Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-04 Thread brian d foy
In article
a81c2f2d0910312221p526adb5cg56a0b88516597...@mail.gmail.com,
raphael() raphael.j...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just finished reading 'Learning Perl'  I was wondering if someone
 could point me to the book Perl Study Guide,
 also called Learning Perl Student Workbook. It's a companion book to
 Learning Perl but is not available in my country.
 
 I was hoping if someone could give me a link to a soft copy (an ebook).


I'll try to respond to all of the messages in the thread with just this
one message. If, in the end, you cannot get your hands on a copy of the
book for whatever reason, please contact me personally and we'll see
what we can work out. If I have to buy a box of them and ship them
myself, it wouldn't be the first time I've done that.  That assumes
that O'Reilly has any for me to buy, though.

The Learning Perl Student Workbook, which I've also called the Learning
Perl Study Guide, is a companion booklet to Learning Perl, 4th Edition.
It has several extra exercises for each chapter, along with detailed
answers for each.

O'Reilly never meant the booklet to be on the market. It was part of a
program to bundle it with Learning Perl through another publisher who
supplied textbooks to schools. The school would buy the bundle as a
value-added, shrinkwrapped single thing. That's why it isn't in the
normal Perl catalog and doesn't show up on my author page.

Somehow, Amazon got their hands on a bunch of them. I don't know how,
but I expect a lot of them leaked out through a distributor. That other
publisher never had them in their catalog either, and I could never
find out how to buy that bundle. I expect that the sales people never
pushed it, for whatever reason. My guess, which is complete
speculation, is the someone needed floor space in a warehouse so boxes
of my booklet got dumped on a distributor that Amazon uses. If that's
the case, I'm guessing that O'Reilly doesn't have any copies which is
why they don't sell them. I'll try to verify that this week though.

The way I wrote the booklet is also odd. It was a work-for-hire, which
is not usual. That means I have no rights to the content, I get no
royalties, and so on. It's not a normal book in the sense that the
publisher sells it and distributes money. My name is on the cover, but
I'm not really connected to it like I am with any of my other O'Reilly
books. You don't see it on my O'Reilly author page, for instance.
I'm also the sole writer of the book, so bugging Randal, as some people
have suggested, won't help much. He'd be guessing as much as I am.

I'm finishing another book this month, and after that a new edition of
a Learning Perl Student Workbook is on my list of things to write. 

Now, if anyone finds a digital copy, please let me know. I want one too
since I seemed to have misplaced the original sources.

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Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-02 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Monday 02 Nov 2009 07:19:30 Uri Guttman wrote:
  RW == Raymond Wan r@aist.go.jp writes:
 
   RW Uri Guttman wrote:
mb == mahesh bhasme mbha...@gmail.com writes:
 
   mb Hi,
   mb below link might help to u
 
that is exactly what randal said he didn't want to see, a bootleg copy
of his book. you won't be getting any more help from him and probably
most of the experts here. that copy is illegal and takes income out of
randal's pocket. do you understand what that is?
 
   RW Perhaps the blame should be equally leveled at the web site and maybe
   RW it should be brought to the attention of O'Reilly?
 
 sure o'reilly should be notified but the poster is to be blamed since he
 must know about this. randal even mentioned it not too long ago.
 
   RW Not every book that is on-line is illegal and this might confuse some
   RW people.  (Two examples I can think of are the O'Reilly Mason book and
   RW the SVN book...at least, the last time I checked.)
 
 a few of their books are released for free on the net. not any of the
 perl books afaik.
 

Some O'Reilly Perl books (not on the core topics) are available online:

* http://books.perl.org/onlinebooks

In my opinion, this a relatively poor selection of books, though I'm aware of 
some other books besides those:

http://perl-begin.org/books/

I've written about why books should be made available online here:

http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/closed-books-are-so-19th-
century/

(short URL - http://shlom.in/closed-books )

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-02 Thread Peter Scott
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:07:19 +0900, Raymond Wan wrote:
 Perhaps the blame should be equally leveled at the web site and maybe it
 should be brought to the attention of O'Reilly?

You can bet O'Reilly knows about it. Those .ua sites have been going for 
years.  Hard for a little US company to get take-down orders enforced in 
the Ukraine.

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Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-02 Thread Parag Kalra
Hey Folks,

This thread was about book - 'Learning Perl Student Workbook' and not the
book - 'Learning Perl'

So is there a way we can buy genuine/official/legal ebook version of
'Learning Perl Student Workbook' from somewhere.

If yes then please redirect us to the same.

Cheers,
Parag




On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Peter Scott pe...@psdt.com wrote:

 On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:07:19 +0900, Raymond Wan wrote:
  Perhaps the blame should be equally leveled at the web site and maybe it
  should be brought to the attention of O'Reilly?

 You can bet O'Reilly knows about it. Those .ua sites have been going for
 years.  Hard for a little US company to get take-down orders enforced in
 the Ukraine.

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Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-02 Thread Telemachus
On Mon Nov 02 2009 @  9:33, Parag Kalra wrote:
 Hey Folks,
 
 This thread was about book - 'Learning Perl Student Workbook' and not the
 book - 'Learning Perl'
 
 So is there a way we can buy genuine/official/legal ebook version of
 'Learning Perl Student Workbook' from somewhere.
 
 If yes then please redirect us to the same.
 
 Cheers,
 Parag
I feel a bit like Echo, but here's my third time saying this in one thread.
You can get the workbook from Amazon here:

http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Perl-Student-Workbook-brian/dp/0596009968/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=books+qid=1257076787sr=8-1

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Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-02 Thread tom smith
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Telemachus telemac...@arpinum.org wrote:

 On Mon Nov 02 2009 @  9:33, Parag Kalra wrote:
  Hey Folks,
 
  This thread was about book - 'Learning Perl Student Workbook' and not the
  book - 'Learning Perl'
 
  So is there a way we can buy genuine/official/legal ebook version of
  'Learning Perl Student Workbook' from somewhere.
 
  If yes then please redirect us to the same.
 
  Cheers,
  Parag




 I feel a bit like Echo, but here's my third time saying this in one thread.
 You can get the workbook from Amazon here:


 http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Perl-Student-Workbook-brian/dp/0596009968/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=books+qid=1257076787sr=8-1

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use strict;
use warnings;

$\ = \n;

my @book_types = ('hard cover book', 'soft cover book', 'ebook');

if ('soft cover book' eq 'ebook') {
print 'yes';
} else {
print 'no';
}

--output:--
no


Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-02 Thread Telemachus
On Mon Nov 02 2009 @  7:14, tom smith wrote:
 use strict;
 use warnings;
 
 $\ = \n;
 
 my @book_types = ('hard cover book', 'soft cover book', 'ebook');
 
 if ('soft cover book' eq 'ebook') {
 print 'yes';
 } else {
 print 'no';
 }
 
 --output:--
 no
Right. The original post in this thread (it was from sometime in 1960 it
feels like) mentioned that the book wasn't available  for purchase by the
original poster (raphael), and I quote: [the book] is not available in my
country.

My responses have been directed at that. The book is available from Amazon,
and I believe (still - all these posts later) that Amazon ships books all
over.

That said, an e-book would probably be even easier (and possibly
significantly cheaper, depending on shipping). As far as I know, however,
the workbook for Learning Perl has never been available as an ebook. I
think that brian d foy originally sold it himself, and only later did it
become available through stores. At least, that's what I can guess from
this page: http://www.theperlreview.com/learning_perl_study_guide/

brian doesn't post here much (ever?), but Randal may chime in. I'm done.

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Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-01 Thread Parag Kalra
google doesn't turn up any soft copies ?? Is any electronic copy of this
book even there?

Even I am not sure if there is any soft copy available or not...Lets wait
till we get input from other members of the mailing list...

Cheers,
Parag




On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM, raphael() raphael.j...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Parag Kalra paragka...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Raphael,

 This is a good find. I was not knowing this. I have been posting from 1
 forum to other forum for books on Perl exercises and today I came to know
 one from you. Thanks a lot.

 I am expecting it to be as good as the 'Learning Perl' book.

 Now even I am want to buy the soft copy of it. I checked amazon.com but
 they seem to sell the hard copy so that won't solve our purpose.

 Anyone having any idea, from where can we purchase the ebook of 'Learning
 Perl Student Workbook'.

 May be Randal who is the original author of the book  the owner of
 Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc and also the member of this mailing list
 would be in a better position to answer our question. :)

 Cheers,
 Parag



 Hey Parag,


 http://www.flipkart.com/learning-perl-student-workbook-brian/0596009968-i1w3fml3ud

 this is twice the price of Learning Perl Indian Edition  Amazon sell the
 hard copy of  thrice the price of the book here!
 If I cannot find the soft copy anywhere I'll buy flipkart one. I had bought
 Learning Perl for Rs.325

 google doesn't turn up any soft copies ?? Is any electronic copy of this
 book even there?

 ps: I live in India



Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-01 Thread Telemachus
On Sun Nov 01 2009 @ 10:51, raphael() wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I just finished reading 'Learning Perl'  I was wondering if someone
 could point me to the book Perl Study Guide,
 also called Learning Perl Student Workbook. It's a companion book to
 Learning Perl but is not available in my country.
 
 I was hoping if someone could give me a link to a soft copy (an ebook).

I hope that you're not looking for a pirated pdf copy.

Amazon ships all over the world, don't they?

http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Perl-Student-Workbook-brian/dp/0596009968/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1257076787sr=8-1

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Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-01 Thread Telemachus
On Sun Nov 01 2009 @ 12:32, Parag Kalra wrote:
 google doesn't turn up any soft copies ?? Is any electronic copy of this
 book even there?
 
 Even I am not sure if there is any soft copy available or not...Lets wait
 till we get input from other members of the mailing list...
 
 Cheers,
 Parag
I'm not entirely sure, but I think that this book was only every for sale
as a softcover. In any case, Amazon does have softcovers:

http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Perl-Student-Workbook-brian/dp/0596009968/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1257076787sr=8-1

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Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-01 Thread Parag Kalra
This is strange - If I am not wrong this book is published by O'Reilly
publications but their site contains no information about it.

Have a look -
http://oreilly.com/pub/topic/perl?
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1071

Cheers,
Parag




On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Telemachus telemac...@arpinum.org wrote:

 On Sun Nov 01 2009 @ 12:32, Parag Kalra wrote:
  google doesn't turn up any soft copies ?? Is any electronic copy of
 this
  book even there?
 
  Even I am not sure if there is any soft copy available or not...Lets wait
  till we get input from other members of the mailing list...
 
  Cheers,
  Parag
 I'm not entirely sure, but I think that this book was only every for sale
 as a softcover. In any case, Amazon does have softcovers:


 http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Perl-Student-Workbook-brian/dp/0596009968/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1257076787sr=8-1

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Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-01 Thread mahesh bhasme
Hi,
below link might help to u
http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/perl/learn/


On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:51 AM, raphael() raphael.j...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

I just finished reading 'Learning Perl'  I was wondering if someone
 could point me to the book Perl Study Guide,
 also called Learning Perl Student Workbook. It's a companion book to
 Learning Perl but is not available in my country.

 I was hoping if someone could give me a link to a soft copy (an ebook).




-- 
Thanks,
MAhesh


Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-01 Thread Uri Guttman
 mb == mahesh bhasme mbha...@gmail.com writes:

  mb Hi,
  mb below link might help to u

that is exactly what randal said he didn't want to see, a bootleg copy
of his book. you won't be getting any more help from him and probably
most of the experts here. that copy is illegal and takes income out of
randal's pocket. do you understand what that is?

uri

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Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-01 Thread Raymond Wan



Uri Guttman wrote:

mb == mahesh bhasme mbha...@gmail.com writes:


  mb Hi,
  mb below link might help to u

that is exactly what randal said he didn't want to see, a bootleg copy
of his book. you won't be getting any more help from him and probably
most of the experts here. that copy is illegal and takes income out of
randal's pocket. do you understand what that is?



Perhaps the blame should be equally leveled at the web site and maybe it 
should be brought to the attention of O'Reilly?


Not every book that is on-line is illegal and this might confuse some 
people.  (Two examples I can think of are the O'Reilly Mason book and 
the SVN book...at least, the last time I checked.)


But yes, that one in particular looks suspicious...

Ray



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Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-11-01 Thread Uri Guttman
 RW == Raymond Wan r@aist.go.jp writes:

  RW Uri Guttman wrote:
   mb == mahesh bhasme mbha...@gmail.com writes:
   
  mb Hi,
  mb below link might help to u
   
   that is exactly what randal said he didn't want to see, a bootleg copy
   of his book. you won't be getting any more help from him and probably
   most of the experts here. that copy is illegal and takes income out of
   randal's pocket. do you understand what that is?


  RW Perhaps the blame should be equally leveled at the web site and maybe
  RW it should be brought to the attention of O'Reilly?

sure o'reilly should be notified but the poster is to be blamed since he
must know about this. randal even mentioned it not too long ago.

  RW Not every book that is on-line is illegal and this might confuse some
  RW people.  (Two examples I can think of are the O'Reilly Mason book and
  RW the SVN book...at least, the last time I checked.)

a few of their books are released for free on the net. not any of the
perl books afaik.

uri

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Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-10-31 Thread raphael()
Hi,

I just finished reading 'Learning Perl'  I was wondering if someone
could point me to the book Perl Study Guide,
also called Learning Perl Student Workbook. It's a companion book to
Learning Perl but is not available in my country.

I was hoping if someone could give me a link to a soft copy (an ebook).


Re: Learning Perl Student Workbook

2009-10-31 Thread Parag Kalra
Hi Raphael,

This is a good find. I was not knowing this. I have been posting from 1
forum to other forum for books on Perl exercises and today I came to know
one from you. Thanks a lot.

I am expecting it to be as good as the 'Learning Perl' book.

Now even I am want to buy the soft copy of it. I checked amazon.com but they
seem to sell the hard copy so that won't solve our purpose.

Anyone having any idea, from where can we purchase the ebook of 'Learning
Perl Student Workbook'.

May be Randal who is the original author of the book  the owner of
Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc and also the member of this mailing list
would be in a better position to answer our question. :)

Cheers,
Parag



On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:51 AM, raphael() raphael.j...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

I just finished reading 'Learning Perl'  I was wondering if someone
 could point me to the book Perl Study Guide,
 also called Learning Perl Student Workbook. It's a companion book to
 Learning Perl but is not available in my country.

 I was hoping if someone could give me a link to a soft copy (an ebook).