Re: Personal Security / Insecurity
Dear Roger, It is funny how small things and chance encounters can change our lives forever. Your trip to the organic conference seems to be one of those which are there for everyone. For me it has been trying to understand the logic and reasoning behind the current debate on the list about lurkers and active members I suppose that under the current terms of reference of dividing the membership into lurkers and non lurkers, or people who we need to be fearful of and those we dont need to be fearful of, because I do not contribute in the same amount as say Steve Storch or Lloyd Charles or whoever makes me a lurker and not as worthwhile a contributor as someone else. Is Hugh Lovel regared as a lurker because he conducts a watching brief on what is going on through the list. Would you classify Greg Willis as a lurker? Would you categorise Steve Diver as a lurker even although the information which he gives is spasmodic? How many times a year must a person contribute to the list to remain on it and not be considered as a lurker. Closer to home, the Education and Workshops officer of BACA Cheryl Kemp replies to mailings when she is able to supply valuable input that is able to help at the time. Sometimes she can go for months without commenting on any mailings. Does that make her contributions any less valuable? To categorise a list member on the basis of how much they contribute and what they say demeans the value of any contribution to the list. Many times mailings that go through the list are only of particular benefit to those who need to supply or obtain information. in many instances they are only of use to contributors in the US. The choice of whether to respond, or not respond should not be conditioned by whether you have been sitting on the periphery of the list as a lurker (so called), or you are a regular contributor Your statement to forget the science where Biodynamic Agriculture is concerned I hope is a little tongue in cheek, otherwise why would we be trying to develop new insights into the use of BD preps. As far as I know there has not been a great body of research work done on the use of 501 to support the action of weed peppers. It seems that Lloyd keeps on with the same message on his weed control methods without very much comment or discussion of the pro's and con's of his methods. How much commentary has there been from American farmers in the use of 501 to release locked up Phosphorus in the soil. Just a brief note to ensure that my name does not go on the official BDnow lurkers list. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Personal Security / Insecurity Allan Balliett wrote: As you know, we are postulating a spiritual science here that operates beyond the perceptions of orthodox science. It is very very difficult to create a proof of our system within a lesser system. Having experienced the power of biodynamics in food and in soil, I have no need to 'prove it' to anyone. Having seen 'organic trials' conducted at the local ag research center, I have not hope for a proof of biodynamics under those circumstances. *** An unknown length of time ago a man on the road to Damascus was struck blind by an angel of the Lord. When he recovered his 'sight' he found himself going somewhere else with a new name and purpose in life. Allegorical probably but that is how the Bible tells the story of Saul of Tarsus which is explainable on a spiritual level but scientifically? No way. On a day in the year 2001 AD, a non-farmer, a person whose sum-total knowledge of agriculture acquired over 50+ years could be written in large print on a single sheet of paper, walked on to a grazing property not far from Canberra Australia and said This will make your grass grow beyond belief, and dropped a small packet of granulated brown substance into the farmer's hand. And at the visitor's explanation to his questions, the farmer's eyes grew wide with disbelief. But fortunately he had a sense of humour and, more importantly, a mind open enough to 'give it a go'. Now he has the best grass in the district and he delights in telling everyone how it got that way. BD is not orthodox science or spiritual science or any sort of science, it is traditional (or cultural or old if you like) knowledge coupled with the insights of Rudolf Steiner (and, since, others) and it is attitudinal. If any person were to accept for just one moment that humankind is a part or a component of the environment and not its lord and master, that everything we think or do has an effect on the environment, and that every other part of the environment has an effect on us, his or her life would change for ever. I do mean 'for ever', not just this life. NZ after attending the Organics 2001I cannot claim that the angel of the Lord appeared to me and said Roger, henceforth your
Where is Hugh Lovel ?
Does anyone know where Hugh Lovel is at present - I need to make some arrangements with him re interviews etc in preparation for his trip to Australia. If he is at a Conference or something - if I could have a phone number where to connect with him please, MAny thanks Cheryl, Cheryl KempEducation and Workshop CoordinatorBiodynamic AgriCulture AustraliaPhone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]web: www.biodynamics.net.au
Re: Leigh: What makes a successful CSA operator?
Allan, How about --- I have happy subscribers. And I'm happy doing what I'm doing. I feel good about my farming practices, and my subscribers do to (at least that's what they tell me). Even the people who do not renew these days tell me how much they liked the program (but as you know, as CSA is not for everyone -or even for half the people), I have a good relationship with a large core of my subscribers. They like me and I like them. I produce a remarkable amount of wholesome food in a sustainable manner on land that most people would think was not good farmland. I feel reasonably at peace with my environment (though the ever encroaching city is a problem). With the addition of a Great Pyrenees into our family the deer have decided that it is not worth the risk involved in eating our vegetables. The longer I do it, farm, the less stressed I am. I get 4 months off in the winter to pursue my other interests. The people that help me farm get paid a liveable wage. More than they would get paid doing similar work. I don't feel I'm exploiting people (I did when I used interns). In other words, I live a lifestyle that is comfortable, doing what is basically good. Without exploiting others or being exploited myself. I think you get the gist. I'm supposed to talk about this very subject for half an hour at the future harvest conference tonight up in Hagerstown.
Re: Where is Hugh Lovel ?
CHERYL - I heard that he is in Hawaii right now. I have no other details. -Allan
Re: BD Now! Audio Files
Allan, Hugh Lovel's excellent 3-hr. presentation at the Guelph Organic conference a couple years ago was professionally recorded and sold at the conference. I believe he retained a copy. Of course it's up to him whether he feels it appropriate to fwd to you.(or to copy). It was interspersed during one session with some references to his concurrent slideshow, but the wealth of his accessible verbal info would outweigh those non-visual factors. .manfred That sounds GREAT, manfred! -Allan
Re: Leigh: What makes a successful CSA operator?
I'm supposed to talk about this very subject for half an hour at the future harvest conference tonight up in Hagerstown. That's why I asked,Leigh, to keep you on your game! ;-) I still don't understand why you feel that the intern system is exploitive? (Oops! Maybe you, like I sometime do, feel that it is exploitive of the farm and the farmer!) Don't you think there is a fair exchange when you actually pay someone to demonstrate to them for a season how to get into the good life that you have outlined above? On a different topic: Dr. jim Duke is speaking at the same conference on 'making money with medicinals' or something like that. Since I know that the money for medicinal herbs has moved off the coast and the American organic farmers who essentailly created the herbal renaissance were essentially pushed out of the market place by cheap imported herbs the year after the boom started, I wondered what in the world he had to tell mid-atlantic growers. I contacted him and the answer is MEDICINAL MUSHROOMS, there is a growing, accessible, market for medicinal mushrooms!! For more details, one will have to attend the Hagerstown conference this weekend. Or wait for Leigh to tell us all about it! Thanks for the good news, Leigh. ;-) -Allan
Re: Leigh: What makes a successful CSA operator?
I still don't understand why you feel that the intern system is exploitive? (Oops! Maybe you, like I sometime do, feel that it is exploitive of the farm and the farmer!) Don't you think there is a fair exchange when you actually pay someone to demonstrate to them for a season how to get into the good life that you have outlined above? You know, Allan, you are probably right. It's just not a model I enjoy. I've seen CSA's who have their interns out there living in tents, expecting 60 hours a week from them, and then not fairly paying them for their labor. But then, on the other hand, when we had interns on our farm, I could never work our interns like that and while the interns were generally good people (some weren't) the amount and quality of work I got wasn't satisfactory. I guess I'm just locked into the concept and model of a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. I want workers who come to work expecting to work, and expecting to get paid fairly for their work.
Re: Leigh: What makes a successful CSA operator?
Leigh, Could you tell us how much you pay and how much you charge? thanks, daniel - Original Message - From: Leigh Hauter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:26 AM Subject: Re: Leigh: What makes a successful CSA operator? I still don't understand why you feel that the intern system is exploitive? (Oops! Maybe you, like I sometime do, feel that it is exploitive of the farm and the farmer!) Don't you think there is a fair exchange when you actually pay someone to demonstrate to them for a season how to get into the good life that you have outlined above? You know, Allan, you are probably right. It's just not a model I enjoy. I've seen CSA's who have their interns out there living in tents, expecting 60 hours a week from them, and then not fairly paying them for their labor. But then, on the other hand, when we had interns on our farm, I could never work our interns like that and while the interns were generally good people (some weren't) the amount and quality of work I got wasn't satisfactory. I guess I'm just locked into the concept and model of a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. I want workers who come to work expecting to work, and expecting to get paid fairly for their work.
Re: [globalnews] Jesus 'healed using cannabis'
FW: [globalnews] Jesus 'healed using cannabis'What a load of BS. These people have no understanding of spiritual life or a real spiritual expierence. Daniel Don't sound so pious, there, Falwell. While they may have blown their story out of proportions due to their interests, there is definitely some truth to parts of it. Gnostics, for one, definitely would use heavily. And there are many Sufi, Hindu, and Taoist who use. And, more close to this list, while they are not my favorite bunch, the OTO (of whom RS was once a secretary) heavily uses hash in their rituals. Use - don't use. Orthodox - mystical. Left hand - right hand. They are all there, why do you sound threatened. Chris __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [globalnews] Jesus 'healed using cannabis'
Well, roll away the stone, eh? Don't sound so pious, there, Falwell. While they may have blown their story out of proportions due to their interests, there is definitely some truth to parts of it. Gnostics, for one, definitely would use heavily. And there are many Sufi, Hindu, and Taoist who use. Although it was commonly stated in the 60's that yoga and trantra were ways ecstatic states that do not rely on drugs and drugs are not mentioned in the common traditional texts, people I know who made the actual pilgrimages to India say that hash is such an essential part of the practices that noone ever thought there was any reason to write it down. Everyone already knew to get loaded before they started their exercises. And, more close to this list, while they are not my favorite bunch, the OTO (of whom RS was once a secretary) heavily uses hash in their rituals. Now the laughs on me. I never noticed this in the texts. Was it just standard procedure, not worth mentioning, or was it codified, like that 'spear in the chalice' talk? Even if the High Times artice were true, wasn't the Christ in this version still creating healings that hash-oils alone are not known to accomplish??? Anyone who know, please tell me more. -Allan
Re: BD Now! Audio Files
A wav. file of 30 mins is 28mgs or so A CD would be best to send to you. OK G - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: Re: BD Now! Audio Files Twas thinking. If wav. is very common then I could probably put the files on my site and you have a link to that page? from you BD audio page. Saves alot of middle bisso. Glen Sorry, it's not the way the system works, Glen. I have to substantially massage the files so that they can be streamed. -Allan
Ordo Templi Orientis
Apparently, RS was never a member of the OTO. http://www.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/steiner.htm Richard --- Chris Shade wrote And, more close to this list, while they are not my favorite bunch, the OTO (of whom RS was once a secretary) heavily uses hash in their rituals.
Re: [globalnews] Jesus 'healed using cannabis'
And Madame Blavatsky indulged in hashish herself. Particularily before seances . Plant medicine. Barbara Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [globalnews] Jesus 'healed using cannabis' Well, roll away the stone, eh? Don't sound so pious, there, Falwell. While they may have blown their story out of proportions due to their interests, there is definitely some truth to parts of it. Gnostics, for one, definitely would use heavily. And there are many Sufi, Hindu, and Taoist who use. Although it was commonly stated in the 60's that yoga and trantra were ways ecstatic states that do not rely on drugs and drugs are not mentioned in the common traditional texts, people I know who made the actual pilgrimages to India say that hash is such an essential part of the practices that noone ever thought there was any reason to write it down. Everyone already knew to get loaded before they started their exercises. And, more close to this list, while they are not my favorite bunch, the OTO (of whom RS was once a secretary) heavily uses hash in their rituals. Now the laughs on me. I never noticed this in the texts. Was it just standard procedure, not worth mentioning, or was it codified, like that 'spear in the chalice' talk? Even if the High Times artice were true, wasn't the Christ in this version still creating healings that hash-oils alone are not known to accomplish??? Anyone who know, please tell me more. -Allan
Re: [globalnews] Jesus 'healed using cannabis'
Allan, who made the actual pilgrimages to India say that hash is such an essential part of the practices that noone ever thought there was any reason to write it down. Everyone already knew to get loaded before they started their exercises. that was my impression too. And again, their are two paths in Tantra, straight and bent. And, more close to this list, while they are not my favorite bunch, the OTO (of whom RS was once a secretary) heavily uses hash in their rituals. Now the laughs on me. I never noticed this in the texts. Was it just standard procedure, not worth mentioning, or was it codified, like that 'spear in the chalice' talk? I found those references in a more modern OTO website. Crowely certainly drove things in a certain direction. Even if the High Times artice were true, wasn't the Christ in this version still creating healings that hash-oils alone are not known to accomplish??? Anyone who know, please tell me more. Yeah, Hash oil won't do anything more than get you stoned if that is all you are into. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: Ordo Templi Orientis
OTO likes to calim him as one of theirs, but it does not surprise me if he was not. He doesn't seem their type. Certainly not a bloodsugarsexmagic kind of guy. thanks for the research. Chris --- Richard Kalin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, RS was never a member of the OTO. http://www.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/steiner.htm Richard --- Chris Shade wrote And, more close to this list, while they are not my favorite bunch, the OTO (of whom RS was once a secretary) heavily uses hash in their rituals. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: Ordo Templi Orientis
Dear Chris: --- Chris Shade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTO likes to calim him as one of theirs, but it does not surprise me if he was not. He doesn't seem their type. Certainly not a bloodsugarsexmagic kind of guy. thanks for the research. I think there is some case to be made that RS did have +some+ association with the OTO, although this was obviously not the same OTO made (in)famous, much later, by Crowley. He did get the charter to use the Memphis-Misraim rituals for the First Esoteric School (pre-WWI) from them. And I, for one, would not be surprised if he checked tham out more thoroughly than he or his followers are prepared to admit. I mean, he hung out with hard-core Red Radicals like Rosa Luxumberg, Karl Liebknecht, and Rosa Mayreder, and, by all accounts, had a great time with them and others in bohemian Berlin. But then he fell in with Marie who taught him upper-class social graces; how to tie his cravat and all, and started up with the retired pensioners and mouldy theosophists. In some ways, I think it was downhill from there. At least the fun was over. Regards, Stephen = Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. Nelson Mandela, inaugural speech, 1994 The less you bet, the more you lose when you win. Wyatt Earp He not busy being born is busy dying. Bob Dylan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [globalnews] Jesus 'healed using cannabis'
Hi: --- Chris Shade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, Hash oil won't do anything more than get you stoned if that is all you are into. Whose to say that JC didn't like the herb for simple fun and relaxation. Why assume he would have used it to get somewhere else? If he enjoyed a good meal, an afternoon on the lake, a nice footrub, why not a joint? I mean, like God made the weed, just like everything else. Stephen = Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. Nelson Mandela, inaugural speech, 1994 The less you bet, the more you lose when you win. Wyatt Earp He not busy being born is busy dying. Bob Dylan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
RE: [globalnews] Jesus 'healed using cannabis'
Dear folks, In reference to Christ's healing powers, Lecture Three of The Spiritual Guidance of the Individual and Humanity by Steiner, states: The miracles of healing the sick must also be understood from this point of view. Let us look at just one passage, the one that reads,Now when the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid his hands on them and healed them (Luke 5:40). What does this mean? Here the gospel writer points out that this healing was connected with the constellation of the stars, that in those days the necessary constellation was present only after the sun had set. In other words, in those times the healing forces could manifest themselves only after sunset. Christ Jesus is portrayed as the mediator who brings together the sick and the forces of the cosmos that could heal them at precisely that time. These were the same forces that also worked as Christ in Jesus. The healing occurred through Christ's presence, which exposed the sick to the healing cosmic forces. These healing forces could be effective only under the appropriate conditions of space and time, as described above. In other words, the forces of the cosmos worked on the sick through their representative, the Christ. Better than hash-oil any day. Cordelia -Original Message-
Re: [globalnews] Jesus 'healed using cannabis'
Hello Cordelia. What a perfect qoute from Rudy. Isn't this what we seek to do with Biodynamics?!.
Re: Where is Hugh Lovel ?
Does anyone know where Hugh Lovel is at present - I need to make some arrangements with him re interviews etc in preparation for his trip to Australia. If he is at a Conference or something - if I could have a phone number where to connect with him please, MAny thanks Cheryl, Cheryl Kemp Education and Workshop Coordinator Biodynamic AgriCulture Australia Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306 email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.biodynamics.net.au>www.biodynamics.net.au Dear Cheryl, I'm just back home again from Hawaii. I am skimming e-mails and not answering many since I need to go to bed. I am home now for about a week, though. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: BD Now! Audio Files
Allan, Hugh Lovel's excellent 3-hr. presentation at the Guelph Organic conference a couple years ago was professionally recorded and sold at the conference. I believe he retained a copy. Of course it's up to him whether he feels it appropriate to fwd to you.(or to copy). It was interspersed during one session with some references to his concurrent slideshow, but the wealth of his accessible verbal info would outweigh those non-visual factors. .manfred That sounds GREAT, manfred! -Allan Dear List, I do not have a copy. However, I have no objections to anyone with a copy sharing it. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Fw: Seeds of Life
Title: Seeds of Life - Forwarded Message - From: Dominique Guillet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:18:39 +0100 Subject: Seeds of Life Association Kokopelli is a non profit organization devoted:- to the protection of vegetable and grain biodiversity, - to the production of organic seeds of heirloom vegetables and grains (planetary collection of 2 500 varieties) - and to the support of farmers in Third World countries (we gave 150 000 seed packets during the past 2 years in Africa, Asia and South-America) in the development of sustainable organic agriculture.We are happy to announce the opening of the English version of our web site (http://www.kokopelli.asso.fr/en/ ) and the publication of our book "The Seeds of Kokopelli". This book "The Seeds of Kokopelli" is hard-cover, large size with 440 pages (88 pages in colour). It is a very precise manual of production of seeds for home gardening and small farming as well as a very detailed presentation of our planetary collection. You may consult a few extracts of it in the "News" page of the web-site. (http://www.kokopelli.asso.fr/actu/actu_menu.cgi?lang=ang Thanks a lot to pass this information.Dominique Guillet.
FW: [globalnews] Peace Times: Peace Demonstrations in D.C. andS.F. * PART 1 *
Title: FW: [globalnews] Peace Times: Peace Demonstrations in D.C. and S.F. * PART 1 * (\o/)(\o/)(\o/) PEACE TIMES (\o/)(\o/)(\o/) (\o/) Peace Demonstrations in D.C. and S.F. (\o/) (\o/) Chicago's City Council Says NO To War With Iraq (\o/) (\o/) US Business Leaders Say: Make Money, Not War. (\o/) * PART 1 * January 17th, 2003 (\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/) A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death. -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?, 1967 o IF GEORGE BUSH looks out of the Oval Office window tomorrow he will probably see the biggest peace demonstration in Washington since the Vietnam War. But he will not see hippies or long-haired peaceniks. He will be looking instead at a huge cross-section of Middle America: doctors, corporate lawyers, chief executives, lorry drivers [that's truck drivers to those of us in the usA], nurses, military families, grandmothers, even families of September 11 victims. And they won't be burning the American flag. They will be carrying it with pride. Most Americans support President Bush and his desire to disarm Iraq, but polls show that they do not believe he has yet made the case for using military force, and across this vast nation there are deep misgivings about a war. from article #6, below o Chicago's City Council voted 46-1 to oppose a pre-emptive military attack on Iraq unless the country is shown to be a real threat to the United States. The resolution makes Chicago the biggest U.S. city to speak out against war. from article #6, below o On Monday a group of prominent [U.S.] Republican business executives published a full-page letter in the Wall Street Journal headed A Republican Dissent on Iraq. It began: Let's be clear. We supported the Gulf War. We supported our intervention in Afghanistan. We accept the logic of a just war. But Mr. President, your war on Iraq does not pass the test. It is not a just war. It continued: The world wants Saddam Hussein disarmed. But you must find a better way to do it. Many chief executives believe that Mr. Bush should be focusing on the fragile US economy, not attacking a country 8,000 miles from Washington. This is hardly 1967. The message today is: Make Money, Not War. [a twist on the 60's message of Make Love, Not War! -LM] from article #7, below o Many Hollywood luminaries have opposed a war. Martin Sheen, the star of The West Wing, led a march of 10,000 in Los Angeles last weekend. Others are being told by their agents that to do so publicly would harm their careers. Michael Kieschnick, a march organiser, said: When those millions get engaged, whether through street events, letter writing or visiting the representatives, Bush will have to pause. from article #7, below o 1) Antiwar Activists From Across U.S. Preparing for Weekend of Protests (Washington Post via A.N.S.W.E.R.) 2) Peace Demonstrations in D.C. and S.F. (Tikkun) 3) WHAT YOU NEED to KNOW if you're coming to DC Jan 18 (A.N.S.W.E.R.) Note: 4 - 11 below appear in Part 2, a separate message 4) Living Tribute to Phil Berrigan: Jan 18 March on Washington (A.N.S.W.E.R.) 5) Free Worldwide Broadcast of 1/18 Anti-War Rally (A.N.S.W.E.R.) 6) Chicago's City Council voted 46-1 To Oppose War in Iraq (AP via Yahoo New via BuzzFlash) 7) Anti-War Movement in America Grows Stronger (Times Online, U.K. via BuzzFlash) 8) Time Europe Poll: Which Nation Poses The Greatest Threat to Peace in 2003: North Korea, Iraq, or the U.S.? 9) A Suggestion From a Peace Times Reader in Scotland 10) George Bush Explains Why We Need To Go To War Against Iraq in Texas Terminology 11) Peace Quotes (\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/) Suggestion: This is a LONG message (sorry). Print it out and read it tonight, or on the way to your local Peace demonstation tomorrow (Saturday). PEACE NOW! (\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/)(\o/) 1) Antiwar Activists From Across U.S. Preparing for Weekend of Protests (Washington Post via A.N.S.W.E.R.) From: A.N.S.W.E.R., [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/13/03 By Manny Fernandez Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, January 13, 2003; Page B01 Dallas lawyer Robert B. Dennis is headed to Washington this week, one of about 50 Texans willing to endure a 22-hour bus ride. Amer Mirza, a Web developer from suburban Chicago, has been signing up Muslims in his area for seats on a charter bus he plans to ride. Casey Chapman, a senior at Catholic Central High School in Troy, N.Y., will join a dozen other teenagers in a chaperone-driven van. Dennis, Mirza and Chapman are a fraction of the thousands coming to Washington for a national antiwar demonstration Saturday, a rally and march that they and organizers say will be their last chance for a massive display of dissent before the United States goes to war with Iraq. The Iraqi people are not our enemy, said Dennis,
Re: Ordo Templi Orientis and RS
Dear Stephen, Chris, Subject: Re: Ordo Templi Orientis and RS I conulted one of the few living old time anthroposophists here in Vancouver ,BC, (now 84) and one of the four living founders of the Canadian Anthroposophical Society, when it split off from the American Anthr. Soc. in 1954. I think there is some case to be made that RS did have +some+ association with the OTO, although this was obviously not the same OTO made (in)famous, much later, by Crowley. \ RS, while in Berlin, reached the 33rd Level within the OTO, or Free Mason. I guess that is some association. Chris-I guess he was their type after all. He did get the charter to use the Memphis-Misraim rituals for the First Esoteric School (pre-WWI) from them. No relationship between rituals of OTO and Esoterische Stunde (1910-1914). Hope this helps to clarify things, folks. Michael
RE: Ordo Templi Orientis and RS
RS, while in Berlin, reached the 33rd Level within the OTO, or Free Mason. I guess that is some association. Chris-I guess he was their type after all. Well, being in OTO does not mean that You are freemason and vice versa. The same applies for 33rd degree. Zoran
Lungworm problem
Kia ora I have a 16 month heifer who has a lungworm problemand I would like help for her.She is under no pressure feedwise.4 weeks agoshe had5 daysof being drenched daily withcider vinegarand still not a happy girlAny suggestions please? Many thanks Diana
