Re: [board-discuss] Tender to implement the new TDF Membership Committee’s web-based tooling

2021-05-26 Thread Uwe Altmann

Hi Andreas

Am 26.05.21 um 21:17 schrieb Andreas Mantke:
So go on and...arrange 

^^!!!

That's the point: Stop complaining but go on and nudge a company or a group 
of Plone developers to offer something and to give a credible answer how to 
ensure 5 years of reliable support on this. As a plone developer you'll 
surely know some.
With python we'll have no problem to find someone if we need some changes 
in a few years.




Maybe it's most easy to complain on this. I offered hands-on workshops
with no interest from the TDF community in the past. The TDF admin team
got a training from a Plone core developer some time ago.


...what doesn't change anything on the basic problem. We (in contrast to 
your opinion) did not first set up plone (or something else) and then look 
for people who perhaps maybe want to learn it (which - if we had found some 
- would have been at least the second best solution. But we didn't find 
them).  We have to cut the coat according to our cloth. (btw.: Similar as 
the android app. Sad - but there seems no one out there interested to 
develop under TDFs umbrella)



But there are other software with such Bus_factor in the project, but
nobody is complaining about that (or not loudly / in public).


And what does this contribute to the discussion on the MC tooling? Please 
stay focused.

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Re: [board-discuss] Tender to implement the new TDF Membership Committee’s web-based tooling

2021-05-26 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Uwe, *,

Am 26.05.21 um 20:42 schrieb Uwe Altmann:
> Hi Andreas
>
> Am 26.05.21 um 20:23 schrieb Andreas Mantke:
>> I'd expect that the DMS/CMS Plone could deliver about 90 % of the
>> expected functionality within it's core code or within an add-on. The
>> accessibility, stability and security also shouldn't be an issue.
>> (https://plone.org/accessibility-info). And it's OSS software.
>
> So go on and feel free to make or arrange an offer covering /all/ the
> described use cases and further specified requirements. Python is
> labeled as preferred (because of [1]), not as required!
thus I'm not a freelancer and not owner of a company I'm not able to bid
on such a tender. I also not allowed to do such work within an
additional business.
>
> Concerning Plone as platform: I tend to prefer something with a
> slightly better bus factor [1] than our Plone experience has shown in
> the past. But also here: Insights welcome.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

Maybe it's most easy to complain on this. I offered hands-on workshops
with no interest from the TDF community in the past. The TDF admin team
got a training from a Plone core developer some time ago.

But there are other software with such Bus_factor in the project, but
nobody is complaining about that (or not loudly / in public).

Regards,
Andreas

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Re: [board-discuss] Tender to implement the new TDF Membership Committee’s web-based tooling

2021-05-26 Thread Uwe Altmann

Hi Andreas

Am 26.05.21 um 20:23 schrieb Andreas Mantke:

I'd expect that the DMS/CMS Plone could deliver about 90 % of the
expected functionality within it's core code or within an add-on. The
accessibility, stability and security also shouldn't be an issue. 
(https://plone.org/accessibility-info). And it's OSS software.


So go on and feel free to make or arrange an offer covering /all/ the 
described use cases and further specified requirements. Python is labeled 
as preferred (because of [1]), not as required!


Concerning Plone as platform: I tend to prefer something with a slightly 
better bus factor [1] than our Plone experience has shown in the past. But 
also here: Insights welcome.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
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Re: [board-discuss] Tender to implement the new TDF Membership Committee’s web-based tooling

2021-05-26 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

Am 26.05.21 um 14:47 schrieb Mike Saunders:
> Hello,
>
> Today we've published a tender to implement the new TDF Membership
> Committee’s web-based tooling:
>
> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/05/26/tender-to-implement-the-new-tdf-membership-committees-web-based-tooling-202105-01/
>
it's always funny to have a quick look on such tenders. I'd expect that
the DMS/CMS Plone could deliver about 90 % of the expected functionality
within it's core code or within an add-on. The accessibility, stability
and security also shouldn't be an issue.
(https://plone.org/accessibility-info). And it's OSS software.

Don't always reinvent the wheel, instead build your tooling on already
available great and stable software with little effort and small amount
of donation money..

Have a nice evening,
Andreas

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[board-discuss] Tender to implement the new TDF Membership Committee’s web-based tooling

2021-05-26 Thread Mike Saunders
Hello,

Today we've published a tender to implement the new TDF Membership
Committee’s web-based tooling:

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/05/26/tender-to-implement-the-new-tdf-membership-committees-web-based-tooling-202105-01/

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