Re: [Jbeta] usability idea
This is the same suggestion I made a few years back (for JIDE). My natural move is to click on the correct spot in the line, and it is a shame to have lost that position when the line comes down for editing. It would be great to have this as an option for people who work that way. Henry Rich On 5/13/2012 10:01 AM, Eric Iverson wrote: I think the api makes your suggestion possible. I'm not sure it would be a good idea. At least not for me. I stab the line I want at random so would not benefit from having the random position preserved. I'll think about this and see if others have comments. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 7:46 PM, David Leibsdavid.le...@gmail.com wrote: It is easy to select within the workspace. This positions a blinking vertical line at the point of selection. It you then touch the little enter symbol' the line of text is moved to the input area. Unfortunatly your selection point is gone and you have to position the vertical blinking insertion point again and with a slower and more cognitively loaded gesture. It would be nice if that insertion point could be maintained. I do not know if Apple's API would even allow this. I have no idea as to whether this would even be a good idea. - David Leibs -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
Re: [Jbeta] usability idea
Approximations are better than nothing. I vote with David Henry. I/O on the i* is hard enough already (eg it took me 4x longer to type this short message on the iPhone as it would have on my old Blackberry). -Dan Please excuse typos; composed on a handheld device. On May 13, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Eric Iverson eric.b.iver...@gmail.com wrote: I will think about this. It makes more sense on a computer as you are touching the line with the mouse which is quite accurate. The iPad touch (at least with my fat fingers) is more random. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Henry Rich henryhr...@nc.rr.com wrote: This is the same suggestion I made a few years back (for JIDE). My natural move is to click on the correct spot in the line, and it is a shame to have lost that position when the line comes down for editing. It would be great to have this as an option for people who work that way. Henry Rich On 5/13/2012 10:01 AM, Eric Iverson wrote: I think the api makes your suggestion possible. I'm not sure it would be a good idea. At least not for me. I stab the line I want at random so would not benefit from having the random position preserved. I'll think about this and see if others have comments. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 7:46 PM, David Leibsdavid.le...@gmail.com wrote: It is easy to select within the workspace. This positions a blinking vertical line at the point of selection. It you then touch the little enter symbol' the line of text is moved to the input area. Unfortunatly your selection point is gone and you have to position the vertical blinking insertion point again and with a slower and more cognitively loaded gesture. It would be nice if that insertion point could be maintained. I do not know if Apple's API would even allow this. I have no idea as to whether this would even be a good idea. - David Leibs -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
Re: [Jbeta] usability idea
Of course, if you touch and hold a spot in the display the magnifier comes on and lets you position rather accurately. On 2012/05/13 10:14 , Eric Iverson wrote: I will think about this. It makes more sense on a computer as you are touching the line with the mouse which is quite accurate. The iPad touch (at least with my fat fingers) is more random. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Henry Richhenryhr...@nc.rr.com wrote: This is the same suggestion I made a few years back (for JIDE). My natural move is to click on the correct spot in the line, and it is a shame to have lost that position when the line comes down for editing. It would be great to have this as an option for people who work that way. Henry Rich On 5/13/2012 10:01 AM, Eric Iverson wrote: I think the api makes your suggestion possible. I'm not sure it would be a good idea. At least not for me. I stab the line I want at random so would not benefit from having the random position preserved. I'll think about this and see if others have comments. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 7:46 PM, David Leibsdavid.le...@gmail.com wrote: It is easy to select within the workspace. This positions a blinking vertical line at the point of selection. It you then touch the little enter symbol' the line of text is moved to the input area. Unfortunatly your selection point is gone and you have to position the vertical blinking insertion point again and with a slower and more cognitively loaded gesture. It would be nice if that insertion point could be maintained. I do not know if Apple's API would even allow this. I have no idea as to whether this would even be a good idea. - David Leibs -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
Re: [Jbeta] usability idea
I was trying to experiment with selecting lines in output area for editing by touching past the line (to avoid having the cursor in the middle of the line, should the preserve cursor position be implemented) -- when ... ** BUG REPORT ** I found that selecting a wrapped line, e.g. Result of i. 42.Causes j to crash upon hitting input. - joeyiPho... On May 13, 2012, at 10:45, Henry Rich henryhr...@nc.rr.com wrote: 0. It's a personal thing, perhaps, and users should be permitted to do what's comfortable; 1. Displays may evolve to allow more accurate positioning; 2. Users tend to get more accurate with practice. Henry Rich On 5/13/2012 1:30 PM, Eric Iverson wrote: Yes, but why not touch quickly, grab, and then do the accurate positioning in the input line? On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Joey K Tuttlej...@qued.com wrote: Of course, if you touch and hold a spot in the display the magnifier comes on and lets you position rather accurately. On 2012/05/13 10:14 , Eric Iverson wrote: I will think about this. It makes more sense on a computer as you are touching the line with the mouse which is quite accurate. The iPad touch (at least with my fat fingers) is more random. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Henry Richhenryhr...@nc.rr.com wrote: This is the same suggestion I made a few years back (for JIDE). My natural move is to click on the correct spot in the line, and it is a shame to have lost that position when the line comes down for editing. It would be great to have this as an option for people who work that way. Henry Rich On 5/13/2012 10:01 AM, Eric Iverson wrote: I think the api makes your suggestion possible. I'm not sure it would be a good idea. At least not for me. I stab the line I want at random so would not benefit from having the random position preserved. I'll think about this and see if others have comments. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 7:46 PM, David Leibsdavid.le...@gmail.com wrote: It is easy to select within the workspace. This positions a blinking vertical line at the point of selection. It you then touch the little enter symbol' the line of text is moved to the input area. Unfortunatly your selection point is gone and you have to position the vertical blinking insertion point again and with a slower and more cognitively loaded gesture. It would be nice if that insertion point could be maintained. I do not know if Apple's API would even allow this. I have no idea as to whether this would even be a good idea. - David Leibs -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
Re: [Jbeta] usability idea
Thanks for the crash bug report. It will be fixed. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Joey K Tuttle j...@qued.com wrote: I was trying to experiment with selecting lines in output area for editing by touching past the line (to avoid having the cursor in the middle of the line, should the preserve cursor position be implemented) -- when ... ** BUG REPORT ** I found that selecting a wrapped line, e.g. Result of i. 42.Causes j to crash upon hitting input. - joeyiPho... On May 13, 2012, at 10:45, Henry Rich henryhr...@nc.rr.com wrote: 0. It's a personal thing, perhaps, and users should be permitted to do what's comfortable; 1. Displays may evolve to allow more accurate positioning; 2. Users tend to get more accurate with practice. Henry Rich On 5/13/2012 1:30 PM, Eric Iverson wrote: Yes, but why not touch quickly, grab, and then do the accurate positioning in the input line? On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Joey K Tuttlej...@qued.com wrote: Of course, if you touch and hold a spot in the display the magnifier comes on and lets you position rather accurately. On 2012/05/13 10:14 , Eric Iverson wrote: I will think about this. It makes more sense on a computer as you are touching the line with the mouse which is quite accurate. The iPad touch (at least with my fat fingers) is more random. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Henry Richhenryhr...@nc.rr.com wrote: This is the same suggestion I made a few years back (for JIDE). My natural move is to click on the correct spot in the line, and it is a shame to have lost that position when the line comes down for editing. It would be great to have this as an option for people who work that way. Henry Rich On 5/13/2012 10:01 AM, Eric Iverson wrote: I think the api makes your suggestion possible. I'm not sure it would be a good idea. At least not for me. I stab the line I want at random so would not benefit from having the random position preserved. I'll think about this and see if others have comments. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 7:46 PM, David Leibsdavid.le...@gmail.com wrote: It is easy to select within the workspace. This positions a blinking vertical line at the point of selection. It you then touch the little enter symbol' the line of text is moved to the input area. Unfortunatly your selection point is gone and you have to position the vertical blinking insertion point again and with a slower and more cognitively loaded gesture. It would be nice if that insertion point could be maintained. I do not know if Apple's API would even allow this. I have no idea as to whether this would even be a good idea. - David Leibs -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm -- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
