What's the best crate material?
Hi, I've been looking at double-door folding crates for use in my mini-van. I see there is a choice of materials from different manufacturers: black or white epoxy, bright zinc plating, gold zinc, black electro coat. What is the best to get as far as: 1)comfort/safety for the dog, 2)keeping it clean, 3)How well it holds up. I'd appreciate hearing any recommendations (and the reasons why you recommend what you do!) Thanks, Susan Wankner Donner Fremont, CA _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
los angeles area
looking for berner owned families in this area of california willing to help with a few questions about climate, berners and needs specific to the area. thanks andrea, woofit and chi shavertown, pa http://www.brin.org/Woofit_and_Chi/
RE: Eating poop
Hi Andrew, Unfortunately dogs eat poop! It is a disgusting habit repugnant to us humans but in the animal world would appear to be quite acceptable. I have twelve dogs so chasing around after that crew morning and night is nigh on impossible. With only two dogs you have it easy:-) As a rule they'll defecate twice a day and I suggest you reinforce their training with a hurry up command once you've figured out their routine and invest in a nice metal bucket that you line with a plastic grocery bag and buy from a pet store a pooper scooper and accompanying rake so you don't have to bend over and all will be well:-) You could try adding grated zucchini to their daily diet, I'm told it makes it taste bitter though I'm not about to test! Rose T.
eating poop
The age old problem that I know has been discussed before on BernerL, however, it is now happening to us and both our dogs, Mocha 5 and Kona 9 months are doing it regularly. Andrew, I got this trick from my breeder. Get a spray bottle and fill it with vinegar. Everytime they go, spray it and let is sit for a while before you clean up the mess. We did this for about 3 weeks with our Berner and he eventually associated the nasty taste of vinegar with eating it. He didn't quit completely, but he has tried to eat it only once or twice in the last 6 months, which is a great improvement. By the way, this will kill your grass so be prepared for some brown spots until the dogs decide to stop. You can always hose the area after you clean up their messes, to get rid of the vinegar. Hope this helped. Janice ( Titan) _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Berner vs Golden
Just wanted to take a minute to thank the many that responded to my post regarding Berners vs Goldens. It was very enlightening to hear so many different opinions..from the casual pet owner to the respected breeder! I had some recommended readings given to me, I placed an Amazon order right away! I thank all of you for your input, we will continue to do our research before we make a decision...hopefully sometime this summer/fall. I will continue to listen and learn from all of you. Thanks, Denise _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: Collars -- Tag requirements
In my region of the world, we are required to have lic tags on our dogs whenever they are outside (including in our yards). The authorities can come on to your property to check and the fine is something you would notice. In our house, we do a lot of collar on and collar off maneauvers. The buckle collar does tend to wear the hair. Any dog that is being shown in conformation in our house, tends see a collar less (might even take a few liberties in the yard, but don't tell the dog catcher). But, even if they tend to see the collar less, all the dogs, even the ones we shown in conformation, wear a buckle collar in obedience classes. Life is full of trade offs and this is one of them. The other reminder is NEVER leave a collar on a dog in a crate. Nancy Melone
Happy Birthday Coach
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IMPORTANT 2003 UPDATE FOR VETERANS
IMPORTANT 2003 UPDATE FOR VETERANS Bradshaw, the 2003 Show Superintendent, made an error printing the Premium List -- the Premium lists only one class for Veterans in the conformation classes. Due to the printing error, AKC WILL allow Bradshaw to split the Veteran entries as they arrive. Veteran Classes WILL be split according to the Veteran Sweepstakes classes: 7 - 9 years 9- 11 years 11 years and older. If you know of anyone else with a Veteran please let them know that the classes will be split. If anyone has a questions please feel free to contact me. Lynne Hawkinson BMDCA Show Chair - 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 805-473-0081
A Day Late
We are a day late, but want to celebrate Molly's 1st birthday! She had a happy day at home, including some playtime in the yard and being sung to by the family. There was also a period of time spent chewing on a beautiful new marrow bone, a vast improvement over the remote controls that have been her favorite flavor over the past few weeks. Since recovering from her TPO, Molly has reclaimed the Sun Room couch as her throne, and she received visitors there yesterday. Molly and I are continually grateful for the support and love found on the Berner-L. Her elbow surgery is scheduled for March 14th; fingers crossed that things will go smoothly then. A big birthday Rooby-Roo to all of you! Martha Hoverson and Molly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portland, Maine _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: A Day Late
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOLLY!! I just had to drop you a quick note and let you know that Stevie and I hope that Molly had a fabulous birthday. I can just visualize her holding court in the Sun Room !! Fabulous. We are hoping and praying that Molly's surgery will be a complete success and that she will be back to good health in no time. I have March the 14 circled on my calendar and we will be lighting yet another candle, you will be in our thoughts and prayers as I know so many others will have you in theirs as well. Thanks for all your support and love Martha through the Stevie Saga, we go to the vet today and I will post after we return home with any updates. Big Berner Hugs and Gentle Kisses from Karen and Stevie xoxoxoxo - Original Message - From: Martha Hoverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: A Day Late We are a day late, but want to celebrate Molly's 1st birthday! She had a happy day at home, including some playtime in the yard and being sung to by the family. There was also a period of time spent chewing on a beautiful new marrow bone, a vast improvement over the remote controls that have been her favorite flavor over the past few weeks. Since recovering from her TPO, Molly has reclaimed the Sun Room couch as her throne, and she received visitors there yesterday. Molly and I are continually grateful for the support and love found on the Berner-L. Her elbow surgery is scheduled for March 14th; fingers crossed that things will go smoothly then. A big birthday Rooby-Roo to all of you! Martha Hoverson and Molly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portland, Maine _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Poopy Stories
ORIGINAL POST (snipped): From: Tenbus, Tina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tango has an undying love for paper products, but in particular, he loves used tissues and towels. He can snake a tissue off the nightstand quick as the blink of an eye. He watches intently if you blow your nose and waits for his chance. But, it seems that at least once a week I see a tissue coming out the other end. Anyway, tissues do not digest and frequently he has a dangler hanging on by a tissue, yuck! Well, being the dependent dog he is, he just turns and looks at me now and then looks back at his butt as if to say mom, I need help here. Regretfully, I assist him by donning a plastic bag on my hand and removing the dangler. I can only imagine what my neighbors must think. *Sigh*, the joy of berner ownership! Tina and Tango RESPONSE: I think Tango just might be on to something -- a self-wiping dog. Hmm . . . Vicky Whitney in Bozeman, Montana _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Berner cookie cutter
http://www.kitchengifts.com/dogs.html I ordered and received a copper BMD cookie cutter from this place... Ignore the fact that the picture for the BMD is actually a borzoi or some other dog -- the actual item IS a Berner. --Elizabeth Elizabeth Malcolmson with UUD Ledgewood's Ptolemy, UDX, DD, Can. CDX DD Remembering Tycho Zoey, treasured beyond measure Rockport, MA, USA
Breakaway dog collars
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Early Neutering Linked to Osteosarcoma
Gawd, just when you think you've discussed a topic to death and decided where you stand. The question about a breeder's requirement for early neutering (8 weeks) of a new puppy was just brought up on another list. Responses have ranged all over the map. Some owners feel they have seen positive proof that early neutering of males causes tall, weedy dogs, whereas here on the Berner-L I think the consensus was that any difference in height and substance was very negligible. However, someone raised the question about early neutering having a link to osteosarcoma (article following). If our European Berners tend to NOT be neutered, and have very similar cancer rates as our American Berners (where most are neutered before one year of age), that says to me that this is not an issue for us, particularly as I understand osteosarcoma is not a big problem in our breed overall. Am I mistaken? Anyone have any additional information on this study and its interpretation? Comments? Vicky Whitney in Bozeman, Montana Dog Study Suggests Hormones Linked to Bone Cancer News Article: Dog Study Suggests Hormones Linked to Bone Cancer WASHINGTON (Reuters Health) - A drop in sex hormones may increase the risk of a type of bone cancer, according to results of a study conducted in purebred rottweilers. The highly malignant bone cancer, known as osteosarcoma, has noticeable similarities in both humans and rottweilers, researchers at Purdue University reported at a meeting of the Gerontological Society of America. In a study of 745 purebred rottweilers, Dr. B. C. Beranek and colleagues from the departments of veterinary clinical science and veterinary pathology found that 15% of all the dogs developed bone cancer. However, the risk of bone cancer was 65% higher for castrated males and 34% higher for spayed females. The risk of developing bone cancer was higher both in females spayed at less than one year of age as well as males castrated when they were less than a year old compared with animals who were not spayed or neutered. It is not clear why spaying or neutering had an impact on cancer risk, but it may be related to their lower levels of sex hormones. More study is needed to determine if these factors play any role in human cancer. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
2003 Specialty Deadlines
Have you sent in your BMDCA Specialty registration? The deadline is tomorrow, March 1st! Don't wait any longer - mail yours today! Can't find your Planning Booklet - don't despair The reservation form can be downloaded and printed from the 2003 web page - http://www.bmdcaspecialty.org/2003/ (click on forms) Planning on sending by Fed Ex or Overnight mail? We'd rather receive them via regular mail and have you donate the cost of the priority shipping to your favorite Berner charity! BMDCA 2003 Hospitality Committee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Bernerhood by Barry Schieber
Barry Schieber, the wonderful author of Nose to Nose and proud owner of handsome Moritz, a therapy Berner (both of whom happen to live here in Montana!), just shared this with me and has given me permission to post it to the Berner-L list. Enjoy! Vicky Whitney in Bozeman, Montana The Bernerhood When Moritz and I were invited to sign books at Elliott Bay bookstore in Seattle, I decided drop a note to Coral and David Denis on Vancouver Island. I told them we would like to visit Vancouver while we were on the west coast. I did not know Coral - she had simply emailed me earlier, ordering a copy of Nose to Nose. Her message had been so gentle and interesting that I felt a connection with her. On a hunch, I thought she could suggest a bookstore in Vancouver that I could contact for a book signing. A few days later I received an invitation, from Jill Weir that Moritz and I were welcome to stay with her and her husband Bill while we were in Vancouver. Coral must have asked her if she could look after us. Jill said she would contact a local bookstore about a book signing. Lo and behold, a few days later we were invited to 32 Books in North Vancouver to give a talk and sign books. Mary Trentadue, the owner, volunteered to help us with a TV appearance on the Fanny Kiefer/Studio 4 morning broadcast. Imagine my surprise at all of this sudden and unforeseen help - Moritz and I are invited to stay in Vancouver, BC, a favorite city of mine, with people we never met. This was my first clue about Berners little-known brotherhood, or should I say, Bernerhood. Unbeknownst to me (Moritz may have known), we had been welcomed into the Bernerhood a network of seemingly ordinary folks with a passion for life, a keen sense of humor and a contagious love for their Bernese Mountain Dogs. Within days we received further help - an invitation from Pam Thind at Pets 1st, a specialty dog food maker, to come to their store for an open house and another book signing. Later, she offered to become our Canadian distributor of Nose to Nose. Then I asked an old friend at the Vancouver Library, Janice Douglas, if I could talk at her library about Nose to Nose and our pet therapy experiences. On quite short notice, Janice arranged an evening talk, complete with a beautiful poster. Imagine, in no time, we had a full week of meetings and greetings in Vancouver. Imagine! A few days later, Jill emailed wanting to know what I liked to eat, what Moritz might need, when did I awake, did I like to hike? I felt totally embraced. I replied that I am a vegetarian. This hardly slowed her down. Immediately another email, wanting to know: how vegetarian? fish? eggs? cheese? And then the clincher - she said she made fresh muesli every week. Muesli is one of my very favorite foods. I told her not to worry about any of my other needs homemade muesli would be such a treat, she need not do anymore. Jill does not take to relaxing easily. She is quite thorough. Which did I prefer, tea or coffee? I love tea - so does Jill. Imagine! At this point, I pinched myself and looked to the heavens in gratitude . and then to Moritz, wondering who really was in that big, beautiful fur coat and where was he leading me? Our first stop in Canada was an overnight stay with Adrienne and Fred Hammond, Adrienne had heard we were coming to BC in the early evening and suggested we stay there as they lived just across the border. She drove to meet us and to follow her to be sure we found our way to their home. Meeting the gregarious Hammonds, including their dogs Louie and Bailey, and being treated so graciously, I got a feeling that this whole trip was to be quite an experience. We talked late into the evening. In the morning, they gave us directions to our next Berner stop: the Weirs. We arrived mid-morning at the Weirs on a beautiful, sunny day. Moritz sat at my side as we rang the doorbell. Jill opened the door, with Flora, her Berner, at her side and said, Hello, Moritz and Barry! Really, those few words say it all - Jill is friendly, energetic, welcoming and really appreciates Berners. Bill, Jills husband, while more reserved, had a calm way with Moritz and soon I could see the two of them sharing a mutual kindness and playfulness. Over the next few days, they prepared our meals, took us on interesting and scenic hikes in Lighthouse Park and along the mountains, introduced us to Floras agility class, drove us to our book signings, and generally directed us about Vancouver; in short, they treated us as family. We talked, drank tea, laughed, played with the dogs, discussed artists and photographers, architecture and history. Having now lived some number of years in rural Montana, I finally felt, once again, to be part of a cultural community. On our visit to Pets1st, we were greeted throughout the day by 30 or more Berners, more than I have ever seen. It was like
Entlebuch Cattle Dog
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Re: Entlebuch Cattle Dog
Am I correct in thinking that the Appenzeller is a herder and barks a bit. Anyone know what the purpose and personality of the Entlebuch is? Maria Crifasi Catoctin Mountains, Maryland -- where the snow is deep, the dogs are wet and the floors are - Original Message - From: Jenn Waldron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: Entlebuch Cattle Dog Since these guys are the smallest of the Swiss Mountain dogs and Berners are the largest. I thought the Swissy was the largest of the Sennenhunds. I stand corrected, Berners are the second largest. Thank you Amy. I'm still learning. Jenn and Charlie
Re: is this the correct address
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Re: Looking for Trainer in Aurora, IL Area
Hi, Terri I am new to the List but, having had a terrier, I know all about, as you say, battling every step of the way. So I'm going to chime in here: It might not be you two need training on specific commands as in making sure she knows that you are She Who Must Be Obeyed *in all things*. Job Evan's A Radical Regime For Recalcitrant Rovers () has 20 specific steps to re-focus the dog into knowing his place in the family. Frankly, it helped *me* re-focus my place! Being Boss isn't always easy for me. There is a copy of the at http://www.amrottclub.org/.htm. That said, I'm pleased to have found the list, I'm enjoying learning more and more about BMDs and I hope there is one in my future! ~*~ Lindsay Lindsay Gower, who lives in Pleasant Hill CA with Riley the Orange Tabby Siamese while Denbigh rests over the Bridge _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: Early Neutering Linked to Osteosarcoma
Vicky, Considering that the neutered Berners tend to have a longer lifespan than the intact Berners, both male and female, I'd still stick to the neutering! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Re: Entlebuch Cattle Dog
Here's what Gerd Ludwig has to say about the Entelbucher in his book The Bernese and Other Swiss Mountain Dogs, with regard to temperament: The Entlebucher is not only a faithful watchdog and companion; over its long years of service as a cattle herder and drover, it's demonstrated one thing above all: its independence and its ability to size up a situation with lightning speed. Yet, despite all its keenness and independence, it always likes to be near its people. It will forgive some mistakes by an inexperienced trainer. Entlebuchers are born optimists, who make sure there's always life in the party. Sometimes they do it quite loudly,admittedly, so you shoule take pains even with puppies to be sure they don't learn to enjoy yapping. An Entlebucher gets along very well with other animals. Martha Hoverson and Molly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portland, Maine From: Maria Crifasi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Maria Crifasi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Entlebuch Cattle Dog Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:17:55 -0500 Am I correct in thinking that the Appenzeller is a herder and barks a bit. Anyone know what the purpose and personality of the Entlebuch is? Maria Crifasi Catoctin Mountains, Maryland -- where the snow is deep, the dogs are wet and the floors are - Original Message - From: Jenn Waldron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: Entlebuch Cattle Dog Since these guys are the smallest of the Swiss Mountain dogs and Berners are the largest. I thought the Swissy was the largest of the Sennenhunds. I stand corrected, Berners are the second largest. Thank you Amy. I'm still learning. Jenn and Charlie _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: BERNER-L digest 4297
I recently ordered and received the Chinook Breakaway collar. My Berner boy was constantly tugging and pulling on my lab/dane's collar and sometimes removing it from her neck. I was very scared she would be injured during play. She hasn't worn a collar in months because for some reason my Berner thought she didn't need to wear one. Even though they are both microchipped I was afraid if she was lost I would not be able to find her. The breakaway collar has solved this dilemma. When the play becomes rough(tugging, biting, pulling and sometimes steam rolling) her collar breaks apart and she takes off like the wind and leaves my berner in the dust. The collar is available on-line and only costs $14.99. A great investment so far! Kathy Dugger Haldol-steam roller Sonata-speedy gonzales
Re: Collars on Dogs
as the tags get caught in the vent while he sleeps and then when he wakes he'll have the vent grill hanging off his neck Been there, done that - got bonked on the head with the floor register. Cessi hooked herself into the register (wintertime though - hogging the heat?) and being relatively calm, didn't panic, just whacked me in the head with it so that I would wake up and get that rotten thing *off* her neck. grin That was when she had all of her tags on her collar - I've removed the excess, but I still keep a single ID tag on my guys 'cause you just never know... I've brought home several strays who could have been taken back home to Momma if they had their tags on. (They ended up finding their homes, but one had to spend the night here because we found him around 11:00pm, and it was too late to call anyone for help locating his people - I'd go crazy if that was me looking for one of my babies). Jen P.S. We have home collars, cottage collars and Collingwood collars - each with a local address or similar identifying home locator, and local phone #s. It wouldn't do me any good if someone found my dog (for example) in Collingwood while we were there for the weekend and they were trying to call me at home.
Stevie's vet appt.
Dear List, Well we made our way to the vet today. Stevie has had kind of a rough couple of days. Very staggery and shaky last evening, some vomiting and his spirits seemed to be quite low. Especially today, after a thorough exam, blood work and chest films, they could not come up with a definitive diagnosis. We are going to start to reduce his steroids and he has only two more days to finish up the discontinuance of his Phenobarb. They are questioning as to whether he is perhaps suffering from a sort of Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome. They want us to increase his out going activity and try to stimulate him more. They think that he would benefit from some other canine company as well. He has been rather sheltered in that department for sure. So perhaps for some short periods of time at first and we will see how it goes. This just reinforces my decision to eventually get a companion for Stevie, (of course I would love to have another Berner and I definitely think that both Stevie and I have enough love and devotion to share!) but that would be down the road a ways. So my oldest son is going to bring his big girl over (Mika and Stevie are wonderful buddies and always have been ) I hope that this will help bring Stevie out of his funk. I hate to see him this way after coming so far. The original vet that we first saw was there today and was absolutely flabbergasted to see Sweet Stevie looking as good as he is. He said, I wouldn't have bet two cents on that dogs life that afternoon. He apologized for being so hasty in discussing euthanasia but he felt at the time that it would be the only humane thing to do. Of course he knew about the medical treatment that we sought out, but I told him about the power of the List he was genuinely impressed especially when I told him just how many people that I knew of who were pulling for Stevie and the countless others that we didn't know about. He thoroughly and completely pleased that I went against his suggestion, he gave us a big hug and admitted that he was only human and like the rest of us he makes mistakes and misjudgments. I felt better after our conversation as I had indeed felt some animosity at the time for sure. So if anyone has any further suggestions for my beloved boy I would welcome them greatly. Thanks again in advance. Big Berner Hugs and gentle Kisses Karen and Stevie xoxo
Terrible Day at Longlease!
Morning started off dank and wet and reluctantly put on my wellies to go and do the morning feeds! Three frisky muddy Berners helping me! Fed the ponies and left Sunny and Barney behind hopeful for the missed bits, or occasionally Andy and Arthur will toss 'em a bit of corn. Me and Sim went to feed the sheep! Only six sheep at the gate! My lead ewe, Hoppy, was missing. She is old lady, she has been with me six years now and was not so young when she came here (I lost my other original ewe, Poppy, last year!) Went in search and found Hops under shelter of the conifers way up back of the top meadow. I thought she was dead! Stroked her and talked to her and her eyes fluttered! Fetched a tarpaulin and got her on it and dragged her way down to the bottom of the meadow. Rest of my sheep by this time had finished their feed and followed us and Hops lifted her head and did a feeble Baa! Got her safely to warmth and shelter and got the vet out! She is on antibiotics, she has pneumonia, but we are not hopeful, she is very old lady! She is in the shelter where I have lambed her in the past! For a while I had her standing and eating and looked like she was about to lamb again. Now she is down again! Off to go cuddle my Hops and give her another shot! She is my lead ewe that of a morning I would come out and here distinctive Baa! My Lady Hops that rolled Sim Puppy down the hill when he tried to get too friendly with her lambs! Prayers for my Hops tonight but she is a very old lady! Sim, Sunny and Barney are very quiet! All love, Jean, Sunny, Sim, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
eating poop
Hi: I have had two Berners that were poop eaters and I tried everything - the additives - verbal reprimands, etc. - none of those worked. I tried adding raw meaty bones to their diet and the behavior COMPLETELY stopped in both dogs. (The exception being of course when one of my dogs was caring for her pups - she did the maternal protective thing with their poop - lol) Anyway - if I go a week without bones they start again. I do not know if anyone else has had this experience but my dogs have totally stopped - for 2 years now. If you are not familiar with feeding raw bones - start slowly because a dog's digestive system has to adjust. I suggest reading Give Your Dog a Bone or Raw Meaty Bones. My one dog weaned her pups by bringing them lamb necks - (which were here favorite). She did not run into their whelping pen regurgitating dog kibble but dragged her favorite raw meaty bones to them since they were four weeks of age. They took to them instinctively and naturally and I still feed them. Just a thought. (The premise is that raw meaty bones add a digestive enzyme that processed dog foods are missing) The dogs teeth are better and never have they been sick from them. If you make the mistake of using marrow bones too soon your dog will get runny. I also would NOT use cooked bones or pork. I only feed them bones when I am home but I have never had a problem. Hope this helps someone. Mark Mohapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Early Neutering Linked to Osteosarcoma
To do a risk analysis, you also need to look at the disease risks (beyond osteosarcoma) that intact animals face (e.g., diseases of the reproductive organs/system, maternal death due to the complications of pregnancy/birth, various other cancers, dog fights) that sterilzed ones do not. My money is where Pat's is -- that all considered, neutering/spaying on average extends the life an animal. Nancy Melone
OT-Swissie Info
Hi Everyone- My good friend who owns a horse farm in Maryland, is in search of a reputable Greater Swiss Mtn Dog breeder. She is interested in a dog who has the correct temperament to act as both a livestock guardian, as well as a family pet. She is also interested in search rescue dog training. She and her husband have put a lot of thought into the appropriate breed for their home and lifestyle...and a Swissie seems to fit the bill. Any recommendations from my Berner friends would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Jennie Hoffnagle Glenmoore, PA
RE: los angeles area
Kaethy Kennedy and Ginger ( a 1 year 3 month old big berner puppy ) in Los Angeles (Studio City area) Would love to help! -- From: Andrea Brin Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:47 AM To: Berner-L; Berner Bones Cc: Adam Brin Subject: los angeles area looking for berner owned families in this area of california willing to help with a few questions about climate, berners and needs specific to the area. thanks andrea, woofit and chi shavertown, pa http://www.brin.org/Woofit_and_Chi/
To Berner or not to Berner??
Greetings to all the expert Owners of Bernese Mt. Dogs! My name is Kenny and I reciently fell in love with the BMD! I am seriously considering, no...no, I mean I'd love to own a BMD!! However I have a few concerns: Shedding/is my home large enough/temperment/barking/and will the breed fit into my lifestyle? I live in a 3 floor townhome with a fenced in back yard (20' X35), hopefully daily walks and the small yard will please the breed? Last week I dog sitted my sisters 70Lb. Golden Retriever to experience life with a large dog (although 20 or 30Lbs a Berner). The first two days were difficult in that he was heavly shedding and the hair was a nusance! However I seemed to adjust by day three and just vacummed and brushed daily! By the end of the week I and my family were attached to this beautiful dog. Bernie filled our home with a special warmth and love with his laid back temperment. He is missed, as he went home 3 days ago and my children, (3boys, 20,12,9) enjoyed him greatly. I'm told the berners are similar in temperment to the Golden? Finally barking, neighbors have a Sheltie and a besicon that are cronic barkers and is quite unplesant at times! I prefer a controlled to non-existent barker. You may ask, why not get a Golden? I just loved the look and size of the BMD I met a few breeders and found one I am comfertable with. I met her and her BMD's and loved playing with all of them. I guess I'm seeking advice or reassurance that my home and lifestyle will accomidate a Berner. Thanks for any possible advice! Kenny B.
Fw: Sterling is 9 where did you get your dog?
Bobbie Hefner Swiss Star Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/swissstarfarms/index.html - Original Message - From: bobbie hefner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeff Mary Chapdelaine - SnoBear berners [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Sterling is 9 Well hello everyone, Well at least I have not fallen off the face of the earth. Just very busy with Berner public education on a daily basis and also extremely involved with training my BMD America to do tracking-trailing for Carda Search and Rescue. Anyway, since this seems to be somewhat of a discussion regarding me I thought maybe I should as they say.tell you the rest of the story. Tom and Kay Arzheimer owned a wonderful Lacey x Jackson female named Sarah who was Ch Nitro What a Gas sister. In time she was bred to my Sterling. Tom and Kay took the pick bitch puppy and I took the second pick and was thrilled that I could continue on with my Lacey x Jackson lines, which as everyone is aware has produced some of the most long lived Bernese. In time Tom and Kay if everything worked out well, would get a puppy back also from Valintine. Marge Cherry in the meantime had been visiting the litter and fell in love with Valintine. She was going through a difficult time in her life and wanted something to love and ask me if she could raise this puppy for me and that she was never interested in breeding and I could have all the breeding rights on her. And soa contract was made. I tried to breed her twice. I was not concerned about her mild elbow problem as I knew the line well. When she was still in her prime, Margie ask me if she could spay her and I said yes, by all meansas first and formost she is your pet. And thats the rest of the story. I would like to end this discussion with a heart felt reminder to everyone of you who has purchased or been given a Bernese Mountain Dog. Maybe it was years and years ago, or maybe it was just 8 weeks ago. But there was a breeder who trusted you enough to allow their dog or puppy to find a place in your heart. Think back to how you got your start, your accomplishments, the joy, the love, and most of all the friends within the breed you have made. And remember it was only because the breeder of your dog trusted you. No matter how times change, there is a loyality that should remain in your heart. Before you think different, stop a moment and look in your dogs eyes. If you don't see, within those kind pools of dark intelligence, how people should treat one another, then you have learned nothing from your dog and little from life. I got my first Bernese Mountain Dog from Mary Townsend. Ch Vonbreiterwegs Swiss Lace , Reg. therapy Dog, became the foundation bitch to Swiss Star Farms. Her first daughter remains alive at almost 14. Over the years, Mary and I had our disagreements, yet I remained always loyal to her and thankful. For if it was not for her trust in me, I would never have been able to accomplish what I have done in the world of dogs. I told her that a hundred times over the years she was alive and for that I am even more thankful. So take a moment to remember who started you on the way to loving a Bernese Mountain Dog and thank that person while they are still around to hear you. Bobbie Hefner Swiss Star Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/swissstarfarms/index.html - Original Message - From: Jeff Mary Chapdelaine - SnoBear berners [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Sterling is 9 It has been an honor these past 5 years to care for him, be responsible for his upkeep and vet care. I think as dog owners we all accept these responsibilities willingly. It is easier on the pocketbook though when the dog you accept from someone is already an adult, has had all health certs. done, and a AKC Championship in addition. When you took him into your home and heart did you believe that in addition to him coming at no cost, all his health care, dog food, and upkeep would be paid, for the rest of his life? She's my wonderful little Swiss Miss, no matter her elbows. Her litter back agreement could not be fulfilled as it turned out she had cysts on her ovaries. I was quite naive 7 years ago and would not enter into such a contract now. Again, if the dog was given to you for nothing, in a breed where HD and ED are almost a 40/60 chance I think you came out pretty good. No, she can't have puppies, but a lot of people pay full price for puppies with high hopes of breeding only to find out that the hips, elbows, eyes, teeth, or other things do not pass. If they do pass, and are
Re: Early Neutering Linked to Osteosarcoma
In a message dated 02/28/2003 3:11:13 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is not clear why spaying or neutering had an impact on cancer risk, but it may be related to their lower levels of sex hormones. More study is needed to determine if these factors play any role in human cancer. Just curious how many spayed and neutered humans they will get to participate in such a study? Also, how low a level of hormone becomes significant? My scientific mind just wonders. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 1/2 yrs.) Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,2 yrs.) BMDCSEW Tracking Test Chair/Sec. NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
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Re: To Berner or not to Berner??
- Original Message - Shedding/is my home large enough/temperment/barking/and will the breed fit into my lifestyle? Kenny -- of COURSE you'd love to have a BMD!!! Who in their right mind wouldn't. There. Now that that's out of the way... 1.) Shedding - yes! Be prepared. We brush our dogs almost every day, but I'll still see Berner babies rolling across the floor sometimes. And get used to hair in everything, and I mean EVERYTHING! 2.) We are on BMD #2. We now have a house with a good-sized yard, but that was not the case with BMD #1. Part of the time that we had him (120lb intact male), we lived in a duplex apartment (1 floor, 916 sq ft) with a small back yard (60' long but only 6' wide at one end and 28' wide at the other). Actually, we had 2 dogs in that yard/home. We walked/ran with them almost daily, and they had free access to yard apartment during good weather when we could leave the door open. 3.) Temperment - varies just like with people, but generally good. Both our boys have been a bit head-strong, but they were both rescues that did not have consistent training discipline. Both got to be pretty laid-back with time. 4.) Barking - neither of our boys barked much at all. In fact, even when the annoying neighbor dogs bark, ours rarely do. We also are quite clear that barking for no reason is unacceptable. Training goes a long way ;-) 5.) Lifestyle - I think you'll find that the lifestyles of the berner-ly are quite varied. I think BMDs, if they get love attention discipline, can fit into most lifestyles. Just don't get a BMD as a trophy and expect it to sit quietly until you are ready to pay attention to it - they need attention from you. Other things... both our boys have LOVED children. They would sit/stand very quietly while neighbor kids come up to pet them. Best wishes in your pursuit of a BMD. I have nothing to back this up scientifically, just my personal opinion, but I think boys are more even tempered and easier to get along with than girls (dogs, cats, horses, sometimes even people!) Let us all know what you decide. Liz Steinweg The Crew Blue Moon's Baloo Berry Torte Baloo Bobby Sox (husky-x), Figaro (20+ lb Forest Cat) Rio Sahara (the Rat Cats) and in loving memory of my 1st BMD - Toby (6/29/97 - 6/30/00 lost to MH) Colorado Springs CO http://www.csbservices.com/personal/personal.htm
