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Steve, That is a great find and suggestion!It worked very well for me connected at 21.6!!! So the technologies exist to work with slow connection speeds... how do we find out how "they" did it? Perry Fyi, the PowerPoint can be viewed online The audio can be heard
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Allan, Hugh Lovel's excellent 3-hr. presentation at the Guelph Organic conference a couple years ago was professionally recorded and sold at the conference. I believe he retained a copy. Of course it's up to him whether he feels it appropriate to fwd to you.(or to copy). It was interspersed during one session with some references to his concurrent slideshow, but the wealth of his accessible verbal info would outweigh those non-visual factors. .manfred That sounds GREAT, manfred! -Allan
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A wav. file of 30 mins is 28mgs or so A CD would be best to send to you. OK G - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: Re: BD Now! Audio Files Twas thinking. If wav. is very common then I could probably put the files on my site and you have a link to that page? from you BD audio page. Saves alot of middle bisso. Glen Sorry, it's not the way the system works, Glen. I have to substantially massage the files so that they can be streamed. -Allan
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Allan, Hugh Lovel's excellent 3-hr. presentation at the Guelph Organic conference a couple years ago was professionally recorded and sold at the conference. I believe he retained a copy. Of course it's up to him whether he feels it appropriate to fwd to you.(or to copy). It was interspersed during one session with some references to his concurrent slideshow, but the wealth of his accessible verbal info would outweigh those non-visual factors. .manfred That sounds GREAT, manfred! -Allan Dear List, I do not have a copy. However, I have no objections to anyone with a copy sharing it. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
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Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll also. No computer audio equipment for listening here. (No CDs either, we're really stoneage.) Would you include the audio file web address in the BDNow ads that have run in Acres and Lilipoh? Or is that cluttering? __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
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Allan, The settings on Real Player go as low as 28.8... however, I usually log on at 24.. sometimes getting to 26.4 if I'm lucky!!! Perry - I didn't understand the extent of your problem. Anything under 28.8 is going to experience problems unknown to beta testers, etc. What do you need to get a faster connection? IS this just a modem thing or are your lines that poor? Folks - Think of Perry, please, when you do not edit your replies!! I bet we have readers with even lower connections. -Allan
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Thanks, my friend. It's good to hear that they are being made use of. I guess I was hoping that they would be more of a stimulus for discussion. Maybe I'll put counters on the files and then just assume the messages are getting out in the world. Thanks for the feedback, my friend. -Allan ?Allan: I have listened to all three presentations and I bought VANDANA SHIVA's books too. I think your effort is worthy even if just a handful of people get inspired and decide to do something about it.
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No computer audio equipment for listening here. (No CDs either, we're really stoneage.) Would you include the audio file web address in the BDNow ads that have run in Acres and Lilipoh? Or is that cluttering? Wow, Nancy! Let me know when you need suggestions for upgrading. What needs to be done is to move the audio files to www.gardeningforthefuture.com and give that as the BD Now! registration address.
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- Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:54 PM Subject: Re: BD Now! Audio Files Allan, The settings on Real Player go as low as 28.8... however, I usually log on at 24.. sometimes getting to 26.4 if I'm lucky!!! Perry - I didn't understand the extent of your problem. Anything under 28.8 is going to experience problems unknown to beta testers, etc. What do you need to get a faster connection? IS this just a modem thing or are your lines that poor? Folks - Think of Perry, please, when you do not edit your replies!! I bet we have readers with even lower connections. -Allan Allan I am on line now at 26.4 occassionally we might get 28k (a lucky break and not often) - our service is more reliable than some I have compared notes with in similar rural areas of the US but fast it is not - the cure to this is to download then play but download times equally slow - I think this is a situation where you might have to forget about a few of us. If we want to go fast we have to go play with sattellites - its real good but pricey. Incidentally this is not much of a problem with normal stuff of the list - text only messages however long are not that slow. Cheers Lloyd Charles
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I haven't noticed a lot of interest in the audio files that are posted at www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics Case in point: I made a call for other people's tapes and have received to replies. Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll also. Allan, a couple of points. 1) I'm surprised that you are tying up your own computer. I guess that's setting up Real files. It doesn't tie up to do the streaming does it? If so. then maybe you can find a non-profit server to host? It seems like a lot to ask of you. 2) Thanks for providing this valuable service. I'm really glad the resource is available. And having said that -- I haven't used it myself. I listened to a bit of some tapes but didn't want to take the time to listen to the whole thing. I work at my computer but somehow don't find it conducive to listen to, even for music. And audio lectures are a demanding media, you can't just let it pass by like video or jump forward/backward like text, you have to be involved to actually listen. So even tho I think this is a great resource, I'm not likely to be using it much. When I go into research mode and find a relevant tape, I would want to listen once and take some notes. That would be about it. I would probably not listen again tho I might reference the source material. BTW, I have it in mind to tape some future events, just don't have any ready at the moment. 3) On the lurker thing -- I'm not sure I get it. I don't always post on every subject and there are many times I wish others were as judicial. We get a lot of unneeded shlock on this list, in addition to comments that I highly value. That's freedom of expression, can't have one w/o the other. Overall, this is a great group, what's the problem? David Robison
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Alan I can appreciate that sound recordings of my presentations at your conference may be difficult to follow without the pictures. I have played around on my computer and can record audio (.wav) so that it replays on Real player and WIndows media player etc. I would be interested in recording a session or two for you if this fits your technology. I could send them over on a CD if the files are too big. What do you think? Glen - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:38 AM Subject: BD Now! Audio Files Folks - I haven't noticed a lot of interest in the audio files that are posted at www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics I've agreed to post the rest of the recordings from Sally Fallon's 2002 Weston A. Price conference, so there's another 7 or so files about to go up. Posting files takes a very long time. One one hour presentation can tie my computer up for 3 hours and myself up for almost that long. Don't get my wrong, I'm excited to make streaming sound available to students of biological farming and healthy eating, but I don't want to invest any more time and effort into this project if people are not able to utilize it. Case in point: I made a call for other people's tapes and have received to replies. Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll also.
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Alan I can appreciate that sound recordings of my presentations at your conference may be difficult to follow without the pictures. I have played around on my computer and can record audio (.wav) so that it replays on Real player and WIndows media player etc. I would be interested in recording a session or two for you if this fits your technology. I could send them over on a CD if the files are too big. What do you think? Glen Im very interested, Glen. You can put an hour in aiff on a CD (more or less) I can translate .wav also. I work on a Mac, but a Mac is open to most formats. Sounds very good, Glenn!! THANKS!!
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Allan, Hugh Lovel's excellent 3-hr. presentation at the Guelph Organic conference a couple years ago was professionally recorded and sold at the conference. I believe he retained a copy. Of course it's up to him whether he feels it appropriate to fwd to you.(or to copy). It was interspersed during one session with some references to his concurrent slideshow, but the wealth of his accessible verbal info would outweigh those non-visual factors. manfred
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Folks - I haven't noticed a lot of interest in the audio files that are posted at www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics I've agreed to post the rest of the recordings from Sally Fallon's 2002 Weston A. Price conference, so there's another 7 or so files about to go up. Posting files takes a very long time. One one hour presentation can tie my computer up for 3 hours and myself up for almost that long. Don't get my wrong, I'm excited to make streaming sound available to students of biological farming and healthy eating, but I don't want to invest any more time and effort into this project if people are not able to utilize it. Case in point: I made a call for other people's tapes and have received to replies. Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll also.
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Wow, Allen! I've sent people to the site to listen to Percy Schmeiser. I think you have the makings of a good site if you can get more items. Even if you can't I hope you leave what you have up. Patti Berg Allan Balliett wrote: Folks - I haven't noticed a lot of interest in the audio files that are posted at www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics I've agreed to post the rest of the recordings from Sally Fallon's 2002 Weston A. Price conference, so there's another 7 or so files about to go up. Posting files takes a very long time. One one hour presentation can tie my computer up for 3 hours and myself up for almost that long. Don't get my wrong, I'm excited to make streaming sound available to students of biological farming and healthy eating, but I don't want to invest any more time and effort into this project if people are not able to utilize it. Case in point: I made a call for other people's tapes and have received to replies. Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll also.
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Allan - When you posted the note about htttp://www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics a short while back, I went and listened to Percy Schmeiser. He was quite sincere and interesting to listen to. He struck a chord in my heart, and the activist spirit got to boiling about Monsanto police tactics. Seed is primal. We have got to protect farmers' rights to save seeds!! So I think the compilation of audio materials in a central location is well worth your effort, and over time the usage will grow and grow. In fact, I want to learn more about audio techniques and blend slides with audio for web-based delivery. Steve Diver
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Allan, I've got a tape of Fred Kirschenmann at the IFOAM conf. last summer. Let me know if you'd like it. My connection is slow, so theyare hard to listen to since it keeps stopping to reload. I reset the buffering time to a longer time, and that helps, butthat just makes it longer when it does stop... Anyone else having trouble listening or is it me... Is there a way to save the file? I thought I could right click -"Save target as", but it only saves the link and then reloads to RealPlayer to open. Perry Wow, Allen! I made a call for other people's tapes and have received to replies. Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll also.
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- Original Message - From: Perry Clutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: BD Now! Audio Files Allan, My connection is slow, so they are hard to listen to since it keeps stopping to reload. I reset the buffering time to a longer time, and that helps, but that just makes it longer when it does stop... Anyone else having trouble listening or is it me... Is there a way to save the file? I thought I could right click - Save target as, but it only saves the link and then reloads to RealPlayer to open. Perry Hi Perry I have the same problem - i think my computer is not up to the job - i get about one minute play then about four minute reloading the buffer (whatever that is) Lloyd Charles
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It's my understanding that internal settings in the Real Audio player will make it effetive with connections as slow as 48k. Have you guys set up all those prefs to let the software know how slow your connection is? Have you tried doubling the memory allotment see how that affects the performance? And, if the above fails, howabout one or the other of you contacting Real Audio to see if we can find a solution. Myself, when I was doing this stuff on a modem, making those custom settings made all the difference. llan, My connection is slow, so they are hard to listen to since it keeps stopping to reload. I reset the buffering time to a longer time, and that helps, but that just makes it longer when it does stop... Anyone else having trouble listening or is it me... Is there a way to save the file? I thought I could right click - Save target as, but it only saves the link and then reloads to RealPlayer to open. Perry Hi Perry I have the same problem - i think my computer is not up to the job - i get about one minute play then about four minute reloading the buffer (whatever that is) Lloyd Charles
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Wow, Allen! I've sent people to the site to listen to Percy Schmeiser. I think you have the makings of a good site if you can get more items. Even if you can't I hope you leave what you have up. Patti Berg Good to hear of your good work, Patti! Thanks for passing the word! -Allan
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I've got a tape of Fred Kirschenmann at the IFOAM conf. last summer. Let me know if you'd like it. This w.b. awesome. A copy of your tape is preferred. Allan Balliett POB 3047 Shepherdstown, WV 25443
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In fact, I want to learn more about audio techniques and blend slides with audio for web-based delivery. Steve Diver YOu mean a recording of a speaker with the accompanying slides? That's the next step here. If you mean set up your powerpoint presentations with voiceover, then I recommend reconsideration. Everyone wants things to move faster, and all that. Thanks for the feedback. -Allan
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Steve - It dawns on me that you, of all people, would probably have tapes to contribute to this effort. -Allan
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Allan, The settings on Real Playergo as low as 28.8... however, I usually log on at 24.. sometimes getting to 26.4 if I'm lucky!!!I did see a toggle that will allow the whole file to download before playing. I'll give that a try tomorrow. That would at leastbe a better way to hear it without distraction. I'll write Real and get their suggestions for slow connections too. Perry internal settings in the Real Audio player will make it effective with connections as slow as 48k.And, if the above fails, howabout one or the other of you contacting Real Audio to see if we can find a solution.
