Google Wave
So??? I tried signing up via their website but haven't heard anything. What's the scoop? Doug ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)
On Mon, 10/19/09, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote: Never underestimate the power of human error. As this debacle demonstrates. (me, IIRC) Which particular debacle would that be? I was referring to the Sidekick debacle: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Microsoft-Claims-Sidekick-Data-Will-Be-Restored-This-Week-491196/ Whoops! I have a friend who isn't using that service, but somehow lost all his hundreds of contacts from his phone, and they weren't retreivable from his back-up site either. I, OTOH, have all my contacts on paper...(and I'd be smug about it except I don't have hundreds, just dozens, which is quite managable). There _was_ something about a 'hole in security of cloud computing' in a recent MIT Tech update (but I only get the headlines, not the full story, and doubt I'd understand without some major studying, which I just don't have time for at this point...). Debbi Borderline Luddite? Maru :) ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)
Julia wrote: (Jo Anne -- a RAID is a Redundant Array of Independent Disks, where the data is stored on multiple disks and checked for accuracy on some regular basis. If one drive goes down, either the data should be duplicated somewhere, or there should be enough information stored on another disk or disks to reconstruct what was lost. Off-site backup is still recommended for things like fire, floods and tornadoes, and don't anyone laugh about the tornadoes, m'kay?) Thanks, Julia. I figured it was something like that and not a can of bug spray. Amities, Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
From: Matt Grimaldi matzeb...@yahoo.com FUD usually appears as an acronym for the usual resistance to change: Fear Uncertainty Doubt Oh, dear. I'm hosed. I neither twitter nor text nor have a phone that I use for anything other than talking... Debbi I Am NOT A Fuddy-Duddy!!! Maru ...am I? ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)
From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com massive snip Never underestimate the power of human error. As this debacle demonstrates. Which particular debacle would that be? We gotcher health care, Afghanistan, Eyerak, and balloon boys... Take yer pik! Debbi Whaddya Expect From A Family On Wife-Swap Twice? Maru ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
From: Matt Grimaldi matzeb...@yahoo.com FUD usually appears as an acronym for the usual resistance to change: Fear Uncertainty Doubt From: Deborah Harrell harrellmed...@yahoo.com ]Oh, dear. I'm hosed. I neither twitter nor text nor have a phone that I use for anything other than talking... ] ]Debbi ]I Am NOT A Fuddy-Duddy!!! Maru ] ]...am I? No, you just haven't found the killer app that would make you *need* to get one yet. Being a late adopter doesn't become FUD until you're trying to convince everyone that it (whatever it is...) is just a fad, will be dangerous, won't work properly, will cost too much, and so on... -- Matt ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Deborah Harrell harrellmed...@yahoo.com wrote: From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com massive snip Never underestimate the power of human error. As this debacle demonstrates. Which particular debacle would that be? I was referring to the Sidekick debacle: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Microsoft-Claims-Sidekick-Data-Will-Be-Restored-This-Week-491196/ ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)
On Oct 18, 2009, at 12:25 AM, Max Battcher wrote: On 10/18/2009 0:38, John Williams wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Julia Thompsonf...@zurg.net wrote: Er. In that sort of a situation, I myself would set up a RAID for storing the data, *much* less chance for losing it. RAID does not protect from rm -rf / , which (some variant of) is my guess at what happened. Although now they are saying most of the data is recovered, so maybe it got munged in a reversible way. Any cloud service at this point is going to be tens, if not hundreds, of servers. (Major services easily run in the thousands of servers, and if you count virtual servers the biggest services are using millions of servers already.) At this point any outage that is going to affect a service as whole is generally going to be a lot subtler (and possibly a lot nastier, such an accidental viral infection due to an underlying bug/exploit in the service) than a rm -rf /. At least, assuming the system admins are doing their jobs correctly rm -rf / to a single server is extremely unlikely to cause massive outage or damage... (As a service gets large enough hard drives are expected to fail randomly, and surprisingly frequently, and services should be designed around that problem...) And, as with a RAID except on a much larger scale, there's built in redundancy and error correction, so the system tends to self-heal. About the only threat is viral mechanisms that propagate through the system. I'm just territorial about my data, is all. I tend to like knowing where it's stored and who has access to it, and have some control over its persistence in some cases. There are some applications for which I think cloud storage might serve my needs, and others for which I consider it unsuitable. Oh yeah? Well, I speak LOOOUD, and I carry a BEEEger stick -- and I use it too! **whop!** -- Yosemite Sam ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Bruce Bostwick lihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Oct 18, 2009, at 12:25 AM, Max Battcher wrote: On 10/18/2009 0:38, John Williams wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Julia Thompsonf...@zurg.net wrote: Er. In that sort of a situation, I myself would set up a RAID for storing the data, *much* less chance for losing it. RAID does not protect from rm -rf / , which (some variant of) is my guess at what happened. Although now they are saying most of the data is recovered, so maybe it got munged in a reversible way. Any cloud service at this point is going to be tens, if not hundreds, of servers. (Major services easily run in the thousands of servers, and if you count virtual servers the biggest services are using millions of servers already.) At this point any outage that is going to affect a service as whole is generally going to be a lot subtler (and possibly a lot nastier, such an accidental viral infection due to an underlying bug/exploit in the service) than a rm -rf /. At least, assuming the system admins are doing their jobs correctly rm -rf / to a single server is extremely unlikely to cause massive outage or damage... (As a service gets large enough hard drives are expected to fail randomly, and surprisingly frequently, and services should be designed around that problem...) And, as with a RAID except on a much larger scale, there's built in redundancy and error correction, so the system tends to self-heal. About the only threat is viral mechanisms that propagate through the system. Never underestimate the power of human error. As this debacle demonstrates. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Google Wave
Hi all, Nick Lance have both turned up in my Wave contacts list, so I guess that means they both got their invitations OK. Can't see Dave there yet though. I have started a discussion here added Nick Lance to it. https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252B06VwwaASC I tried searching for sen...@iicx.net, but the search only appears to work for x...@googlewave.com, I tried sen...@googlewave.com, but got no hits. My wave address is darkenf...@googlewave.com if anyone wants to find the conversation that way. Sorry, to the others who would have liked an invite. I have only got two left, and I am saving them for the moment, perhaps Nick or Lance might have one to spare. I'm still getting the hang of Wave. I think it has got definite potential, but I'm not sure that it is going to be a game changer. Regards, Wayne (from a new e-mail address) Eddy ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)
Er. In that sort of a situation, I myself would set up a RAID for storing the data, *much* less chance for losing it. I'd just do that anyway. In fact, the computer that's still in a box and is destined to replace the one I'm using right now has a RAID, because I seem to have a knack for catastrophically losing hard drives that baffles my husband entirely. (He has more problems with his PDAs than I do, so I guess there's *some* sort of balance) I think I've lost 2 or 3 in the past 6 years, and any data that wasn't backed up, which is kind of rough for an information junkie. For *that* sort of application, I'd go with a decent number of disks in the array for any one set of data. My own problem with cloud computing is, if the magical set of wires between me and my data has a glitch, I can't get to my data, and we end up with Grumpy Julia, which is not pleasant for anyone directly involved. (Jo Anne -- a RAID is a Redundant Array of Independent Disks, where the data is stored on multiple disks and checked for accuracy on some regular basis. If one drive goes down, either the data should be duplicated somewhere, or there should be enough information stored on another disk or disks to reconstruct what was lost. Off-site backup is still recommended for things like fire, floods and tornadoes, and don't anyone laugh about the tornadoes, m'kay?) Julia ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Julia Thompson f...@zurg.net wrote: Er. In that sort of a situation, I myself would set up a RAID for storing the data, *much* less chance for losing it. RAID does not protect from rm -rf / , which (some variant of) is my guess at what happened. Although now they are saying most of the data is recovered, so maybe it got munged in a reversible way. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)
On 10/18/2009 0:38, John Williams wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Julia Thompsonf...@zurg.net wrote: Er. In that sort of a situation, I myself would set up a RAID for storing the data, *much* less chance for losing it. RAID does not protect from rm -rf / , which (some variant of) is my guess at what happened. Although now they are saying most of the data is recovered, so maybe it got munged in a reversible way. Any cloud service at this point is going to be tens, if not hundreds, of servers. (Major services easily run in the thousands of servers, and if you count virtual servers the biggest services are using millions of servers already.) At this point any outage that is going to affect a service as whole is generally going to be a lot subtler (and possibly a lot nastier, such an accidental viral infection due to an underlying bug/exploit in the service) than a rm -rf /. At least, assuming the system admins are doing their jobs correctly rm -rf / to a single server is extremely unlikely to cause massive outage or damage... (As a service gets large enough hard drives are expected to fail randomly, and surprisingly frequently, and services should be designed around that problem...) -- --Max Battcher-- http://worldmaker.net ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Thanks, Max and Bruce. But I have one more question. What's FUD? Is it printable? Amities, Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
FUD usually appears as an acronym for the usual resistance to change: Fear Uncertainty Doubt -- Matt - Original Message From: Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 12:45:22 PM Subject: Re: Google Wave Thanks, Max and Bruce. But I have one more question. What's FUD? Is it printable? Amities, Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On 15/10/2009, at 8:11 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Wayne, I used this e-mail address for my wave account (sen...@iicx.net) so perhaps try adding that address to the wave? Can you invite others to the beta? I'm interested, but I don't have access. It's a bit of a bugger, but no, not easily. I maintain many Google hosted mail/apps/etc. services for clients and didn't get anything other than a secondary invite (which at present can not invite others.) Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On 15/10/2009, at 8:18 AM, Wayne Eddy wrote: No Problem, Nick. I will send you an invite - I think it might take a few days to process though. I assume you want to use this address nick.arn...@gmail.com ? The invites aren't linked to the e-mail address it's sent to; once the user has received the invite, they can use it with any e-mail address they wish. And yes, they do take a few days to process. Regards, Wayne. - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Google Wave On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Can you invite others to the beta? I'm interested, but I don't have access. Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
OK, Guys, what the heck is Google Wave? Is it like what Twits do with Tweets? I know what a beta test is, but a Google Wave? Speak slowly and directly into the microphone, please. Amities, Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Jo Anne wrote: OK, Guys, what the heck is Google Wave? Is it like what Twits do with Tweets? I know what a beta test is, but a Google Wave? Speak slowly and directly into the microphone, please. It depends on who you ask and how much hype they've ingested, digested, and are prepared to spew back at you... Basically, Google Wave is an attempt at a convergence of... well, everything that is communication, actually. It tries to converge the immediacy of IM or Twitter with the long term storage and general richness of email or forum conversations or Word documents. It has the possibility of becoming One Inbox to Rule Them All, but that invokes a lot of assumptions that may not necessarily be true nor become true. So far, I remain a skeptic of the project: considering how hard it is to explain the system I wonder if it is too complex to easily gain mainstream acceptance/usage. You can watch the long video (and it is long) trying to explain the thing at the Wave website: http://wave.google.com -- --Max Battcher-- http://worldmaker.net ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Max Battcher wrote: Jo Anne wrote: OK, Guys, what the heck is Google Wave? Is it like what Twits do with Tweets? I know what a beta test is, but a Google Wave? Speak slowly and directly into the microphone, please. It depends on who you ask and how much hype they've ingested, digested, and are prepared to spew back at you... Basically, Google Wave is an attempt at a convergence of... well, everything that is communication, actually. It tries to converge the immediacy of IM or Twitter with the long term storage and general richness of email or forum conversations or Word documents. It has the possibility of becoming One Inbox to Rule Them All, but that invokes a lot of assumptions that may not necessarily be true nor become true. So far, I remain a skeptic of the project: considering how hard it is to explain the system I wonder if it is too complex to easily gain mainstream acceptance/usage. You can watch the long video (and it is long) trying to explain the thing at the Wave website: http://wave.google.com I haven't chimed in on Wave or the more general subject of cloud computing yet, since I haven't used it yet (which, in some people's judgment, makes me ineligible to comment, although I consider that a questionable argument), but my misgivings about it are generally related to the same question of how valid the underlying assumptions are, as well as the overall reliability of the servers the storage lives on. (It seems to me that a lot of the hype around the cloud computing concept is really thin on details of infrastructure, storage reliability/redundancy and backup maintenance, privacy protection, and a whole range of other unanswered questions I've had about it. And for people who seem so eager to have me store my personal data on their servers, a lot of those unanswered questions are show stoppers for me.) The true paradox of democracy is that it is vulnerable to defeat from within -- Me ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Bruce Bostwick wrote: I haven't chimed in on Wave or the more general subject of cloud computing yet, since I haven't used it yet (which, in some people's judgment, makes me ineligible to comment, although I consider that a questionable argument), but my misgivings about it are generally related to the same question of how valid the underlying assumptions are, as well as the overall reliability of the servers the storage lives on. In terms of specific to Google Wave: for now early adopters should trust Google's storage policies (and considering the vast number of people with Gmail addresses, many do), with the addition of the Google way-early-beta caveat. In the mid to long term other servers should start to pick up Wave usage. The entire Java source to run your own Wave server is available for use and adaptation and servers talk to each other in similar ways to email servers (so Wave participant addresses right now are things like max.battc...@googlewave.com, which look like email addresses but aren't guaranteed to be one and the same). (More accurately, the server to server protocols are based on the more recent XMPP IM standards rather than decades-old email, but the general idea is the same...) (It seems to me that a lot of the hype around the cloud computing concept is really thin on details of infrastructure, storage reliability/redundancy and backup maintenance, privacy protection, and a whole range of other unanswered questions I've had about it. And for people who seem so eager to have me store my personal data on their servers, a lot of those unanswered questions are show stoppers for me.) Well cloud computing has come to embody a lot of concepts, generally, and can be anything from marketing droid speak to a beloved panacea from the computing gods... To be honest the term in common parlance doesn't seem to have a very well-defined meaning anymore. Generally, individual cloud computing providers should be able to provide you with all of the details that you need, and your questions are unanswered, you may not be asking the right people... All of the services that I use on a daily basis are very forthright with that sort of information and I would say that I have days where I am very paranoid. It's hard to argue anything at a general cloud computing level, and just like any other set of services you have to go into each relationship with some idea of your intent and the company/entity's trustworthiness. Perhaps if you named specific services or concerns your questions might be answered. -- --Max Battcher-- http://worldmaker.net ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Max Battcher wrote: Bruce Bostwick wrote: I haven't chimed in on Wave or the more general subject of cloud computing yet, since I haven't used it yet (which, in some people's judgment, makes me ineligible to comment, although I consider that a questionable argument), but my misgivings about it are generally related to the same question of how valid the underlying assumptions are, as well as the overall reliability of the servers the storage lives on. In terms of specific to Google Wave: for now early adopters should trust Google's storage policies (and considering the vast number of people with Gmail addresses, many do), with the addition of the Google way-early-beta caveat. In the mid to long term other servers should start to pick up Wave usage. The entire Java source to run your own Wave server is available for use and adaptation and servers talk to each other in similar ways to email servers (so Wave participant addresses right now are things like max.battc...@googlewave.com, which look like email addresses but aren't guaranteed to be one and the same). (More accurately, the server to server protocols are based on the more recent XMPP IM standards rather than decades-old email, but the general idea is the same...) (It seems to me that a lot of the hype around the cloud computing concept is really thin on details of infrastructure, storage reliability/redundancy and backup maintenance, privacy protection, and a whole range of other unanswered questions I've had about it. And for people who seem so eager to have me store my personal data on their servers, a lot of those unanswered questions are show stoppers for me.) Well cloud computing has come to embody a lot of concepts, generally, and can be anything from marketing droid speak to a beloved panacea from the computing gods... To be honest the term in common parlance doesn't seem to have a very well-defined meaning anymore. Generally, individual cloud computing providers should be able to provide you with all of the details that you need, and your questions are unanswered, you may not be asking the right people... All of the services that I use on a daily basis are very forthright with that sort of information and I would say that I have days where I am very paranoid. It's hard to argue anything at a general cloud computing level, and just like any other set of services you have to go into each relationship with some idea of your intent and the company/entity's trustworthiness. Perhaps if you named specific services or concerns your questions might be answered. Part of my concern with the concept in general is the fairly glaring admin/management deficiency described in this article: http://dailyqi.com/?p=10576 Even though Danger is owned by Microsoft, who is a proponent of cloud-based computing where data is stored and possibly reproduced across a number of services, only one server apparently was used. This isn’t the problem here, but it’s the apparent lack of any data backup by Danger is. The company’s statement on this should be very interesting. Granted, the mistake was fairly obvious, but it's hard to find out about things like that up front. (Although, as you say, any provider that's reluctant or outright unable to answer questions like what backup strategy do you use? isn't a good choice ..) I'm probably not a typical Texan in that I don't hunt. I fish, but I don't hunt. And it has nothing to do with how I think it might somehow be more holy to eat meat that's been bludgeoned to death by someone else, that's not it. It's really early in the morning, it's really cold outside, and...I don't wanna go. -- Ron White ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)
Bruce Bostwick wrote: Part of my concern with the concept in general is the fairly glaring admin/management deficiency described in this article: http://dailyqi.com/?p=10576 I've been avoiding most articles on this subject because there is a lot of FUD out there and very little real truth. Some of that is T-Mobile blamestorming and some of that is the usual sorts that like any opportunity to smear Microsoft. It's very easy to focus on the negative case studies in cloud computing and miss the 99.9% of the time when stuff works as it is supposed to. No one buys digital ads for articles about the status quo works, go back to sleep. Danger was acquired in February of this year and I wouldn't be surprised that the majority of the infrastructure in question predated the acquisition. Even big companies like Microsoft can't magically change infrastructure with the snap of a finger... Furthermore, to my knowledge, Microsoft/Danger have been explicitly mum about what precisely the technological glitches were that lead to the failures. It's certainly easy to presume that there were no backups at all, but at this point it is still hearsay, at best, and my money is on slander. I've heard that some of the affected customers have already started to get some of their personal data back and the press release from Microsoft declares that they are confident that they will restore the majority of it, which seems to contradict the no backups at all theory pretty well. (I doubt that they would remain confident if they were combing disks in clean rooms for good sectors...) Certainly Microsoft isn't entirely blameless, you would assume a technical audit would be an early priority in any acquisition. Presumably stability issues would be a huge priority and reliability engineers would be some of the first gated into a acquisition project. More particularly, I think that T-Mobile isn't nearly as blameless as they would like to believe or portray themselves as. Getting back to that it's who you ask the questions of problem, T-Mobile was the first call in that chain (their name is branded on the product!) and if their answer at any point was we don't know about our service's reliability or our service is absolutely reliable without connection to reality (and without in turn encouraging customers to talk to Danger if they wanted deeper answers), then they are absolutely a part of the blame and a part of the problem. All of which isn't to say that your fears, Barry, are unwarranted or that caution doesn't apply. More that I think that journalists (and almost especially tech journalists) seem to be having a harder and harder time reflecting technical reality and I think there is a need for some mechanism to break the tedious Hype then Fear/FUD/Doom/Gloom cycle. To me this is exactly the sort of story that breaks that doesn't get a healthy grain of salt... -- --Max Battcher-- http://worldmaker.ne ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Google Wave
Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Regards, Wayne Eddy ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Can you invite others to the beta? I'm interested, but I don't have access. Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
No Problem, Nick. I will send you an invite - I think it might take a few days to process though. I assume you want to use this address nick.arn...@gmail.com ? Regards, Wayne. - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Google Wave On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Can you invite others to the beta? I'm interested, but I don't have access. Nick -- ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Wayne Eddy said the following on 10/14/2009 6:07 PM: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Regards, Wayne Eddy I'd love to get an invite and give it a try as well, Wayne. -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: No Problem, Nick. I will send you an invite - I think it might take a few days to process though. I assume you want to use this address nick.arn...@gmail.com ? That's the one. Thanks! Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Wayne, Top-posting to say, Me, too, please! Dave On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: No Problem, Nick. I will send you an invite - I think it might take a few days to process though. I assume you want to use this address nick.arn...@gmail.com ? Regards, Wayne. - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Google Wave On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Can you invite others to the beta? I'm interested, but I don't have access. Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Hi Lance, have you got a gmail address you want to use? I have sent Nick Dave invites, and I am happy to you one too, but I want to invite a few others from elsewhere so three invites for the Brin List will have to do for now. Looking forward to waving with you in the near future, Regards, Wayne. P.S. Google says: Google Wave is more fun when you have others to wave with, so please nominate people you would like to add. Keep in mind that this is a preview so it could be a bit rocky at times. Invitations will not be sent immediately. We have a lot of stamps to lick. Happy waving! - Original Message - From: Lance A. Brown la...@bearcircle.net To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Google Wave Wayne Eddy said the following on 10/14/2009 6:07 PM: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Regards, Wayne Eddy I'd love to get an invite and give it a try as well, Wayne. -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Wayne Eddy said the following on 10/14/2009 11:28 PM: Hi Lance, have you got a gmail address you want to use? I have sent Nick Dave invites, and I am happy to you one too, but I want to invite a few others from elsewhere so three invites for the Brin List will have to do for now. Looking forward to waving with you in the near future, Hi, You can use lance.a.br...@gmail.com for my invite. Thanks, --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Google Wave
Looks cool, count me in please. Use brig...@zo.com Thanks, Doug On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining a discussion about the future? Regards, Wayne Eddy ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
