro-organisms of the Soil, 1923

 Indeed in one of his pithier posts on a closely related topic, Russ lays
out
 the reality for us:

 Here's the good news and the bad news. . . The good news is that
pathogenic
 strains of enteric bacteria (such as the dreaded E. coli O157:H7) produce
 toxins that require a large energy output, and as such, these organisms
are
 not normally good competitors in the soil environment (being used to the
gut
 of cows, the bugs in the soil no longer have a constant and rich nutrient
 supply or constant and pleasant 37 degrees C temp). The bad news is that
 some
 enteric bacteria will likely be found in soil! We don't live in a sterile
 environment, but luckily, most of the bacteria in soil (and our food for
 that
 matter) are not harmful.


 Let me say this. . . the food that we eat (be it vegetable, mineral or
 animal)
 has bacteria on it or in it. That's right, our food has bacteria in it. .
.
 millions of bacteria. Our skin has bacteria on it, as well as fungi,
mites,
 some nematodes (likely as not), and other bugs that literally make your
skin
 crawl (does everyone feel a little itchy now?). Most bacteria and fungi
are
 not that bad. If they were bad, we'd not be here! 

 http://www.sare.org/htdocs/hypermail/html-home/43-html/0129.html

 I personally want organic food to be food grown in a living soil, with a
 full and active foodweb. That means, yes indeed, there will be millions of
 bacteria on it, of a large diversity, and fungi, and other stuff. That
 living food is what we all evolved on; it is what we have eaten for
 countless millennia.

 People who want or need sterile food should either not buy organic food
(or
 conventional food, either, for that matter) or they should cook the heck
out
 of everything.

 I think the big bugaboo on compost tea down at the NOSB is fear of 0157. I
 think every time 0157 is raised as an issue, it should be pointed out that
 the big breeders of this pathogen are the CAFOs, especially grainfed
cattle
 feedlots. It is true that such operations are sufficiently widespread that
 0157 could be on everyone's farm, and that suitable precautions should be
 taken; see for example:

 http://www.cog.ca/efgsummer2000.htm#ecoli

 But it is also true that if we really wanted to greatly reduce 0157 in the
 environment, we would stop the practice of grainfeeding ruminants. All the
 costs associated with this practice are now being borne by the larger
 society, including consumers, and 

FW: DIABETICS FISH OIL; IRON OVERLOAD

2002-11-19 Thread Jane Sherry
Title: FW: DIABETICS  FISH OIL; IRON OVERLOAD





Be Careful in Using Fish Oil if You are Diabetic 

There is considerable evidence showing the protective effect of dietary omega-3 fatty acids in the prevention of heart disease, especially in high-risk populations. Fish oils, which are high in fatty acids, improve high cholesterol, triglyceride levels, blood vessel and platelet function and lower blood pressure.

People with type 2 diabetes have an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, hypertension, high cholesterol, and insulin resistance. Therefore, an increased intake of omega-3 fatty acids may be of particular benefit for .

However, some recent trials suggest that fish oil could actually worsen diabetic control. In one study, the use of purified EPA and DHA (fatty acids found in fish oil) by diabetic patients was evaluated.

Participants took high doses (4 grams per day for a six-week period) of EPA, DHA or olive oil in addition to their regular diets. It was found that, compared with the olive oil, the EPA and DHA increased the blood sugar in diabetics. Interestingly, the insulin levels were not increased.

The researchers speculate that the EPA causes the liver to break it down and actually increase its production of glucose in the process.

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieveamp;db=PubMedamp;list_uids=12399272amp;dopt=Abstract , November 2002 Vol. 76, No. 5, 1007-1015

Dr. Mercola: My dad is 75 years old and has had type 2 diabetes for nearly 15 years. His diabetes has typically been well controlled with a low-carb diet and two hours of exercise a day.

I recommended fish oil http://www.mercola.com/forms/carlsons.htm for him as it typically is beneficial for diabetes.

Shortly after he started the fish oil, his blood sugar started rising uncontrollably, even up to 300. Of course, I thought he was cheating, but he hadn't gained any weight and was quite adamant that he was being faithful with his grain restriction.

My dad is not as obsessive as I am, and he still has a few grains occasionally, despite having diabetes.

However, when I read this study I realized instantly what had happened:

The Reverse Effect.

Omega-3 fish oil is terrific for most of us, but if we get too much it actually worsens our health. This is obviously what happened in my dad.

The take-home lesson here is that if you are diabetic you will want to monitor your sugar levels very carefully when you use fish oil, and you will need to lower or stop the fish oil if your blood sugar rises.

As an aside, I also checked my dad's ferritin level and was shocked to find that he had hemochromatosis. His level was 450, and he was seriously iron overloaded. It is likely that the high iron levels further impaired the beta cells in his pancreas, impairing his ability to even make insulin.

Fortunately we have a substance called phytic acid that can effectively chelate out iron from the body without the need for therapeutic phlebotomies.


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Re: YOU CAN'T MAKE ME TALK ABOUT E-COLI...

2002-11-19 Thread Jane Sherry
Go Will Winter! Great passionate post! I wanted to tell you that some
pagan's in fact foster Holistic views! The orgy (as I understand it) has
been the military-pharmaceutical-industrial complex's party, not the pagans!

Thanks for your post!
Jane Sherry

 From: Will Winter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:43:34 -0600
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: YOU CAN'T MAKE ME TALK ABOUT  E-COLI...
 
 The germs are just bit-players cleaning up in the aftermath
 of a pagan orgy. This is about THE LOSS OF THE HOLISTIC VIEW. 




Re: Thanks

2002-11-19 Thread Merla Barberie
Liz,

Your course program sounds wonderful.  What is name of it and where are you
taking it?  What all have you done?

Best,

Merla

Liz Davis wrote:

 Hi all

 Have finally lifted my head from finals and presentations.  How I went is
 still unsure, the soils paper was 3 hours and no easy task, especially the
 nutrition programs.  I'd like to say thanks to all of you, this link has
 been a large part of my learning, and a wonderful connection through a year
 which has been mostly conventional methods.  My BD units begin next year.

 Our last task of the year was to reflect on capability 7 'To have personal
 values, beliefs and ethics necessary for a sustainable and healthy planet'.
 There are 9 capabilities in total, set out by the uni.  These capabilities
 must be met before an eco ag student can graduate. A great way to finish the
 year, and reflect along with witnessing the transformation over the years,
 as it was taped.

 Now to do some trial plots of various soils and also some mulches and attend
 some workshops, such as Stoneage Farming and radionics.  How was it Tony,
 are you practising your dowsing?

 Thanks again
 LL
 Liz




Re: Help with burying horn

2002-11-19 Thread Merla Barberie
Christy,

We did the BC too last week.  Finally got some manure locally.  We dug a hole
in one of our French intensive broccoli beds that was high and put 10 fire
bricks (bigger than regular bricks) in an oval only 3 levels high.  We
potentized the manure with local basalt and eggshells I ground up in my
suribachi and two sets of preps, put it in the hole and covered with a piece of
plywood, then covered the whole area deeply with quaking aspen leaves I raked
up from the driveway.  Hope all is O.K.  It rained a bunch last night.  We're
having a warm spell.  A friend, Joe Clark, is lending me 14 horns.  I saved
some manure for them (I think I have enough) and hope to pick them up today.

I was feeling glad I had put the bentonite in the horn this morning since it
rained so much last night.  Wouldn't the horn just fill up with water?  Is that
a good thing?

Best,

Merla

The Korrows wrote:

 I might suggest packing soil around the horn with in the clay tile, and if
 you think the bricks might get scooted around, you could tie some nylon
 screen over each end, as is sometimes done with stinging nettle.

 I know Hugh C. doesn't seal the manure horns with bentonite (I believe he
 does seal the silica horns up), neither do I or, neither does Jeff.

 I got my first stag bladder of the year yesterday. My neighbor Ron rode over
 on his four wheeler, pistol at his side, rifle in the holder, and a big buck
 tied to the front , he zoomed up and dangled a little bladder in front of
 me. So I am slowly gettting these guys trained.

 I am so happy your a re burrying a horn Merla!!

 Christy
 




Re: Help with burying horn

2002-11-19 Thread Merla Barberie
Christy,

It really rained heavily all night last night and I was thinking that it was a
good thing I sealed that horn with bentonite.  Would it have filled up with
water and would that have been all right?

Last week, Green and I dug an oval hole in our tallest French intensive bed
which is in one of the warmest parts of the garden and put 10 fire bricks
(larger than regular bricks) three tiers high in it.  We potentized some local
manure with local basalt that my husband identified and I ground up 3 dozen
eggshells in my suribachi and put in two sets of compost preps, stirring the
valerian for 20 minutes.  We didn't quite fill up the hole because I held out
some manure to fill 14 horns that Joe Clarke is lending me.  I'll pick them up
today or tomorrow and get them in during this warm spell.  We covered the whole
area with quaking aspen leaves.

What ever happened with your video idea?

Best,

Merla

The Korrows wrote:

 I might suggest packing soil around the horn with in the clay tile, and if
 you think the bricks might get scooted around, you could tie some nylon
 screen over each end, as is sometimes done with stinging nettle.

 I know Hugh C. doesn't seal the manure horns with bentonite (I believe he
 does seal the silica horns up), neither do I or, neither does Jeff.

 I got my first stag bladder of the year yesterday. My neighbor Ron rode over
 on his four wheeler, pistol at his side, rifle in the holder, and a big buck
 tied to the front , he zoomed up and dangled a little bladder in front of
 me. So I am slowly gettting these guys trained.

 I am so happy your a re burrying a horn Merla!!

 Christy
 




was Thanks now Eco Ag

2002-11-19 Thread Liz Davis
on 20/11/02 4:25 AM, Merla Barberie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Liz,
 
 Your course program sounds wonderful.  What is name of it and where are you
 taking it?  What all have you done?
 
 Best,
 
 Merla

Hi Merla.

The course is Ecological Agriculture, Orange Campus of University of Sydney.
(3 hrs west of Sydney) A very small and intimate campus where lecturers know
your name.

In first year I have taken intorduction to Ecological Agriculture, which is
a wonderful journey through agricultural history and thinking, everything
from hunter gatherers to Des Cartes, Rachel Carson and Australia's stance on
Ecological Sustainable Development opposed to the rest of the worlds stance
of Environmental Sustainable Development.  The Biological Environment, Plant
Systems and Introduction to Management were all first semester and core
units. The management unit far surpassed all expectations, a journey of the
self, values, paradigms, working with others along with critical thinking,
mind mapping and lots of other tools.  A farm mentor was also a part of
management and was great learning.

Second semester consisted of one core unit - Soil Resource Management.
Habitat Management which includes everything from vegetation classification,
mammal and invertebrate trapping, conservation classification, contour 
habitat mapping.  Financial Analysis  planning fulfilled part of the
business aspect, learnt how to do the basic accounting, DSE's along with
gross margins and ratios of crop and livestock enterprises. (have cut back
to 3 units a semester to better enable me to live closer to my beliefs)
Other options are Environmental Law, People, Policy and the Environment,
Geology  Geomorphology, Marketing and many more.

The majority of first year has a conventional slant, which was hard for me
to swallow at first, but I soon let go and opened my thinking and heart and
am now very happy I have a better understanding of what conventional farmers
are up against.

Second year begins end of Feb and will consist of Managing Yourself 
Others, Organic Ag, Soil Conservation  Land Rehabilitation, Managing Change
(Inquiry Tools), Applied Ecology, Whole Farm Management and Bio Dynamics.

A 3 year degree, but many of us think we will take it to a 4 yr.  The 9
capabilities are presented to an independent panel at the completion of the
degree and must be met before graduating.  Would be happy to copy these out
if you are interested in the capabilities.  To me it is an essential aspect
as it means, learning is not only from the head, but also the hands and
heart. A way of life.

LL
Liz



   




Re: Drought

2002-11-19 Thread Lloyd Charles
Hi James

  It seems that now famous quote of mine about 75% needs to be qualified a
 bit.
No need for that at all and hey I did say I thought you were better than
75%!
 You have attended one of my dowsing and radionics courses and have seen
the
 range of knowledge that you are able to divineby just knowing how to let
go
 of what seems to be the logical result
And a very interesting and enjoyable experience it was too - however I did
not feel any pressing need to throw my refractometer and pH meter in the
creek on the way home either. All of these things are tools,dowsing and
radionics included, and if we fixate on one of them to the exclusion of
other useful things, then I think we are on a wrong road. You've just shown
Roger dowsing and he is gonna fly with it - thats great -does'nt mean though
that that is the only way - what about those that don't yet do it that
well? - what about those S - T - R - A - N - G - E individuals like me that
are quite happy and comfortable with dowsing (and I do OK with it too) and
radionics, but still like to read the numbers on a conventional soil test,
and measure things with instruments, OK I know - a whole bunch of people are
gonna say thats using a crutch -  he's not game to go the last few steps to
freedom or whatever. I dont see it that way and being the stubborn sod that
I am, probably never will.

  If you can correctly foretell  the answers to
 75% of the questions that derive from this short list you would be miles
 in front of your neighbours.

What I said was 'when I start spending for a cash grain crop' - poor choice
of words - but there had been some correspondence around foliar spraying and
in that light - 75% is not gonna cut it - specially when using  a
refractometer will take that into high nineties. I just dont see why this
has to be an either / or situation - to me there is plenty of room to
combine the best of both ideas.
 The one thing that I cant dowse is a foolproof method to make it rain.
I guess we will just have to disagree on this - I reckon if Hugh Lovel
thinks he knows how to do this then we are mad if we dont at least hear what
he's got to say - but again we dont have to fixate on one thing - we use the
kites too - and we use JP's nutritional tactics to make better use of what
rain we get
 However I dowse that if I put Muriel Morrison'.s radionic kites  around
the
 boundary to keep the energies in the chances of getting a dry year on our
 mountain is 30% and for Narrandera it is 20%.
 I will send you the design for these kites which I obtained from Gil
Thanks I would be very pleased to try these -
Cheers
Lloyd Charles





Re: What is Magic?

2002-11-19 Thread Lloyd Charles

Dear  Hugh
   We have Cheryl working on this and I am really looking
forward to your visit if it can be organised - so we'll keep our fingers
crossed - she usually manages to get things to happen. I would have thought
you'd get a group in Santa Fe easy - maybe the title scared them off?

(from your reply to Michelle). As for
 rainmaking, if anyone can put together a class, I'd like to see at least
 30 attendees and go two days.
 One of the frustrations I feel is that most people are so plugged into
 advertising and the pictures and totally engineered sales pitches in the
 major farm magazines. The corn you showed me from in the past compared to
the
 recent higher quality shows the true story, while, as you say the elevator
 doesn't pay any extra for the quality. That's pretty discouraging, knowing
 that if you grow responsibly you don't get(m)any breaks.

I have been heartened by the fact that out here several animal feeder
operations are
sniffing around - looking to source grain grown on re mineralised soil
programs at a bit of a premium - this is outside of organic certified -
these feedlot operations keep meticulous records and do their sums and
aparently have found that they are getting a better result for less grain -
they are sharks for sure and are not doing this out of any sense of moral
responsibility.

 We've got the  tools. Our homeopathic remedies and means for applying them
  are good enough  already, though they may improve. We can create the
 conditions in  virtually any soils to fix nitrogen out of the air and
dispense with
 nitrogen fertilizers.

The 'how to  of this would make a good after dinner discussion for February
in Aus!

-- it is a win to
 KNOW we can do a different agriculture with homeopathics and radionics,
 despite the fact that the market doesn't give us much advantage. Our
slight
 advantage is that we know we can  get our nitrogen out of the air and can
 make rain in timely fashion.

I am really looking forward to learning more of this

Cheers
Lloyd Charles





FW: Organic Beef Scam in New York City

2002-11-19 Thread Jane Sherry



If you can't trust your heath food store, who can you trust?

From:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11182002/news/regionalnews/62362.htm

'ORGANIC' BEEF SCAM
By JEANE MacINTOSH  MATTHEW McDERMOTT

Store owner Helen Burgess

November 18, 2002 -- The upscale organic-food chain Healthy Pleasures has
been scamming customers by repackaging conventional meat and passing it off
as organic and natural, a Post investigation has found.

The chain has been relabeling beef at its three Manhattan stores, according
to current and ex-employees and industry insiders, gouging customers by
several dollars per pound on some cuts.

People trust them to sell them a superior product, and that is just not
happening, said one source, who asked to remain anonymous. The beef is
marked 'natural' and 'organic,' and often that simply isn't the case.

Organic meat producers are prohibited by the USDA from using hormones,
pesticides and antibiotics in the raising of farm animals. Natural meat must
be minimally processed and contain no artificial ingredients, according to
USDA rules.

Healthy Pleasures owner Helen Burgess and chain manager Omar Bashar contend
their meat business is legit.

But after being asked about The Post's findings, Bashar and two store
workers surrounded a Post photographer on the street and wrestled a camera
from his hands. His photos were destroyed, and the three men were charged
with felony robbery, criminal mischief and criminal possession of stolen
property.

The Post's probe found:

* Current and former workers have been instructed to remove meat purchased
from IBP - a nationwide producer of conventional beef that doesn't handle
organic or natural products - from bulk packaging and put it in butcher
display cases with organic and natural labels.

We would open the boxes, take the meat from the bulk bags and carry it
upstairs on a lug, said a former employee. Then we would put it in the
case and stick the natural and organic signs on it. We were told never to
take IBP boxes up to the selling floor, where customers might see them.

* The University Place store gets frequent deliveries from IBP, though
manager Bashar said the chain offers only a very minimal amount of
conventional beef and only when natural or organic product isn't
available.

Last Wednesday, there was one cut of conventional beef for sale at
University Place - a roast - compared with three rows of organic and natural
beef. On other visits to all three stores during a three-week period, The
Post saw only one other cut of conventional beef for sale.

Following the delivery of a number of large IBP boxes to University Place
witnessed by The Post last week, a reporter placed three calls to Bashar
seeking comment. He did not return them.

* The manager of the meat department at the University Place store said the
store buys its entire supply of organic and natural meat from ES, a top
Meat Packing District distributor. But ES owner Evan Wexler said he sells
a small amount of organic meat to Healthy Pleasure and that its most
recent delivery was Oct. 8. ES does not carry natural beef.

Bashar refuted his manager's account, saying the chain bought all its beef
from Alberts Organic and Green Circle, not mentioning IBP. Some of my
employees are new and don't know the product, he said.

* Less than an hour after speaking with The Post Wednesday, Bashar called in
large orders for organic and natural meat from Alberts Organic and Green
Circle, the organic meat producer used by many of the city's top restaurants
and food stores.

Reps for both firms confirmed that Bashar placed calls late Wednesday asking
for large quantities of organic and natural beef to be delivered the next
day. They were scrambling to get their house in order, one insider said.

Organic and natural beef fetches top dollar from health-conscious food
shoppers, but prices for such meat at Healthy Pleasures are significantly
lower than at competing stores.

For example, organic rib-eye steaks at Healthy Pleasures were being sold for
$10.99 per pound last Tuesday.

At Citarella, they were $23.99 per pound. At Gourmet Garage, natural
rib-eyes sold for $14.99 per pound. Conventional rib-eyes at supermarkets
ranged from $8.99 to $10.99

They are selling their organic and natural beef often for less than most of
us can buy it for, said one competitor.

A Department of Agriculture and Markets spokeswoman said the agency has had
no complaints against Healthy Pleasures involving meat labeling or
packaging. Fraudulent mislabeling of meat can carry tens of thousands of
dollars in potential fines.

Approached at her University Place office Wednesday, Burgess declined to
comment and referred all questions to Bashar, who sat for an interview and
gave a store tour.

Whoever is telling you these things must be disgruntled - because it's not
true, Bashar said. He insisted meat in his butcher cases was not mislabeled
and offered to provide inventory invoices as proof.

But Bashar never supplied the invoices 

irradiated meat

2002-11-19 Thread Leigh Hauter
This is from Public Citizen.  I went into our local Giant this 
weekend and there it was in its little plastic box -irradiated ground 
meat,  along with a brochure telling just how wholesome food is that 
has been 'cold pasteurized'.

Yum-yum.

Except the meat had a very strange color to it,  though the brochure 
did assure me that the color of meat doesn't reflect its taste, 
nutrition of safety.  I wasn't inclined to buy any of the stuff to 
see if their claims were true.

Public Citizen's fact sheet doesn't say it but one of the real 
reasons the meat industry is turning to irradiation (besides to 
increase shelf life) is to cover up the unsanitary nature of factory 
farms and their associated fast moving factory type slaughterhouses 
and processing plants.

(from Public Citizen)
Giant Food Inc. is the first supermarket chain in the DC area to 
carry irradiated ground beef. They attempt to calm consumer anxiety 
about irradiation, but despite their marketing claims, consumers 
should be wary.

Facts on Irradiation
** Irradiation exposes food to a dose of ionizing radiation that is 
equivalent to millions of chest x-rays.
** Irradiation destroys vitamins, essential fatty acids and other 
nutrients in food.
** Irradiation disrupts the chemical composition of everything - not 
just harmful bacteria.  It creates chemicals called radiolytic 
products that do not occur naturally in food and that the FDA has 
never studied for safety.
** Research dating to the 1950s has revealed a wide range of problems 
in animals that ate irradiated food, including premature death, a 
rare form of cancer, stillbirths, genetic damage, organ malfunctions, 
low weight gain and vitamin deficiencies.
** Irradiation can kill most bacteria in food, but does not remove 
the feces and other filth that carries this bacteria, thereby masking 
and encouraging filthy conditions in slaughterhouses and food 
processing plants.

What Can You Do?
** Vote with your food dollars - don't buy irradiated ground beef!
** Write to Giant and tell them to stop carrying irradiated meat and 
keep imported irradiated fruits and vegetables off their shelves! 
(for a sample letter go to 
http://www.citizen.org/cmep/foodsafety/food_irrad/articles.cfm?ID=8367 
)
** Call 888-4-MyGiant (DC, MD, VA) or 888-MySuperG (DE, NJ) to voice 
your views.
** Write a letter to the editor explaining the problems with irradiated food!
** Flyer at a local store to raise awareness in your community! 
(contact Public Citizen at 202-546-4996 for flyers)