Placebos Are Getting More Effective

2009-08-24 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff_placebo_effect?currentPage=1

A mind is a terrible thing.


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Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:52 PM, John Williamsjwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote:

 If he predicts a recovery every year, he may get lucky and be right
 sometime! Well, if he didn't permanently injure his hand patting
 himself on the back in his speech last Friday...Hey, look at me, I
 prevented another Great Depression! Reminds me of television's _Lost_
 -- entering the numbers into the computer, you can always say you were
 preventing the destruction of the world by your actions, as long as
 you scare people enough about what could happen that they don't ask
 for credible proof that it actually would happen without your actions.

If he was the only one saying that there was a problem you might have
a point, but as the vast majority of economists said that there was a
huge problem, it just sounds like sour grapes.

Doug

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Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-24 Thread John Williams
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:

 If he was the only one saying that there was a problem you might have
 a point, but as the vast majority of economists said that there was a
 huge problem

Economists are no better at predicting the future than anyone else.
How many economists do you know that got rich investing? The vast
majority of economists do no better than average at investing.

Of course economists like to persuade others that they can predict the
future better than non-economists, and then to claim that they can fix
things when they go wrong. That makes them look good, feel good, like
they are vitally needed and are helping people. More importantly, they
get more prestigious jobs by  persuading others that they have the
magic touch.

If economists were so capable of making things better, then the
reasonable and scientific thing to do would have been to not act
immediately, to observe scientifically, to see if things were really
going as bad as some claimed. If they had done that, then there would
be evidence whether their predictions of doom were true, and then the
politicians and economists could spring into action and fix things.
The problem is, if they did that, people would realize that
economists' predictions are no better than a coin-flip. Why risk their
reputation on that?

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Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
 John Williams wrote:

 Economists are no better at predicting the future than anyone else.
 How many economists do you know that got rich investing? The vast
 majority of economists do no better than average at investing.

 Of course economists like to persuade others that they can predict the
 future better than non-economists, and then to claim that they can fix
 things when they go wrong. That makes them look good, feel good, like
 they are vitally needed and are helping people. More importantly, they
 get more prestigious jobs by  persuading others that they have the
 magic touch.

Who would you have us listen to then?

 If economists were so capable of making things better, then the
 reasonable and scientific thing to do would have been to not act
 immediately, to observe scientifically, to see if things were really
 going as bad as some claimed. If they had done that, then there would
 be evidence whether their predictions of doom were true, and then the
 politicians and economists could spring into action and fix things.
 The problem is, if they did that, people would realize that
 economists' predictions are no better than a coin-flip. Why risk their
 reputation on that?

Maybe firefighters, upon arriving at a structure fire should observe
scientifically to see if things were really burning as quickly as they
seemed.

Then again, maybe not.

Doug

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