Re:The Uplift War - The Humble Beginning (Was Re^17)

2003-07-07 Thread David Hobby

Martin Malmkvist wrote:

 I think this is going to be very interesting, but I'm a little curious: How
 many people feel like actively joining in? It would be a major bugger to
 write posts to myself :)

I'm shaky on what 'active' means, but I'm in.

---David

Bring on the Garthlings!


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Re:Orson Scott Card's Books

2003-06-23 Thread David Hobby

Joe Karpierz wrote:
...
 As far as Alvin Maker goes, I'm getting bored.  I haven't read the last
 one yet, and the
 new one is on its way.

Yes.  If I'd known when I started reading _Seventh Son_ that
it was the start of an interminable series, I wouldn't have read it.
And Alvin seems to still be several books from that Crystal City of
his.
---David


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Re:Jeroen PLEASE stop the spam!

2003-06-10 Thread David Hobby

Jeroen van Baardwijk wrote:
 
 At Stardate 20030609.2305, David Hobby wrote:
 
 Yeah, sorry, you are an innocent by-stander.  Your great list owner is
 sending large numbers of unwanted emails to everybody on the old Brin List.
 
 Where I come from, *five* messages doesn't qualify as a large number. And
 as the recipient list for those messsages is undisclosed, you can't know to
 whom exactly those messages were sent.

I bet that you sent them to over a hundred people, though.
AND I bet that very few of them wanted to hear from you.  One last
time:  PLEASE do not do it again.

---David


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Jeroen PLEASE stop the spam!

2003-06-09 Thread David Hobby

Jeroen--
You are doing it again.  I got a copy of the message below,
which I am not interested in at all.  It did not come from either
list, where it would have been fine.  I sort lists into folders, and
read them as time allows.
Please REMOVE me from all of your Recipient list suppressed
mailing lists.
---David Hobby

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Subject: 
Spam van Baardwijk
   Date: 
Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:47:32 +0200
   From: 
Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 
(Recipient list suppressed)




--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Crystall wrote:

  And I think I'll find out if your ISP likes it's members spamming.

Ooohhh! A threat!


  Mine wasn't amused about your complaint.

So, what exactly did your ISP do in response to my complaint about your 
personal attacks? Terminate your account with them? Give you a warning
and 
tell you that if it would happen again they'd terminate your account?


  I never opted-in to receive your E-mails.

You *replied* to my e-mail. When you reply you can expect to receive a 
response. That's close enough to opt-in to *qualify* as opt-in.

BTW, I never opted-in to old-Brin-L to become the target of endless 
harrassment by people like you, Arnett and Giorgis. But it happened
anyway. 
Over and over again. And for some unknown reason, no list admin ever did 
anything to stop *that*...


  The standard these days for maling lists is a double opt-in. What
  you are doing is spam, plain and simple. Oh right, better see what
  NANAE have to say about that as well.

And what exactly makes you think I'd actually care what some people in
some 
obscure and unimportant newsgroup think?


  (Hint: being banned is supposed to send a message to you about the
  fact that we DON'T want to read your E-mails).

There were only four or five people who wanted me banned, and even
*they* 
couldn't agree on whether it should be temporary or permanent. The vast 
majority did NOT speak out in favour of banning me. IOW, you are not in
any 
position to claim that the we in your statement (the list as a whole) 
wanted me banned.

The message was not saying that the combined members of old-Brin-L
didn't 
want to read my messages (they could easily have ignored them), the
message 
clearly said that Arnett would not tolerate people standing up against 
harrassment by one of his cronies. For obvious reasons you can't throw 
*him* out, but you can always vote with your feet. The New  Improved 
Brin-L (www.brin-l.com) is only a few mouseclicks away.


  And...this E-mail, intended for you, is CC'd to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Um, what does the esteemed postmaster at brin-l.com have to do with it? 
It's not like my replies to on-list messages are sent from the
brin-l.com 
domain.

(BTW, messages sent to addresses in the brin-l.com domain are known to 
sometimes bounce, even when the address *does* exist and no filter is in 
place. You may have to re-send.)


  I'll stop the moment you stop sending me E-mails.

Want me to stop? Contact Arnett and tell him to lift that ridiculous ban
he 
unilaterally imposed. I will then be able to respond on-list to on-list 
messages, which you can then ignore all you want.


Jeroen van Baardwijk
Listowner, The New  Improved Brin-L
www.brin-l.com


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