Re: HAL vs autofs vs ? - need some tips

2009-01-21 Thread Scott
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 09:20:48AM -0700, Scott wrote:
 I am slogging through blfs. I *think* I have finally tracked down all
 of the requirements for HAL, but have some questions. Looking at the
 config details, I see a lot of mention of gnome, and wonder if I am
 doing the right thing.
 
 My ultimate system will be mainly console-based; if I get so far as
 getting X running, it will use a lightweight wm such as fluxbox.
 However, it will be essential that access to samba shares and usb
 plug-in devices be available transparently to the user.
 

Well, with a Monk-ish abhorrence of an unanswered thread, I'll answer
my own question: 

Read clear to the bottom of the page, you idiot, then check out
ivman.

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Re: HAL vs autofs vs ? - need some tips

2009-01-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
Scott wrote:
 Well, with a Monk-ish abhorrence of an unanswered thread, I'll answer
 my own question: 

Well, I'd say Dan gave an excellent effort in trying to help you.
Why would you say unanswered thread?

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Re: HAL vs autofs vs ? - need some tips

2009-01-21 Thread Scott
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:22:48AM -0800, Dan Nicholson wrote:
 On the other hand, if you're comfortable with autofs and can get a
 working setup, it will probably be simpler to use that. HAL can
 provide a much richer and more dynamic experience, but the setup can
 be difficult. If you want a working system today, it might be easier
 to use autofs.

Dan,

Thank you for your comprehensive reply, which I somehow hadn't yet
seen!

I guess I had completely overlooked the Automate mounting of file
systems page which discusses autofs! 

There is a link there to a gentoo-wiki.com HOWTO which unfortunately
appears to be broken. (They lost their whole database. Sounds like
something I would do) Does anyone have some other such resources?

Thanks,
Scott Swanson

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Re: HAL vs autofs vs ? - need some tips

2009-01-21 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Scott wrote:

 There is a link there to a gentoo-wiki.com HOWTO which unfortunately
 appears to be broken. (They lost their whole database. Sounds like
 something I would do) Does anyone have some other such resources?

Umm... Google autofs howto?

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Re: HAL vs autofs vs ? - need some tips

2009-01-21 Thread Scott
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 08:32:48AM -0600, Randy McMurchy wrote:
 Scott wrote:
  Well, with a Monk-ish abhorrence of an unanswered thread, I'll answer
  my own question: 
 
 Well, I'd say Dan gave an excellent effort in trying to help you.
 Why would you say unanswered thread?
 

As I said with great embarassment, I had somehow not seen his reply.
Wasn't threading right on mutt, or I had threading turned off or
something. 

As to the suggestion to google, well yes, I just thought maybe I'd
point out that the link is broken in case anyone cares. If I find
anything good, I will pass it along. I find that 'howto' sites vary
immensely in quality, just thought maybe someone knew of one to
compare to the one originally published on the page.

Sorry, I will crawl back in my cave.

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Re: HAL vs autofs vs ? - need some tips

2009-01-19 Thread Dan Nicholson
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Scott harv...@montana.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I am slogging through blfs. I *think* I have finally tracked down all
 of the requirements for HAL, but have some questions. Looking at the
 config details, I see a lot of mention of gnome, and wonder if I am
 doing the right thing.

 My ultimate system will be mainly console-based; if I get so far as
 getting X running, it will use a lightweight wm such as fluxbox.
 However, it will be essential that access to samba shares and usb
 plug-in devices be available transparently to the user.

 Can anyone point me in the right direction here? I have had great
 success with autofs on my old (Mandrake 7.1 - can't even remember what
 kernel) system with samba; of course, that kernel doesn't even
 recognize usb. However, an updated Mandrivel 2009 seems to have
 difficulties: recognizes the shares, but can't access them. (Works
 okay if I run a gnome app such as nautilus) I don't really know
 what I'm doing, and want to get LFS put together to work flawlessly,
 so I sure will appreciate any advice!

HAL runs as root and has a Mount method that allows unprivileged users
to mount devices. The automatic part comes into play when there is a
service that listens for HAL events that a mountable device shows up.
It then tells HAL to mount it if it believes the user is privileged.
For GNOME, this role is played by gnome-volume-manager/gnome-mount or
nautilus/gvfs in more recent releases.

Two more generic tools that would make more sense on the console are
ivman (to listen to HAL events) and pmount (to handle the mounting).
I've never set this up personally, but I know it can work.

On the other hand, if you're comfortable with autofs and can get a
working setup, it will probably be simpler to use that. HAL can
provide a much richer and more dynamic experience, but the setup can
be difficult. If you want a working system today, it might be easier
to use autofs.

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HAL vs autofs vs ? - need some tips

2009-01-17 Thread Scott
Hi,

I am slogging through blfs. I *think* I have finally tracked down all
of the requirements for HAL, but have some questions. Looking at the
config details, I see a lot of mention of gnome, and wonder if I am
doing the right thing.

My ultimate system will be mainly console-based; if I get so far as
getting X running, it will use a lightweight wm such as fluxbox.
However, it will be essential that access to samba shares and usb
plug-in devices be available transparently to the user.

Can anyone point me in the right direction here? I have had great
success with autofs on my old (Mandrake 7.1 - can't even remember what
kernel) system with samba; of course, that kernel doesn't even
recognize usb. However, an updated Mandrivel 2009 seems to have
difficulties: recognizes the shares, but can't access them. (Works
okay if I run a gnome app such as nautilus) I don't really know
what I'm doing, and want to get LFS put together to work flawlessly,
so I sure will appreciate any advice!

TIA,
Scott Swanson
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