Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Simon Phipps]

Thanks, Florian, nice work.

Cheers

Simon

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 3:24 PM Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> sorry this took a bit longer than anticipated. I've merged all the
> proposals into
>
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/i3ByXJK7a7GNXaC
>
> and plan to publish this early next week. Please make only critical
> changes now, not minor edits anymore.
>
> @Mike Saunders: Can you, based on the above text, prepare a blog post
> draft for me to review by Monday morning?
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Florian
>
> --
> To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org
> Problems?
> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
> List archive:
> https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/
> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
>
>

-- 
*Simon Phipps*
*Office:* +1 (415) 683-7660 *or* +44 (238) 098 7027
*Signal/Mobile*:  +44 774 776 2816

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

sorry this took a bit longer than anticipated. I've merged all the 
proposals into


https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/i3ByXJK7a7GNXaC

and plan to publish this early next week. Please make only critical 
changes now, not minor edits anymore.


@Mike Saunders: Can you, based on the above text, prepare a blog post 
draft for me to review by Monday morning?


Thanks a lot,
Florian

--
To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/
Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 15.6.2022 10.33, Uwe Altmann wrote:

Hi Flo

Am 23.05.22 um 10:38 schrieb Florian Effenberger:


The latest version is available at 
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/CSzrtsKJt4GKY7P


For any last comments and edits, please send them in by Friday this 
week. We then will finalize the job posting and aim for a publication 
possibly next week.


Sorry for being (too?) late, just found the time to read it: Perhaps 
Django/Python skills for the new MC application would also be a "nice to 
have" and worth mentioning?


That is generally implied in the nice-to-have item for backend dev 
experience.


Ilmari

--
To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/
Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Uwe Altmann]

Hi Flo

Am 23.05.22 um 10:38 schrieb Florian Effenberger:


The latest version is available at 
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/CSzrtsKJt4GKY7P


For any last comments and edits, please send them in by Friday this week. 
We then will finalize the job posting and aim for a publication possibly 
next week.


Sorry for being (too?) late, just found the time to read it: Perhaps 
Django/Python skills for the new MC application would also be a "nice to 
have" and worth mentioning?

--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Uwe Altmann

--
To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/
Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote on 03/06/2022 11:23:

https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Shared&openfile=926267 


the last link doesn't seem to point to a file, so I'm not sure if what 


(I already had a bit fishy feeling with the file, hence I pasted all my 
changes in the mail ;) )


... so I'm not sure if what 
you write below is already in the document from the first link.


For sure not. ("On May 9 I added some suggestions to the Nextcloud 
version that apparently have gone lost:")



Changed:
* Maintain and improve the user-facing (frontend) part of our (custom) 
web applications and (internal and external focused) websites


That's quite a mouthful. ;-) I'd rephrase it as

* Maintain and improve the user-facing (frontend) part of our web 
applications. This includes external and internal applications, and some 
custom projects.


Fine.

We then need to update also the next line, "...fixes to the applications 
we use".



Remark:
* Collaborate with volunteer contributors around the globe.
   => Collaboration is not a task as such, but a way in which the 
tasks are achieved..


Yes, but I think it's nice to mention that. We can add it to the section 
title as "As our future Web Technology Export, you work with a great 
team of currently twelve, and collaborate with volunteers around the 
globe to:"


Yes, adding it to a different section makes sense indeed.


Changed:
* Take care of tools we use for localisation and of accessibility 
requirements


The tools are already covered by the "web applications" term. What is 
meant here, IMHO, is that for all our tools we should ensure proper 
accessibility as well as localization options, that having a focus on 
that is a part of the role.


Ah :) So "Take care of...  our tools"?


Remark:
* Make our tools usable both with desktop and mobile devices
   => No idea if that is far reaching, in the sense that it can be 
very complicated? So maybe add 'as far as reasonable achievable'


We had issues in the past e.g. with the LibOCon website that was not 
usable from a mobile, so I think this is a key competence the person 
needs.


Yes, I agree.

These days, with devices ranging from desktop to tablet to 
mobile, at least where sensible we should ask for that. How about "Make 
as many of our tools usable ... as possible"?


Yes, something like that. Just to recognize maybe something falls off 
the plate.



Changed:
* Follow web technologies and trends and bring them to TDF web 
services with suggesting, discussing and implementation.


In the current document there is "Suggest, discuss and follow..." - I 
think that is easier to read thatn "with suggesting, discussing and 
implementation". We could make it even easier and say "Evaluate web 
technologies and bring them...".


That's indeed clearer.

I propose that Ilmari and me finish the tender based on the latest 
edits, and aim to publish it early next week.



Looks good - thanks!

Cor

--
Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors
The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin
Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts
Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint

GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28  A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6
mobile  : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001
skype   : cornouws
blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com
jabber  : cor4off...@jabber.org


--
To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/
Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Cor,

Cor Nouws wrote on 23.05.22 at 14:51:


Florian Effenberger wrote on 23.05.22 at 10:37:


[..]


https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/i3ByXJK7a7GNXaC


[..]

https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Shared&openfile=926267 


the last link doesn't seem to point to a file, so I'm not sure if what 
you write below is already in the document from the first link.



Changed:
* Maintain and improve the user-facing (frontend) part of our (custom) 
web applications and (internal and external focused) websites


That's quite a mouthful. ;-) I'd rephrase it as

* Maintain and improve the user-facing (frontend) part of our web 
applications. This includes external and internal applications, and some 
custom projects.


We then need to update also the next line, "...fixes to the applications 
we use".



Remark:
* Collaborate with volunteer contributors around the globe.
   => Collaboration is not a task as such, but a way in which the tasks 
are achieved..


Yes, but I think it's nice to mention that. We can add it to the section 
title as "As our future Web Technology Export, you work with a great 
team of currently twelve, and collaborate with volunteers around the 
globe to:"



Changed:
* Take care of tools we use for localisation and of accessibility 
requirements


The tools are already covered by the "web applications" term. What is 
meant here, IMHO, is that for all our tools we should ensure proper 
accessibility as well as localization options, that having a focus on 
that is a part of the role.



Remark:
* Make our tools usable both with desktop and mobile devices
   => No idea if that is far reaching, in the sense that it can be very 
complicated? So maybe add 'as far as reasonable achievable'


We had issues in the past e.g. with the LibOCon website that was not 
usable from a mobile, so I think this is a key competence the person 
needs. These days, with devices ranging from desktop to tablet to 
mobile, at least where sensible we should ask for that. How about "Make 
as many of our tools usable ... as possible"?



Changed:
* Follow web technologies and trends and bring them to TDF web services 
with suggesting, discussing and implementation.


In the current document there is "Suggest, discuss and follow..." - I 
think that is easier to read thatn "with suggesting, discussing and 
implementation". We could make it even easier and say "Evaluate web 
technologies and bring them...".


I propose that Ilmari and me finish the tender based on the latest 
edits, and aim to publish it early next week.


Florian

--
To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/
Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Cor Nouws]

Hi all,

Florian Effenberger wrote on 23/05/2022 10:38:


Florian Effenberger wrote on 23.05.22 at 10:37:

thanks a lot for your feedback, everyone, and thanks a lot Ilmari for 
driving this!


The latest version is available at 
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/CSzrtsKJt4GKY7P


For any last comments and edits, please send them in by Friday this 
week. We then will finalize the job posting and aim for a publication 
possibly next week.


correction: the correct URL is 
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/i3ByXJK7a7GNXaC


On May 9 I added some suggestions to the Nextcloud version that 
apparently have gone lost:


https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Shared&openfile=926267

Changed:
* Maintain and improve the user-facing (frontend) part of our (custom) 
web applications and (internal and external focused) websites


Remark:
* Collaborate with volunteer contributors around the globe.
  => Collaboration is not a task as such, but a way in which the tasks 
are achieved..


Changed:
* Take care of tools we use for localisation and of accessibility 
requirements


Remark:
* Make our tools usable both with desktop and mobile devices
  => No idea if that is far reaching, in the sense that it can be very 
complicated? So maybe add 'as far as reasonable achievable'


Changed:
* Follow web technologies and trends and bring them to TDF web services 
with suggesting, discussing and implementation.


Cheers,
Cor


--
Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors
The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin
Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts
Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint

GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28  A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6
mobile  : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001
skype   : cornouws
blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com
jabber  : cor4off...@jabber.org


--
To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/
Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

Florian Effenberger wrote on 23.05.22 at 10:37:

thanks a lot for your feedback, everyone, and thanks a lot Ilmari for 
driving this!


The latest version is available at 
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/CSzrtsKJt4GKY7P


For any last comments and edits, please send them in by Friday this 
week. We then will finalize the job posting and aim for a publication 
possibly next week.


correction: the correct URL is 
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/i3ByXJK7a7GNXaC


Florian

--
To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/
Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

thanks a lot for your feedback, everyone, and thanks a lot Ilmari for 
driving this!


The latest version is available at 
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/CSzrtsKJt4GKY7P


For any last comments and edits, please send them in by Friday this 
week. We then will finalize the job posting and aim for a publication 
possibly next week.


Florian

--
Florian Effenberger, Executive Director (Geschäftsführer)
Tel: +49 30 5557992-50 | Mail: flo...@documentfoundation.org
The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE
Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts
Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint

--
To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/
Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

I guess it could be added as a nice-to-have. In the task list, there is 
the entry:

"Take care of localisation needs and accessibility requirements"

I keep accessibility in mind when making changes or building something 
from scratch. Recently I made an SEO overview of many of our sites and 
it included some quick accessibility tester results. You can direct 
feedback about web page accessibility to me.


Ilmari

On 11.5.2022 14.08, Simon Phipps wrote:

Hi!

I have been chatting on Mastodon with a blind user who has feedback 
about the choices made in the web design and the resulting ease of 
access of the web pages using a screen reader (tl;dr: they think there 
are easy improvements possible). It would be excellent if the new hire 
had experience consulting with and designing for users with 
disabilities. Perhaps this preference could be added to the 
"Skills" section of the job description?


Cheers

Simon

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 8:49 AM Ilmari Lauhakangas 
> wrote:


Hello,

one of the approved [1] contracts is

        part-time web technology expert

The board would like to work together in public with all of you on this
job posting before it gets officially published. The current draft is
therefore shared at

https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/CSzrtsKJt4GKY7P


The board is happy to get your feedback and proposals. We'd like to
discuss this ideally in the board call on Monday, May 30, at 1800
Berlin
time. Please send your feedback to the public
board-discuss@documentfoundation.org
 mailing list.

Looking forward to your feedback,

Ilmari

[1]

https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/2022/msg00400.html





--
*Simon Phipps*,/// Trustee, /The Document Foundation



--
To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/
Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Simon Phipps]

Hi!

I have been chatting on Mastodon with a blind user who has feedback about
the choices made in the web design and the resulting ease of access of the
web pages using a screen reader (tl;dr: they think there are easy
improvements possible). It would be excellent if the new hire had
experience consulting with and designing for users with disabilities.
Perhaps this preference could be added to the "Skills" section of the job
description?

Cheers

Simon

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 8:49 AM Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> one of the approved [1] contracts is
>
>part-time web technology expert
>
> The board would like to work together in public with all of you on this
> job posting before it gets officially published. The current draft is
> therefore shared at
>
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/CSzrtsKJt4GKY7P
>
> The board is happy to get your feedback and proposals. We'd like to
> discuss this ideally in the board call on Monday, May 30, at 1800 Berlin
> time. Please send your feedback to the public
> board-discuss@documentfoundation.org mailing list.
>
> Looking forward to your feedback,
>
> Ilmari
>
> [1]
>
> https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/2022/msg00400.html
>
>

-- 
*Simon Phipps*, * Trustee, *The Document Foundation

[board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Hello,

one of the approved [1] contracts is

  part-time web technology expert

The board would like to work together in public with all of you on this 
job posting before it gets officially published. The current draft is 
therefore shared at


https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/CSzrtsKJt4GKY7P

The board is happy to get your feedback and proposals. We'd like to 
discuss this ideally in the board call on Monday, May 30, at 1800 Berlin 
time. Please send your feedback to the public 
board-discuss@documentfoundation.org mailing list.


Looking forward to your feedback,

Ilmari

[1] 
https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/2022/msg00400.html


--
To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org
Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/
Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy