Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Hi Gil I dont like the idea of sodium bentonite for our soils and am unable to locate calcium bentonite in the time I have left - used in the wine industry but the type they use is a high grade and very expensive - no local suppliers have any - have decided to go with my favourite farm clay and YES it is a pain in the backside preparing -it would be much easier from a bag! Cheers Lloyd Charles
stirring
Well I like machine stirring. The big question today is how many folks that started a greg willis program are still on it, granted that a stirring machine can sit unused too but it tends to get used more than hand stirring for 100acres or more...sstorch In a message dated 4/2/03 9:10:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hugh Lovel said he likes human-powered BD prep stirring that is done with a tripod stirrer over a barrell, the kind made by Greg Willis, that they made a real nice vortex. These were in use at Topolos Vineyard in Sonoma County. Slide #3 and #4 in the RealSlideShow on my farm home web page shows the tripod stirring device and the vortex, from the Biodynamic Viticulture Field Day at Topolos Vineyard a few years back when Hugh was teaching with Peter Proctor over at Steiner College.
Re: Buddy, Can you paradigm?
In a message dated 4/2/03 8:24:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'Well, you think that kelp is natural, but I'll tell you, there's nothing natural at all about beef eating seaweed. Tell the farmer that New England farmers would often bring their cows down to the beach to snack on seaweed, not so far out...sstorch
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Hi Hugh, Steve and BDNowers, After visiting your seminar Hugh, I had the good fortune to spend some time with Greg. As part of that experience we did some stiring in a small barrel. The only vessel that I could imagine being better than a barrel would be an egg shape. Greg pointed out to me that when one gets stiring a flame shaped vortex descends down the pole into the water. No doubt it goes the other way too. When I stir here when things are getting a bit dry I use a long bamboo pole tied to a branch in a tree. It seems that the 'as above so below' process works in forming a vortex in the atmosphere as well as in the barrel. The result is always some rain. The more people involved the sooner it comes. On the occasions that three of us sprayed and stired we were well drenched within the hour of finnishing stiring. Sure I use potentised preps, and a tree for broadcast as well, but an hour on the stiring pole every now and then gives the body a good workout although I never stir more than 180 liters at once. I had an iteresting experience this year with bottling peaches. With the stiring of horn manure that was made with clay bungs and a bit of chomomile prep for luck then the rain the peaches just about exploded on the tree. To shut them down and ripen them I put one of Glen's root development compounds on followed by his patent mix for ripening. I brix tested the peach juice after cooking without adding any sugar. The first lot picked straight after spraying, came out at 7, the next lot a couple of days later were 16 and a couple of days after that, 15. Each lot was picked at a similar stage of visual ripeness. The root development spray was used to take the sap preasure away from the fruit. This in turn seemed to reduce the tendency to rot. Cheers, Peter. Dear Steve, Okay, next time I stir 500 and 501 I'll make the stirred cards. I'm sure Wendy didn't stir before making the cards. Just incidentally, the most beautiful vortices I've ever seen in stirring were in barrels stirred by Greg Willis. His method was a meticulously prepared pole supported by a tripod and stirred in wine casks. Really beautiful vortices. I don't know how one could duplicate them with machine stirring. I wish you could have seen it, and if you ever get a chance to see someone stir by Greg's method, do so. Best, Hugh I do recommend your pipe. Phil Wheeler installed one at a consultation I did the day after I left. I endorsed it and will work within the parameters of these farmers wishes. They need to cover 2500 acres and they want good results. They have been 25 years no till and want to see more improvements. I have been asking you for some years to make a hand stirred reagent/malcom-rae card/fb reagent. Has that been done??? I even gave you some of my bc with 500-508, any report or use of it? I highly respect what you are doing and will take up radionics and field broadcasting in the near future when I feel I have my current ducks in a row. I ask you to make this stirred water reagent because you have the experience to see the difference, I would need to start from scratch, we don't have the luxury of that kind of time. And as for stirring time I think the hour number was tossed out there by Rudy. With the stirring machine you can observe the patterns in the water more readily than with hand stirring. I have prepared 500 and 501 in about 10-15 minutes. I have done this on properties that have never had an application with a one hour stir and have achieved obvious results. I have done this with water that has never been heated, cold out of the ground and you get results. There have been many impedences placed by dogmatic/armchair anthropop farmers to prevent folks from stirring the easy way. The making of the bd preps is an elevation of matter. The harvest of the sheathe material, the plant material, the marriage of the two, the human interaction, imagine a bd raised cow with proper feed and care and love and bd plants, then making them into these preparations, wow. Spirit and matter, that is what the man was talking about. Someone out there using radionics and field broadcasters please try making a stirred water preparation for these instruments, it would be ashame to wait for me to do it. Keep up the great work... SStorch Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: healthstudies
I do know that there are quite a number of farmers who change to an organic / biological system of farming for health reasons and have been to treat a farmer who was being poisened by the roof water that contained agrichemical sprays. The neighbour was a realy generous chap who liked to share the aerosol part of the spray generously with all his down wind neibours. Even the cloths in the wardrobe stunk of it. I don't know of a university study on this subject. Best wishes, Peter. - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: healthstudies Does anyone know of any health studies done on chemical farmers? If the negative effects of all the toxic sprays were to show up in one segment of the population it would be them. Not to mention the fact that they would also be inhaling all that genetically engineered pollen. I did hear one stat that serious prostate cancer was 50 times higher in chemical farmers
Vandalism of GMO research crops
Wired Magazine Ag Researcher: Give Us a Break By Kristen Philipkoski | Also by this reporter Page 1 of 1 02:00 AM Apr. 03, 2003 PT In recent years, environmental activists have uprooted or burned many acres of transgenic crops in the United States, causing almost $30 million in damages between 1997 and 2001. And the U.S. Department of Agriculture made the vandals' job that much easier by pointing to the crops' exact location. Now one scientist is calling on regulators to give more-benign research into genetically modified organisms, or GMOs, a break. Some organic farmers and those who believe genetically modified crops are dangerous to human health and the environment say it's only right they should know where such plants are grown. But from the agricultural researchers' point of view, revealing their location leaves them vulnerable to anti-GMO vandals. We have to go to the public and give people the opportunity to damage our research, said Steven Strauss, a forest science professor at the University of Oregon in Corvallis, who works with poplar trees. In a commentary published in Thursday's issue of the journal Science, Strauss argues that regulations for more-benign experiments, such as his poplar tree research, should face less-stringent USDA regulation. Anti-GMO vandals have eased off in recent months, but in the summer of 2001 arsonists gutted a University of Washington horticulture lab in Seattle and set fire to a poplar tree nursery in Clatskanie, Oregon, causing damage to the tune of $3 million. Incidents like those worry Strauss, whose research involves inserting a dwarfism gene from a mustard plant into poplar trees to make them grow smaller. Poplar and other trees can grow so tall that they threaten nearby homes, down power lines and become difficult for nurseries to manage. The damage caused by tall trees costs government agencies up to $1.5 billion a year, he said. We can predict with very high confidence that we're not going to make a plant that invades an ecosystem, Strauss said. You've got to come up with some really wild scenario of how it's going to take over Cincinnati when it's shorter than the guy next door. Researchers have already sequenced the entire genome of the arabidopsis mustard plant, as well as various other plant genomes, including barley, rice and corn. Strauss stressed the importance of putting that information to work. Hundreds of millions of dollars of public investment have been spent, and we may only get a fraction of the potential out of it, Strauss said. Exempting non-threatening research from the USDA requirement that site location information be made public would further that goal, he said. He's right, but on other hand if they don't (publicize GMO crop locations), then people say you're behaving very secretively, said Peggy Lemaux, a faculty member in the plant microbiology department at the University of California at Berkeley. I don't think it's a black-and-white issue. The USDA does judge genetically modified field tests on a case-by-case basis. Experiments like Strauss' would likely fall under a less-restrictive category. But he would still need to provide his location. The reason we do this is to ensure these plants don't pose a threat to other plants, said Jim Rogers, USDA spokesman. We want to make sure they're not going to be weeds. © Copyright 2003, Lycos, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Where did Jane go?
Title: FW: [globalnews] The Nazis & The Bush family I know that Curtis Lang resigned as moderator of Global News, and I haven't seen any posts from Jane Sherry since. Has she left this list? Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Celestial Timings Apr 3, Thursday
Title: Celestial Timings Apr 3, Thursday Infinity is upon us! In Love Light Markess _ April 2003 Celestial Timings By Carolyn Brent Part One April 1-16 The Still Point T.S. Elliot At the still point of the turning world. Neither flesh nor fleshless; Neither from nor towards; at the still point, there the dance is, But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity, Where past and future are gathered. Neither movement from nor towards, Neither ascent nor decline. Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance, I can only say, there we have been: but I cannot say where. And I cannot say, how long, for that is to place it in time. The inner freedom from the practical desire, The release from action and suffering, release from the inner And the outer compulsion, yet surrounded By a grace of sense, a white light still and moving. Apr 3, Thursday. Jupiter is stationing direct (8 Leo) at the Still Point of the Jupiter cycle, where there maybe a pronounced feeling of disorientation and chaos, as the reorientation to forward movement begins. Since December 4, 2002 the Jupitarian quest for self-love has had an inner focus and direction as Jupiter retraced the Star Patterns from 18 Leo back to 8 Leo. The retrograde process of a planet is similar to the image of pulling the arrow back on the bow, moving away from the intended target for the purpose of gathering power. Then when the arrow is released it moves quickly and easily towards the target or goal. The station direct of a planet then represents the pause just before the arrow is released. Another image that works to describe this effect is the Still Point. The shift in direction of a planet¹s motion from the Earth¹s perspective creates a pause or Still Point indicating the center balanced point of power where there is no movement but everything is possible and everything exists at this infinity point before it begins to differentiate or move into form. This Still Point is similar to the experience of a pendulum as it changes direction, where it appears to stand still or stop. This is further explained by Heisenberg¹s Uncertainty Principle stating that ³The more precisely the position is determined, the less precisely the momentum is known in this instant, and vice versa² http://www.aip.org/history/heisenberg/p08.htm Now this gets a bit technical but it is worth having a sense of for better understanding of the Still Point of a planet. In other words ²If we know the exact momentum of a particle, then its position is completely unknowable, and vice versa. We know when the pendulum is in the changing point, when it is at rest, its velocity is zero. But the momentum, at low speed at least, is equal to velocity multiplied by mass. We know the velocity is zero, so when we multiply any quantity with zero, we get zero. According to Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty, the position of the pendulum at rest becomes diffuse and completely indefinite. In other words, the pendulum can be just about any place in the Universe for just a tiny fraction of time with infinite speed. The rapid disappearance of the pendulum into the Universe is so fast, that we cannot detect it in our level of existence and reality. The reason we have used the swing of a pendulum as a showcase is because the pendulum represents any system that oscillates or moves back and forth, whether such an oscillator pulsates concentrically, goes around in orbits, or turns about itself. From the standpoint of one observer, there are always two points at which either of these systems appears to be at rest. To be completely at rest means that the movement has reached the point where it changes or reverses direction. That point of rest implies somehow a disappearance of matter in infinite or almost infinite velocities. http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/octave2.htm So with this background we get a sense of what our senses experience when a planet shifts direction from the Earth¹s perspective, because ultimately the planet is not reversing in its orbit but the Earth is passing the orbit of the planet so it appears to shift direction. However, the effect on the Earth based observer creates the experience of the Still Point, which is not limited by time or space. The Still Point is beyond duality in a place between the worlds where past and future meet in the now. So any planetary station is an opportunity to more consciously experience infinity. Considering the already expansive qualities of Jupiter that are designed to actualize the path of self-realization it is especially useful to consciously attune to this timing pausing at this Still Point to reflect upon the aim of the intended target for the arrow of consciousness to fly towards. (See opening quote) http://www.shamanicastrology.com/celestial_timings.htm
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
In a message dated 4/1/03 6:15:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK Steve (and any others that would like to comment) - I'll try this - a couple of questions though - 1. will this stirred water hold the energy pattern long enough to use it in a vial in the broadcaster (weeks or months) - that doesn't work with stirred preps ? Otherwise I need to make your 'stirred water 'card. answer: It may hold the energy for a considerable time, you should experiment with it though, dowse it, and see how it goes, make a card anyway. 2. three of us are putting down some horns (of 500) this weekend and I'd like to include some clay, you have some different ideas on clay - any suggestions ? these are some options :: bentonite - its easy but I'd rather use local paddock reared clay :: I have a nice maroon clay from our subsoil layer - sticky and extremely dense, mostly magnesium it comes from about 6 to 18 inches deep in the profile. :: a yellowish sticky but highly dispersive, high sodium clay from our deep subsoil :: black pond muck - you talked about this stuff a while back - its a black silty clay that settles in the bottom of our farm water storage dams - powerful stuff - very nutrient rich - has some humic material included from organic wash in answer: I woud go with the maroon clay and the pond muck, stay away from high sodium. Do you have trouble with salts in this clime? I make a tree past type substance and put that through the horn process. 3. we will be doing this in a new pit - any suggestions to pre treat the pit for a better result - I'd thought to spray it out with stirred 500 before putting the horns in ? Line the bottom with good compost maybe? What else works? answer: Some bd compost finely screened is good but so is a bc bath to the pit and just good old soil. Thanks for any suggestions
Re: Fw: Marko Pogacnik
Dear Lance: --- Lance Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm particularly interested in how he has described fairies and devas of place and how such understandings might help define farm organisms. He gives workshops (mostly in Europe) but may visit the US in Oct. 2003. Has anyone met or heard of him? Yes, he came to New Mexico a couple of years ago (along with his daughter Anna), visited a local CSA farm, did a sit-down workshop, and did some earth-healing work up at Los Alamos. I found him knowledgeable, competent, and amiable, and his books well-done. He has a website (address misplaced), containing a discussion group, but seems unable to participate in it or respond to direct inquiries. Stephen = The only thing I regret about my past is the length of it. If I had to live my life again I'd make the same mistakes, only sooner. - Tallulah Bankhead Criminal: A person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. - Clarence Darrow Those who cannot hear the music think that the dancer is mad. - Rumi The victim who is able to articulate the situation of the victim has ceased to be a victim: he or she has become a threat. - James Baldwin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com
Re: stirring
The tripod and the wine barrell and the vortex are the focus of the pictures and accompanying story. I don't guess the water carrying information cares if it is the face of Greg Willis or Lady Galadriel who is staring down into the vortex... though the thoughts of an Elf Queen might be more interesting. Peter Bacchus says he ties a bamboo cane to a tree branch up above to fashion a stirring pole. That is an image worth repeating. The ergonomic stirring effect would be similar to a pole handing down from a tripod. Flow forms stirring is appealing for large batches, if you can afford them or make one yourself. Steve Diver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I like machine stirring. The big question today is how many folks that started a greg willis program are still on it, granted that a stirring machine can sit unused too but it tends to get used more than hand stirring for 100acres or more...sstorch
Re: Buddy, Can you paradigm?
How does salt fit in to this? Salt for humans also (who are not near an ocean or salt mine). Christy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:04 AM Subject: Re: Buddy, Can you paradigm? In a message dated 4/2/03 8:24:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'Well, you think that kelp is natural, but I'll tell you, there's nothing natural at all about beef eating seaweed. Tell the farmer that New England farmers would often bring their cows down to the beach to snack on seaweed, not so far out...sstorch
Re: healthstudies
This is an area that has intrigued me since I started study. Majority of the alternative farmers we met last year on tours switched due to health reasons. Stories of passing out after using round up, in bed for days due to close proximity of seeds and whatever pesticides were on them. In a way this surprised me, not that people were having health problems, but that the majority had taken ill to finally make a change. Meeting more farmers now who are wanting to do the right thing and live the lifestyle they believe in. Thanks for bringing this up, it's got me thinking I will learn more about the poisons used in this area and try to put together a survey and see what comes up. LL Liz on 3/4/03 9:06 PM, Peter Michael Bacchus at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do know that there are quite a number of farmers who change to an organic / biological system of farming for health reasons and have been to treat a farmer who was being poisened by the roof water that contained agrichemical sprays. The neighbour was a realy generous chap who liked to share the aerosol part of the spray generously with all his down wind neibours. Even the cloths in the wardrobe stunk of it. I don't know of a university study on this subject. Best wishes, Peter. - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: healthstudies Does anyone know of any health studies done on chemical farmers? If the negative effects of all the toxic sprays were to show up in one segment of the population it would be them. Not to mention the fact that they would also be inhaling all that genetically engineered pollen. I did hear one stat that serious prostate cancer was 50 times higher in chemical farmers
Re: Buddy, Can you paradigm?
In Scotland there is one type of sheep that lives on the coast and are actually kept there by stone walls. Their main diet is fresh seaweed. I have seen film of them actually swimming in rough seas to eat the living seaweed. Gil The Korrows wrote: How does salt fit in to this? Salt for humans also (who are not near an ocean or salt mine). Christy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:04 AM Subject: Re: Buddy, Can you paradigm? In a message dated 4/2/03 8:24:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'Well, you think that kelp is natural, but I'll tell you, there's nothing natural at all about beef eating seaweed. Tell the farmer that New England farmers would often bring their cows down to the beach to snack on seaweed, not so far out...sstorch
Re: Where did Jane go?
I know that Curtis Lang resigned as moderator of Global News, and I haven't seen any posts from Jane Sherry since. Has she left this list? Lance mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Jane has signed off BD Now! WE have a don't ask/don't tell policy, of course. -Allan
ADMIN - Decreasing Your Post Size
Friends - If you have a sizeable post to share with this group, please send it up in segments. Mark the sequence number in the subject e.g. 1/32 Things we use as subsoilers in Kansas, 2/32 Things we use as subsoilers in Kansas, etc Please keep the size of each packet at about 35k Please refrain from ever sending a message over 60k to BD Now! Thanks _Allan Balliett
RE: Raw Milk - Submission to Health Canada
Hugh, And we get some types we wouldn't have seen in raw milk, such as Listeria and Pasteurella. - is wrong. Listeria is found, if found, exclusively in raw milk. For that reason pregnant women are adviced to avoid dairy products made from fresh milk (here in Norway few years ago few dozens of women had miscarriages after eating French cammember cheese). Also I would never test my immunity drinking milk that might have tuberculosis. Strenght or weaknes of our immune system depends on so many factors. Regards Zoran
Fwd: [Market-farming] Tomato farming in the midst of war
In reading this article, I recognized a similarity in independence of spirit between many on this list, and the farmers described in the article. -Jill http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,929142,00.html Tomato republic Burhan Wazir discovers that a little thing like war does not prevent Iraqi farmers from focusing on life's priorities - such as getting their produce to market Thursday April 3, 2003 On the dusty and wind-torn flats that lead into Zubayr, a market town near Iraq's second largest city Basra, local farmers can often be seen tending to their tomatoes. The tomatoes - and I recently had the pleasure of tasting one - are large and sweet, rendered bright red with natural fertilisers. Each morning, wooden carts pulled by donkeys and laden with these ripe tomatoes make their way into the town centre. The tomatoes of southern Iraq are famed in the region for their taste. And the farmers here, unused to modern agriculture methods, diligently raise their plants to face the sun. Watching the field men work, and eventually tasting their produce, one realises the benefits of natural farming. The farmers, for the most part, are fascinating in their indifference to our presence. As we roar by in armoured vehicles, spitting up large clouds of dust, the farmers seem to pay no mind. Three weeks ago, the tanks darting past their fields would have been those of the Iraqi Republican Guard. Similarly, and I am sure of this, the farmers would have ignored them also. Their latest neighbours have provoked no curiosity. As the war in Iraq builds to a crescendo, with campaigns in both Baghdad and Basra at its centre, these farmers remain unaffected by our arrival. For nearly 50 years, perhaps longer, they have diligently tended fields and harvested their tomatoes. We see them walk around abandoned Iraqi tanks. Soon, perhaps, they will walk round the rubble left behind by coalition forces. Politicians, wars and all the trappings of western democracies are beyond them. In that way, I find, they enjoy a more fulfilling version of freedom. Zubayr's tomato farmers have come to expect nothing from the Ba'ath party: I am convinced they have no interest in accepting what we, the coalition invaders, have to offer them. As western conglomerates line up to civilise the countries at the heart of the American-defined axis of evil, containers of western branded goods will soon land at the nearby Basra International airport. I hope the farmers will reject their contents in favour of their own lifestyles. This is undoubtedly a dilemma in the forthcoming rebuilding of Iraq. The farmers of Zubayr, for example, do not use toothpaste - they are accustomed instead to using the herbal wood, sakh, favoured by Muslims in this part of the world. The benefits of sakh are multiple, and well documented. Similarly, they have had no need for soap, televisions, cars, pesticides and tractors. That may rapidly change as the west imposes its values on them. And while the elder generation of Zubayr's farmers will undoubtedly flinch at such modern accoutrements, their offspring, unfortunately, may not display such a strong affection for history. To me, it would be a nightmare to return here in 30 years time to find it littered with shopping centres, cafes, American tourists and electrical goods shops. Life here has always managed to survive the onslaught of invading armies in the past. To some it might appear medieval. To others it possesses a certain harmony. Still, as we drive past each morning, in a sandstorm of motorised rumbles and English chatter, the farmers continue to ignore us. They have yet to come forward and ask for aid. They have yet to stop our tanks and our trucks to plead for modern medicines. Instead, they are concerned with their own economic survival. Life revolves not around politicians, non-governmental organisations, shock and Awe or the legal machinations of the United Nations. There are more pressing matters in hand. Namely, the prompt delivery of those delicious, plump red tomatoes to the bustling local market. ___ Market-farming mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Get the list FAQ at: http://www.marketfarming.net/mflistfaq.htm
