Re: Atheists Purge History
--- iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the sort of move that only The Fool could love, the ACLU has recently succeeded in purging references to the role of the Spanish Missions ins settling California in the Seal of the City of Los Angeles. After all, we all know that the City of Los Angeles was a virtual theocracy under the current Seal. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-seal2jun02,1,561000.story? coll=la-home-local I've got mixed opinions on this.. I don't honestly believe that _historical_ references to Xianity need to be scrubbed from our public life; if you really want to pick a fight about this kind of stuff, what about In God We Trust and the prayer before sessions of Congress or Bush everytime he says God bless America? *shrug* ACLU still gets my money, though. Good on them for raising the issue; I don't think these things should be automatically assumed as right or wrong, but SHOULD be discussed, in court, in press, in public. -k- __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Atheists Purge History
In the sort of move that only The Fool could love, the ACLU has recently succeeded in purging references to the role of the Spanish Missions ins settling California in the Seal of the City of Los Angeles. After all, we all know that the City of Los Angeles was a virtual theocracy under the current Seal. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-seal2jun02,1,561000.story? coll=la-home-local JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Atheists Purge History
On 2 Jun 2004, at 9:04 pm, iaamoac wrote: In the sort of move that only The Fool could love, the ACLU has recently succeeded in purging references to the role of the Spanish Missions ins settling California in the Seal of the City of Los Angeles. After all, we all know that the City of Los Angeles was a virtual theocracy under the current Seal. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-seal2jun02,1,561000.story? coll=la-home-local That would be the 'American Civil Liberties Union' John, not the 'Atheist Civil Liberties Union'. From the article: The cross along with a cow, a tuna fish, a Spanish galleon, the Hollywood Bowl and the Goddess Pomona cradling an armful of fruit has adorned the county seal since 1957. The American Civil Liberties Union argued that the official insignia, which appears on everything from county vehicles and meeting rooms to employee badges and telephone books, was unconstitutional because it reflects an impermissible endorsement of Christianity by the county government and is a violation of the 1st Amendment. ... But a review of the transcript from a 1956 Board of Supervisors meeting reveals that, at the time, the cross was intended as a religious symbol. After some speakers joked about what they considered an emaciated cow, Kenneth Hahn praised the seal for depicting the cultural and educational and the religious life of this county. Even then, the inclusion of the cross offended some residents. One Beverly Hills man, Burton Zipser, wrote to the Board of Supervisors: It is fundamental to the American way of life that the state and the church are separated. If we do not permit any references in our educational institutions, let us not give token approval through our government bodies. Federal courts have, on more than one occasion, found the use of a cross in a government seal unconstitutional. Among those told to remove crosses in the 1990s were Bernalillo County in New Mexico, and the cities of Rolling Meadows and Zion in Illinois. This seems like a completely clear-cut violation, and the ACLU is just doing what it says in its charter. The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees: Your First Amendment rights-freedom of speech, association and assembly. Freedom of the press, and freedom of religion supported by the strict separation of church and state. Your right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin. Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake. Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again. -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Atheists Purge History
Can someone post the whole article for those of us that don't want to start an account? Or do we have a Brin-L account thre too? Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Damon Agretto wrote: Can someone post the whole article for those of us that don't want to start an account? Or do we have a Brin-L account thre too? I went to bugmenot.com, and found this account: user name: utesfan password: sierra __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Science Fiction-themed online store . http://www.sloan3d.com/store Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Atheists Purge History
And yet, the image of the goddess Pomona was permitted to remain. This is an outrage. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Atheists Purge History
On 3 Jun 2004, at 12:27 am, Dave Land wrote: And yet, the image of the goddess Pomona was permitted to remain. This is an outrage. If there were any Pomana worshippers in the area in question, they might well be objecting first... I don't think expired religions count in this question. They become mythology, and public domain :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. -- Robert Firth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
