Re: [vote] 0.4.0 beta 1
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Jonathan Ellisjbel...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:41 AM, ant elderantel...@apache.org wrote: Its common to have nightly builds. Its common do beta's that have been voted on by a PMC. Those are quite different to a someone creating something called 0.4.0 beta 1 and advertising that to users as an unofficial release. Whats the problem following the ASF release procedures and letting the PMC vote on the artifacts before they're released? Even if nothing else it would help with graduation to show that happening. In my mind this beta will be relevant for about a week, at which point we'd have another beta or an RC with a lot of bug fixes. If we go from waiting hours for the committers to waiting 3 days for the PMC, that's half its expected lifetime. In other words I see this as closer to a glorified nightly than An Official Release. -Jonathan Ok I wonder if this is just misunderstandings based on naming and conventions. Could what you're calling here as an unofficial beta release be the same as what other ASF projects might name a release candidate? Is the 0.4.0 beta 1 just for other devs to review? If so you probably don't need a vote. Also, whats the difference between this and the latest Hudson nightly build? ...ant
Re: [vote] 0.4.0 beta 1
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:20 AM, ant elderantel...@apache.org wrote: Ok I wonder if this is just misunderstandings based on naming and conventions. Could what you're calling here as an unofficial beta release be the same as what other ASF projects might name a release candidate? Is the 0.4.0 beta 1 just for other devs to review? This is to get the feedback of people who are not routinely building from svn, call them what you will. (In my mind anyone who is not building from svn is not really a dev, but if you want to include people who file bug reports in that category, fine.) If so you probably don't need a vote. Also, whats the difference between this and the latest Hudson nightly build? This would be a nightly that is considered unlikely to blow up in your face _too_ obviously, which is not the case for all nightlies. If the nightlies were archived I would be fine saying if you want to test, use the nightly from 8-11 (guess we're up to at least 8-13 now); it's relatively stable. But they are not. -Jonathan
Re: [vote] 0.4.0 beta 1
+1 great work jonathan! On 11/08/2009, at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Ellis wrote: Hi all, Cassandra 0.4 is feature complete based on the roadmap I suggested a few weeks ago. We also have a mostly-empty issue tracker for 0.4. (https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=truemode=hidesorter/order=DESCsorter/field=priorityresolution=-1pid=12310865fixfor=12313862 ) I propose releasing an unofficial 0.4.0 beta based on current trunk to signal that our api is stable, our disk format is stable, and we're ready to get a wider group testing this. +1 (binding) from me. -Jonathan -- Ian Holsman i...@holsman.net
Re: [vote] 0.4.0 beta 1
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Jonathan Ellisjbel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Cassandra 0.4 is feature complete based on the roadmap I suggested a few weeks ago. We also have a mostly-empty issue tracker for 0.4. (https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=truemode=hidesorter/order=DESCsorter/field=priorityresolution=-1pid=12310865fixfor=12313862) I propose releasing an unofficial 0.4.0 beta based on current trunk to signal that our api is stable, our disk format is stable, and we're ready to get a wider group testing this. +1 (binding) from me. -Jonathan What do you mean by an unofficial release? A release needs follow the ASF release procedures and be voted on so needs svn tags, and distributions to review etc right? ...ant
Re: [vote] 0.4.0 beta 1
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:49 AM, ant elderant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Jonathan Ellisjbel...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by an unofficial release? A release needs follow the ASF release procedures and be voted on so needs svn tags, and distributions to review etc right? I mean that I will put a tarball up in my personal space for people to test but it will not go through the full mentor gauntlet nor will it be recommended for more than temporary use. There was a long discussion about this back in May in the Cassandra 0.3 RC is out thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-cassandra-dev/200905.mbox/browser My impression was that the consensus from the mentors, including Matthieu and Bertrand, was that it's both okay and common to do nightly builds or betas like this, as long as it's not implied that these are Official ASF Releases. -Jonathan
Re: [vote] 0.4.0 beta 1
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Jonathan Ellisjbel...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:49 AM, ant elderant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Jonathan Ellisjbel...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by an unofficial release? A release needs follow the ASF release procedures and be voted on so needs svn tags, and distributions to review etc right? I mean that I will put a tarball up in my personal space for people to test but it will not go through the full mentor gauntlet nor will it be recommended for more than temporary use. There was a long discussion about this back in May in the Cassandra 0.3 RC is out thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-cassandra-dev/200905.mbox/browser My impression was that the consensus from the mentors, including Matthieu and Bertrand, was that it's both okay and common to do nightly builds or betas like this, as long as it's not implied that these are Official ASF Releases. -Jonathan Its common to have nightly builds. Its common do beta's that have been voted on by a PMC. Those are quite different to a someone creating something called 0.4.0 beta 1 and advertising that to users as an unofficial release. Whats the problem following the ASF release procedures and letting the PMC vote on the artifacts before they're released? Even if nothing else it would help with graduation to show that happening. ...ant
Re: [vote] 0.4.0 beta 1
+1 from me as well On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Jun Raojun...@almaden.ibm.com wrote: +1 for getting the beta out. Jun IBM Almaden Research Center K55/B1, 650 Harry Road, San Jose, CA 95120-6099 jun...@almaden.ibm.com Jonathan Ellis ---08/11/2009 01:45:33 PM---Hi all, Cassandra 0.4 is feature complete based on the roadmap I suggested a From: Jonathan Ellis jbel...@gmail.com To: cassandra-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: 08/11/2009 01:45 PM Subject: [vote] 0.4.0 beta 1 Hi all, Cassandra 0.4 is feature complete based on the roadmap I suggested a few weeks ago. We also have a mostly-empty issue tracker for 0.4. (https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=truemode=hidesorter/order=DESCsorter/field=priorityresolution=-1pid=12310865fixfor=12313862) I propose releasing an unofficial 0.4.0 beta based on current trunk to signal that our api is stable, our disk format is stable, and we're ready to get a wider group testing this. +1 (binding) from me. -Jonathan
