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  Re: 6er and  reviews
  Re: 6er and moronic reviews
  Oil pan sealant??
  Re: Oil pan sealant??
  Jenny - Isetta update?
  Re: <E36> Where to buy Z3 reinforcement plates for RSMs
  Re: Too g_dd_mn funny... [NO CAR CONTENT WHATSOEVER]
  BMW Hand brake cable lengths
  Re: 318i '84 E30 Vibration on Acceleration

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:46:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 6er and  reviews
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


--- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> > And some of the ugliest stock wheels made IMO (not
> that they 
> > aren't easily changed).
> 
> I have to agree here.  However, the available 17"
> 7-spokes are quite nice
> looking.

AC Schnitzer's website has a flash interface with the
new 6.  Their new Type IV wheels (19" I believe) look
great on the new 6.  I too, though, am a bit unmoved
by the new 6's styling, although I don't know if I
could so much say it looks like an Accord.

> I liked the sedans better than the coupes, but I
> like the somewhat more
> muscular stance of the pre-facelifted E46s.

What?! The newer E46s have a much more muscular
appearance to me.  The trimmed out headlights give it
more of a 'growl' feeling IMO.  It seems to me the
suspension is a tiny bit lower too?  Maybe I'm just
imagining, but in combination those make the car have
both a beefier presence as well as a more muscular
look.  Cars with design in the front where it looks
like the car just sucks up pavement like a vaccuum
look pretty good to me.  The E24 M6 is a good example
of the kind of look I'm thinking of, and I think the
facelift on the E46 has given a bit of that same look
to it.

> 
> Lee
>

Brian


                
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:51:42 -0700
From: John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 6er and moronic reviews
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I've noticed significant age-based divide in responses to the new BMW
> design trends: younger people love them, geezers hate them. Most of the
> latter also like the older, more conservative BMW designs and steadily
> migrate towards Mercs.

That may be so, but Daimler-Benz so far also has the legs on BMW 
engine-wise, and ergonomically, and...just about everywhere but the 
chassis.  We'll see how the new M5 pans out in real-world driving.

> As BMW CCA is aging, guess what opinion is getting a lot of airtime... ;-)

I just see a lot of joke-junk in the new shapes.  The E60 and E65 and 
whatever the 6 is are all well-proportioned, but they're all junked-up 
with bad details.  I don't even mind the Banglebutt on the E65, it's the 
tall, blunt nose and the lousy German-hotel-room interior that puts me 
off.  Same story with the E60.

I guess I'm also old enough to hate the Cadillac CTS shape.  The CTS-V, 
on the other hand, is the exact opposite of recent BMWs.  The Bimmers 
are good basic shapes ruined by bad, junky detailing, the CTS-V is a 
lousy basic shape saved by absolutely perfect detail design.  The new 
STS is also looking spectacularly good in photos - better basic 
proportions than the CTS, and a really sweet, conservative interior.

Me, praising Cadillacs?  Think I'll stop off at Safeway on my way to the 
gym and pick up some Depends, I'm obviously going to need them in the 
not too distant future.

> For the record, I LOVE the Z4, the new 6 and the E90 (the new 3).

The Z4 is great from 100 feet away.  Once again good proportions, crappy 
detailing.

The 6 is a friggin' Camry Solara, right down to the ridiculous gouges in 
the hood, but (at least) without the minivan-height beltline of the 
Camry.  The interior, at least, is more BMW than the E60, though as is 
typical in the Bangle era they're trailing along with the Japanese 
trends in slathering the thing with aluminum-finish trim all over the place.

> I also like the iDrive, with all of its imperfections, though I would not
> mind to see some controls physically duplicated (like radio).

iDrive is a good basic idea, needing a whole different control metaphor 
somehow.

> As for the NYT reviews - they were amateurish: comparing the 6er to
> Mustangs and Pontiacs, regretting that plebeians might get thier hands on
> such cars once they depreciate, etc.

Not from my perspective - I wouldn't spend $80K on a car like the 6.

$35K on a GTO, absolutely.  Even a Mustang Cobra, flawed as it is.  I 
can see spending $80K on a sedan, though with the STi and the Evo and 
the CTS-V and the 300C and the S4 on the market you can do very well for 
a good bit less.

If someone offered me a nice plated, documented Trans Am Boss 302 
Mustang racer for $80K I just might set the checkbook on fire scribbling 
out the check.

But things like the 6 just aren't real cars to me.  It's in the Rodeo 
Drive Shopping Cart category.  Even the SL is more of a 'real' car.

I am looking forward to the new SLK55, though - the shape ain't much 
but, if a brief ride-and-drive experience in an SLK350 is any 
indication, the interior's perfect for a two-seater and it's gonna be 
really, really nice to run hard in.

Frankly, the best-looking new car I've seen lately is the Maser 
Quattroporte.  Far, far nicer in person than in pictures.  Don't think 
squat of the coupe, but the sedan proportions are just about perfect, 
and they haven't grossly compromised its usability and outward 
visibility (e.g. Mercedes CLS) to get it.

They've got the beltline down where it belongs on a car, not one of 
these minivan-as-sedan designs e.g. Camry, 300C, CTS, the upcoming 
big-bathtub Ford Five Hundred.

$90K with a 400HP V8.  They need a version with the 575M's V12.  At that 
point it'd be worth damn near whatever they price it at.

Shame...there's so much of the aesthetic of that car that's reminiscent 
of what Infiniti tried to do in the '90s and gave up.  Would have been 
nice if they'd had the courage of their convictions.  Almost makes me 
want to go out and buy another early Q45.

John.

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:19:01 -0500
From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Oil pan sealant??
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Does anyone have a recommendation for sealant to use with the OE oilpan
gasket for my 330i?  TIS specifies Drei Bond 1209 and when I asked about
this at my BMW dealer parts counter they looked at me like I was nuts
and told me to just use silicone sealant.  The guy at my local NAPA
recommended the black RTV but I wanted to see if anyone here had a
better sugestion.

TIA for any info.

Regards

Jamie Howton


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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:30:54 -0500
From: Jenny Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jamie Howton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Oil pan sealant??
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If you are going to use a sealant... My favorite is Permatex "the right  
stuff". Dumb name great product.

USE IT SPARINGLY!!!

The biggest mistake DIYers do is to glop on sealant like it is  
toothpaste. It is not. As the parts come together most squeezes out, so  
why waste a bunch to begin with... Skim it on.. and it'll stay out of  
your moving parts.

Jenny Morgan

On Aug 19, 2004, at 4:19 PM, Jamie Howton wrote:

> Does anyone have a recommendation for sealant to use with the OE oilpan
> gasket for my 330i?  TIS specifies Drei Bond 1209 and when I asked  
> about
> this at my BMW dealer parts counter they looked at me like I was nuts
> and told me to just use silicone sealant.  The guy at my local NAPA
> recommended the black RTV but I wanted to see if anyone here had a
> better sugestion.
>
> TIA for any info.
>
> Regards
>
> Jamie Howton
>
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>
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:52:56 -0400
From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Jenny - Isetta update?
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Waitin' for new pics!

- Rob



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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:19:09 -0400
From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: <E36> Where to buy Z3 reinforcement plates for RSMs
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Lots of other places have them as well.  A nice feature some of them 
offer is that the plates have studs pressed in.  That way you drop the 
plate in from the top and the nuts go in the wheel well.  That way next 
time the RSMs need replacement you don't need to pull out the trunk 
liner.  Just remove the two nuts, swap the RSM and replace the nuts - 
10-minute job.  

Here's one source:
http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RE&Product_Code=RSM_PLATE&Category_Code=S

Brian
'94 325ic

Robinson, Lee wrote:

>Dealer item.....well under $20.
>
>Lee
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Craven
>>Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:56
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [UUC] <E36> Where to buy Z3 reinforcement plates for RSMs
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>>
>>Is this a dealer item or ???
>>
>>Regards,
>>Paul Craven
>>97 M3 4 - Driven 1 mile each day on gravel
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>>the BMW CCA.
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>>UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
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>
>UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
>Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:59:15 -0500
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Simon Leigh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Too g_dd_mn funny... [NO CAR CONTENT WHATSOEVER]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Great story!  Have to say I can really relate to it after spending 6 mos
downunder from Oct last yr to April this yr.  I saw the Croc Hunter
himself about 3 weeks after his stunt of taking his infant into the
"Crocoseum" during a feeding.  At first I thought it was all being blown
way all out proportion (hey, he's an expert and knew what he was doing,
right?).  Then I saw his knee go out on him when he had a 13 foot croc
coming at him with raw meat in his hand.  He had to stop the feeding and
get his mate Wes to take over.  Apparently he'd had knee surgery just
recently (probably about 2 wks before his stunt that got him in
trouble!) and it was still "giving him some trouble".  About as close as
I've ever seen somebody to getting eaten by a croc!  (Crikey, isn't she
gorgeous?!!)

The Aussies are a great bunch of folks to work (and play) with.  I dove
the Great Barrier Reef and toured 4 different wine regions (20 wineries
total!), and saw Handel's Messiah in the Sydney Opera House among many
other awesome experiences (no cow tipping though :-).  Even toured New
Zealand for a few days on my way home!  (Bloody Kiwis!)

Met some of the BMW club of Queensland members on RAAF Base Amberley
where I was working for 2 mos while there thanks to Simon Leigh of this
list (Thanks much Simon!).

Am just now catching my breath and getting back on the list due to much
domestic traveling since my return but thoroughly enjoyed my trip and my
92 325i is still running great thanks to biweekly driving by a good
friend while I was away!  (I guess I could call this OBMWC since that
was the advice I got from most of the list on my last posting before I
left on my trip!).

Cheers!

Phil

92 E36/M50
BMWCCA #187903


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "911" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BMW List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Ferrari List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:30 PM
Subject: [UUC] Too g_dd_mn funny... [NO CAR CONTENT WHATSOEVER]


> Off-topic!  But really amusing!  Especially late at night!
>
> Caution - no nudity, but the f-bomb is thrown a couple of times:
>
> http://www.ubersite.com/m/14857
>
> vty,
>
> --Dennis
>
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________________________________________________________________________
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CCA.
>
> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:52:25 +0000
From: "Gregory Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: BMW Hand brake cable lengths
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'm puting a Farmobil (BMW 700 powertrain & brakes) back on the road and 
have nearly all the parts to redo the brakes from A to Z, except the 
handbrake cables.

I would need help from anyone with a table (or cables they can measure) to 
see where they got these from.  The LOOK like BMW 700 / New Class / 2002 
cables but they are MUCH longer than those used on 700.

The measurements are:

CRITICAL:  cable length (approx), 2.23 M (87 inches)
CAN BE LONGER:  flexible tube section (approx), 66 cm (26 inches)

So would anyone have a hand brake cable to measure (or a table) for my 
quest.  Potential cars (with rear drum brakes) would be:  New Class 4 door, 
2000 CS, 2002, 2800CS, E12 (Euro), E21, etc.

For those who want a digital photo of the cable, I can send this as well.

TIA,

Gregory in Geneva



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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:24:03 -0400
From: "Art Ream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 318i '84 E30 Vibration on Acceleration
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Afternoon everyone,

  Final update on the vibration for reference...  The M10 motor slid to the
drivers side of the car on the old mounts.  Just about 1 1/4" too far and
this killed the Transmission rubber mounts. Sheered the rubber in two...
Replacement and a little TLC...

  Equals= No vibration gone, just hope the flex disk and center drive shaft
bearing are OK.  Nothing sounds wrong now but who know...

Thanks for all the help.
Art 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 318i '84 E30 Vibration on Acceleration

Yes, it could be a motor mount or transmission mount problem.  On the M20
motor, the passenger side motor mount is notoriously weak.  The trans
mounts go bad if the rear trans seal is leaking lube on them.  On the
M20-equipped cars, I've had both mounts fail at different times, but it did
not result in a vibration.  But since you have the M10, I can't tell you
that this is not the case.

Alex Cagann mentioned the flex disc, which, along with the driveshaft
center support bearing, are common failure items too.  But they turn at
road speed, and you said your vibration is engine-speed-related.  Offhand,
I don't know any other common causes of engine speed vibrations.

Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA

>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:10:02 -0400
>From: "Art Ream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: 318i '84 E30 Vibration on Acceleration
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<snip>
>
>   When I accelerate in any gear there is a significant vibration which is
>directly proportional to the engine's rpm.  Now, when in 5 gear running at
>around 50-55 mph, this is reduced significantly but the engine is not
under
>load.  Now if the speed and engine rpm are increased to running at 60-70 a
>constant vibration happens. Noisy as all Hell...
>
>   Could this be engine mounts?  Transmission Mounts?
>
>   I have no idea what to look at first on this one...
>
>Thanks in advance for any suggestions and advice.
>
>Art Ream
>'84 BMW 318i E30




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