Re: BD Brain Teasers
Hi Roger, My fantasy is a little differnt to yours. Perhaps Steiner wasn't the one who gave the numbers, perhaps he just gave the recipies. Steiner was concerned that we had active links with the cosmos, the closer part of which are the seven visible planetry bodies. Perhaps the two preparations matured in cows horns relate to the winter Sun and its digestive activity and the summer Sun and its ripening capacity. Perhaps these two were given as a duality. Then we might have Moon / oakbark in skull in water / condencing calcium into carbon 505 Venus / Yarrow florets in a stags bladder / condencing the airy senitive into the watery element of the bladder and urine. potasium, cu. sulfer. Mercury / Chamomile that grows as a weed in anaerobic places and whose flowers bring health to an unsettled digestive tract, oxygen, growth and expansion. Is able to quell smells in anaerobic rotting processes. Cacium and sulfer as a catalyst. Mars / where light penetrates into plant tissue bringing a finenes and delicacy to plant growth. Magnesium plus nitrogen iron calcium etc. Jupiter the dandelion flower is tenuously attached by a delicate hollow tube, almost not of this world. Wrapped in a messentry which is the message centre of the body. The sola plexus divides the upper from the lower Is a messanger from the cosmic world to the plant world as well as from the plant world to the cosmic.One might describe it as a cosmic breathing. To help the plants find what they need. Tin, zinc and hydrogen. Saturn. the lord of warmth and cool. The boundary of the visible planets so intended to form a boundary or skin to a compost or manure heap. To be an individual one needs a boundary or a skin. Lead, phosphorus. You ask the question as to what might correspond to the fruit; what about clay? I present this as another view and I'm sure others have their veiws that are different than these two. Well thats my brain gym for today!! Best wishes, Peter. - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: BD Brain Teasers 1. Did Steiner really intend BD502-507 to be used solely in compost manufacture? 2. Did he identify equisetum as BD508 or was it someone else? 3. Is there a 'missing' BD509? If so, what might it and its purpose be? * Someone told me once, or I have read it and forgotten where, that the preps are not numbered sequentially but that 502-508 actually fall between 500 and 501. That is, the 'sequence' could be 500, 502, 503, 504, 505, 506, 507, 508, 501. The plant growth cycle is divisible into nine stages - mature seed, cotyledons, buds, leaves, calyx, petals, pistils, fruit, immature seed. There are at least twelve major building blocks of life - eg calcium, magnesium, potassium, sulphur, nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen, phosphorus, silicon, sodium, chlorine, manganese. There are also trace elements and other minerals that life needs - eg copper, mercury, iron, silver, tin, zinc, lead, aluminium. Now if we look at the preps we find that some of these are represented and the plant stages fit conveniently as well. 500 - horn manure - calcium - (balances soil, encourages microbial life) 502 - yarrow - sulphur - copper - (seed) 503 - chamomile - oxygen - mercury - (cotyledons) 504 - nettle - nitrogen - iron - (bud) 505 - oak bark - carbon - silver - (leaves) 506 - dandelion - hydrogen - tin - (calyx) 507 - valerian - phosphorus - lead - (petals) 508 - equisetum - silica - (pistils, stamen) (509) - ?? - ?? - (fruit) 501 - horn silica - light energy - (seed) Given the exactitude of scientists it seems unlikely that Steiner numbered his preparations in the order they 'came off the shelf' but that he had a reason for assigning the numbers as he did. One attribute all the preps have in common is energy. Could it be that in some way he assessed the amount of energy held within each prep, aligned it with the appropriate stage of plant growth, and numbered it accordingly? Back in 1924 the soils of Europe held a natural fertility that isn't there any more. Germany and Austria had been saddled with a reparations bill for world war I which was virtually impossible to pay (no prizes for guessing which country was behind that). Farmers were under pressure to produce more with less, added to which commodity prices were falling and would not recover for at least ten years. Hence the use of artificial fertilisers which were adversely affecting soil fertility. Steiner produced his preparations to counter those effects and take the soil back to its original fertility. How did he do that? Indeed, how did he know what that 'fertility' state was? Let us now enter the realm of fantasy. Let us suppose Steiner had a device which enabled him to measure the amount of 'standing' energy held in things and that at some time pre-superphosphate era he had
Re: BD Brain Teasers
Gday Roger Lets have a bit of fun with this 1. Did Steiner really intend BD502-507 to be used solely in compost manufacture? No 2. Did he identify equisetum as BD508 or was it someone else? Someone Else 3. Is there a 'missing' BD509? If so, what might it and its purpose be? Yes Horn Clay * I have absolutely no experience or background knowledge to back this up - just a mental picture of Steiner lecturing to those farmers years ago and I dont think the numbers were part of the deal at that stage I reckon they were someone else's invention at a later time. There is no number system used in the Kolisko book , they refer to the various preparations as dandelion prepared as indicated by Dr Steiner or similar terminology. I'm a raw newcomer to this but for me the numbers dont fit for the man and what he was doing at the time. I guess there will be a bunch of people come out to prove me wrong - good - I'll stand corrected (and unconvinced) Cheers all Lloyd Charles
Re: BD Brain Teasers
The bd remedies took up the numbers 500-508 because the medecal remedies ended at 499. If you arrange them in the compost heap energetically: 500* *[507]#***503*** 504* 505* **506**502* 501* 508* # according to the research from Joe Stevens and his careful look at the original German and other notes from Rudy, it really sez to add the valerian when the compost is finished. I have done several batches this way, as reported to bdnow, and have increasingly dramatic results from past experiences. Try it. I have been working with different clay remedies, not horn clay. I feel there is definite need for clay, Hugo Erbe has described a clay remedy with wheat groats and clay in a bovine esophagus. We will be making some at JPI this year. The compost remedies themselves take on a clay like property. Are we not the clay in the bd remedies ourselves??? I prepare all my composts with this arrangement of remdies. Notice how the last digits add up to nine, that i how the preps energetically compliment eachother. I have been adding the 500 and 501 for over a year and like the results. The 508 adds great fungal activity to the compost.
Re: Alan York Presentation on line now
thanks Allan someone posted a message to the compost tea list which they said was from BDNow and signed by you/ It said that they were negative on CT at the Alt Vit conference. I could not find this posting in BDNow but it was extremely hard to search due to all of Jane's cross postings. Do you know why I was unsubbed from BDNow when I sent my message to you ? At 10:24 PM 30/01/2003 -0500, you wrote: Friends - You can listen to the Alan York presentation from yesterday's PENN STATE Alternative Viticulture Conference in Middleburg, PA at the BD Now! pages now. The title of Mr. York's presentation is: The Role of Viticulture in Successful Organic/BioDynamic Production and Organizing Principles in BioDynamic Agriculture Mr York is the Holistic Estate Manager for Ceago and BonTerra Vineyards and consults on viticulture around the globe. He is the former garden manager of Alan Chadwick's Copulo Garden, the former President of the BDA and the former editor of the Biodynamic Journal. This lecture is over an hour long. Please be patient as it loads. If you have problems, contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The url for this presentation is http://www.gardeningforthefuture.com (then go into the 'biodynamic' section (chose a button at the bottom of the screen) and click on the YORK banner. Enjoy this. It's a treasure of farming and gardening wisdom. -Allan Laura Sabourin Feast of Fields Inc Demeter Certified Vineyard Farm http://feast-of-fields.ca EcoVit Aerobic Compost Tea http://compost-tea.ca R R # 1 St Catharines, Ontario L2R 6P7
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
I'll just put this out here for comment: Alan York and Will Brinton both state that they have never seen or heard of claims of crops reliably produced (this means year after year, something that excludes many variables: repeatability) through the use of radionics, except by people who are involved in selling radionics on some level. First person ndorsements to the contrary are encouraged Hi Allan Hmmm crops reliably produced -year after year I certainly would'nt make that claim for radionics(on its own), nor would I support it for biodynamics(on its own), it certainly does not happen in conventional agriculture, no one way is reliable when taken in isolation, and isolation is the special talent of scientists - when we eliminate the variables to allow a 'valid trial' we also eliminate many of the mechanisms that allow nature to function properly. When I go look at the people that are making alternative agriculture work well in most cases they are using a broad range of tactics, and if not they are happily sequestered on a patch of specially good and fertile soil that forgives the mistakes. Away from those places you mostly find that a balanced combination of good basic soil remineralisation, stimulation of microbial activity, and energetics is whats needed for best results, BD or radionics (energetics) without the minerals is a struggle, likewise a mineralised soil low in energy, microbial stimulation (compost tea etc) without attending to basic minerals will crash and burn one day too. Of course we can always take the other road and adjust yield expectations downward to come in line with the low fertility - many wine grape growers do this with seeming good results - planting on a dry barren hillside and thinning the crop, ' stressing the vines' so that the low supply of soil minerals is sufficient to give high quality fruit and make top grade wine - the logic of this escapes me but it seems to work - I think differently - why not grow on a more hospitable patch - aim for better yield and supply the minerals that are lacking ?? My thoughts anyway Lloyd Charles
Re: BD Brain Teasers
I have been adding the 500 and 501 for over a year and like the results. The 508 adds great fungal activity to the compost. Steve - Do you place 500 and 501 in the pile as you would any of the (non-liquid) preps in the pile otherwise? -Allan
Fwd: a-s: Paracelsus seminar, Emerson College
---BeginMessage--- Please make a note of the following seminar for your diaries: ++ ONE DAY SEMINAR with Dr. JUDYTH SASSOON (Dept. Biology and Biochemistry, University of Bath, U.K.) PARACELSUS and the SALT, MERCURY, SULPHUR PROCESSES Saturday, 8th February, 9.00 16.00 Price: £50 EMERSON COLLEGE, Forest Row, East Sussex, RH18 5JX Tel. +44 1342 822238; Fax +44 1342 826055 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This seminar will cover the basics of the salt, mercury and sulphur processes - the three essential Alchemical Principles- and will include practical demonstrations and examples drawn from biology, chemistry and physiology. We will be discussing how a knowledge of the Principles may be applied in the study of nature and the preparation of Anthroposophical remedies. I will also be presenting some of my own, recent research on bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) and human diseases of consciousness (such as Alzheimer's disease and Parkinson's disease) and will show how they may be studied from a Paracelsian perspective. All are welcome. Judyth Sassoon +++ Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word help in the body of the message to get help with leaving, retrieving archive files etc. +++ ---End Message---
Re: BD Brain Teasers
In a message dated 1/31/03 8:20:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve - Do you place 500 and 501 in the pile as you would any of the (non-liquid) preps in the pile otherwise? -Allan Yes. That diagram represents the way the remedies go in the pile!!! sstorch
Re: BD Brain Teasers
If you arrange them in the compost heap energetically: 500* *[507]#***503*** 504* 505* **506**502* 501* 508* Hi Steve Do you (or would you) use this same pattern and the main preps too (500,501,508) when you make barrel compost, and BD fish and kelp solutions? Thanks Lloyd Charles
Re: BD Brain Teasers
Roger which device do you use to measure engery ? 509 is horn clay, mediator between 500 and 501 As I said before, this is a fantasy. However, I do have a device which measures energy and this tells me that BD500 = 100, BD501 = 1000, and chamomile, nettle and dandelion = 200, 300 and 600 respectively. I can't measure the others because I don't have any but 5 out of 10 seems pretty good to me! So - what is BD509 and what does it do? roger Laura Sabourin Feast of Fields Inc Demeter Certified Vineyard Farm http://feast-of-fields.ca EcoVit Aerobic Compost Tea http://compost-tea.ca R R # 1 St Catharines, Ontario L2R 6P7
Re: BD Brain Teasers
BD fish and kelp solutions ?? me tell me about these. Hi Steve Do you (or would you) use this same pattern and the main preps too (500,501,508) when you make barrel compost, and BD fish and kelp solutions? Thanks Lloyd Charles Laura Sabourin Feast of Fields Inc Demeter Certified Vineyard Farm http://feast-of-fields.ca EcoVit Aerobic Compost Tea http://compost-tea.ca R R # 1 St Catharines, Ontario L2R 6P7
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Hmmm crops reliably produced -year after year I certainly would'nt make that claim for radionics(on its own), nor would I support it for biodynamics(on its own), it certainly does not happen in conventional agriculture, no one way is reliable when taken in isolation, and isolation is the special talent of scientists - when we eliminate the variables to allow a 'valid trial' we also eliminate many of the mechanisms that allow nature to function properly. Lloyd - Looks like I was suffering more of a failure to communicate than usual yesterday! Brinton and York were ruing that they have never seen an affective application of radionics. This was not meant to imply that the radionics would be in isolation. It meant that the radionics was an effective component of a farm management system. On the BD only remark, one can some times pick up the sense on this list that the preps are enough to make anyone a good farmer/gardener. York points out in his presentation that the men who gathered to listen to RS speak were not only very good farmers but they, for the most part, were also very perceptive individuals, realizing that early in the game that chemical agriculture was destroying the fertility of land and the flavor and nutritional value of food. Even AP, they say, is a stupendously talented farmer and that his successes in Australia are due to him experience-based insights into the needs of the land and the farms and not 'solely' due to the regular application of BD 500. (This one, I admit, I have problems with. I can't see how much direct input AP can have into millions of acres and hundreds of farms, many of which are operated with men who have no philosophical predisposition to holistic agriculture.) Thanks for bringing these points up, Lloyd. -Allan
OT: the rush and push to war
Check out the double seig-heil (sp?) in the photo of the true power bhind the throne at this url in today's NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/politics/31CHEN.html Wonder who he's saluting? Maybe there's a hint here: Mr. Cheney has dodged all questions about his conduct as chief executive at Halliburton, the energy company under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission for its accounting practices. He has also repeatedly declined to identify the people who were consulted by his energy task force in 2001. (BTW, ever notice how everyone in or supportive of this administration seems to decline (not refuse, oh no) to answer questions in which they are requested to account for their actions, to the people who they supposedly are serving (us)??) And perhaps there's another hint (one linked to the afore-noted refusal to ID corporate energy-co. insider influence?) here: Mr. Cheney has been consumed by planning for the political reconstruction of a post-Hussein Iraq. The plan, so far, is for an American military commander to run the country alongside a civilian administrator, with an eventual transition to an Iraqi-led [puppet] government. (oops, sorry, my fingers slipped and inserted that [extra] word.) Or maybe here? He is now pursuing a plan to offer government incentives to drug companies to develop better smallpox and anthrax vaccines. or here? On the economy, Mr. Cheney was a forceful advocate of the centerpiece of the president's economic plan, the elimination of the dividend tax. Heck, power *behind* the throne seems naive somehow; here's what Rep. Rob Portman, an Ohio Republican says at the article's close: You feel when you've talked to the vice president you've talked to the president. With that kinda power -- but without the pressure that would over-strain his heart (a history of heart problems -- who needs the figurehead hassles of an official presidency? sorry, just had to let off a bit of steam. Peace. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Rice slipup
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OT: The real tipoff to his [Resident's] intentions...--NYTimes editorial
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/opinion/31FRI1.html January 31, 2003 Empty Promises Everyone expects a certain amount of hokum in a State of the Union address. But for artful misdirection it's hard to top the three paragraphs in which President Bush promised to protect the environment while promoting energy independence. Set aside for the moment the meagerness of his menu, as well as the plain fact that he has spent the last two years rolling back laws and regulations that have long guarded the nation's air, water and public lands. The real tipoff to his intentions lies in the three proposals themselves. Whatever their long-term promise, none would do much good in the short term and some would actually do harm. [snip] Nothing new here, really, other than editorial reinforcement of what we already know is going on: an agenda to enrich the rich By an means necesary -- even to decimation of our ecological and individual health. Peace. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
preps
Roger, thanks for bringing up an interesting thread. At 12:02 PM 1/31/2003 -0500, Roger wrote: 1. Did Steiner really intend BD502-507 to be used solely in compost manufacture? That's how he introduced it in the lectures, Pfieffer and others used it for seed baths etc. 2. Did he identify equisetum as BD508 or was it someone else? I dont think he gave the numbers 3. Is there a 'missing' BD509? If so, what might it and its purpose be? not from RS, some give horn clay that number Someone told me once, or I have read it and forgotten where, that the preps are not numbered sequentially but that 502-508 actually fall between 500 and 501. That is, the 'sequence' could be 500, 502, 503, 504, 505, 506, 507, 508, 501. sort of, in that 500 is the earthly pole, 501 the cosmic pole and the preps arranged in between, tho not in that numeric order. SStorch response is very good. also see the table in chapter 4 of the intro class at www.oregonbd.org and Glen's material at http://rimu.orcon.net.nz/garuda/books/index.html Note that RS introduced the preps as polar pairs, eg) 502 and 503 are the first discussed and stand at opposite ends of the polarity, they are not necessary closer to 500 just because they have a smaller numbers and sequential order. The plant growth cycle is divisible into nine stages - mature seed, cotyledons, buds, leaves, calyx, petals, pistils, fruit, immature seed. There are at least twelve major building blocks of life - eg calcium, magnesium, potassium, sulphur, nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen, phosphorus, silicon, sodium, chlorine, manganese. There are also trace elements and other minerals that life needs - eg copper, mercury, iron, silver, tin, zinc, lead, aluminium. others, such as Haushe(sp?), have tied elements to the 12-fold zodiac, but it's not the same thing Now if we look at the preps we find that some of these are represented and the plant stages fit conveniently as well. 500 - horn manure - calcium - (balances soil, encourages microbial life) 502 - yarrow - sulphur - copper - (seed) 503 - chamomile - oxygen - mercury - (cotyledons) 504 - nettle - nitrogen - iron - (bud) 505 - oak bark - carbon - silver - (leaves) 506 - dandelion - hydrogen - tin - (calyx) 507 - valerian - phosphorus - lead - (petals) 508 - equisetum - silica - (pistils, stamen) (509) - ?? - ?? - (fruit) 501 - horn silica - light energy - (seed) No, this is your interpretation. The plant stages and operations are quite different. A good reference is Livegood's plantetary influences on the preps, the primary source for the table listed in Chapter 4 of the intro class. I should post a summary. I do have a draft article covering Konig on the animal sheaths that will be posted soon (it's being reviewed now) Also note that RS did NOT include equisituem as a compost prep. He listed it as a remedy for fungus type disease, as he said to push back the etheric from the outside when etheric was too diffuse. BTW, oak bark is described as doing something similar but as pulling back the etheric to the center. Livegood and Konig both discuss the prep in the compost pile as providing the same sort of cosmic focal points that animals do with their organs Given the exactitude of scientists it seems unlikely that Steiner numbered his preparations in the order they 'came off the shelf' I think thats just what he did Let us now enter the realm of fantasy. Let us suppose Steiner had a device which enabled him to measure the amount of 'standing' energy held in things and that at some time pre-superphosphate era he had measured the soil and come up with an amount I shall call X enertrons. this is pure speculation Peter says Perhaps the two preparations matured in cows horns relate to the winter Sun and its digestive activity and the summer Sun and its ripening capacity. Perhaps these two were given as a duality. Quite so Steve says I have been adding the 500 and 501 for over a year and like the results. The 508 adds great fungal activity to the compost. Cool! Neat to see folks developing their own approach. No doubt there's more than one way. I'm not clear on the equisitum, I would think it needs to be on the outer skin. Allan, the same site lists one of Will Brinton's reports on results of compost tea on grapes. I would think that Allan York would know of it. Perhaps he meant the results for aerated tea weren't in yet. As I recollect, Will's directions for the tea were to put compost in a bucket of water, place by the barn door and stir each time the farmer walked by. So it's aerobic but not aerated. David Robison Stellar Processes 1033 SW Yamhill Suite 405 Portland, OR 97205 (503) 827-8336 www.ezsim.com
Practical Literature on the Biodynamic Preparations
== Practical Literature on the Biodynamic Preparations Appendix from: Technical Consultancy Report on Promoting Biodynamics in Uttaranchal, India. A Winrock Farmer-to-Farmer program. October 16-27, 2002. By Steve Diver Fayetteville, Arkansas Note: complete journals citations * Applied Biodynamics, Journal of the Josephine Porter Institute for Applied Biodynamics. * Biodynamics, Journal of the Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association of North America. In the Biodynamic Garden series: Courtney, Hugh J. 1993. Spring in the biodynamic garden. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 7 (Spring). p. 3-7. Courtney, Hugh J. 1994. Summer in the biodynamic garden. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 8 (Summer). p. 1, 3-4. Courtney, Hugh J. 1994. Fall in the biodynamic garden. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 9 (Fall). p. 1, 3-7. Biodynamic Preparation series: Brinton, William F., Jr. 1997. Dynamic chemical processes underlying BD horn manure (500) preparation. Biodynamics. Vol. 214 (November-December). p. 1-3. Courtney, Hugh J. 1994. Seed soaks with the biodynamic preparations. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 7 (Spring). p. 1, 8-9. Courtney, Hugh J. 1994. Further thoughts on making BD #500. Applied Biodynamics. ssue No. 9 (Fall). p. 9-10, 13. Courtney, Hugh J. 1995. BD #501 The horn silica preparation. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 12 (Summer). p. 3-7. Courtney, Hugh J. 1998. The Michaelmas preparation: BD #504 stinging nettle. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 24 (Fall). p. 3-7, 10-11. Courtney, Hugh J. 2000. The valerian preparation some additional notes. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 29/30 (Spring-Fall). p. 7-11. Courtney, Hugh J. and Michael Green. 2001. Practical observations: Observing the forces inherent in the dandelion preparation. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 34 (Fall). p. 4-6. Courtney, Hugh J. 2002. Achillea millefolium esoterica. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 37 (Summer). p. 9-11. Gardener, Malcolm. 2002. Are we collecting the best oak bark? A contribution to the discussion of prep quality. Biodynamics. Vol. 241 (May-June). p. 3-10. Goldstein, Walter. 2000. Experimental proof for the effects of biodynamic preparations. Biodynamics. Issue No. 231 (September-October). p. 6-13. Gregg, Evelyn Speiden. 1999. Making the biodynamic preparations. Biodynamics. Vol. 223 (May-June). p. 14-15. Jeyakaran, C. 2001. Kurinjis experience in growing biodynamic herbs and making biodynamic preparations. Biodynamics. Vol. 238 (November-December). p. 17-19. Korrow, Christy. 2002. Prep making efforts at Dogwood Spring Farm. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 37 (Summer). p. 11-12. Lisle, Harvey C. 2002. Taking a hard look at our horn silica. Biodynamics. Vol. 241 (May-June). p. 19-21. Smith, Patricia. 2000. How to make the valerian preparation (BD #507). Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 29/30 (Spring-Fall). p. 3-11. Smith, Patricia. 2002. How to make the yarrow preparation (BD #502). Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 37 (Summer). p. 3-9. Stevens, Joseph. 2001. Prepared valerian: The secret of finished compost. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 33 (Summer). p. 8-10. Williams, Hugh. 1994. Horsetail herb, Equisetum arvense BD 508. Applied Biodynamics. Issue No. 8 (Summer). p. 8-11. York, Alan. 1997. Working with preparation 500 (Part I). Biodynamics. Vol. 213 (September-October). p. 1, 4. == ==
Re: BD Brain Teasers
In a message dated 1/31/03 8:33:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve Do you (or would you) use this same pattern and the main preps too (500,501,508) when you make barrel compost, and BD fish and kelp solutions? Thanks Lloyd Charles Yes, all compost and bc, and tea...sstorch
Re: AmaranthusAndQuinoa
Hi! Nelson, There are several things you need to know before anyone can help you. There are more than 300 Amaranthus that are in cultivation, that have been collected from the wild. In addition, there are others that have been breed by selection, to suit particular needs. A large number are only grown as an ornamental plant, as they either do not have the qualities required in a crop, or they have factors that are irritants, such as the hairs on the leaves or spikes on the seeds. Of those grown for crops, for the most part, are either those grown for the leaf, as a forage, or those grown for the seed. Of those grown for seed, some are used for human food direct, while others are grown as chicken or animal food. In addition, there are a small number of varieties that can be used for both leaf and seed. These are really only home garden type options, as they do not produce as much leaf and a leaf specific or seed as a seed specific. In some climates, the Amaranthus can become a weed. So you should act with due caution, when introducing each variety. I have grown it as chicken feed. I grow it in a fenced area adjoining the chicken run and after harvest, I run the chickens in the area to clear every last seed to make sure I do not create a problem. I hand gather the seed heads and store them in sealed plastic drums, with seed from the Persian Lilac or White Cedar [A Neem family tree}. This keeps any bugs from eating it. I usually feed a mixture with wheat, greens and garden scraps. I have eaten the ones recommended for human use. In my twenty inch rainfall, all the types I have trailed require supplementary watering, so I think would only be a problem here in wetter areas. Area for area, it would seem to be more productive than wheat, barley or oats. I find my chicken like it. I guess there are about twelve to fifteen available in Australia from specialist seed suppliers. I would suggest you check with you local agricultural advisory service, as they may have done some work under the local conditions and may supply small quantities of seed to allow you to grow out your own seed supply. Gil Nelson Jacomel Junior wrote: Florianopolis, SC, Brasil January 30, 2003. Dear friends: I've searched our archives loking for the subject but found nothing. Amaranthus and quinoa has been introduced in Brasil some years ago. I've studied the plants with some search in the net and data gathered in Smartt Simmonds's Evolution of Crop Plants. Also I'm going to use Pelikan book. Here in southern Brasil we planted an experimental less-than-one-hectare area and I still need some more datails. (Seeds has been obtained from plants firstly introduced in 1998). So friends may I ask what else can you suggest? Thanks Nelson. - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Allan Would double embryo wheat and barley be good enough evidence to support the worth of radionics. It took one of Arden Andersen's best clients 20 generations (10 years) to do this out in Washington state with wheat and foliar fertilisation dont know whether they used radionics or not and its only a story he tells - no reason to doubt it though. Our radionics man in australia did this in three years using radionic analysis to maximise the energetic effect of fertiliser programs (base and foliars). I saw the crop of barley at harvest time and believe me it was not a case of 'finding' one or two, at least 60% of the plants we pulled were double embryo - gone clear through to harvest as healthy robust plants in a drought year, this guy is also keeping pest species out of crop paddocks spread from central queensland to tasmania by using radionic broadcast from his home base in southern victoria nightingales out of poppy fields, insect pests out of pea and bean crops, etc , etc) commercial farmers are paying him good money to do this stuff. Maybe Brinton and York dont want to see a result - after all radionic and homoepathic use of the BD preps has not been flavour of the month with old guard BD people. Its usually difficult to see something that you have decided not to look for. Mopre later Lloyd Charles
Re: BD Brain Teasers
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Re: BD Brain Teasers BD fish and kelp solutions ?? me tell me about these. Another way for broadacre farmers to get the influence of the compost preps working over their farms - contact Cheryl Kemp for more info on this Cheryl Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Maybe Brinton and York dont want to see a result - after all radionic and homoepathic use of the BD preps has not been flavour of the month with old guard BD people. Its usually difficult to see something that you have decided not to look for. Lloyd - York is not an old guard BD person. He put 'dynamics' way behind good farming practice and knowledge of the crops being grown. He's the most pragmatic grower I've met who did not come from Australia! I have no doubt that if he had seen an application of effective radionics that he wouldn't be applying it to all of his accounts. This is not to deny the effectiveness of radionics, it's only to say that a man as present in dynamic agriculture as long as York has been says that he's never seen any situations that indicate a positive effect from radionics. Gimme that man's address and phone number and Ill pass it to Mr. York. -Allan
Re: preps
1. Did Steiner really intend BD502-507 to be used solely in compost manufacture? GA No he discussed using Oak Bark against fungal at in the 6th lecture G
