[Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Amir Taaki
Hey,

I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we set for 
that page was that all the clients must have the entire sourcecode available 
for review, and users should be able to run it from the sourcecode. Is the 
sourcecode for this client available for review? I couldn't find it.

Otherwise, we should make a separate section for non-opensource clients.


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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread mats
Sources are available here:

http://code.google.com/p/bitcoin-wallet/

Mats

Quoting Amir Taaki zgen...@yahoo.com:

 Hey,

 I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we   
 set for that page was that all the clients must have the entire   
 sourcecode available for review, and users should be able to run it   
 from the sourcecode. Is the sourcecode for this client available for  
  review? I couldn't find it.

 Otherwise, we should make a separate section for non-opensource clients.


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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Amir Taaki
OK thanks. I just went and made those sections then saw your posts.

Anyway we have a section for proprietary clients now. Please tell me if 
anything looks disagreeable, http://bitcoin.org/clients.html

One thing I'm going to do is randomise the positioning order within sections 
upon refresh.



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Sources are available here:

http://code.google.com/p/bitcoin-wallet/

Mats

Quoting Amir Taaki zgen...@yahoo.com:

 Hey,

 I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we  
 set for that page was that all the clients must have the entire  
 sourcecode available for review, and users should be able to run it  
 from the sourcecode. Is the sourcecode for this client available for  
  review? I couldn't find it.

 Otherwise, we should make a separate section for non-opensource clients.


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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Jorge Timón timon.elvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Didn't even know that they were proprietary software bitcoin clients.
 Should people trust them? Should the web promote them?
 After all, you can't know what they do. What if one of them contains a
 back door or something?
 I would say it's better not risk to apologize later.

I agree too.  Not that being open is _any_ guarantee, ideally we'd
want standards
of review and testing, but thats a bit much to ask for right now.

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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've reverted these additions to the page, nothing personal but—

Er, to be clear, I left the android software in because the source is
available (And I'm told its had some review).

I removed the proprietary software section the plug for the
blockchain.info webservices, and the demotion of the armory client.

As far as criteria goes, I don't think we should list anything with a
security model weaker than SPV unless users can practically operate
their own servers. …and even that I'm a little uneasy with, because
most people will use the defaults. Ideally even thin clients would
have a near SPV security model, just without the bandwidth. But since
the alternative for thin clients is centralized web services the lower
standard will probably have better net results for now.

Nor do I think we should list anything which can't currently be
subjected to independent review of the whole stack (e.g. including the
server components in thinclients, unless the server is untrusted). In
the future this should be raised to there existing actual evidence of
third party review.

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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Ben Reeves
Any chance the blockchain.info iphone app could be included on the clients 
page? The source is available under an lGPL license: 
https://github.com/blockchain/My-Wallet-iPhone. More 
info:https://blockchain.info/wallet/iphone-app

Also the javascript web front end can be reviewed using a combination of 
https://github.com/blockchain/My-Wallet and 
https://github.com/blockchain/My-Wallet-Integrity-Checker but I could see why 
that might be more of an issue for the the official site.

Thank You,
Ben Reeves

On 9 Jul 2012, at 15:00, Gregory Maxwell wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Amir Taaki zgen...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hey,
 
 I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we set for 
 that page was that all the clients must have the entire sourcecode available 
 for review, and users should be able to run it from the sourcecode. Is the 
 sourcecode for this client available for review? I couldn't find it.
 
 I've reverted these additions to the page, nothing personal but—
 
 At the moment I'm strongly opposed to including any non-reviewable
 client options (including centrally operated web services) on the
 page, and I think this need to be discussed along with establishing
 requirements.
 
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Harald Schilly
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Amir Taaki zgen...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Is the sourcecode for this client available for review? I couldn't find it.

yes:

http://code.google.com/p/bitcoin-wallet/
and it is built upon
http://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/

harald

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