Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2020-09-11
Hi Andreas Am 17.09.20 um 18:56 schrieb Andreas Mantke: > I already knew the German binding text. But you are following only the > first interpretation method. But that is not the whole story ;-) But it's the text. The topic may be worth a discussion, but here and now these are "Da Rules". Interested in the second interpretation method. And of course in the whole story too. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Uwe Altmann -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2020-09-11
Hi Uwe, Am 16.09.20 um 17:07 schrieb Uwe Altmann: > Hi Andreas > > Am 15.09.20 um 20:17 schrieb Andreas Mantke: >> This gives three members/members representatives with affiliation >> 'Collabora Productivity' during this board call. > Nope. > Following the cited message at > https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/2019/msg00109.html > , it looks to me Infinis beeing a partner, not an subsidiary of Collabora. > Reading the German original text of § 8 (4) of our statutes [1], "afiliate" > has the clear meaning of "subsidiary", not "partner". > > As you wrote: >> ...if there has nothing changed... > > [1] "...für dieselbe Firma, Organisation oder Einheit oder einer ihrer > Tochterorganisationen als Angestellte arbeiten." I already knew the German binding text. But you are following only the first interpretation method. But that is not the whole story ;-) Regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2020-09-11
Hi Andreas Am 15.09.20 um 20:17 schrieb Andreas Mantke: > This gives three members/members representatives with affiliation > 'Collabora Productivity' during this board call. Nope. Following the cited message at https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/2019/msg00109.html , it looks to me Infinis beeing a partner, not an subsidiary of Collabora. Reading the German original text of § 8 (4) of our statutes [1], "afiliate" has the clear meaning of "subsidiary", not "partner". As you wrote: > ...if there has nothing changed... [1] "...für dieselbe Firma, Organisation oder Einheit oder einer ihrer Tochterorganisationen als Angestellte arbeiten." -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Uwe Altmann -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2020-09-11
Hi, Am 15.09.20 um 14:24 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > > The Document Foundation > Board of Directors Meeting 2020-09-11 > Meeting Minutes > > Date: 2020-09-11 > Location: Jitsi > > Session chair: Franklin Weng > Keeper of the minutes: Stephan Ficht > > In the meeting: Gabriele Ponzo (MC), Cor Nouws (Board), Paolo Vecchi > (Deputy), Franklin Weng (Board), Florian Effenberger (ED), Thorsten > Behrens (Board), Marina Latini, Nicolas Christener (Deputy), Michael > Weghorn, Italo Vignoli (Team), Michael Meeks (Board), Stephan Ficht > (Team), Kendy, Emiliano Vavassori (Board), Muhammet Kara (MC), Xisco > Faulí (Team), Ahmad Haris (MC) > > Representation: Nicolas for Lothar, Paolo for Daniel if there has nothing changed (because there is nothing new published about partnership) this affiliation should be valid further: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/2019/msg00109.html This gives three members/members representatives with affiliation 'Collabora Productivity' during this board call. The statutes has a rule for the affiliation of each body (board and MC) in § 8 IV to prevent CoI: only a third of the members with the same affiliation: 7/3 ---> only 2 members. Conclusion: only Paolo could do the representation. Regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2020-09-11
Thank you for sharing. Just a little correction please: Il giorno mar 15 set 2020 alle ore 14:25 Florian Effenberger < flo...@documentfoundation.org> ha scritto: > > [...] + been reached out to by many members (Gabriele) > + wanted to represent their concerns. > + not defined as anonymous; it's the whole MC writing to the Board. > + want to avoid citing those who reached out to the MC > + a letter from the whole MC, had a vote - anonymously to do that > I just said "unanimously" :) --- Gabriele Ponzo GPS - Terni >
[board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2020-09-11
The Document Foundation Board of Directors Meeting 2020-09-11 Meeting Minutes Date: 2020-09-11 Location: Jitsi Session chair: Franklin Weng Keeper of the minutes: Stephan Ficht In the meeting: Gabriele Ponzo (MC), Cor Nouws (Board), Paolo Vecchi (Deputy), Franklin Weng (Board), Florian Effenberger (ED), Thorsten Behrens (Board), Marina Latini, Nicolas Christener (Deputy), Michael Weghorn, Italo Vignoli (Team), Michael Meeks (Board), Stephan Ficht (Team), Kendy, Emiliano Vavassori (Board), Muhammet Kara (MC), Xisco Faulí (Team), Ahmad Haris (MC) Representation: Nicolas for Lothar, Paolo for Daniel (See https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ subject "Representation statements") Deputy Chairman of the Board is in the meeting. One of the Chairman or Deputy Chairman is required to be present or represented for having a quorate call. The Board of Directors at time of the call consists of 7 seat holders without deputies. In order to be quorate, the call needs to have 1/2 of the Board of Directors members, which gives 4. A total of 7 Board of Directors members are attending the call. The board waives all formal statutory requirements, or requirements in the foundations articles, or other requirements regarding form and invitation, time limits, and for the topics discussed in this meeting. The meeting is quorate and invitation happened in time. From now on, motions can be passed with the agreement of a simple majority of those remaining present. The majority threshold is currently 4. The meeting commences at 13:02 Berlin time. Agenda Public part 1. Q: Answering Questions from the community (All, max. 10 min) Rationale: Provide an opportunity for the community to ask questions to the board and about TDF. + any questions? (Franklin) + -none- 2. Inform & Discuss: Open letter of the membership committee to the board (Board members, all 10 min) Rationale: Feedback and further steps for mentioned issues with old and/or new MC, especially handling of minutes of board meetings + any discussing about the MC Open Letter? (Franklin) + how was it perceived? (Kendy) + board not discussed it yet, but I understand the MC (Franklin) + past half year - many things gradually get on-track + suggestions in the open-letter, understand & mostly agree. + want to improve board <-> community communication. + agree - challenging to do the right communication (Cor) + in general agree (Thorsten) + fact that there is lots of public discussion & non-uniform opinion + is perhaps a positive sign - this is what people were asking for + outside view is lots of quarrelling - but that's now just public, was board-internal before + not continuously (Cor) + was regular + after 10 years some self-reflection / status-quo challenge is good. (Thorsten) + don't share the "all negative, all doomed, all a disaster" good things happening. + hope of a discussion - is when it starts people are willing to change their mind - or debate doesn't make sense. + writing an Open Letter is a bit of a last resort (Thorsten) + were all other avenues used before ? + board is quite diverse - opposite of uniform + good - we need the entire community represented. + writing it anonymously, and addressing the entire board is perhaps doing step 3 before step 2. + not talked to anyone, no-one talked to me - shouldn't MC reach out directly before? + been reached out to by many members (Gabriele) + wanted to represent their concerns. + not defined as anonymous; it's the whole MC writing to the Board. + want to avoid citing those who reached out to the MC + a letter from the whole MC, had a vote - anonymously to do that + an offer to help. + timing was not so simple to carry it out. + lets see with the next MC + was voting - whole of MC ? (Michael) + voting right just for the members (Gabriele) + but not got any objection from deputies + good to reach out - appreciated (Cor) + understand - keen to check details (Marina) + don't think a community member not feeling confident about a board decision - should be forced to directly contact the board members + the MC is here for listening too. + a community member can decide whether it's better to go direct, or indirect. + agreed & understood (Thorsten, Cor) + how many people contacted ? (Thorsten) + the number is around ten people (Gabriele) + around the same we have participating from community in the discussions + key points are (Gabriele) + CoI topic + Transparency topic + MC - private minutes
