Re: [Bf-committers] Status of C++
All, thanks for the advice. I have no problem following those recommendations. /LS ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Status of C++
I could not give you a precise answer but many Blender modules are completely written in C++, elbeem fluid simulator is one of them and besides C and C++ have bridges that makes hybrid code possible. I do agree with you that some tasks are easier to do in a completely Object Oriented environment rather than a structured paradigm, readability will be increased a lot among other benefits, perhaps in the future Blender could be rewritten under a C++ base only but I don't see that happen anytime soon, and C is not so bad after all ;) Cheers Farsthary I've looked in a lot of places and Googled, but haven't found any answer: What is the status of C++ in Blender? Should I just take a hint from the fact that it is almost all written in C, or is that an artifact of it being 15 years old? I know that it isn't the easiest language out there, but std::vector is kinda nice, and basic single inheritance, too. I have no problem with C, but that syntactic sugar of C++ is sweet in small doses. /LS ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Status of C++
Hi, The convention is that all modules in Blender have a C API, but within a module a developer can choose whether to use C or C++. It's not very practical to mix C and C++ within sections, which is a reason why most of source/blender/ code still is C. A lot of libararies outside this directory are C++. -Ton- Ton Roosendaal Blender Foundation t...@blender.orgwww.blender.org Blender Institute Entrepotdok 57A 1018AD Amsterdam The Netherlands On 15 Nov, 2010, at 21:49, Leo Sutic wrote: I've looked in a lot of places and Googled, but haven't found any answer: What is the status of C++ in Blender? Should I just take a hint from the fact that it is almost all written in C, or is that an artifact of it being 15 years old? I know that it isn't the easiest language out there, but std::vector is kinda nice, and basic single inheritance, too. I have no problem with C, but that syntactic sugar of C++ is sweet in small doses. /LS ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
[Bf-committers] Status of C++
I've looked in a lot of places and Googled, but haven't found any answer: What is the status of C++ in Blender? Should I just take a hint from the fact that it is almost all written in C, or is that an artifact of it being 15 years old? I know that it isn't the easiest language out there, but std::vector is kinda nice, and basic single inheritance, too. I have no problem with C, but that syntactic sugar of C++ is sweet in small doses. /LS ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Status of C++
Am Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:49:20 +0100 schrieb Leo Sutic leo.su...@gmail.com: I know that it isn't the easiest language out there, but std::vector is kinda nice, and basic single inheritance, too. I have no problem with C, but that syntactic sugar of C++ is sweet in small doses. Please for all gods sake, please don't try to push C++ into Blender. It's a horrible language. This so called syntactic sugar creates more problems than it solves. C is an extremly versatile and powerfull language. And if you know how to use it allows for much more OOP than ever possible in C++. You may want to polish up your C++ knowledge: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ Wolfgang ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Status of C++
I wasn't really asking for an opinion of C++, I was asking what the community had decided, if anything, in regards to use of the language. C++ is already in Blender (GHOST, Audaspace, etc.), so it's not like I have to try to push it in: It's already there. But I need to know just what the deal with it is. /LS On 2010-11-15 21:57, Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: Am Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:49:20 +0100 schrieb Leo Sutic leo.su...@gmail.com: I know that it isn't the easiest language out there, but std::vector is kinda nice, and basic single inheritance, too. I have no problem with C, but that syntactic sugar of C++ is sweet in small doses. Please for all gods sake, please don't try to push C++ into Blender. It's a horrible language. This so called syntactic sugar creates more problems than it solves. C is an extremly versatile and powerfull language. And if you know how to use it allows for much more OOP than ever possible in C++. You may want to polish up your C++ knowledge: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ Wolfgang ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Status of C++
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Leo Sutic leo.su...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't really asking for an opinion of C++, I was asking what the community had decided, if anything, in regards to use of the language. C++ is already in Blender (GHOST, Audaspace, etc.), so it's not like I have to try to push it in: It's already there. But I need to know just what the deal with it is. If you ask, the main code of Blender is in C and the current language for Blender is C. Yes we have library in C++ like Ghost, Audaspace, etc. but check the code, if you need to work on Blender, C is the language. If you are working on a library (for example Ghost), C++ is what you have. So the basic is, check where are you working and keep that language, if you have doubt, ask here in the ML. /LS On 2010-11-15 21:57, Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: Am Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:49:20 +0100 schrieb Leo Sutic leo.su...@gmail.com: I know that it isn't the easiest language out there, but std::vector is kinda nice, and basic single inheritance, too. I have no problem with C, but that syntactic sugar of C++ is sweet in small doses. Please for all gods sake, please don't try to push C++ into Blender. It's a horrible language. This so called syntactic sugar creates more problems than it solves. C is an extremly versatile and powerfull language. And if you know how to use it allows for much more OOP than ever possible in C++. You may want to polish up your C++ knowledge: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ Wolfgang ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Status of C++
Am Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:11:41 +0100 schrieb Leo Sutic leo.su...@gmail.com: I wasn't really asking for an opinion of C++, I was asking what the community had decided, if anything, in regards to use of the language. Using C++ in the Blender Kernel would be very troublesome. For one thing C++ would ruin the whole DNA system. Then most Blender data structures are organized in form of simple linked objects. If you use smart_ptr on them things will break. Doing this kind of thing, which DNA does, sanely in C++ (and with that I mean also using classes, whistles and bells) is a nightmare. std::vector would be of only little use, mostly a replacement for standard C arrays, which are already covered by Blender's guarded alloc. And if you'd use templates somewhere near the type system then you introduce a whole new set of problems. Of course some external helpers may very well be implemented in C++. However if you want to integrate a larger set of things implemented in C++, one must ask: Which features subset I am willing to limit myself. As it turns out, this feature subset boils down to very little above plain C, but with worse semantics. And Blender is already in this situation. GHOST, parts of the math library, Bullet have been implemented in C++, but they're mostly incompatible among themself and need that C glue between them. Wolfgang ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
