RE: Underwater mortgages and the economy (Dan Minette)

2010-11-02 Thread Dan Minette


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Subject: Re: Underwater mortgages and the economy (Dan Minette)

Keith  wrote:

 Unfortunately I have no ideas about how to get this going, at least
 not in the US.  I think a rule change favoring longer term investments
 in physical plant will be needed before anyone will consider any such
 ideas.

It needs to be recognized as a matter of national security.

I hate to say it, but I would put this type of spending in with the vast
amount of money put into 5th generation computers by the Japanese, which
helped trigger their lost two decades.  

This is not a black swan type of new technology that comes out of nowhere,
where costs come down a factor of two every year or two, etc.  Its old
technology, long promised as just around the corner.  It will be very good
at providing electricity in small amounts at high prices.  IMHO, the long
history of these two ventures put this as a cross between the cost
effectiveness of solar power and the space shuttle.

Dan M.


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RE: Underwater mortgages and the economy (Dan Minette)

2010-11-01 Thread Keith Henson
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:00 AM,   Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote:

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 Third, to get out of this, the US needs a positive black swan to change all
 the rules again.  This will soak up investment capitol, with a real return
 on investment, because wealth will be created.  Until it comes, we're
 treading water.

I know about two positive black swans.  However the first one (power
satellites through cheap lift to GEO) is only being discussed in
China, and the second one (StartoSolar) will probably go that way as
well.

It looks like StratoSolar could sell electric power at 1-2 cents per
kWh and (under the current price for renewable solar power) pay back
the expense of building one in as little as two years.

Unfortunately I have no ideas about how to get this going, at least
not in the US.  I think a rule change favoring longer term investments
in physical plant will be needed before anyone will consider any such
ideas.

Keith

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Re: Underwater mortgages and the economy (Dan Minette)

2010-11-01 Thread Doug Pensinger
Keith  wrote:

 Unfortunately I have no ideas about how to get this going, at least
 not in the US.  I think a rule change favoring longer term investments
 in physical plant will be needed before anyone will consider any such
 ideas.

It needs to be recognized as a matter of national security.
Unfortunately, it seems like the right wing would rather see the
country go down in flames than give Obama any kind of victory.

Doug
Sanity and/or Fear

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