Re: Rights to Remember (Harold Hongju Koh)

2003-11-24 Thread Russell Chapman
John D. Giorgis wrote:

In a world population by such nations as the DPRK, the
People's Republic of China, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya,
Turkmenistan, and Zimbabwe - to call *the United States* the most visible
human rights outlier should leave everyone absolutely speechless.
But it is the most *VISIBLE* - it's nowhere near being the worst, and is 
still a net force for good in terms of human rights, but the lost human 
rights in the USA, by virtue of the openness of American society, are by 
far the most visible. This in itself wouldn't be bad, except that the 
USA itself, and the rest of the world, look to America for leadership in 
these things because of their past example...

Of course, one of these examples is of Australia which if you think about Mr.
Hoh's previous statements is just a little bit funny.Is Australia
*really* seeking cover for crackdowns on human rights from the actions of
Mr. Bush?
Yep - he's way off base here - our illegal immigrant problems are 
nothing to do with either 9/11 or GW, and the new approaches to dealing 
with it are a result of increased numbers of illegal immigrants, (and 
indeed more being killed by shoddy people smugglers) rather than a 
sudden need to change human rights provisions.

Cheers
Russell C.
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[ADMIN] Multiple list problems

2003-11-24 Thread Nick Arnett
When it rains, it pours.  This morning, I found that our Ethernet switch 
was dead AND our main server was down.  This came on the heels of a disk 
drive failure (on another machine) that had me busy a lot of yesterday 
(and for a while to come) restoring our database (a mere 30 GB or so, 5 
million records).  I'm not sure what time things went south, but the 
list was definitely down for a while.

We're back up... and perhaps things will STAY up!

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RE: Challenge: 80's Lyrics Quiz

2003-11-24 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Challenge: 80's Lyrics Quiz
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:59:43 -0500 (EST)
Gary Nunn wrote:
Kind of long, and my score was embarrassingly low...but
fun.
http://www.yetanotherdot.com/asp/80s.html
I got this from Jon's LJ.  I don't recall my exact score, but I do know I 
got The 80's are my life, which sounds about right.  :)

Jim
As did I.  And I can't remember my score either. :)  I know it was at least 
130+.

The last question was my favorite.

Jon

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Re: snarkyness on the edge of town

2003-11-24 Thread Reggie Bautista
Cleaning out my in-box...

About a month ago, I wrote:
Or perhaps he's referring to something like this:
http://www.lucytune.com/academic/freq_to_wave.html
To which Ronn! replied:
I do point out in class (I think I originally read it in an essay by Isaac 
Asimov) the fact that the frequency of the most extreme violet light humans 
can see is just about twice that of the most extreme red light we can see, 
which is the same relationship between the frequencies of, say middle C 
(256 Hz) and high C (512 Hz), so one could make the analogy that the width 
of the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum is one octave, then 
note that while a piano keyboard spans 7 1/2 octaves, the frequency of 
detectable electromagnetic radiation as shown in that diagram covers 
something like 100 octaves or more . . .
Just one tiny point of clarification...  High C is actually 1024 Hz, two
octaves above middle C, and on the staff with a treble clef it would
be represented by a note two leger lines above the staff.  The C
at 512 Hz is (as you correctly stated) one octave above middle C
and is on the third space from the bottom within a staff with a
treble clef.  Middle C is one leger line below the staff.  Other
than that, that's a very interesting observation, that visible light
is within the span of an octave.  I'm sure I can find a way to use
that in a piece of music somehow...
http://www.musictheory.halifax.ns.ca/2notes.html

(I've seen
both leger and ledger used, and I picked leger because it
matches the usage on the quoted website.)
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Scouted: Stross Interview

2003-11-24 Thread Reggie Bautista
A while back someone here posted a link to a great short story
called A Colder War, by Charles Stross.  There is a new interview
with Stross up at scifi.com:
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue343/interview.html
He talks about space opera, The Singularity, Iain Banks, politics,
Bruce Sterling (he calls Sterling's _Schismatrix_ one of the unsung
classics of SF, probably the greatest space opera of the 1980s,)
and his upcoming SF and fantasy projects, among other things.
Reggie Bautista

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Re: Challenge: 80's Lyrics Quiz

2003-11-24 Thread Julia Thompson


On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, Sonja van Baardwijk wrote:

 xVFP: Embarrasing that I actually liked most of the 80s music. As for
 the shoulder pads those you can keep.

I used to remove them.  My shoulders were blocky enough already, added 
padding right there was overkill.  (I've filled out to where the shoulders 
aren't so blocky now.)  :)

Julia

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Marketing on the internet

2003-11-24 Thread Gary Nunn

Does anyone have any really unique ideas for internet marketing?  Doing
the banner exchange thing with no success except getting a great deal of
spam.

Working on search engine rankings and submissions, but that takes a few
weeks.

Just curious.

Gary

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[Scouted]Master/Slave banned

2003-11-24 Thread Jim Sharkey

The County of Los Angeles has requested that equipment vendors avoid using the 
industry term Master/Slave in product descriptions and labelling.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/master.asp

It's insensitive, apparently.  So what happens to male/female stuff next, I wonder?

Jim

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Re: [Scouted]Master/Slave banned

2003-11-24 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/24/2003 7:54:56 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The County of Los Angeles has requested that equipment vendors avoid using 
 the industry term Master/Slave in product descriptions and labelling.
  
  http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/master.asp
  
  It's insensitive, apparently.  So what happens to male/female stuff next, 
I 
 wonder?
  
  Jim

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Even their expressions fit the pose! 

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Re: [A4P] Change of address

2003-11-24 Thread Trent Shipley
I have removed my site.  If you have links, please update them to point to 
Matt's site.

Congratulations to Matt Lundstrom, the new A4P Encyclopedia Editor in Chief.

 As of now the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia is available at
 http://www.geocities.com/allianceforprogress (update your bookmarks!). It's
 also still available at Trent's own website, but it should disappear from
 there within a week or so, leaving only a link to the A4PE's new location.

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RE: Rights to Remember (Harold Hongju Koh)

2003-11-24 Thread Andrew Medvedev
Re: Koh's article in the economist from a couple of weeks ago ...

1) We are the most visible outlier.  For all of their atrocities,
Messieurs Qaddafi et al have kept a much lower profile than us.  Whether
or not that's a communication issue is debatable, but I would think the
world is right in holding us to a slightly higher standard of behavior
than Turkmenistan?

2) We may disagree on the validity of freedom from want -- I for one
believe in freedom of opportunity rather than want.  The latter is
nonetheless a freedom, and one that we're not very good at providing
(again, relative to other rich democracies).  Merely pointing out that
our track record on economic human rights is suspect does make a strong
case, but is factually correct in and of itself.

3) Take it from someone who grew up in communist Russia -- without
freedom from fear, all other freedoms are meaningless.  Fear is what
challenges and questions every other promise that this nation has made
to its people ... That's why some people are up in arms about things as
trivial as library background investigations.  That is Koh's strongest
point that renders everything else as back up evidence.

4) The Chinese regime has run over students with tanks 14 years ago and
counting.  A lot of these guys (including the boss) are out of power,
and China (however frustratingly) is making a transition towards a MORE
(relatively) democratic society without submerging in a Russia-like
bedlam.  As far as Russia in Chechnya, Turkey in Kurdistan, Pakistan in
Kashmir, etc, yes, Mr. Koh could and perhaps should have used those
examples.  It has been this nations policy to justify the means by
holding up the end for the past 160 years, and it has piled up a solid
track record of more good ends than bad.  However, as they say in the
mutual fund business, past performance does not guarantee future
returns.  It has worked for us in the past, but nonetheless contains
moral and strategic flaws that should be and were pointed out.

Lastly, this administration has been notoriously cavalier about how it
presents its actions to the world.  I have said to you (John) time and
time again, the longer I hang out in this little world of ours, the more
I am convinced that the wrapping matters more than the gift therein.
What we do is often masked, distorted and undone by how we do it.  In
this light, a photo opportunity with the United Nations would have been
more than appropriate.

Good night,

Andrew Medvedev
Boston, Massachusetts

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Subject: Re: Rights to Remember (Harold Hongju Koh)


I think that I have as much respect for _The Economist_, which I read
religiously each week, as anyone on this List - but I must admit that I
was
embarassed to read this piece a week or two ago.   It is not so much
that
_The Economist_ is printing a critique of the Bush Administraiton's
policies on civil liberties - their editorial Board does that regularly
enough - but rather my incredulity that they could find this
ridiculousness
worthy of devoting three pages of magazine space to.

First, I hope that it is self-evident to everyone here that when Mr. Hoh
writes that the US has moved from being the most visible supporter of
international human rights to, and I quote, its most visible outlier -
he is clearly lacking in all credibility as a sincere appraiser of the
situation.In a world population by such nations as the DPRK, the
People's Republic of China, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya,
Turkmenistan, and Zimbabwe - to call *the United States* the most
visible human rights outlier should leave everyone absolutely
speechless.

Meanwhile, Mr. Koh's very understanding of human rights is also suspect.
He frequently hints at international covenants enshrining freedom from
want - but to the best of my knowledge, that has pretty much been a
European human rights construct, and indeed, the United States has
regularly shied away from codifying such economic human rights.   Mr.
Koh's lack of specifics on this point, other than a vage reference to
The
New Deal further confirms my suspicions on this point.   

He furthermore accuses the Bush Administration of reducing America's
human rights presence around the globe - which I find very difficult
believe, and somehow connects this to Bush's policy of prioritizing
freedom from fear above the other fundamental human rights of freedom
of speech, religion, and from want.  (apparentlly freedom of the press
and expression
didn't rate for him, among others)I'll concede right now that if you
follow this logic, you are one step ahead of me.   

In addition, given only a short space in which to present his case Mr.
Koh
recurringly resorts to very strange examples.For all I know, the
Pakistani population of Atlantic County, NJ has decreased by 50% because
the only Pakistani couple 

Announcing the Sloan3D Store

2003-11-24 Thread Steve Sloan II
I have finished what I hope will be the first of many pieces
of merchandise decorated with my illustrations. This one is
a shirt featuring a high-quality single frame from the
Izmunuti animation I created a few years ago...
http://www.sloansteady.com/#anims

...showing Streaker getting hammered inside the red giant
Izmunuti. I emailed to ask David Brin for permission a couple
of months ago, and I finally got something finished.
To see the shirt, you can go to the intro page, where I talk
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Or go directly to the main store page:

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Special thanks go to:

David Brin, for writing the original works that inspired these
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in my merchandise.
April Apperson Farrell, for first showing me what Streaker looks
like in that sketch inside _Startide_ so many years ago, which
heavily influenced the design of my Streaker 3D model; and for
being so nice when I asked her blessing for selling a design
so similar to hers.
Dean MacLanders, for giving me the idea to sell t-shirts in the
first place, and for giving me many helpful suggestions since.
Bill Vilyehm Teighlore Taylor, for suggesting a lot of silly and
not-so-silly ideas that will probably go into future shirts.
My Mom, Dad, and sister Corie, for helping me polish up the caption
on the Izmunuti shirt.
Dee Daley, William T. Goodall, and the rest of the weekly chat
regulars who have contributed several ideas.
Anyone else I might have forgotten.
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