RE: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-08 Thread Horn, John
 From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 The only rule we got at school was 'after c', and then one 
 just learned 
 all the exceptions. Everyone has a few words they can't spell 
 I think. 
 One of mine is 'resteraunt'. Oops! Restaurant.

Mine are: vacuum, caffeine, torture and a few others.

Fortunately, torture doesn't come up too much outside of RPG situations...

Hey!  I got them all right on the first, ok, second try!

  - jmh
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RE: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-08 Thread Jan Coffey

--- Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  The only rule we got at school was 'after c', and then one 
  just learned 
  all the exceptions. Everyone has a few words they can't spell 
  I think. 
  One of mine is 'resteraunt'. Oops! Restaurant.
 
 Mine are: vacuum, caffeine, torture and a few others.
 

Why is people spelled that way? Everyone sais pee-pole not pee-op-le.

hu, hu huhu hu, He said _pee_ _pole_, hu huh huhu



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English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Han Tacoma wrote:
 
 Debbi explains the origins of fish on
 (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT))
 [..gone snip crazy...]
  I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
  ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
  fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)
 
 ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men
 
  English is such a fun language!
 
 ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-)

Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. 
:)

The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them:

either
foreign
forfeit
leisure
neither
seize
weird

There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?

Julia

who will give the whole *rule* if someone asks for it
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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Jan Coffey

--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Han Tacoma wrote:
  
  Debbi explains the origins of fish on
  (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT))
  [..gone snip crazy...]
   I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
   ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
   fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)
  
  ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men
  
   English is such a fun language!
  
  ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-)
 
 Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. 
 :)
 
 The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
 brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them:
 
 either
 foreign
 forfeit
 leisure
 neither
 seize
 weird
 
 There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
 

Stein

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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/7/2003 12:39:18 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
   
  
  Stein

There are many steins in Leipzig, ja?

William Taylor
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After going through at $4 a book
...and again at $3 a book
...and then $10 a bag
...and then a second $10 bag,
I found a copy of Anathema!
Medieval Book Curses.

Worth at least $100
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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Han Tacoma
Julia (Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500) writes:
 Han Tacoma wrote:
  
  Debbi explains the origins of fish on
  (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT))
  [..gone snip crazy...]
   I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
   ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
   fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)
  
  ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men
  
   English is such a fun language!
  
  ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-)
 
 Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. 
 :)
 
 The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
 brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them:
 
 either
 foreign
 forfeit
 leisure
 neither
 seize
 weird
 
 There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?

...and that would be in USA English, as opposed to Canadjian English,
as opposed to Aussie English, as opposed to Blymie English, as opposed
to [...oooh what the heck, I'm getting tired of typing -- one of these days
when I make some extra money I'll buy Dragon-dictate or a simile]

WORTHIBUTTER Szawry doctor! 'ees off 'iz bleumin' chump ee is!
Gar well blymie ga yve me a bleedin...
by John Mucci Qui debeat melius sapere Maru

Cheers!
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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Han Tacoma
Amendment at the end.

- Original Message - 
From: Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: English rules  exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people


 Julia (Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500) writes:
  Han Tacoma wrote:
   
   Debbi explains the origins of fish on
   (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT))
   [..gone snip crazy...]
I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)
   
   ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men
   
English is such a fun language!
   
   ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-)
  
  Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. 
  :)
  
  The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
  brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them:
  
  either
  foreign
  forfeit
  leisure
  neither
  seize
  weird
  
  There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
 
 ...and that would be in USA English, as opposed to Canadjian English,
 as opposed to Aussie English, as opposed to Blymie English, as opposed
 to [...oooh what the heck, I'm getting tired of typing -- one of these days
 when I make some extra money I'll buy Dragon-dictate or a simile]
 
 WORTHIBUTTER Szawry doctor! 'ees off 'iz bleumin' chump ee is!
 Gar well blymie ga yve me a bleedin...
 by John Mucci Qui debeat melius sapere Maru

DRACULA
(Undressed)
a modern amorality play 
in Two Acts 
http://www.jmucci.com/plays/drac1.htm

 
 Cheers!
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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread listmail
On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:

The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of
them:

either
foreign
forfeit
leisure
neither
seize
weird

There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?

Their?

Dean

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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
 
 The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
 brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of
 them:
 
 either
 foreign
 forfeit
 leisure
 neither
 seize
 weird
 
 There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
 
 Their?

That falls under the main rule:

I before E except after c, or when combined they make the sound of
long a.  (There's a nice little ditty for that last bit which I don't
remember.)

Neighbor fits the general rule.  Their does, as well, as does
weigh.

Conceive fits the part about after 'c'.

Julia
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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:05 PM 6/7/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
Han Tacoma wrote:

 Debbi explains the origins of fish on
 (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT))
 [..gone snip crazy...]
  I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
  ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
  fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)

 ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men

  English is such a fun language!

 ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-)
Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case.
:)
The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them:
either
foreign
forfeit
leisure
neither
seize
weird
There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?


Searching for *ei* in the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary yields 
1687 matching entries.

(Maybe it isn't surprising that you couldn't remember that Alzheimer's is 
one of them . . . )



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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Han Tacoma
On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:31:00 -0500 Julia told Dean
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
  
  The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
  brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of
  them:
  
  either
  foreign
  forfeit
  leisure
  neither
  seize
  weird
  
  There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
  
  Their?
 
 That falls under the main rule:
 
 I before E except after c, or when combined they make the sound of
 long a.  (There's a nice little ditty for that last bit which I don't
 remember.)
 
 Neighbor fits the general rule.  Their does, as well, as does
 weigh.
 
 Conceive fits the part about after 'c'.


...uuuf!, and those rules are simple.

Whan that Aprille, 
with hise shoures soote,
The droghte of March 
hath perced to the roote

   -Canterbury Tales, Prologue, 1-2.
Geoffrey Chaucer (1342 - 1400)

When in April
the sweet showers fall 
That pierce March's
drought to the root and all

...and to think that the former
could have been spoken if 
Gutemberg hadn't circa 1450
come up with the printing press.

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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread William T Goodall
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 10:31  pm, Julia Thompson wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:

The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of
them:
either
foreign
forfeit
leisure
neither
seize
weird
There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
Their?
That falls under the main rule:

I before E except after c, or when combined they make the sound of
long a.  (There's a nice little ditty for that last bit which I don't
remember.)
Neighbor fits the general rule.  Their does, as well, as does
weigh.
Conceive fits the part about after 'c'.
Theism
Atheism
Leitmotif
Heist
Heifer.
Time to stop now :)

The only rule we got at school was 'after c', and then one just learned 
all the exceptions. Everyone has a few words they can't spell I think. 
One of mine is 'resteraunt'. Oops! Restaurant.

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William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/
First they came for the verbs, and I said nothing because verbing
weirds language.  Then they arrival for the nouns, and I speech
nothing because I no verbs.
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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Jan Coffey

--- Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...and to think that the former
 could have been spoken if 
 Gutemberg hadn't circa 1450
 come up with the printing press.
 

Hay now, Getemberg may have stole that idea from the chinese, but that's no
reason to blame him for modern spelling standardization.

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