Re: Depleted Uranium, Floridated Water, and Bisphenol Food Wrapping

2006-04-24 Thread Trent Shipley
On Saturday 2006-04-22 11:55, Andrew Crystall wrote:
 On 19 Apr 2006 at 17:42, The Fool wrote:
  http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=133828

  Stearns' research, published in the journals Mutagenesis and Molecular
  Carcinogenesis, confirms what many have suspected for some time - that
  uranium can damage DNA as a heavy metal, independently of its
  radioactive properties.

 Yes, really not a shock.

Sadly missed opportunity for sarcasm.
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Re: Depleted Uranium, Floridated Water, and Bisphenol Food Wrapping

2006-04-23 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 22 Apr 2006 at 16:22, The Fool wrote:

 osteosarcoma, a bone cancer that strikes about 400 children nationally
 each year. 

Right. Osteosarcoma is actually one of the more common bone cancers 
for children, (the other being Ewing's sarcoma). (Yes, overall 
incidence is low).

There was no link with the actual DATA in the origional post you 
provided.
 
 Harvard officials would not release an advance copy of the article, but
 a Wall Street Journal story said it will show that boys who drank water
 with approximately 0.3 to 0.99 milligrams per liter had *five times*
 the risk of osteosarcoma as boys drinking nonfluoridated water. 

And there are clear benefits in studies... In terms of preventing 
dental issues and beyond. Also, a significant minority of water 
supplies in the UK are naturally flouride-containing.

See the York revirew: http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/crd/fluorid.htm

 In late March, a National Academy of Sciences panel concluded that the
 maximum amount allowed by the federal government -- 4 milligrams per
 liter of water -- puts children at risk for developing mottled, pitted
 teeth and can weaken bones over a lifetime, making fractures more
 likely. 

The maximum considered-safe level here is 1ppm.

AndrewC
Dawn Falcon

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Re: Depleted Uranium, Floridated Water, and Bisphenol Food Wrapping

2006-04-22 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 19 Apr 2006 at 17:42, The Fool wrote:

 http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=133828
 
 Young boys who drink fluoridated tap water are at greater risk for a
 rare bone cancer, Harvard researchers reported yesterday. 

Yes, how much more. If it's 2 in 10 million compared to 1 in 10 
million, then it's certainly significant, but adding it to water 
could still be overall beneficial.

 Stearns' research, published in the journals Mutagenesis and Molecular
 Carcinogenesis, confirms what many have suspected for some time - that
 uranium can damage DNA as a heavy metal, independently of its
 radioactive properties. 

Yes, really not a shock.

Dawn Falcon

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Re: Depleted Uranium, Floridated Water, and Bisphenol Food Wrapping

2006-04-22 Thread The Fool
 From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 On 19 Apr 2006 at 17:42, The Fool wrote:
 
 
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=133828
  
  Young boys who drink fluoridated tap water are at greater risk for
a
  rare bone cancer, Harvard researchers reported yesterday. 
 
 Yes, how much more. If it's 2 in 10 million compared to 1 in 10 
 million, then it's certainly significant, but adding it to water 
 could still be overall beneficial.

From the article: 

That student, Dr. Elise Bassin, wrote in yesterday's __Cancer Causes
and Control__ that boys who drink water with levels of fluoride
considered safe by federal guidlines are *five times* more likely to
develop osteosarcoma than boys who drink unfluoridated water.

Since that article is no longer available:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060401/NEW
S01/604010368

osteosarcoma, a bone cancer that strikes about 400 children nationally
each year. 

The study on osteosarcoma, which did look at fluoride at those levels,
is expected to be published in __Cancer Causes and Control__, the
official journal of the Harvard Center for Cancer Prevention. 

Harvard officials would not release an advance copy of the article, but
a Wall Street Journal story said it will show that boys who drank water
with approximately 0.3 to 0.99 milligrams per liter had *five times*
the risk of osteosarcoma as boys drinking nonfluoridated water. 

This is not the first study to suggest such a connection. According to
the National Cancer Institute, a federal study in 1990 showed an
increased number of bone tumors in male rats given water high in
fluoride for two years. 
And in 2001, a Harvard doctoral student reported in her thesis that
boys drinking fluoridated water seem to have a higher risk of bone
cancer. 

...

In late March, a National Academy of Sciences panel concluded that the
maximum amount allowed by the federal government -- 4 milligrams per
liter of water -- puts children at risk for developing mottled, pitted
teeth and can weaken bones over a lifetime, making fractures more
likely. 

In light of possible health risks, the national science panel has
recommended that the maximum allowable fluoride level should be
lowered. 

The panel said about 10 percent of children in places with
water-fluoride concentrations at or close to 4 milligrams per liter
develop severe tooth problems. The panel also cited studies showing a
higher risk of bone fracture in people exposed to concentrations of 4
milligrams per liter or higher. 

--
Is it too much to ask that people RTFA?  Or should I go back to posting
entire articles for the illiterate?

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Re: Depleted Uranium, Floridated Water, and Bisphenol Food Wrapping

2006-04-20 Thread bemmzim
 
 
-Original Message-
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Z_Brin brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:42:58 -0500
Subject: Depleted Uranium, Floridated Water, and Bisphenol Food Wrapping


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C8122-1596301%2C00.html

Food wrap linked to prostate cancer by Jonathan Leake, Science Editor   

A CHEMICAL used to make food wrapping and line tin cans could be the
cause of surging prostate cancer rates in men, says a study.  Bisphenol
A is widely used in the food industry to make polycarbonate drinks
bottles and the resins used to line tin cans, even though it is known
to leach into food and has long been suspected of disrupting human sex
hormones.   

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http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=133828

Young boys who drink fluoridated tap water are at greater risk for a
rare bone cancer, Harvard researchers reported yesterday. 

The study, published online yesterday in a Harvard-affiliated journal,
could intensify debate over fluoridation and mean more scrutiny for
Harvard’s Dr. Chester Douglass, accused of fudging the findings to
downplay a cancer link. 

“It’s the best piece of work ever linking fluoride in tap water and
bone cancer. It’s pretty damning for (Douglass),” said Richard Wiles of
the Environmental Working Group, which filed a complaint with the
National Institutes of Health against Douglass. 

Douglass, an epidemiology professor at Harvard’s School of Dental
Medicine, is paid as editor of the Colgate Oral Care Report, a
newsletter supported by the toothpaste maker. 
 
What harvard affiliated journal is this? Kind of suspicious when the name of 
the journal and/or the precise citation is not mentioned.

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http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20060307010324data_trunc_sys.shtml

Now however, Northern Arizona University biochemist Diane Stearns has
established that when cells are exposed to uranium, the uranium binds
to DNA and the cells acquire mutations, triggering a whole slew of
protein replication errors, some of which can lead to various cancers.
Stearns' research, published in the journals Mutagenesis and Molecular
Carcinogenesis, confirms what many have suspected for some time - that
uranium can damage DNA as a heavy metal, independently of its
radioactive properties. 


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Re: Depleted Uranium, Floridated Water, and Bisphenol Food Wrapping

2006-04-20 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 07:40 PM Thursday 4/20/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



-Original Message-
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Z_Brin brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:42:58 -0500
Subject: Depleted Uranium, Floridated Water, and Bisphenol Food Wrapping

[snip]

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http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=133828

Young boys who drink fluoridated tap water are at greater risk for a
rare bone cancer, Harvard researchers reported yesterday.

The study, published online yesterday in a Harvard-affiliated journal,
could intensify debate over fluoridation and mean more scrutiny for
Harvard’s Dr. Chester Douglass, accused of fudging the findings to
downplay a cancer link.

“It’s the best piece of work ever linking fluoride in tap water and
bone cancer. It’s pretty damning for (Douglass),” said Richard Wiles of
the Environmental Working Group, which filed a complaint with the
National Institutes of Health against Douglass.

Douglass, an epidemiology professor at Harvard’s School of Dental
Medicine, is paid as editor of the Colgate Oral Care Report, a
newsletter supported by the toothpaste maker.

What harvard affiliated journal is this? Kind of 
suspicious when the name of the journal and/or 
the precise citation is not mentioned.



After all, one could make a claim that the 
_Harvard Lampoon_ is a Harvard-affiliated journal . . .



--Ronn!  :)

Since I was a small boy, two states have been 
added to our country and two words have been 
added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that 
is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too?

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: Depleted Uranium, Floridated Water, and Bisphenol Food Wrapping

2006-04-20 Thread The Fool
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
 
-Original Message-
From: The Fool


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http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=133828

Young boys who drink fluoridated tap water are at greater risk for a
rare bone cancer, Harvard researchers reported yesterday. 

The study, published online yesterday in a Harvard-affiliated journal,
could intensify debate over fluoridation and mean more scrutiny for
Harvard’s Dr. Chester Douglass, accused of fudging the findings to
downplay a cancer link. 

“It’s the best piece of work ever linking fluoride in tap water and
bone cancer. It’s pretty damning for (Douglass),” said Richard
Wiles of
the Environmental Working Group, which filed a complaint with the
National Institutes of Health against Douglass. 

Douglass, an epidemiology professor at Harvard’s School of Dental
Medicine, is paid as editor of the Colgate Oral Care Report, a
newsletter supported by the toothpaste maker. 
 
--

What harvard affiliated journal is this? Kind of suspicious when the
name of the journal and/or the precise citation is not mentioned.

--

bzzzt.

RTFA:

That student, Dr. Elise Bassin, wrote in yesterday’s __Cancer Causes
and Control__ that boys who drink water with levels of fluoride
considered safe by federal guidlines are five times more likely to
develop osteosarcoma than boys who drink unfluoridated water. 

Which I assume is this:

http://www.ovid.com/site/catalog/Journal/1462.jsp


You're the doctor, and yet I read and write better than you do.  Hmmm.
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