Re: [board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Am 26.03.21 um 12:24 schrieb Uwe Altmann: > Hi Andreas > > Am 26.03.21 um 11:03 schrieb Andreas Mantke: >> And to what perception of TDF's bodies/team from the community / the >> outside would that lead? > > I didn't sign either. Imho it was not appropriate because (besides I'm > not a member of any of TDFs bodies) this is not a statement of single > persons but a statement of the TDF as an own body. This has to be > decided by (a majority of) the BoD only. So Lothars signature, based > on a decision of the BoD would have been absolutely enough from the statutes this is correct. But sometimes there are good reasons in special topics to express your personal support for a message and an action. This seemed to be the case here. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Hi Andreas Am 26.03.21 um 11:03 schrieb Andreas Mantke: And to what perception of TDF's bodies/team from the community / the outside would that lead? I didn't sign either. Imho it was not appropriate because (besides I'm not a member of any of TDFs bodies) this is not a statement of single persons but a statement of the TDF as an own body. This has to be decided by (a majority of) the BoD only. So Lothars signature, based on a decision of the BoD would have been absolutely enough - all further "good will"-signatures are rather distracting an lead in the end to some kind of strange discussions as we can see here. Case of "contradiction of well done is well-meant". So - again imho - there are not too less but too many signatures under this document. But feel free to organize a collection of signatures in this case in parallel. Seeing forward to read the document anyone who has concerns with this case may sign (and I'm sure there will be many). -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Uwe Altmann -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Hi Michael, Am 25.03.21 um 17:37 schrieb Michael Meeks: > Hi Andreas, > > On 25/03/2021 15:06, Andreas Mantke wrote: >> I'm missing some members of TDF bodies and the team here. >> Had they not reached in time or are there different views >> on the topic in general or only the wording? > I think I mentioned the difficulty and expense in time of getting a > consensus view quickly from a diverse set of people at the outset. I try to envision all members of TDF's bodies and team would have followed your approach here what would have been the result? And to what perception of TDF's bodies/team from the community / the outside would that lead? And what would be the perception send to organizations reluctant to act appropriate on such cases? What about the perception of the people, involved in such cases (on both 'sides')? > > I'd would say this is a pretty good showing, and while I personally had > reservations about elements of this approach so didn't put my name to it > - it's certainly not safe to conclude that others who are not present > did not support it in part or total too. > The question didn't assume that the missing members of bodies and team didn't support that TDF publish a statement on this and/or take action. Stay healthy! Best regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Hi Cor, all, Am 25.03.21 um 18:04 schrieb Cor Nouws: > Hi Andreas, > > Andreas Mantke wrote on 25/03/2021 16:06: > >> I'm missing some members of TDF bodies and the team here. Had they not >> reached in time or are there different views on the topic in general or >> only the wording? > I would have preferred a different wording. However, thought I indicated > that I would go with the majority vote. But apparently that was not > understood as to put my name there. But compared to this and other > serious things ongoing around us, that's no big deal for me. > thanks for your answer. Keep well and fit, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 25/03/2021 16:06: > I'm missing some members of TDF bodies and the team here. Had they not > reached in time or are there different views on the topic in general or > only the wording? I would have preferred a different wording. However, thought I indicated that I would go with the majority vote. But apparently that was not understood as to put my name there. But compared to this and other serious things ongoing around us, that's no big deal for me. HTH, Cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 mobile : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001 skype : cornouws blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com jabber : cor4off...@jabber.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Hi Andreas, On 25/03/2021 15:06, Andreas Mantke wrote: > I'm missing some members of TDF bodies and the team here. > Had they not reached in time or are there different views > on the topic in general or only the wording? I think I mentioned the difficulty and expense in time of getting a consensus view quickly from a diverse set of people at the outset. I'd would say this is a pretty good showing, and while I personally had reservations about elements of this approach so didn't put my name to it - it's certainly not safe to conclude that others who are not present did not support it in part or total too. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Hi, first thanks for the statement! Am 25.03.21 um 14:56 schrieb Lothar K. Becker: > Dear LibreOffice Community, > Dear Open Source Community, > (...) > We are all perfectly aware of the consequences also for our project, > given that the FSF is a member of our advisory board. > > We clearly expect a strong evidence that the FSF found a proper > solution to the severe impact their actions have had on the global > free software community. We will suspend FSF‘s membership in our > advisory board and cease any other activity with this organization and > their representatives, until the situation is healed. if I understand this sentence correctly, the advisory board membership has been suspended. If this is correct, the TDF website needs an alignment. > > Thanks for your support. > > Lothar Becker (TDF Board) > Daniel Armando Rodriguez (TDF Board) > Franklin Weng (TDF Board) > Thorsten Behrens (TDF Board) > Emiliano Vavassori (TDF Board) > Paolo Vecchi (TDF Board) > > Marina Latini (TDF Membership Committee) > Gabriele Ponzo (TDF Membership Committee) > Ahmad Haris (TDF Membership Committee) > Dennis Roczek (TDF Membership Committee) > Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco (TDF Membership Committee) > Shinji Enoki (TDF Membership Committee) > Jona Azizaj (TDF Membership Committee) > > Florian Effenberger (TDF Team) > Sophie Gautier (TDF Team) > Olivier Hallot (TDF Team) > Italo Vignoli (TDF Team) > Xisco Fauli (TDF Team) > Christian Lohmaier (TDF Team) > Guilhem Moulin (TDF Team) > I'm missing some members of TDF bodies and the team here. Had they not reached in time or are there different views on the topic in general or only the wording? Regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Dear LibreOffice Community, Dear Open Source Community, all of us at The Document Foundation are following the discussion in the global free software community about Richard M. Stallman’s return to the Free Software Foundation (FSF) board of directors. We do share your concerns, and we do take this situation very seriously. Our worldwide community is strongly committed to have a safe, welcoming, harmonious and inclusive environment, based on dignity and support. We absolutely do not tolerate harassment of any kind. Working together in trust requires mutual respect and understanding. These standards are also part of our guiding statutes that we expect all our community members and affiliates to follow. We have therefore reached out to the FSF’s representative in our advisory board, asking for details and for a statement which confirms their commitment to our core values. We are all perfectly aware of the consequences also for our project, given that the FSF is a member of our advisory board. We clearly expect a strong evidence that the FSF found a proper solution to the severe impact their actions have had on the global free software community. We will suspend FSF‘s membership in our advisory board and cease any other activity with this organization and their representatives, until the situation is healed. Thanks for your support. Lothar Becker (TDF Board) Daniel Armando Rodriguez (TDF Board) Franklin Weng (TDF Board) Thorsten Behrens (TDF Board) Emiliano Vavassori (TDF Board) Paolo Vecchi (TDF Board) Marina Latini (TDF Membership Committee) Gabriele Ponzo (TDF Membership Committee) Ahmad Haris (TDF Membership Committee) Dennis Roczek (TDF Membership Committee) Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco (TDF Membership Committee) Shinji Enoki (TDF Membership Committee) Jona Azizaj (TDF Membership Committee) Florian Effenberger (TDF Team) Sophie Gautier (TDF Team) Olivier Hallot (TDF Team) Italo Vignoli (TDF Team) Xisco Fauli (TDF Team) Christian Lohmaier (TDF Team) Guilhem Moulin (TDF Team) -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors, chairman The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
