Re: [casper] Red Hat Enterprise Linux--is it needed?

2018-08-02 Thread James Smith
Hello Jonathan,

For what it's worth, I used to run CentOS - I forget which version now. It
worked just fine, possibly a little bit better than Ubuntu subsequently
works, but that was subjective and I don't have any hard facts to back that
up.

But when I needed to change computers, and start from scratch again, I
decided just to go with what everyone else was using.

RHEL-based distros might work better than Ubuntu, but Ubuntu seems to work
just fine. And since most everyone uses it, it's easier to debug.

Regards,
James


On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 5:58 PM, Jonathan Weintroub <
jweintr...@cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Dear Heystek, Adam, and James,
>
> Thanks very much for the feedback.
>
> It would seem I am correctly reading the zeitgeist, Ubuntu does seem to be
> strongly favored, and, indeed, now seems to be the only recommended Linux
> given by CASPER per the draft tools page set up by Brian and Jack.
>
> So I think I am well justified in letting my RHEL support lapse, and move
> forward with the CASPER recommended Linux.
>
> My pointed nature requires me to state that it is still true that Ubuntu
> is not the primary recommendation Xilinx makes, certainly not for ISE
> 14.7.  The tool flow leaders of CASPER are experts, so I am not going to
> worry about this, still, I recall responses on the mailing list mildly
> scolding various people seeing bugs for not strictly adhering to Xilinx
> recommendations.  Anyhow, there it is.
>
> Thanks very much for the responses to this, and for the hard work, at the
> current workshop/busy weeks, to make new and up to date tool flow
> documentation.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Weintroub
>
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 2018, at 3:50 AM, Heystek Grobler 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Jonathan
> >
> > I am running two setups.
> >
> > The first one is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS with Xilinx ISE 14.7 and Matlab 2012b
> > and it is running well.
> >
> > The second setup is Debian 8.9(Debian Jessie) with Xilinx ISE 14.7 and
> > Matlab 2012b. It took a while for matlab to work properly on Debian.
> There
> > was a few conflicts between Debians AWK and Matlabs AWK. After sorting
> out
> > the AWK issue, the system run perfectly.
> >
> > Have a great day
> >
> > Heystek
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Hi Jonathan and others,
> >>
> >> Check out our new documentation toolflow link hosted in ReadtheDocs
> thanks
> >> to Brian Bradford and Jack Hickish - we are currently using this for the
> >> hardware porting workshop running this week. Great job guys! :).
> >>
> >> https://casper-toolflow.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html
> >>
> >> https://casper-toolflow.readthedocs.io/
> >>
> >> All the documentation concerning mlib_devel, tutorials and very soon
> >> casperfpga will be hosted here. The hardware is still in the gthub wiki.
> >> Check out our new website thanks to Jack:
> >>
> >> http://casper-dsp.org
> >>
> >> The old Berkeley wiki will still stay active for now.
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Adam Isaacson
> >> South African Radio Astronomy Observatory (SARAO)
> >> Hardware Manager
> >> Cell: (+27) 825639602
> >> Tel:  (+27) 215067300
> >> email: aisaac...@ska.ac.za
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Jonathan Weintroub <
> >> jweintr...@cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Folks,
> >>>
> >>> Forgive me for raising an old chestnut of a question, because things
> >>> seem
> >>> to have evolved.
> >>>
> >>> A long time ago, when we first migrated from Windows to Linux tool
> >>> flows,
> >>> back in the ISE/EDK/ROACH days, I recall learning that RHEL (6 at the
> >>> time,
> >>> I think) was essential, because Xilinx ruled that that was the only
> >>> compatible Linux variant.
> >>>
> >>> My subjective observations lead me to think that many people use
> Ubuntu,
> >>> and other Linux's, for example CENTOS, for CASPER design.
> >>>
> >>> I can still find some references that RHEL is the only OS for ISE-based
> >>> design.
> >>>
> >>> But, for example, here:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/sw_manuals/xili
> >>> nx2018_2/ug973-vivado-release-notes-install-license.pdf
> >>>
> >>> it would seem Ubuntu is officially blessed for Vivado—see page 11.
> >>> Mind
> >>> you, if you scroll down to page 13, it would appear Xilinx doesn’t
> >>> think
> >>> Ubuntu works with Matlab/Simulink as a third party tool.
> >>>
> >>> Once again, the RHEL reseller is bugging me to renew my support—I
> >>> really
> >>> hate maintaining licenses, by the way. I thought I’d poll collective
> >>> wisdom
> >>> before I respond, maybe we can just ditch RHEL?
> >>>
> >>> From a practical perspective is Ubuntu working for people?
> >
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Re: [casper] Red Hat Enterprise Linux--is it needed?

2018-08-02 Thread Jonathan Weintroub
Dear Heystek, Adam, and James,

Thanks very much for the feedback.

It would seem I am correctly reading the zeitgeist, Ubuntu does seem to be 
strongly favored, and, indeed, now seems to be the only recommended Linux given 
by CASPER per the draft tools page set up by Brian and Jack.

So I think I am well justified in letting my RHEL support lapse, and move 
forward with the CASPER recommended Linux.

My pointed nature requires me to state that it is still true that Ubuntu is not 
the primary recommendation Xilinx makes, certainly not for ISE 14.7.  The tool 
flow leaders of CASPER are experts, so I am not going to worry about this, 
still, I recall responses on the mailing list mildly scolding various people 
seeing bugs for not strictly adhering to Xilinx recommendations.  Anyhow, there 
it is.

Thanks very much for the responses to this, and for the hard work, at the 
current workshop/busy weeks, to make new and up to date tool flow documentation.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Weintroub



> On Aug 1, 2018, at 3:50 AM, Heystek Grobler  wrote:
> 
> Hey Jonathan
> 
> I am running two setups.
> 
> The first one is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS with Xilinx ISE 14.7 and Matlab 2012b
> and it is running well.
> 
> The second setup is Debian 8.9(Debian Jessie) with Xilinx ISE 14.7 and
> Matlab 2012b. It took a while for matlab to work properly on Debian. There
> was a few conflicts between Debians AWK and Matlabs AWK. After sorting out
> the AWK issue, the system run perfectly.
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Heystek
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Hi Jonathan and others,
>> 
>> Check out our new documentation toolflow link hosted in ReadtheDocs thanks
>> to Brian Bradford and Jack Hickish - we are currently using this for the
>> hardware porting workshop running this week. Great job guys! :).
>> 
>> https://casper-toolflow.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html
>> 
>> https://casper-toolflow.readthedocs.io/
>> 
>> All the documentation concerning mlib_devel, tutorials and very soon
>> casperfpga will be hosted here. The hardware is still in the gthub wiki.
>> Check out our new website thanks to Jack:
>> 
>> http://casper-dsp.org
>> 
>> The old Berkeley wiki will still stay active for now.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Adam Isaacson
>> South African Radio Astronomy Observatory (SARAO)
>> Hardware Manager
>> Cell: (+27) 825639602
>> Tel:  (+27) 215067300
>> email: aisaac...@ska.ac.za
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Jonathan Weintroub <
>> jweintr...@cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> Forgive me for raising an old chestnut of a question, because things
>>> seem
>>> to have evolved.
>>> 
>>> A long time ago, when we first migrated from Windows to Linux tool
>>> flows,
>>> back in the ISE/EDK/ROACH days, I recall learning that RHEL (6 at the
>>> time,
>>> I think) was essential, because Xilinx ruled that that was the only
>>> compatible Linux variant.
>>> 
>>> My subjective observations lead me to think that many people use Ubuntu,
>>> and other Linux's, for example CENTOS, for CASPER design.
>>> 
>>> I can still find some references that RHEL is the only OS for ISE-based
>>> design.
>>> 
>>> But, for example, here:
>>> 
>>> https://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/sw_manuals/xili
>>> nx2018_2/ug973-vivado-release-notes-install-license.pdf
>>> 
>>> it would seem Ubuntu is officially blessed for Vivado—see page 11.
>>> Mind
>>> you, if you scroll down to page 13, it would appear Xilinx doesn’t
>>> think
>>> Ubuntu works with Matlab/Simulink as a third party tool.
>>> 
>>> Once again, the RHEL reseller is bugging me to renew my support—I
>>> really
>>> hate maintaining licenses, by the way. I thought I’d poll collective
>>> wisdom
>>> before I respond, maybe we can just ditch RHEL?
>>> 
>>> From a practical perspective is Ubuntu working for people?
> 
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