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Well I like machine stirring. The big question today is how many folks that started a greg willis program are still on it, granted that a stirring machine can sit unused too but it tends to get used more than hand stirring for 100acres or more...sstorch In a message dated 4/2/03 9:10:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hugh Lovel said he likes human-powered BD prep stirring that is done with a tripod stirrer over a barrell, the kind made by Greg Willis, that they made a real nice vortex. These were in use at Topolos Vineyard in Sonoma County. Slide #3 and #4 in the RealSlideShow on my farm home web page shows the tripod stirring device and the vortex, from the Biodynamic Viticulture Field Day at Topolos Vineyard a few years back when Hugh was teaching with Peter Proctor over at Steiner College.
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The tripod and the wine barrell and the vortex are the focus of the pictures and accompanying story. I don't guess the water carrying information cares if it is the face of Greg Willis or Lady Galadriel who is staring down into the vortex... though the thoughts of an Elf Queen might be more interesting. Peter Bacchus says he ties a bamboo cane to a tree branch up above to fashion a stirring pole. That is an image worth repeating. The ergonomic stirring effect would be similar to a pole handing down from a tripod. Flow forms stirring is appealing for large batches, if you can afford them or make one yourself. Steve Diver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I like machine stirring. The big question today is how many folks that started a greg willis program are still on it, granted that a stirring machine can sit unused too but it tends to get used more than hand stirring for 100acres or more...sstorch
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In a message dated 3/14/03 11:08:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you sure it is an orgone accumulator that you are going to build and not a cloudbuster. Reich's accumulator is very powerful, and dangerous. It accumulates positive and negative energy; the operator cannot be around the machine for more than short periods of time and if contacted can cause serious physical harm. A cloudbuster is an orgone generator, keeps the energy moving. It is said to cause headaches in some people though my partner and I have never experienced them. They woud be safe to use, and in my experience attract moisture if it is in the area. I do not know if there is any way to measure output other than dowsing. We may not have ours located in the optimum spot, just handy. Working with subtle and not so subtle energies, err on the side of caution. Dwayne, can you see the orgone??? I observe it as a first measure of the health of a farm or place. Viewed through the atmosphere of a place treated with the bd remedies it is very organized and has a consistant pattern [energy]. Viewed from a place treated with chemicals it is less visable and disorganized. James DeMeo walks around with a small orgone accumulator blanket, this is what I am going to make to wrap around the stirring machine. I would like to build a cloudbuster next. The chemtrails are very common here, National Air Guard commeercial and passenger flights constantly in the air. In the Summer thunderstorm weather for weeks and no rain is produced, constipated skies, yuo can feel it. Maybe the stirring machine with the accumulator and the bd remedies will be enough to produce consistant rain, otherwise I will build a cloud buster... sstorch, Yankee Agricultural Institute, Water Mill, NY
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In a message dated 3/14/03 10:48:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your idea of orgone accumulation around your stirring vessel isn't bad in
and of itself, but directing it with a cloudbuster array may have merit,
especially on days when the ether is mostly unhealthy and there's plenty of
DOR. The orgone accumulater, which is non-directional, would simply pick up
the DOR, while with the cloudbuster array you might be able to aim it
overhead at some relatively healthy point and draw a stream of healthy
ether.
Hugh,
The stirring machine actually does organize and accumulate orgone. I have
also observed {if my eyes don't deceive me] the opening of energy portals,
mainly from the northeasterly/ northern direction. Maybe I cannot see the
others due to the position of the Sun. I have not seen a cloudbuster in
person, only from a picture. The weather is so disturbed here that the bd's
by themselves sometimes do not cause rain. I thought this type of design may
help more than either alone, but I would love to trya cloudbuster. DeMeo
wants me to take some classes with him though first. It could be that I am
getting closer to taking the help of a fb.
Do you think that the positive energy of the stirring with the bd's would
eliminate the dor? Steiner after all said not to worry too much about
contamination, it may be good for the process and it is present
anyway...sstorch
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sstorch, The idea with the blanket around the stirring tank sounds good. I have heard of someone putting a blanket around a gas tank and achieving large increase in mileage, something I am going to try soon. Something to consider would be making a HHG, a small generator, and placing it in or under the tank. The HHG takes minimal parts and time to make and is effective also. I am not sensitive to see energy, though I know that our cloudbusters work, I have challenged ours a couple of times in the beginning to prove their worth and they always performed past the point of coincidence. I am convinced. DwayneDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online
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S Storch writes:
The stirring machine actually does organize and accumulate orgone. I have
also observed {if my eyes don't deceive me] the opening of energy portals,
mainly from the northeasterly/ northern direction. Maybe I cannot see the
others due to the position of the Sun. I have not seen a cloudbuster in
person, only from a picture. The weather is so disturbed here that the bd's
by themselves sometimes do not cause rain. I thought this type of design may
help more than either alone, but I would love to trya cloudbuster. DeMeo
wants me to take some classes with him though first. It could be that I am
getting closer to taking the help of a fb.
Do you think that the positive energy of the stirring with the bd's would
eliminate the dor? Steiner after all said not to worry too much about
contamination, it may be good for the process and it is present
anyway...sstorch
Dear Steve,
As I imagine you have already observed, good, healthy OR is what goes on
when the atmosphere is fresh and sparkly and there is no haze. Clouds, if
present have sharp, clear definition. You feel energetic and of good cheer
without even thinking about it.
DOR is where the haze sets in and the atmosphere gets heavy and oppressive.
The horizon has a brown or at least a grey haze like well dispersed smoke.
Clouds, if present occur above this haze and they seem to struggle to form
or to condense any precipitation. It makes you feel sweaty, oily and
lackluster. And you may feel grumpy, petulant, even mean, but it almost
seems to be at everything and anything.
As you can imagine there are folks who seem to go around with a lot of OR
energy, and others who seem thoroughly permeated with--even seem to
generate--DOR.
Stirring and spraying Steiner's agricultural remedies and the permutations
thereof DO tend to remediate DOR. Think how a morning application of horn
silica adds a cheer and sparkle to the air. But what has gone on in
biodynamics so far is no final answer, as many have wished to believe. We
still have many problems, especially as the world around us has long been
getting much worse while we have only made things a wee bit better.
I've long perceived you as one of those who takes seriously Steiner's
injunction to start with his general indications and find what the best
ways of implementing them may be. That's bleepin' admirable, mate. But if
you were thinking of building a cloudbuster to get regular rainfall I'd
agree with De Meo that you should take some courses from him first--except
how would you do that with someone who, as Lloyd Charles put it, is coming
from a position of authority and dumping a bucket on the whole thing.?
So with your energy and mechanical expertise build yourself a chembuster
and set it up on your farm. Build two and give one to JPI. Build three and
sell me one.
Here's one of our problems in BD--making preps of the highest quality. We
are making these remedies in an environment filled with DOR and tending to
get worse, not better. Sure, we've gotten our farms somewhat better, and as
we do we make better remedies. But from the sound of things we could make a
big leap forward in prep quality by chembusting in the locations where our
remedies are made. Then we would make better preps and by stirring and
spraying them in these environments--or field broadcasting them
likewise--we would accomplish even greater increases in organization of the
ether. And if you made an orgone accumulator out of your stirring machine
in this environment you should have very little DOR in your sprays and a
whole lot of really organized etheric energy. God only knows how high the
quality of your food would go.
Market this system to others, and above all give it away for free because
there's no way in a thousand years that you can do all that needs to be
done yourself. For one thing chembusting with the BB preps would benefit
from more R D than you alone can give it. If you need, I'll help you
publicize the details so we can get this show on the road and stop mucking
around.
God how I would like to wipe out whingeing victimhood and other
misemotions, which is amongst the chief reasons Steiner developed his
agricultural remedies and gave his agriculture course in the first place.
How did Pfeiffer put it in his preface to the Agriculture Course? I was
particularly anxious to get an answer to the question of how to build
abridge to active participation and the carrying out of spiritual
intentions without being pulled off the right path by personal ambition,
illusions and petty jealousies, for these were the negative qualities
Rudolf Steiner had named as the main inner hindrances. I guess he left out
lapsing into snivveling victimhood, though petty jealousy includes a heap
of whining in its mix.
Well, think about it.
Best,
Hugh
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orgone and stirring
What would you think about an orgone accumulator built around my stirring machine. I have just recieved the materials and am going to try it...??? sstorch From this and your other post it looks like I'd be interested in your cloudbuster's design. Reich's original cloudbuster was intended specifically to suck up DOR and channel it into running water, as were Reich's medical DORbusters, which were smaller versions of the same sort. Though I am not currently working with cloudbusters I've spent roughly 18 years investigating the subject via such folks as James De Meo, Joel Carlinsky, and a fellow from out in Ojai, California whose name escapes me at the moment, all of whom attest to the kind of care that should go into operating such equipment. Not Trevor Constable, though I've encountered a good bit of material about him, as well as another Californian by the name of Bob Nelson and an Idahoan by the name of Jerome Eden. I've also seen several designs, some much more effective, and thus potentially more dangerous, than others. It's quite possible yours is a relatively safe design. Many years back a fellow Georgian, Galen Hieronymus built and sold some cloudbusters that were virtually harmless, and I've built a couple pretty harmless ones myself back when I didn't understand their design potentials nearly as well as I do today. So it might be interesting to see what your design is like and discuss what might be done to more closely approach Reich's design which he wrote about using in his last book CONTACT WITH SPACE, a bootleg copy of which I once read courtesy of someone who knew the fellow who stole a copy from the Reich archives at Organon in Maine (administered by Mary Higgins who never permitted anyone any access to Reich's papers, including Christopher Bird, a friend, author and researcher who otherwise did extensive research towards writing a book about Reich's orgone research
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What would you think about an orgone accumulator built around my stirring machine. I have just recieved the materials and am going to try it...??? I assume you've read DeMeo's book on that topic? That book is the reason that we do not have an accumulator in our house. -Allan
Re: orgone and stirring
What would you think about an orgone accumulator built around my stirring machine. I have just recieved the materials and am going to try it...??? sstorch From this and your other post it looks like I'd be interested in your cloudbuster's design. Reich's original cloudbuster was intended specifically to suck up DOR and channel it into running water, as were Reich's medical DORbusters, which were smaller versions of the same sort. Dear Steve, Your idea of orgone accumulation around your stirring vessel isn't bad in and of itself, but directing it with a cloudbuster array may have merit, especially on days when the ether is mostly unhealthy and there's plendy of DOR. The orgone accumulater, which is non-directional, would simply pick up the DOR, while with the cloudbuster array you might be able to aim it overhead at some relatively healthy point and draw a stream of healthy ether. Best, Dude, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: orgone and stirring
Are you sure it is an orgone accumulator that you are going to build and not a cloudbuster. Reich's accumulator is very powerful, and dangerous. It accumulates positive and negative energy; the operator cannot be around the machine for more than short periods of time and if contacted can cause serious physical harm. A cloudbuster is an orgone generator, keeps the energy moving. It is said to cause headaches in some people though my partner and I have never experienced them. They woud be safe to use, and in my experience attract moisture if it is in the area. I do not know if there is any way to measure output other than dowsing. We may not have ours located in the optimum spot, just handy. Working with subtle and not so subtle energies, err on the side of caution. DwayneDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online
Re: orgone and stirring
Are you sure it is an orgone accumulator that you are going to build and not a cloudbuster. Reich's accumulator is very powerful, and dangerous. It accumulates positive and negative energy; the operator cannot be around the machine for more than short periods of time and if contacted can cause serious physical harm. A cloudbuster is an orgone generator, keeps the energy moving. It is said to cause headaches in some people though my partner and I have never experienced them. They woud be safe to use, and in my experience attract moisture if it is in the area. I do not know if there is any way to measure output other than dowsing. We may not have ours located in the optimum spot, just handy. Working with subtle and not so subtle energies, err on the side of caution. Dwayne Do you Yahoo!? http://rd.yahoo.com/webhosting/mail_tagline/evt=7748/*http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/wh3/prod/>Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online Dear Dwayne, By now you should have gotten my post on BDnow clearing this up . If not, let me know. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
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I have two newly constructed stirring machines available capable of stirring eighty gallons, hydraulically driven[no electric]- can be run off a tractor, manually change direction, your intent must be there. $5000 US FOB freight...sstorch Your intent is well manifest when you ante up to the invoice. -Allan
