Re: [board-discuss] Representation statement
Hello Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote: I already learned from this thread, that there are already three board members with the same affiliation. The third one was disclosed in this thread. There were no information about this affiliation in this message: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/msg04346.html or in a follow up on this list. I will try to call you this week, so we can talk about your concerns directly on the phone. We haven't chatted in a while, so this is a good opportunity, I think. :-) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Representation statement
Hello, Am 20.02.20 um 15:56 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Hello Andreas, > > Andreas Mantke wrote: >> it's your view on the statutes and the reasons for the rule about >> affiliation. I don't share that. > > independent of the reading of the statutes - what Franklin sent is > just the representation statement. That per se does not trigger this > conflict of interest rule. > > Amongst a variety of other things, it depends on the actual meeting > composition and the topics voted or discussed, so I propose to have > that discussion when an actual representation takes place. > > If there are concerns on the wording of the statement, happy to talk > on the phone with you anytime. > I already learned from this thread, that there are already three board members with the same affiliation. The third one was disclosed in this thread. There were no information about this affiliation in this message: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/msg04346.html or in a follow up on this list. Regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Representation statement
Hello Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote: it's your view on the statutes and the reasons for the rule about affiliation. I don't share that. independent of the reading of the statutes - what Franklin sent is just the representation statement. That per se does not trigger this conflict of interest rule. Amongst a variety of other things, it depends on the actual meeting composition and the topics voted or discussed, so I propose to have that discussion when an actual representation takes place. If there are concerns on the wording of the statement, happy to talk on the phone with you anytime. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Executive Director (Geschäftsführer) Tel: +49 30 5557992-50 | Mail: flo...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Representation statement
Hello Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote: it's your view on the statutes and the reasons for the rule about affiliation. I don't share that. independent of the reading of the statutes - what Franklin sent is just the representation statement. That per se does not trigger this conflict of interest rule. Amongst a variety of other things, it depends on the actual meeting composition and the topics voted or discussed, so I propose to have that discussion when an actual representation takes place. If there are concerns on the wording of the statement, happy to talk on the phone with you anytime. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Executive Director (Geschäftsführer) Tel: +49 30 5557992-50 | Mail: flo...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Representation statement
Hi Michael, Am 20.02.20 um 15:11 schrieb Michael Meeks: > Hi Andreas, > > On 20/02/2020 13:57, Andreas Mantke wrote: >> Am 20.02.20 um 14:47 schrieb Franklin Weng: >>> I, Franklin Weng, elected member of the Board of Directors of The >>> Document Foundation, hereby and until further notice, nominate the >>> following deputies to represent me during board calls and meetings, in >>> the order set forth below: >>> >>> 1. Nicolas Christener >>> 2. Paolo Vecchi >> if I remember correctly Nicolas is partner of Collabora. Thus there >> might be three person with the same affiliation in the board call, if >> he'll represent you. This wouldn't be in accordance with the statutes. > As Franklin is also a partner, that seems rather moot. it's your view on the statutes and the reasons for the rule about affiliation. I don't share that. > > Beyond that - I think, once again, your interpretation of affiliation > is not one that stands up to scrutiny. > > It is also somewhat offensive to insinuate that Collabora's partners > are not free agents who can and do act in the best interests of the > community they were elected to represent. > From the statutes, It really doesn't matter, what they are doing, thinking etc. The rule about affiliation tries to prevent TDF from _possible_ CoI and predominance. I want to underline that I don't think the way you try to impute to me. I learned a lot from your reply and its tone. Kind regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Representation statement
Hi Andreas, On 20/02/2020 13:57, Andreas Mantke wrote: > Am 20.02.20 um 14:47 schrieb Franklin Weng: >> I, Franklin Weng, elected member of the Board of Directors of The >> Document Foundation, hereby and until further notice, nominate the >> following deputies to represent me during board calls and meetings, in >> the order set forth below: >> >> 1. Nicolas Christener >> 2. Paolo Vecchi > > if I remember correctly Nicolas is partner of Collabora. Thus there > might be three person with the same affiliation in the board call, if > he'll represent you. This wouldn't be in accordance with the statutes. As Franklin is also a partner, that seems rather moot. Beyond that - I think, once again, your interpretation of affiliation is not one that stands up to scrutiny. It is also somewhat offensive to insinuate that Collabora's partners are not free agents who can and do act in the best interests of the community they were elected to represent. Regards, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Representation statement
Hi, Am 20.02.20 um 14:47 schrieb Franklin Weng: > I, Franklin Weng, elected member of the Board of Directors of The > Document Foundation, hereby and until further notice, nominate the > following deputies to represent me during board calls and meetings, in > the order set forth below: > > 1. Nicolas Christener > 2. Paolo Vecchi > if I remember correctly Nicolas is partner of Collabora. Thus there might be three person with the same affiliation in the board call, if he'll represent you. This wouldn't be in accordance with the statutes. Kind regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
