Neanderthal growth rate
There have been discussions here about Neanderthals
(not you, Mike Lee!) So you might be interested in the following
abstract of an article in today's issue of Nature. (If your library
access is like mine, you might get to read the article in a month.)
It is an interesting idea: Neanderthals, though intelligent, were
adapted for a low-tech, cold weather evolutionary niche. So maybe
they were a different species--the debate goes on.
---David
Life-history traits correlate closely with dental growth,
so differences in dental growth within Homo can enable us to determine
how somatic development has evolved and to identify developmental
shifts that warrant species-level distinctions. Dental growth
can be determined from the speed of enamel formation (or extension
rate). We analysed the enamel extension rate in Homo
antecessor (8 teeth analysed), Homo heidelbergensis (106), Homo
neanderthalensis ('Neanderthals'; 146) and Upper
Palaeolithic-Mesolithic Homo sapiens (100). Here we report that
Upper Palaeolithic-Mesolithic H. sapiens shared an identical
dental development pattern with modern humans, but that H.
antecessor and H. heidelbergensis had shorter periods of dental
growth. Surprisingly, Neanderthals were characterized by having
the shortest period of dental growth. Because dental growth is
an excellent indicator of somatic development, our results suggest
that Neanderthals developed faster even than their immediate
ancestor, H. heidelbergensis. Dental growth became longer and
brain size increased from the Plio-Pleistocene in hominid
evolution. Neanderthals, despite having a large brain, were
characterized by a short period of development. This autapomorphy
in growth is an evolutionary reversal, and points strongly to a
specific distinction between H. sapiens and H. neanderthalensis.
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ADMIN: Wonky server
We're running on a somewhat crippled server because a few of its essential binaries are seg faulting, suggesting that we're building up to another disk failure, perhaps. It's been up and down today as I've been trying to fix the broken parts. If anybody here has any insight or suggestions on how to deal with a system in which grep, chmod and ln are all seg faulting, I'd love to hear them. I never realized how essential grep is to Linux. And without chmod, I can copy grep from elsewhere, but then can't make it executable! Sadly, there's no reinstall everything that I can come up with, and individual re-installs seem to be failing. This system is running RH 9, a/k/a Fedora. BTW, it's running now because I can boot from a system CD, then chroot to our normal system and start everything manually. Ugh. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab
http://www.news-press.com/news/local_state/040426land.html Land seized for private use possible Legislation would help developers By JEFF CULL, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Published by news-press.com on April 26, 2004 Floridas constitution allows governments to take your land for a public purpose, such as a road or school, as long as you receive a fair price. But legislation which could be approved this week would allow a city or county to take an individuals land, with fair compensation, and sell it to a private developer for a shopping center or office building. Opponents of the proposed law say its little more than a government-sponsored land grab for developers. This bill is a shocking grant of wholesale power to counties to condemn very large amounts of property just to assemble it for private development, said Dana Berliner, senior attorney at the Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Justice, a public interest law firm. Frank Schnidman, a professor of community and economic development at Florida Atlantic University and an expert in land planning, agreed. They basically want to loosen up the definition of public purpose so land can be taken for development, he said. Proponents say its necessary so that communities such as Cape Coral and Lehigh Acres, which have thousands of small residential lots and not enough commercial land, can ensure they have enough property for future businesses. For some of these communities its absolutely essential, said Sen. Mike Bennett, R-Bradenton, the Senate bill sponsor. The bill proposes to broaden the public use restriction in condemnation, or eminent domain, laws to include any reason a county or city may have, such as increasing tax revenue or promoting economic development. ... - If evil could be branded, its emblem would be the Wal-Mart logo. -Inthesetimes article ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
What's Causing High Gasoline Prices?
http://angrybear.blogspot.com/2004_04_25_angrybear_archive.html#10831586 0318788573 What's Causing High Gasoline Prices? The US Senate Republican Policy Committee has spent some time and effort investigating the cause of rising gasoline prices. Yesterday they published a policy report explaining their findings. The conclusion: rising gasoline prices are largely due to Federal regulations, such as those established by the Clean Air Act. Among their recommendations of things that will help bring down the price of gasoline: o The EPA should have the authority to temporarily suspend clean-fuel requirements o Congress should eliminate the Clean Air Act's oxygenate requirement for reformulated gasoline o Congress and the Administration should reform other regulations (known as the New Source Review requirement) under the Clean Air Act that have resulted in the halt of construction of new refinery capacity. Huh, who would have imagined that gas prices were so high in recent months simply because of those pernicious environmental regulations? Actually, let me propose an alternate hypothesis: gas prices have been rising because crude oil prices have been rising. It sounds crazy, I know. Why do I propose such a theory? In part it's because of graphs like this one, showing crude oil and wholesale gasoline prices since January 2, 1990: http://angrybear.blogspot.com/gas_oil_prices1.jpg Source: data from the Energy Information Administration, US Dept. of Energy. I think that I can detect a relationship between gasoline prices and the price of crude oil that would pretty much explain why gas prices are currently so high. But apparently the Senate Republican Policy Committee doesn't see it that way, and would rather use high gas prices as an excuse to change the Clean Air Act. I guess the only bit about it that surprises me is that they didn't also find a way to suggest that another tax cut would be the cure for high gas prices. - I Pledge Impertinence to the Flag-Waving of the Unindicted Co-Conspirators of America and to the Republicans for which I can't stand one Abomination, Underhanded Fraud Indefensible with Liberty and Justice Forget it. -Life in Hell (Matt Groening) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Battlestar Galactica
Robert Seeberger wrote: SciFi bats at a bit less than .100 IMO. I know a lot of people *like* SG1, but it seems fairly pedestrian to me, and people like it mainly because there is nothing substantially better offered. Julia Thompson wrote: Interesting. SG1 started out as a Showtime series. It may have gone downhill a bit since SciFi picked up the production. Nick Lidster wrote: Julia I beleive the timing of the switch over was during season 5.. Showtime droped it about half way through the season and SiFi picked it up. IN true SiFi channel style they have tried to reinvent the seris and make it more appealling to the general population, IMO there has been only 2 margionaly rewatchable episodes since then in season 6..(I know that season 7 is done in the states but up in the great white north we only just finished season 6)... that being said I can still sit down a watch almost all of teh older shows with no problem or question to story line... IMO SiFi has destroyed what was once a show with so much... potential and given far less... SG: atalantis i think will die a horrible death.. I'd agree, the quality has suffered recently, mostly from the misconception that more powerful enemies automatically makes for better stories. *sigh*. Oh anyone remember a show called Space Above and Beyond.. had some great potential but it got axed... Space: Above and Beyond had a great first season, then it seemed like they started to run out of ideas by the end of the 2nd season. I would like to see an outer limits style series of short stories all set in the same universe, but not necessarily featuring any of the same characters. Kind of a Thieves World on TV. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
NY Times article on people with Asperger's
I know Asperger's and other parts of the autistic spectrum have come up here before, so thought some might be interested in the following. (I have unfortunately lost the login that someone created for those list members who did not want to register with the NY Times. Could someone remind me, and this time I'll save it in appropriately titled email? Thanks!) ---David - Answer, but No Cure, for a Social Disorder That Isolates Many April 29, 2004 By AMY HARMON Thousands of adults who have never fit in socially are only now stumbling across a neurological explanation for their struggles. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/29/national/29SYND.html?ex=1084240188ei=1en=8d289c5cf5d86980 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: What's Causing High Gasoline Prices?
The Fool wrote: What's Causing High Gasoline Prices? ... I guess the only bit about it that surprises me is that they didn't also find a way to suggest that another tax cut would be the cure for high gas prices. All this was interesting, but I think everybody knows that the real reason gas prices are high is because *that* is where Saddam has been hiding his WMDs. Did anybody think to look there? Huh? Point proven. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Battlestar Galactica
Damon Agretto wrote: I only watch Cartoon Network religiously. I thought that IYO religion is evil . . . Any network that airs Ed, Ed and Eddy MUST be evil... Damon. They are TOTALLY redeemed by running Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law and Sealab 2021. -- Matt let's not forget Futurama and Family Guy... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Mike Lee quotes
David Hobby makes the debatable point: I've often wondered about this idea of winning a debate. Some people seem to actually judge the winner on the basis of snappy lines like the following, regardless of the facts: I KNEW Jack Kennedy, and you're no Jack Kennedy. If it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, ... then it is a duck. (Sorry about the mess I made of the last one!) Maybe we can have a Special Debating Olympics and then you can be a winner too. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NY Times article on people with Asperger's
David Hobby wrote: (I have unfortunately lost the login that someone created for those list members who did not want to register with the NY Times. Could someone remind me, and this time I'll save it in appropriately titled email? Thanks!) Here's the page on bugmenot.com that lists all of the registrations that folks (here and elsewhere) have created to bypass the ridiculous forced registration for the Gray Lady: http://tinyurl.com/3a5zy Enjoy, Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: March for Women's Lives
Jim, lobbying less than competently for father of the year: Gosh, Mike, how many kids have you raised? 'Cause we all know how darn easy that one is. I frankly can't imagine doing the job my wife does. I far prefer having my real job. I'm so tired of the fawning faux incompetence expressed by so many men when it comes to domestic responsibilities. If you can't imagine raising kids competently, then you shouldn't have had them. Saying things like the above is the sure sign of the sexist jackass who has no real intention of accepting full responsibility for his sperm donees. Now that you do have kids, quit pretending that it's so hard to handle the job, buckle down and learn how to do it right. None of this takes away from my earlier point that most stay-at-home moms are marginally competent at best. Part of the reason they suck so bad at their jobs is that they aren't held to real standards of performance and outcome. And how could we expect them to be held accountable by their husbands? We all know what happens to accountability when a woman is sleeping with the boss So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little Throw Momma From the Train service for each other by helping to kill the self-congratulatory female meme that full time moms work harder than anyone else and are doing a great job. Your average receptionist deals with more stress, interruptions and infantile behavior than the average mother of three, and she does it a lot better too. And she's probably easier to talk into bed. Mike Lee Islamic Moderate ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Non-Polluting Nukes
Noted on Charlie Stross's weblog, from http://www.strategypage.com/ In order to comply with EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) regulations, and at a cost of about $5.2 million per ICBM, the rocket motors on 500 Minuteman III missiles will be replaced with new ones. These rockets will emit less toxic chemicals when used. ... Thus, if the Minuteman III ICBMs have to be used in some future nuclear war, their rocket motors will not pollute the atmosphere. EPA regulations do not apply in foreign countries, so no changes are being made to reduce the harmful environmental effects of the nuclear warheads. Thank you EPA, I will sleep better tonight. Andrew ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
At 07:52 AM 4/28/2004 -0400 David Hobby wrote: As I recall, John Doe and Mike Lee appeared at about the same time. In my mind, this has turned into Mike Lee appeared as a response to John Doe. (Look at the similarity of the names, for instance.) For what's it worth, I have Mike Lee arriving about one month before John Doe. Both seemed to have arrived rather quietly before eventually turning on the heat. And like you, I did note that Mike Lee appeared to be the perfect foil for John Doe.Almost like somebody wanted to see if a right-winger on the List could get banned as easily as a left-winger. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
Nick Arnett wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I see is attempts to demonize Mike because, well ... He's winning... If he wins, then perhaps he'll realize that he's on a list with a bunch of losers, so he'll leave. Heh. On another list I'm on, people will go on about the victories of their ideas, and end with, We are Winning! So when someone there starts complaining, the response is, We are Whining! Julia rather be Winning that Whining, so I'll think about all the things that went right today and not the things that went poorly ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Ultimate Chutzpah
- Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:17 AM Subject: Re: Ultimate Chutzpah Gary Denton #1 on google for liberal news Take Note! There's a new kid on the block. Welcome to our humble war zone Gary! (That's an inside joke from outside viewers)G I beleive the Texas contingent just grew by one.G xponent Welcome Wagon Red Carpet Debutante Ball Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Re: Notification
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 03:05 PM 4/28/04, Prutje wrote: ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l Spam filters let something through again? -- Ronn! :) That was my e-mail adress that showed up, twice now, but I'm not sure what glitched it. I most certainly didn't send it. The adressing is not mine, my name got replaced by the e-mail ident. Odd. Very odd. If this keeps up I'll have to unsubscribe. I don't like being targeted. And I feel very targeted when looking at the header. But that is just my paranoia kicking in. Sonja GCU: I'm miffed about it ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
JDG wrote: At 07:52 AM 4/28/2004 -0400 David Hobby wrote: As I recall, John Doe and Mike Lee appeared at about the same time. In my mind, this has turned into Mike Lee appeared as a response to John Doe. (Look at the similarity of the names, for instance.) For what's it worth, I have Mike Lee arriving about one month before John Doe. Both seemed to have arrived rather quietly before eventually turning on the heat. And like you, I did note that Mike Lee appeared to be the perfect foil for John Doe.Almost like somebody wanted to see if a right-winger on the List could get banned as easily as a left-winger. JDG Unfortunately, John Doe seems to have been unmasked. Could we tell Mike Lee that the Troll Experiment is over? ---David Mike Lee hasn't started spamming people offlist. Or should I not have mentioned that? : ) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NY Times
Dave Land wrote: ... Here's the page on bugmenot.com that lists all of the registrations that folks (here and elsewhere) have created to bypass the ridiculous forced registration for the Gray Lady: http://tinyurl.com/3a5zy Cute, but the Brin List one was easier to remember! ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
Mike Lee wrote: David Hobby makes the debatable point: ... Maybe we can have a Special Debating Olympics and then you can be a winner too. That would be Debating Special Olympics? Pretty lame (sic), can't you do better? ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Battlestar Galactica
let's not forget Futurama and Family Guy... And lets not forget Space Ghost! Unfortunately the anime they're showing now is either stuff I already have, or is just not very interesting. Besides, how much Dragonball or SD Gundam can one tolerate??? Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NY Times
David Hobby wrote: Here's the page on bugmenot.com that lists all of the registrations that folks (here and elsewhere) have created to bypass the ridiculous forced registration for the Gray Lady: http://tinyurl.com/3a5zy Cute, but the Brin List one was easier to remember! Evidently not :-) Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Re: Notification
* Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [Thu, 29/04/2004 at 14:32 +0200] Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 03:05 PM 4/28/04, Prutje wrote: ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l Spam filters let something through again? -- Ronn! :) That was my e-mail adress that showed up, twice now, but I'm not sure what glitched it. I most certainly didn't send it. Don't worry it only means that someone with both your address and brin-l address in his address book is contaminated by one of the dozen viruses in the wild this week. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Battlestar Galactica
Space: Above and Beyond had a great first season, then it seemed like they started to run out of ideas by the end of the 2nd season. Except...it only _had_ one season... (http://epguides.com/SpaceAboveandBeyond/) -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ New York (Football) Giants: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Go_Big_Blue/ _The Universal Baseball Association, Inc., J. Henry Waugh, Prop._ Fan Club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/j_henry_waugh/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Mike Lee quotes
The list's general fascination with my shock and awe approach to rancid liberal hypocrisy, stupidity and self-loathing continues to build momentum: For what's it worth, I have Mike Lee arriving about one month before John Doe. Both seemed to have arrived rather quietly before eventually turning on the heat. And like you, I did note that Mike Lee appeared to be the perfect foil for John Doe.Almost like somebody wanted to see if a right-winger on the List could get banned as easily as a left-winger. And, yes, since you were wondering, it was me on the grassy knoll. Mike Lee Islamic Moderate So do you know who really killed JFK Maru? No, I'm just glad someone did Maru. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab
Floridas constitution allows governments to take your land for a public purpose, such as a road or school, as long as you receive a fair price. But legislation which could be approved this week would allow a city or county to take an individuals land, with fair compensation, and sell it to a private developer for a shopping center or office building. This is very similar to how George W. Bush, when he was an owner of the Texas Rangers, got the Ballpark at Arlington built. The Texas legislature passed a bill permitting them to condemn privately owned land for the stadium. And some of Bush's partners (including the current owner) went around the Dallas area condemning parcels of land that had nothing whatsoever to do with the stadium project but which they wanted for their own private development projects. They had to pay the actual owners, but were able to force them to sell whether or not they wanted to. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ New York (Football) Giants: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Go_Big_Blue/ _The Universal Baseball Association, Inc., J. Henry Waugh, Prop._ Fan Club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/j_henry_waugh/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab
At 09:10 PM 4/28/2004, you wrote: http://www.news-press.com/news/local_state/040426land.html Land seized for private use possible Legislation would help developers Ahh, another place where the fool's and my views intersect. Would she support going the other way; land should only be seized for eminent domain in very narrow cases, like a road, but not for schools, public parks, or athletic fields? Kevin T. - VRWLC Time for a bike ride...or a nap ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab
This is very similar to how George W. Bush, when he was an owner of the Texas Rangers, got the Ballpark at Arlington built. The Texas legislature passed a bill permitting them to condemn privately owned land for the stadium. And some of Bush's partners (including the current owner) went around the Dallas area condemning parcels of land that had nothing whatsoever to do with the stadium project but which they wanted for their own private development projects. They had to pay the actual owners, but were able to force them to sell whether or not they wanted to. Tom Beck Again, leaving out important information. This is becoming a habit. Can we call it democratic truth avoidance? Kevin T. - VRWLC I will admit to Texas being less strict about those dividing lines at the time ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NY Times article on people with Asperger's
I haven't minded the NYT registration and at least I have a method to get permanent links to stories with them. This is not to say that the Pravda on the Hudson has good reporters. It is the opposite of the WSJ, the Gray Lady has many poor reporters but some excellent editorial staff. The WSJ has many excellent reporters but the editorial department consists of animals you try to keep locked up in the attic and toss in some red meat once a day. On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:10:42 -0700, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Hobby wrote: (I have unfortunately lost the login that someone created for those list members who did not want to register with the NY Times. Could someone remind me, and this time I'll save it in appropriately titled email? Thanks!) Here's the page on bugmenot.com that lists all of the registrations that folks (here and elsewhere) have created to bypass the ridiculous forced registration for the Gray Lady: http://tinyurl.com/3a5zy Enjoy, Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Ultimate Chutzpah
I wanted to check the list out. Funny, I don't see many postings related to Brin. Was also a chance to check out googlemail. On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:46:17 -0500, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:17 AM Subject: Re: Ultimate Chutzpah Gary Denton #1 on google for liberal news Take Note! There's a new kid on the block. Welcome to our humble war zone Gary! (That's an inside joke from outside viewers)G I beleive the Texas contingent just grew by one.G xponent Welcome Wagon Red Carpet Debutante Ball Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
As a new member can I ask if he is always like this? Is this supposed to be satire? On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:09:27 -0700, Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, lobbying less than competently for father of the year: Gosh, Mike, how many kids have you raised? 'Cause we all know how darn easy that one is. I frankly can't imagine doing the job my wife does. I far prefer having my real job. I'm so tired of the fawning faux incompetence expressed by so many men when it comes to domestic responsibilities. If you can't imagine raising kids competently, then you shouldn't have had them. Saying things like the above is the sure sign of the sexist jackass who has no real intention of accepting full responsibility for his sperm donees. Now that you do have kids, quit pretending that it's so hard to handle the job, buckle down and learn how to do it right. None of this takes away from my earlier point that most stay-at-home moms are marginally competent at best. Part of the reason they suck so bad at their jobs is that they aren't held to real standards of performance and outcome. And how could we expect them to be held accountable by their husbands? We all know what happens to accountability when a woman is sleeping with the boss So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little Throw Momma From the Train service for each other by helping to kill the self-congratulatory female meme that full time moms work harder than anyone else and are doing a great job. Your average receptionist deals with more stress, interruptions and infantile behavior than the average mother of three, and she does it a lot better too. And she's probably easier to talk into bed. Mike Lee Islamic Moderate ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Wonky server
Jean-Marc Chaton wrote: Maybe you could mount a live system cdrom (a system fully installed on a cdrom, not an installation cdrom, knoppix comes to mind in the debian wolrd but there must be other live system in redhat world. Then change PATH and other libpaths in /etc/profile. clone your partitions (rsync) on a good disk. check all your installed packages (debsums in the debian world, I don't know the equivalent on fedora), reinstall those found modified. Some good ideas there... but one rotten bit of this problem is that verifying the binaries with rpm requires grep! Maybe I can work around that... Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
- Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives As a new member can I ask if he is always like this? Every single post. Is this supposed to be satire? More like trollery. xponent Unmodified Baseline Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives - Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives As a new member can I ask if he is always like this? Every single post. Is this supposed to be satire? More like trollery. Its also worth noting Mike Lee is a sock puppet. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq
-- From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Hello. Welcome. Don't: Snip Attributions. Don't: Snip Context. Don't: Top-Post. I Pledge Impertinence to the Flag-Waving of the Unindicted Co-Conspirators of America and to the Republicans for which I can't stand one Abomination, Underhanded Fraud Indefensible with Liberty and Justice Forget it. -Life in Hell (Matt Groening) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
Mike Lee wrote: And, yes, since you were wondering, it was me on the grassy knoll. Damn. And here I had $5 on you helping Oswald with his ammo. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Ultimate Chutzpah
Gary Denton wrote: I wanted to check the list out. Funny, I don't see many postings related to Brin. And you won't, either. In fact, from what I've observed in my months here, mentions of his work are few and far between. You will occasionally spot the good doctor himself spreading his memes. Also far down on the frequency list is discussion of science fiction, except for a mysterious (to me) fascination with Battlestar Galactica. (Note to fans: I do not want or need an education in the manifold blessings that the show has brought to the world, thank you.) Mostly, you'll find heavily-armed encampments on either side (of any given issue), a few shell-shocked moderates running back and forth in the middle hoarsely shouting can't we all just get along (then scampering away just as a shell lands nearby), along with a few others who lob in a few rounds from time to time just to stir things up. Was also a chance to check out googlemail. Ooh ... someone with access to the *limited beta* ... How do you like it? Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[Larryniven-L] The army is working on impact armor
This is a pretty cool article that got posted to LarryNiven-L earlier today. Looks like a potentially very useful new technology. http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20040429/D828HIG00.html __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Science Fiction-themed online store . http://www.sloan3d.com/store Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Battlestar Galactica
-- From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] let's not forget Futurama and Family Guy... And lets not forget Space Ghost! Unfortunately the anime they're showing now is either stuff I already have, or is just not very interesting. Besides, how much Dragonball or SD Gundam can one tolerate??? --- Adult Swim does not air Dragonball or SD Gundam. How Malicious of you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab
-- From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:10 PM 4/28/2004, you wrote: http://www.news-press.com/news/local_state/040426land.html Land seized for private use possible Legislation would help developers Ahh, another place where the fool's and my views intersect. Would she support going the other way; land should only be seized for eminent domain in very narrow cases, like a road, but not for schools, public parks, or athletic fields? Roads Schools. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab
Again, leaving out important information. Such as? You make an accusation and then leave it hanging. So who's really leaving out important information? This is becoming a habit. Can we call it democratic truth avoidance? Can we call it a quick-and-dirty post to a freaking mailing list, not a comprehensive report to a Congressional committee or a true bill of indictment presented to a grand jury? -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ _The Universal Baseball Association, J. Henry Waugh, Prop._ fan club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/j_henry_waugh/ New York (Football) Giants: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Go_Big_Blue/?yguid=176842240 I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Wonky server
-- From Nick Arnett If anybody here has any insight or suggestions on how to deal with a system in which grep, chmod and ln are all seg faulting, I'd love to hear them. You can do an exhaustive memory check: http://www.memtest86.com/ You can install a different OS that doesn't fail the way Linux Distros are known to (Frex Win 2000). The Only time anything crashes on my Win2000 Setup is when the computer / Room Temperature get too hot. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
-- From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a new member can I ask if he is always like this? Is this supposed to be satire? --- Troll. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives - Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives - Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives As a new member can I ask if he is always like this? Every single post. Is this supposed to be satire? More like trollery. Its also worth noting Mike Lee is a sock puppet. It's good to see the terminology isn't lost on everyone. xponent Like Bush Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
At 04:18 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote: Mike Lee wrote: So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little Throw Momma From the Train service for each other by helping to kill the self-congratulatory female meme that full time moms work harder than anyone else and are doing a great job. Your average receptionist deals with more stress, interruptions and infantile behavior than the average mother of three, and she does it a lot better too. I think the worst part of it is, there's no break. You leave the receptionist job at the end of the day, and even if you're having to deal with crap outside of the job, at least it's *different* crap. And the receptionist's job seldom involves dealing with *actual* crap . . . not to mention other less than attractive or sanitary bodily effluvia on an almost continuous basis for at least the first couple of years . . . --Ronn! :) Bathroom humor is an American-Standard. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
Jim Sharkey took Mike Lee's bait, concluding with: Don't let your rampant personality defects make you a hater, Mike. I don't think there's any danger of that in our beloved Sock Puppet's case -- his posts bespeak a hatred that goes right to the core. I'm guessing that when he was a kid with a magnifier, the ants in the backyard ran for cover. Dave Amateur Psychoanalysis Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Wonky server
The Fool wrote: -- From Nick Arnett If anybody here has any insight or suggestions on how to deal with a system in which grep, chmod and ln are all seg faulting, I'd love to hear them. You can do an exhaustive memory check: http://www.memtest86.com/ You can install a different OS that doesn't fail the way Linux Distros are known to (Frex Win 2000). The Only time anything crashes on my Win2000 Setup is when the computer / Room Temperature get too hot. I do most of my development and day-to-day work on W3K and XP... they've been very stable. Our production systems are Solaris and OS X. Difficult choices... but I like knowing Linux and the more I know, the more I want to use it. The wonky machine is running Fedora, which is probably dangerously new. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Battlestar Galactica
From: Thomas Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Space: Above and Beyond had a great first season, then it seemed like they started to run out of ideas by the end of the 2nd season. Except...it only _had_ one season... (http://epguides.com/SpaceAboveandBeyond/) I think Space: Above and Beyond was the show that all the SF buffs I knew were calling: Space: 90210. _ Test your Travel Quotient and get the chance to win your dream trip! http://travel.msn.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Wonky server
The Fool wrote: You can do an exhaustive memory check: http://www.memtest86.com/ You can install a different OS that doesn't fail the way Linux Distros are known to (Frex Win 2000). The Only time anything crashes on my Win2000 Setup is when the computer / Room Temperature get too hot. I work with Nick, so his server woes are my server woes... Thanks for the info on memtest86. As for the platform advice, we run a pretty hetero environment: Linux, Win2K, WinXP, Mac OS X. And it is hot in here -- we're working on ways to vent more of the heat outside. Thanks again, Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
- Original Message - From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: RE: March for Women's Lives Mike Lee wrote: So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little Throw Momma From the Train service for each other by helping to kill the self-congratulatory female meme that full time moms work harder than anyone else and are doing a great job. Not harder than anyone else, and I know plenty of moms that frankly *aren't* up to the job. But I know for my wife it's not all bon-bons and soap operas regardless of your prior assertion. Yo Jim! It's funny. The last guy I saw play the bon-bon card was a guy who was in court ordered counseling for beating the crap out of his wife. Speaking for myself, I see a connection. G And she's probably easier to talk into bed. Don't let your rampant personality defects make you a hater, Mike. As opposed to an obvious misogynist? xponent With Jim Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Wonky server
-- From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: -- From Nick Arnett If anybody here has any insight or suggestions on how to deal with a system in which grep, chmod and ln are all seg faulting, I'd love to hear them. You can do an exhaustive memory check: http://www.memtest86.com/ You can install a different OS that doesn't fail the way Linux Distros are known to (Frex Win 2000). The Only time anything crashes on my Win2000 Setup is when the computer / Room Temperature get too hot. I do most of my development and day-to-day work on W3K and XP... they've been very stable. Our production systems are Solaris and OS X. Difficult choices... but I like knowing Linux and the more I know, the more I want to use it. The wonky machine is running Fedora, which is probably dangerously new. --- Thats great. Use it on your personal machines. But a Server? I am dubious. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Wonky server
Nick Arnett wrote: I do most of my development and day-to-day work on W3K and XP... they've been very stable. I should hope so, since they had an extra thousand years to work on that first one! ;-) __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Science Fiction-themed online store . http://www.sloan3d.com/store Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Neanderthal growth rate
David Hobby wrote: It is an interesting idea: Neanderthals, though intelligent, were adapted for a low-tech, cold weather evolutionary niche. So maybe they were a different species--the debate goes on. Because dental growth is an excellent indicator of somatic development, our results suggest that Neanderthals developed faster even than their immediate ancestor, H. heidelbergensis. Dental growth became longer and brain size increased from the Plio-Pleistocene in hominid evolution. Neanderthals, despite having a large brain, were characterized by a short period of development. This autapomorphy in growth is an evolutionary reversal, and points strongly to a specific distinction between H. sapiens and H. neanderthalensis. So Neanderthals really did live fast and die young. I guess since their creative, neotonous childhoods were so short, they wouldn't have had a chance to develop the kind of mental flexibility modern humans have. I've also seen speculation that they couldn't develop much culture, because they didn't have enough old people for oral tradition to start. If they grew up quickly, they may have also aged quickly, which would support that theory. __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Science Fiction-themed online store . http://www.sloan3d.com/store Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab
On 30 Apr 2004, at 1:33 am, Tom Beck wrote: Again, leaving out important information. Such as? You make an accusation and then leave it hanging. So who's really leaving out important information? This is becoming a habit. Can we call it democratic truth avoidance? Can we call it a quick-and-dirty post to a freaking mailing list, not a comprehensive report to a Congressional committee or a true bill of indictment presented to a grand jury? If one side of a debate tries to be fair and balanced and the the other side does not then the middle ground ends up 3/4 over to the side that doesn't. That's why people take extreme positions. So the 'compromise' is nearer to what they really wanted in the first place :) -Don't haggle me Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. -- Robert Firth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Wonky server
On 30 Apr 2004, at 2:10 am, Steve Sloan II wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: I do most of my development and day-to-day work on W3K and XP... they've been very stable. I should hope so, since they had an extra thousand years to work on that first one! ;-) And it's still only 'very' stable! -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Battlestar Galactica
I think Space: Above and Beyond was the show that all the SF buffs I knew were calling: Space: 90210. Plus the occasional logic gaps, like using officers trained as fighter pilots for grunts! Damon. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Top House Dem Says She'll Take Communion
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=512u=/ap/20040429/ap_on_go_co/pelosi_religion_1printer=1 http://tinyurl.com/3a7tk House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., like John Kerry (news - web sites) a Catholic who supports abortion rights, said Thursday she will continue to ask for Holy Communion in spite of Vatican (news - web sites) opposition to pro-choice Catholics doing so. I fully intend to receive Communion, one way or another. That's very important to me, Pelosi told reporters during her weekly press conference. A top Vatican cardinal said last week that priests must deny Communion to Catholic politicians who support abortion rights. The cardinal stopped short of saying whether it was right for Kerry to receive Communion, and the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee quickly affirmed his support for abortion rights and took Communion the next day. The head of a task force of U.S. bishops said Tuesday that Catholic politicians who advocate policies contrary to church teaching on abortion and other issues may risk sanctions that fall short of denial of Communion. I have not gotten to the stage where I'm comfortable in denying the Eucharist, said Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, archbishop of Washington. Pelosi, a San Francisco Democrat who was raised in a devout Italian Catholic home, told reporters, I believe that my position on choice is one that is consistent with my Catholic upbringing, which said that every person has a free will and has the responsibility to live their lives in a way that they would have to account for in the end. I'm certainly concerned when the church comes together and says it's going to sanction people in public office for speaking their conscience and what they believe, she said. xponent Axis Of You Know What Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 04:18 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote: Mike Lee wrote: So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little Throw Momma From the Train service for each other by helping to kill the self-congratulatory female meme that full time moms work harder than anyone else and are doing a great job. Your average receptionist deals with more stress, interruptions and infantile behavior than the average mother of three, and she does it a lot better too. I think the worst part of it is, there's no break. You leave the receptionist job at the end of the day, and even if you're having to deal with crap outside of the job, at least it's *different* crap. And the receptionist's job seldom involves dealing with *actual* crap . . . not to mention other less than attractive or sanitary bodily effluvia on an almost continuous basis for at least the first couple of years . . . Oh, yeah, and most receptionists are not required by their job description to clean the carpet on a regular basis. (I am *so* glad I put my foot down on not having carpeting in certain rooms Just wishing I had on a couple of others, as well, but hey, we can replace the carpet in a few years, right?) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
Dave Land wrote: Jim Sharkey took Mike Lee's bait, concluding with: Don't let your rampant personality defects make you a hater, Mike. I don't think there's any danger of that in our beloved Sock Puppet's case -- his posts bespeak a hatred that goes right to the core. I'm guessing that when he was a kid with a magnifier, the ants in the backyard ran for cover. Given what the ants around here do if you get too close to their home (usually on your own darn lawn, at that), I think that burning with a magnifying glass isn't harsh enough. But I'd much rather give my kid a magnifying glass than let him spread the ant poison on the any of the 150 antmounds we have on the property. (And no, I'm not really exaggerating. It's 2 acres' worth of yard.) Julia and how do you know he's not just playing with your head, anyway? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
14 Traits of the GOP
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm Fascism Anyone? Laurence W. Britt -- -- The following article is from Free Inquiry magazine, Volume 23, Number 2. -- -- Free Inquiry readers may pause to read the Affirmations of Humanism: A Statement of Principles on the inside cover of the magazine. To a secular humanist, these principles seem so logical, so right, so crucial. Yet, there is one archetypal political philosophy that is anathema to almost all of these principles. It is fascism. And fascisms principles are wafting in the air today, surreptitiously masquerading as something else, challenging everything we stand for. The cliché that people and nations learn from history is not only overused, but also overestimated; often we fail to learn from history, or draw the wrong conclusions. Sadly, historical amnesia is the norm. We are two-and-a-half generations removed from the horrors of Nazi Germany, although constant reminders jog the consciousness. German and Italian fascism form the historical models that define this twisted political worldview. Although they no longer exist, this worldview and the characteristics of these models have been imitated by protofascist1 regimes at various times in the twentieth century. Both the original German and Italian models and the later protofascist regimes show remarkably similar characteristics. Although many scholars question any direct connection among these regimes, few can dispute their visual similarities. Beyond the visual, even a cursory study of these fascist and protofascist regimes reveals the absolutely striking convergence of their modus operandi. This, of course, is not a revelation to the informed political observer, but it is sometimes useful in the interests of perspective to restate obvious facts and in so doing shed needed light on current circumstances. For the purpose of this perspective, I will consider the following regimes: Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Francos Spain, Salazars Portugal, Papadopouloss Greece, Pinochets Chile, and Suhartos Indonesia. To be sure, they constitute a mixed bag of national identities, cultures, developmental levels, and history. But they all followed the fascist or protofascist model in obtaining, expanding, and maintaining power. Further, all these regimes have been overthrown, so a more or less complete picture of their basic characteristics and abuses is possible. Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity. 1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia. 2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation. 3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the peoples attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choicerelentless propaganda and disinformationwere usually effective. Often the regimes would incite spontaneous acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and terrorists. Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly. 4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite. 5. Rampant sexism.
Re: March for Women's Lives
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives and how do you know he's not just playing with your head, anyway? Exactly what trolls do. xponent Eel Kime Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
ShrubCo Deletes, Alters Gender Issue Web Data
http://news.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNewsstoryID=4977 467 U.S. Deletes, Alters Gender Issue Web Data -Report Wed Apr 28, 2004 06:13 PM ET By Deborah Zabarenko WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration has stripped information on a range of women's issues from government Web sites, apparently in pursuit of a political agenda, researchers reported on Wednesday. Vital information is being deleted, buried, distorted and has otherwise gone missing from government Web sites and publications, Linda Basch, president of the National Council for Research on Women, said in a telephone interview. Taken cumulatively, this has an enormously negative effect on women and girls. A council report said the missing information fell into four categories: women's health; their economic status; objective scientific data; and information aimed at protecting women and girls and helping them advance. The deletions and alterations appear to hew to a political agenda, rather than providing the nonpartisan, unbiased data that has been the tradition of U.S. government reports, the council said. Its report cited a fact sheet from the Centers of Disease Control that focused on the advantages of using condoms to prevent sexually transmitted disease; it was revised in December 2002 to say evidence on condoms' effectiveness in curbing these diseases was inconclusive. The National Cancer Institute's Web site was changed in 2002 to say studies linking abortion and breast cancer were inconsistent; after an outcry from scientists, the institute later amended that to say abortion is not associated with increased breast cancer risk. 25 PUBLICATIONS DELETED At the Labor Department's Women's Bureau Web site, the report said 25 key publications on subjects ranging from pay equity to child care to issues relating to black and Latina women and women business owners had been deleted with no explanation. Key government offices dedicated to addressing the needs of women have been disbanded, according to the report. These include the Office of Women's Initiatives and Outreach in the White House and the President's Interagency Council on Women. At the Pentagon, the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services was slated to be dismantled but was saved after an outcry. However, the report said this committee now focused on issues such as health care for servicewomen and the effects of deployment on families, but not on equity and access issues. In the area of scientific objectivity, the report said two advisory committees recommended the Food and Drug Administration approve a contraceptive known as Plan B as a nonprescription drug but were blocked by political pressure from doing so. Regarding violence against women, the report said the U.S. attorney general, as of March 2004, had failed to conduct and publish a study required under the 2000 Violence Against Women Act to investigate discrimination against domestic violence victims in getting insurance. The White House did not immediately return a call for comment. -- I can't imagine that I'm going to be attacked for telling the truth. Why would I be attacked for telling the truth? Paul O'Neill, 60 Minutes ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives and how do you know he's not just playing with your head, anyway? Exactly what trolls do. With a troll, you have a number of options. One of those is choosing to be amused. I'm trying to go with that one as much as possible this week. :) (Ignoring is another, getting one's panties in a wad is yet another.) That receptionist comment is rankling a bit, though, due to the ludicrous incompetency I've heard about in a number of receptionists. (And had to deal with personally in a rather stressful situation.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
At 10:42 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote: But I'd much rather give my kid a magnifying glass than let him spread the ant poison on the any of the 150 antmounds we have on the property. If you do that (I am not making a recommendation here), just be sure it is a genuine magnifying _glass_, as many of the plastic ones I have experimented with¹ appear to not pass enough IR to get something¹ at the focal point hot enough to burn. Of course, this introduces safety issues of its own, such as what may happen if he drops it on a hard surface and it shatters . . . _ ¹FWIW, my experiments generally involved materials such as paper or dry leaves . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ShrubCo Deletes, Alters Gender Issue Web Data
At 10:56 PM 4/29/04, The Fool wrote: Key government offices dedicated to addressing the needs of women have been disbanded, according to the report. Well, heck, we know that all women need is to find a man and have children so they can sit around all day watching soap operas and eating bob-bons . . . Oink, Oink Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
