Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
[`] ZWJ [\] ZWNJ +1 I agree with reasoning of Dipankarda and Runa regarding hasanta. Cheers, Golam - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 5/9/07, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [`] ZWJ [\] ZWNJ +1 I agree with reasoning of Dipankarda and Runa regarding hasanta. Great, so most of us seems ok with above one! :-) Any more changes? Best, -Jamil - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 5/9/07, Runa B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: das wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:43 -0400, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: Since, usability is the main issue, I also agree with Deepayan on relocation of 'hasant'. [ \ ] intuitaviely resembles more like actual hasanta than current [ / ]. This point has occurred to me too, time and again. If [\] does anything, that should be 'hasanta'. But there is a problem. While typing, all the more used things should always be within the three main rows. Use of 'hasanta' is not at all that common in modern Bangla, but the other job that is done by [/] now is conjoining, and that is pretty common, almost once every word in average, or even more than that. And moving just the little finger of the right hand helps in keeping up the speed, that will not be true for [\], every time for a conjoined letter right palm will get physically moved, when the bases of both the palms are fixed on the table, that is the natural position of the palms, and the healthy one for typing for long periods of time (ergonomic too). By just stretching the right little finger you cannot get [\]. You have to move it. This is true for both the keyboards I use, the TVS-Gold (it is a quite reputed one) and even the cramped keyboard of the Acer Aspire 3002 laptop. So, I think it will be true for any keyboard. This speed thing is so very important for the heavy bulk Bangla writers. So, I think, in no way it will be prudent at all to give the conjoining function to the [\] key. I absolutely support Dipankarda's views here about the hasanta. Moving it to \ is an inconvenient way of writing conjuncts. Secondly, about DS' query regarding (in)frequent usage of ZWJ: Sayam's blog entry regarding the matter is pretty much conclusive http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/2007/04/09/ra-japhala-in-bengali-bn-and-unicode-50/ Unicode rules prescribe the usage of ZWJ (and not ZWNJ) for writing ra-japhala. quote-from-blog/book …Unicode Standard adopts the convention of placing the character U+200D ZWJ immediately after the ra to obtain the ra-yaphaala… /quote-from-blog/book Yes, my point was (and still is) that this use of ZWJ is very very infrequent compared to the use of ZWNJ. At one point you suggested that we have ZWNJ on a shift key and ZWJ on a non-shift key, and I was trying to understand your reasons for that. Since ZWNJ is also used by Uniscribe's older versions perhaps the Again, we seem to have a misunderstanding. Your implication seems to be that ZWNJ no longer has any valid use. Is that what you are trying to suggest? following scheme can be adopted to keep both on non-shift keys: [`] ZWJ [\] ZWNJ I'll be perfectly happy with that. -Deepayan - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 5/8/07, das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:14 -0700, Deepayan Sarkar wrote: Hope that helps. Yeah, it helped. Thank you for this. Why don't you write a good Bangla primer on these things and related matters? Can you suggest me a bit more documentation on Unicode and Bangla, not very technical though, I am no developer. Not those on the unicode-org site. Is there any? Good but simple and short? Why don't you write one in Bangla? The trick is not in writing a guide, the trick is to make people read it. Where would you suggest I put it? Sometimes answers-on-demand are just easier :-) -Deepayan - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 13:24 -0700, Deepayan Sarkar wrote: The trick is not in writing a guide, the trick is to make people read it. Where would you suggest I put it? Sometimes answers-on-demand are just easier :-) No, I am sorry. People really read when they need it. The GNU-Linux book that I wrote in Bangla was kept on the GLT site for a long time. Around two years. Then, when we got the information that a lot of copies are getting printed out in different colleges, we decided to publish in hard copy primarily because the cost of a book for a student will be much less than a print-out. And, this Unicode and Bangla together is going to be there for a very very long time to come. A lot of people will start learning what it is. Why the Dictionary project of GMH does excite me that much? We are yet to enter into an electronic age, at least in Bangla, most probably because we lack an OCR, breaking the crucial text-database linkage. The whole Bangla lineage is entirely absent electronically. But, it will come, together with this Unicode thing that you people are doing here. Websites and database sites full of Unicode Bangla text: this is the future: we will need it, and as we need, people will read the primer too. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
