Re: Continental Airlines
Continental was wonderful. Delta is unbearable as far as restrictions, evidently they must have had a bad experience. I brought a bitch to Newark to ship on Delta, they would not take her because I didn't have photo ID (stupid me). Then my husband took her back again two days later, and Delta told us a 500 vari-kennel was too small for the bitch. (bull). (Imagine now, we have driven a total of 500 miles to ship this bitch, my husband is ripping and saying we should have just driven the bitch to Chicago, it would have been easier...) Beleive it or not, Delta told us that Continental, American or US Air would take the dog (what a marketing scheme Delta has...lol) . Off my husband went to the Continental terminal! The people were wonderful and bent over backwards to accomodate us. Not only did we get the dog shipped, but had a direct, rather than stop-over flight. She actually arrived sooner on Continental then she would have if we shipped her on the original Delta flight!!! I have used Delta several times, but I am now a Continental girl Joanne Gerow, Indian Hill Original Message - From: ttk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: Continental Airlines Anybody have any thoughts/experience flying Continental with your Berner? Thanks in advance.
Re: Hesse
Hi...his tear ducts have recovered and his eye was a little bit affected (as one might expect I guess) but it still functions. As to the hair, it is coming back slowly. Am told it will be all white. All in all he appears to be as he was prior to the treatment. He is such a good boy. On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Fran Jones wrote: Hi Jordan So glad to see Hesse up and around. I can't help wondering whether his eye was affected by the radiation treatment or not. Also, will his lovely fur grow back or has the treatment destroyed the hair follicles on the side of his face? Give your boy a big hug and belly scritch from us. Fran Sisco West Vancouver, BC -- ~~~ Jordan S. Dill SoVerNet: Vermont's Sovereign Internet Connection National Mobile Communications Corp. SoVerNetPO Box 495, 5 Rockingham St.276 East Allen Suite 2 Vmx. #146 Bellows Falls, VT 05101 Winooski, VT 05404 v - 802 463-2111 vmx.#146 Toll Free (877)877-2120 f - 802-463-2110f - 802-655-7291 PGP public key sent upon request
Re: Socialization of dogs
Excellent points Rose. The first berner does not show any fear when he ducks from an unwelcome pat. His tail is still up (he walks with quite the raised 'banner'). It appears as though he's saying hey, I haven't given you the OK to touch me, I'm still checking you out. Not a bad thing by any means. And the one bark he belts out is quite a deep, throaty bark. Not continual, not annoying, just one HEY (in dog language sound like a bark :-)). And like I said he's VERY cuddly with those he knows. The second berner is still young (18 months), and like I said, the 'baby' of the family. He's got two older ones who seem to do a fine job of being reserved. He may become more aloof, or he may stay his same goofy self. Either is fine. As with everything in dog-dome, I find behaviour of dogs so fascinating. And because the variables had changed so drastically between both dogs, I was wondering what they were born with and what they get from training class, and the rest of life experiences. Jenn Popp Healthy Paws Bones and Raw Food Diet http://www.healthy-paws.ca Toronto, Ontario (Canada) 416-264-1313 / email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] You say your first dog is initially reserved with strangers but mushes up with them once he knows them. This type of character is perfectly normal and what one should expect with a breed that has a watchdog heritage. ...If your second dog is the goon that wiggles and smooches up from the get go he is actually a more submissive dog, which is sounding like it suits you perfectly.
Re: socialization
Well this is it, Lisa. I wish I had known more about the fear periods when I had my first dog, let alone any dog that followed :-). I am 100% sure I didn't handle those fear periods well in all but the last berner. Each dog I've been better with but I did more reading between dogs (so to speak) and was much better prepared this last round. So that's what begged the question, was I a better owner/trainer for the third dog (in this particular pack) or was it luck of the [genetic] draw and I (or the training school) had little influence. If the dogs were even remotely similar, I might not be so curious. It's that they are polar opposite that I'm wondering how much breeding or training has to do with it. Jenn Popp Healthy Paws Bones and Raw Food Diet http://www.healthy-paws.ca Toronto, Ontario (Canada) 416-264-1313 / email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lisa Baldwin | with some breeds there does seem to be a genetic problem that doesn't pop up | until the second fear imprint period. with dogs from these lines (we have | particularly noticed it in shelties gsds) they hit that second fear | imprint period like a wall recover slowly, if at all.
Re: Socialization of Dogs
Well I do feel I found a great puppy school when we brought the third dog home. He has a web site http://www.beachescanineacademy.com that does go into the different periods of dogs. The first two dogs went to the same training school (pretty old school, now that I know better -- not choke collar old, by the jerk and praise methodology). But they are a GSD and BMD, so I can't compare them as they are totally different in just their different breeds. This puppy school even had an exercise called pass the puppy and we'd all sit in a circle and pass the puppies around to the next person and give them loving. An absolutely fantastic exercise, IMO. And I do feel that a good puppy school is critical. But it doesn't appear to be stressed as so critical. And a good school can do so much for the dog whereas a bad school can set the wheels in motion for continuing to handle situations poorly. Jenn Popp Healthy Paws Bones and Raw Food Diet http://www.healthy-paws.ca Toronto, Ontario (Canada) 416-264-1313 / email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: JEvans [EMAIL PROTECTED] | There is a second fear period that dogs experience anywhere from between | about 4 to 10 months, lasting a few weeks, wherein the dogs are skittish even in | situations they had previously been fine in. | Also, IMVHO: a puppy class tailored to pups between ages about 8 weeks to | 4 months is the very best thing you can do for a dog! The good puppy class will be | structured for some puppy play time, lots and lots of socialization and desensitization to | people, noises, objects, surfaces and will use food to desensitize the pups | to scary things. (people in hats, with beards, children, vet procedures | (mock), other pups, puppy agility obstacles, etc!!) There would also be | good instruction on operant conditioning and teach the owners how to use | the techniques as well as work on bite inhibition and some basic obedience like sit, down | come. .
Re: socialization
On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:20:36 -0500 Jennifer Popp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So that's what begged the question, was I a better owner/trainer for the third dog (in this particular pack) or was it luck of the [genetic] After reading the replies you got I would say you have been given some very good information. The debate over nature vs nurture is one that has raged for years in regard to both dogs and people. I do not think they are seperate issues but closely entertwined. A puppy with a genetically sound temperament does not shy from loud noises, does not back away from large people or dogs, does not run away from new situations. He does not have a melt down during the first second or however many fear periods exist. He can endure isolation, horrible treatment and situations and bounce back with proper training love and care (witnessed by the shelter and rescue dogs that end up loving devoted pets). This is genetics That you are a better owner/trainer is no doubt. You have learned. Training has become more instinctual for you and you aren't having to think about every command and your timing with praise is probably faster and more consistent. This can help take any puppy with a slight to moderate temperament flaw and mold it to a point that is less apparent and livable for you and the dog. So - you have no definite answer I think The answer is yes Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
Re: socialization
I kind of knew I wasn't going to get a definitive answer. But I sure thought if there was one, I'd get it here. I imagine there are always too many variables to come to any conclusive answers. It's a lovely debate, though. I enjoy reading differing experiences. I can't imagine I'd ever be a good breeder. I'm too much of a control freak. I'd have every minute of the first year of the pup's life mapped out with what to do when, what to expect when, what school to go to, what to feed, when to alter, what shots to give, and when oiy vey!! Jenn Popp Healthy Paws Bones and Raw Food Diet http://www.healthy-paws.ca Toronto, Ontario (Canada) 416-264-1313 / email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | So - you have no definite answer I think The answer is yes
Re: Socialization of dogs
One of the reasons for the different breeds in my house is I love the personalities. The way you describe your first Berner, Jenn, reminds me of my Leo, Cowboy. Cowboy is a thinker, a very smart boy, CGC in nothing flat, clicker trained easily. Bored easily. He loves people, but when first approached, with tail wagging, he ducks when a stranger reaches out to pat his head. Doesn't move his feet, doesn't stop wagging his tail, but like your pup he's almost saying-geez, wait a minute, I don't even know you. This is one of the few times he doesn't bark or talk in any way. He seems to want a chance to sniff first. Now, once he knows you, don't you even think of ignoring him or he will grumble, woo hoo, bark, whatever it takes. He's a hoot! I will never forget being out on the back porch one morning early drinking my coffee when I hear a faint cry of my visiting sister for Help! coming from the house. I walk in to see my sister on the stair landing, and 5 big, grinning ear to ear dogs waiting for her to come down the rest of the way! Cowboy in particular vocalizing his delight to my sister's horror. No way was she coming down stairs without me there. We laughed and laughed and I forever tease her about my big, bad dogs trapping her. Right now I am totally in love with my Pyr, Bean. He is my oldest and for some reason is getting a little more demonstrative and playful. He'll come up and touch me with his nose, just a little shove. He has a look in his eyes and a grin, wanting me to get up and chase. This means chase about 6 feet at the most before I grab him in a bear hug, tell him how much I love him, and give him a great back, butt scratching. Ah, it's heaven to this guy. Now while all this is going on we are surrounded by the black boys (the Berners-we are racially blended, obviously!), bouncing, bouncing , bouncing me, me, me next attitude! Freckles is generally barking non stop while we all ignore him (Damn it you guys, I am small but have a mighty bark! Pay Attention) Zeke will most likely jump on the couch and flop back wards with big, looking like beer belly, pointing to the ceiling. One of these days I expect him to reach down and scratch his privates and belch! Weaver will be looking soft, reaching out with one paw quietly, asking Can I have just a little? I don't like all this noise but I do love you and would like a cuddle. okay, it's a zoo, but I love it! jane heggen the boys of iowa (who are all very different with one mom)
Flour Girl
I must give due credit to Pat Tackett for Hannah's new name :-). Thank you for the help , I felt better just knowing you all were out there ! Anyway , the um , end of this story is a little gross , but she's okay this morning. Now I know what happens when a dog eats flour right out of the bag ! A little runny is an understatement :-(. Paybacks are hell .. Laurie Montoya w/ Hannah the Flour Girl
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Fleas - Navi - Dog LeAnn Zogg Pax and Paws
Dudley
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Public Christening
I would like to announce that No Name is No Name no longer: Kaibab's Bright Angel Halo born Oct 20, 2002 to Abra and Zaltana Loved by Mary-Ann and Kim Bowman (and kids and berners and two cats) Salt Lake City, Utah
Re: Flour Girl
In a message dated 12/21/02 10:13:00 AM Canada Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now I know what happens when a dog eats flour right out of the bag ! A little runny is an understatement Gee, I would have thought flour would have the opposite effect and Gum up the works! The interesting things I learn on this list! Marilynn Star
Ski-jorring
I'm looking for any berner folks that have experience with this sport. I'm not interested in doing any racing, but it does seem to be a great way to share winter sports with your dog. A lot of non-husky breeds seem to be used as well. For those that may be curious about this, here's a website I found: http://www.skijornow.com/skijornowhome.html (I'm not affiliated in any way) happy holidays! Julie J and Lexi
NOSHADE CLASS
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reaction to 2nd chemotherapy treatment
Moses was very subdued yesterday, did not eat much, and was whimpering a bit. The same this morning. He underwent his second chemotherapy treatment on Thursday for osteosarcoma, to which he lost a leg. I spoke to one of his doctors on the telephone and was told that a dog sometimes will not bounce back as quickly after the second treatment. He is not febrile. He has begun to eat, although not with his usual vacuum cleaner intensity and does appear to be picking up a bit. I slept on the floor next to him last night; I know that he takes comfort in being near me as, when I gently massage him, he emits a relieved half moan, half contented sigh. I cannot sleep in my own bed when I am concerned about one of the furrykids as I am too worried to fall asleep so I set up bedding near or next to the dog and then rest more comfortably. The weather was no help yesterday, either; heavy rain and strong winds; this bothers Moses because, I think, it bothered Yoda and he saw that extra coos and kisses were common; not that I catered to Yoda's fears but... Lisa Allen _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmailxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf
Fw: Puppy Auction
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RE: BERNER-L digest 4188
Are there any Berner-L people from the greater Portland area in Maine on this list? If so, please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Kathy Kathy Bolduc Amoroso [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.maine.rr.com/kathya/lucanero.html Owner of Nero (October's Frosted Hawthorne) 8 years old and Luca (Ch. October the Godfather v. Resal) 8/15/92-9/11/01
Hugo's home
Please skip if this is boring - but for those following Hugo's progress, he was discharged after a week in the hospital. He is on a pain patch and they also prescribed predisone, for inflammation and pain. He's lying down with little movement except for slightly raising his head a few inches, going straight up, so he has to be hand fed and bottle fed for water. The letter he was sent home with from the vet states that he believes he will be walking again. I can move his back legs but his front paws are still straight out stiff, which I don't quite understand. Donna and Hugo, SoCal
Fwd: revision
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Correct addy for Christman Greeting
Someone's probably posted the good link by now, but I'm behind on digests so here it is anyway: http://xmas.emedia.co.uk/xmascard/ Susan Kowitz
