Re: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths
Hello Jerry, Greetings from Oregon. Here we have a very mild climate and we use Shaklee's Basic H in our water trough to deal with the parasite issue and have had no problems. We use 1/2 cup for 50 gallons of water. If you acquire the super concentrate which is 50% stronger the dilution is 1/8 cup to 25 gallons. We rotate our sheep between 3 pastures and are grateful that our major issue has been coyotes (which are not an issue) as of this writing. Hope this gives you another alternative that is definately different. Our best to you and yours!! Storey Ohana Ranch Casey Michelle Storey - Original Message - From: Jerry blueberryf...@bellsouth.net To: Sheep Group blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths
Minerals play a huge role in our sheep's resistance to parasites. I remember Barb Lee had a ram a few years ago who had a perpetual problem with parasites until she upped his selenium intake, then he was like a whole other ram. Many of the health problems in our animals (and people) are mistaken for a genetic problem, but are actually a nutritional deficiency. Julian On 7/19/2011 1:34 PM, Jerry wrote: Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths/Worming
Have a look at http://www.leopold.iastate.edu/research/grants/1997/1995-34_Alternative_Parasite_Control_for_Sheep_%5B_Organic_%5D.pdf and http://ofrf.org/funded/summaries/allen_98-03_lamb-parasiticides_summary.pdf For a critique of both of these articles, see http://critterhaven.biz/info/articles/critique_of_DE_studies.pdf Also of interest is http://eap.mcgill.ca/agrobio/ab370-04e.htm, which is an article entitled The Control of Internal Parasites in Ruminants. It is a good article (albeit sort of dated) that explains the life cycle of worms, dewormers to use, and alternative deworming methods. Easy to understand and a good primer on parasite management. Carol At 04:05 PM 7/20/2011, you wrote: I recall an article, and perhaps someone on this list remembers where, that presented worm loads in sheep pre and post chemical worming vs sheep maintained on an alternative, DE I believe. Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Parasite deaths
Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Parasite deaths
Jerry, Did you have a fecal done by the vet to ID the parasite in question? If it is barberpole worm(Haemonchus contortus), which is quite resistant down south to a lot of dewormers on the market. I do believe that panacur is not effective. I know that valbazen(Albendazole) is effective for this worm,at least it says so on the label. but can't be given to pregnant ewes or goats the first 30 days of pregnancy as birth defects can occur. On pasture, can you keep the sheep off the grass when it is wet, with morning dew? I think the parasite travels up the wet grass and is more often ingested. Also if the pasture is eaten down, it would more likely be ingested. I am just starting off with sheep, so can't comment with my experience. I do recall reading somewhere that the lambs immature immune system is not parasite efficient (my words) until after 9 months or so. Don't quote me on this age, I may be wrong. Also, I have heard that when using an anthelmic with Barberpole, you can't kill off all the worms at once, as they can GI bleed. Good luck. I have read that parasites are quite a problem in the deep south. Somewhat due to the producers who don't ID the parasite, and who under treat, or use the wrong anthelmic, there by building resistant worms. Also, look up refugia on the internet regarding parasite. Liz Radi Idar Alpacas, Nubian goats and Katahdin Hair Sheep Nunn, Colorado 970-716-7218 idaralpaca.blogspot.com --- blueberryf...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Jerry blueberryf...@bellsouth.net To: Sheep Group blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:34:00 -0500 Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths in Picayune
Jerry, i have 22 Blackbelly sheep and have not lost any to parasites that i am aware of. i have 9 newborn since Jan.-Feb. this year. i live in the Henleyfield area with a Carriere address. stewart Today's Topics: 1. Parasite deaths (Jerry) -- Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
