Re: [Catalyst] New website using Catalyst
On Aug 22, 2007, at 2:42 AM, Rob Clarke wrote: This is a really slick looking site. I'd also be interested in how you implemented forms. It is nice. I'm interested in how you did your sharing stuff. The digg this, stumbled it, etc. Was it Perl-centric, CPAN, straight cut and paste XHTML, or something from the YUI stuff? If you can, please share. -Ashley ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] New website using Catalyst
Hi, It's a very attractive site! Wonderful. What things did you use YUI for? Matt R. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] CMS
Catalyst makes it easy to build a site with lots of little modules of content composing a single page - the actual content (words/images) being scattered in static apache directories, the database, the templates folders and the code. At some point a content management system of some type is needed. While I hand-roll this sort of thing now it might be nice to have a standard module with perhaps a rich editor and HTML form, or it might be more powerful with the ability to manage various stories/images on disk or db, and integrate uploads even, like some of the portal building systems do. Perhaps one integrated well with Catalyst could also allow the user to select template files to use in a given part of the screen to replace not just on a story basis but on a div basis. I'd just like to ask if anyone uses a CMS (beyond just hand-rolling for each instance) or has been seeing similar needs. I think much development time is spent on creating object management interfaces which perhaps could be boiled down to some repetitive functionality. Matt Rosin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] C::P::Scheduler
Hi, I'm trying to use the plugin to run a cron job by adding this to the myapp.pm : __PACKAGE__-schedule( at= '0 * * * *', event = '/email/checkemail', auto_run = 1, ); This suppose to set the process checkemail run every hour, but it does nothing at all. I am not sure whether I have put those line in the wrong place, or something else I have to do. Do I need to have a Schedule.yml file (this is only an option according to the doc)? Someone has done this, please give me some instruction. And if I want to run the process more often, like every 15 min, how could I modify the value, if possible. Thank you - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] C::P::Scheduler
Am Do, 23.08.2007, 14:45, schrieb Will Smith: Hi, I'm trying to use the plugin to run a cron job by adding this to the myapp.pm : __PACKAGE__-schedule( at= '0 * * * *', event = '/email/checkemail', auto_run = 1, ); This suppose to set the process checkemail run every hour, but it does nothing at all. I am not sure whether I have put those line in the wrong place, or something else I have to do. Do I need to have a Schedule.yml file (this is only an option according to the doc)? Someone has done this, please give me some instruction. And if I want to run the process more often, like every 15 min, how could I modify the value, if possible. Thank you This is from the C::P::Scheduler perldoc: Events will run during the first request which meets or exceeds the specified time. The event to run at the specified time can be either a Catalyst private action path or a coderef. Have you performed a request after the hour has passed? Is '/email/checkemail' a private action? Have you RTFM? regards, Jürgen ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
Hi. This is quite off-topic related to Catalyst but my googling didn't reveal anything. Has anyone seen stuff like a Messages Queue (I dont have other words for it) But a more generic implementation of a thing where you can put in messages and pick them out in some other part of the program. It would be nice when you have stuff that takes longer that people usually can wait for. Jesper -- Jesper Krogh ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] CMS
On 8/23/07, Matt Rosin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Catalyst makes it easy to build a site with lots of little modules of content composing a single page - the actual content (words/images) being scattered in static apache directories, the database, the templates folders and the code. At some point a content management system of some type is needed. Next year I will have a need for a CMS that: - multi-user - tracks changes - allows previewing - is perl - doesn't impose a templating system - extensible - is open source - works with my cat site I'd just like to ask if anyone uses a CMS (beyond just hand-rolling for each instance) or has been seeing similar needs. I think much development time is spent on creating object management interfaces which perhaps could be boiled down to some repetitive functionality. I've not even looked at my options yet. I just know I'm going to need one. I don't know that I need a 'CMS', as most of them seem to have too many damned features. What I really want is a multi-user template editor with change tracking, and a cat app that can talk to same... so that the app can run in 'preview' mode. That just gave me an idea... -- Cory 'G' Watson http://www.onemogin.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Storing $c leaks memory?
Tobias Kremer wrote: While hunting down some memory leaks in my application I found that it's generally a bad idea to store $c in a class as this never gets cleared up completely, is that correct? I'd wager circular reference issue. Take a look into ACCEPT_CONTEXT controller. In short, if you're going to store a copy of $c in your classes, weaken them first using Scalar::Util::weaken Of course, I could be full of it. :-) -=Chris signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
RE: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
Database table? -Alex -Original Message- From: Jesper Krogh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; catalyst@lists.rawmode.org@shrek.krogh.cc Subject: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue? Hi. This is quite off-topic related to Catalyst but my googling didn't reveal anything. Has anyone seen stuff like a Messages Queue (I dont have other words for it) But a more generic implementation of a thing where you can put in messages and pick them out in some other part of the program. It would be nice when you have stuff that takes longer that people usually can wait for. Jesper -- Jesper Krogh ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Storing $c leaks memory?
While hunting down some memory leaks in my application I found that it's
generally a bad idea to store $c in a class as this never gets cleared up
completely, is that correct?
I'm also doing things like this which seem to cause major leaks:
$foo-bar( coderef = sub { return $c-forward( '/someaction' ) } );
While I can imagine that a closure like that can cause trouble I don't see why
the following is leaking memory, too:
in a Controller:
my $foo = Foo-new( $c );
in Foo.pm:
sub new {
my( $class, $c ) = @_;
my $self = {};
$self-{ '_c' } = $c;
bless $self, $class;
}
Maybe somebody can shed some light on this?! Is it possible (and sensible) to
weaken $c before storing it?
Thanks a lot!
--Tobias
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Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
Has anyone seen stuff like a Messages Queue (I dont have other words for it) But a more generic implementation of a thing where you can put in messages and pick them out in some other part of the program. It would be nice when you have stuff that takes longer that people usually can wait for. Maybe TheSchwartz does what you want: http://search.cpan.org/dist/TheSchwartz/ --Tobias ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
Don't use a DB as the backing store for a message queue if you will ever need to pass a lot of messages thought it - you're just asking for trouble doing it that way. Hartmaier Alexander wrote: Database table? -Alex -Original Message- From: Jesper Krogh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; catalyst@lists.rawmode.org@shrek.krogh.cc Subject: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue? Hi. This is quite off-topic related to Catalyst but my googling didn't reveal anything. Has anyone seen stuff like a Messages Queue (I dont have other words for it) But a more generic implementation of a thing where you can put in messages and pick them out in some other part of the program. It would be nice when you have stuff that takes longer that people usually can wait for. Jesper -- Jesper Krogh ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] CMS
Cory Watson wrote: Next year I will have a need for a CMS that: - multi-user - tracks changes - allows previewing - is perl - doesn't impose a templating system - extensible - is open source - works with my cat site If you want sledgehammers, Bricolage and Krang are probably the beefiest ones you can find :-) www.bricolage.cc www.krangcms.com They'll do all that you want (less perhaps a certain amount of flexibility in the templating dept) but could well be overkill. I'm not aware of any lighter tools but would be very happy to find one. Simon. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
Don't use a DB as the backing store for a message queue if you will ever need to pass a lot of messages thought it - you're just asking for trouble doing it that way. Getting way off topic but, understanding the kind of trouble one can get into using a DB to store messages, how else can one ensure data is always recoverable should the app bomb out? ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
Just use something like Amazon's SQS and worry not. On 8/23/07, Mark Knoop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't use a DB as the backing store for a message queue if you will ever need to pass a lot of messages thought it - you're just asking for trouble doing it that way. Getting way off topic but, understanding the kind of trouble one can get into using a DB to store messages, how else can one ensure data is always recoverable should the app bomb out? ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Re: [Catalyst-dev] Re: Patches for Catalyst::Plugin::ConfigLoader, Config::All and Config::All::General
Hey All,
Config::Any 0.08 and Catalyst::Plugin::ConfigLoader 0.16 have hit the
CPAN. Changes:
Config::Any:
0.08 Thu Aug 23 2007
pass config options to each parser
fix for loading the same perl config twice (RT #28812)
Catalyst::Plugin::ConfigLoader:
0.16 Thu Aug 23 2007
- separated out the macro expansion code into config_substitutions()
(Jason Kohles)
- allow users to specify their own macros in
MyApp-config-{ substitutions } (Johnathan Rockway)
- pass special constructor arguments to Config::Any. Requires
Config::Any
0.08 (Gareth Kirwan)
[DEPRECATION NOTICE]
- the file and config_local_suffix config keys are now to be
explicitly
set under the Plugin::ConfigLoader key. Support for these keys
will be
removed in the next release.
[THINGS THAT MAY BREAK YOUR CODE]
- use Catalyst::Utils::env_value() to get $ENV values. This means that
MYAPP_* is of higher precedence than CATALYST_* -- this differs from
the behavior of older releases.
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Re: [Catalyst] CMS
On 8/23/07, Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want sledgehammers, Bricolage and Krang are probably the beefiest ones you can find :-) www.bricolage.cc www.krangcms.com Bricolage I was aware of, but krang is new to me. They'll do all that you want (less perhaps a certain amount of flexibility in the templating dept) but could well be overkill. What I (think) I'm after is an RCS-like system for the templates with a view in Cat that knows how to retrieve the current template(s). So the user edits, creating their own versions, then hits the site with arguments that tell the view to get that user's edits over HEAD. So perhaps I'll look ino creating the former, then using something like the TT DBIC provider (which I'm not sure I ever got working right) to get HEAD. I'm not aware of any lighter tools but would be very happy to find one. I'll keep the list posted... -- Cory 'G' Watson http://www.onemogin.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
On 8/23/07, Mark Knoop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't use a DB as the backing store for a message queue if you will ever need to pass a lot of messages thought it - you're just asking for trouble doing it that way. Getting way off topic but, understanding the kind of trouble one can get into using a DB to store messages, how else can one ensure data is always recoverable should the app bomb out? That's why one normally doesn't implement a message queue from scratch, but instead uses an off the shelf one (same deal as databases). Message queueing systems vary (again, much like databases) in what features they support. Reliable messaging transactions, or just best effort? Local-only, or networked? Disk-backed, or memory-only (are messages lost if they machine randomly reboots)? Single-hop messaging events, or does the system actually track larger-scale transactions that encompass several different queued messages between different components over time? If transactional, does it integrate with your database's transaction system? Can messages only have one receiver, or can they be multicast/broadcast? To give some idea, here's a couple of common products in the commercial world: IBM's MQSeries (now called WebSphere MQ) http://www-306.ibm.com/software/integration/wmq/features/ BEA MessageQ: http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=index.htmFP=/content/products/more/messageq If you search CPAN Distributions for the word Queue, you get 35 hits that range all over the feature map for a queuing system, including interfaces to some of the commercial systems. -- Brandon ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] CMS
Cory Watson wrote: On 8/23/07, Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want sledgehammers, Bricolage and Krang are probably the beefiest ones you can find :-) www.bricolage.cc www.krangcms.com Bricolage I was aware of, but krang is new to me. I had sent a note to one of the people listed on the Krang site. I was interested in it a while ago as well. I would like to get/use a Cat-based CMS. Unfortunately, I don't have time/resources to write one. -- joe ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
RE: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
To give some idea, here's a couple of common products in the commercial world: IBM's MQSeries (now called WebSphere MQ) http://www-306.ibm.com/software/integration/wmq/features/ BEA MessageQ: http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=index.htmFP=/content/products/mor e/messageq If you search CPAN Distributions for the word Queue, you get 35 hits that range all over the feature map for a queuing system, including interfaces to some of the commercial systems. There's also Simple Queue Service offered by Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Queue-Service-home-page/b/ref=sc_fe_l_2/105-3926606-9085228?ie=UTF8node=13584001no=342430011me=A36L942TSJ2AJA ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Re: CMS
Incidentally the dev site does list something called EasyCMS but I read somewhere that it is defunct and won't work with current version of Catalyst. Obviously lots of people have thought about this.. Matt Rosin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
RE: [BULK] - [Catalyst] CMS
I have used Joomla in the past for a fairly busy community website I run on the side. When I first learned about Catalyst first thing I did was look for what cool CMS was created using it. Unfortunately I didn't find anything ready to go live. I definitely think we need one but for it to actually be effective and actually get done it shouldn't be over engineered. I would really like to see a good skeleton of a CMS that gets a lot of the annoying stuff taken care of and allows for full customization. I probably can't do too much development on it but I can help out with the specs, features, wireframes, and roadmap if needed. Another thing I think is missing from our community is a good catalyst based forum software. We need this pretty bad in my opinion because I hate using the other ones out there. Especially since every week there is a new vulnerability in each one. A good forum and a good CMS will probably come very handy for us. I know django framework has its own CMS and admin tool built in. Haven't used it but the idea its built in is very cool. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq Security Researcher II Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: Matt Rosin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:28 AM To: catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Subject: [BULK] - [Catalyst] CMS Catalyst makes it easy to build a site with lots of little modules of content composing a single page - the actual content (words/images) being scattered in static apache directories, the database, the templates folders and the code. At some point a content management system of some type is needed. While I hand-roll this sort of thing now it might be nice to have a standard module with perhaps a rich editor and HTML form, or it might be more powerful with the ability to manage various stories/images on disk or db, and integrate uploads even, like some of the portal building systems do. Perhaps one integrated well with Catalyst could also allow the user to select template files to use in a given part of the screen to replace not just on a story basis but on a div basis. I'd just like to ask if anyone uses a CMS (beyond just hand-rolling for each instance) or has been seeing similar needs. I think much development time is spent on creating object management interfaces which perhaps could be boiled down to some repetitive functionality. Matt Rosin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] CMS
On 8/23/07, Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want sledgehammers, Bricolage and Krang are probably the beefiest ones you can find :-) www.bricolage.cc www.krangcms.com Don't forget www.webgui.org. One thing about Bricolage, Krang and WebGUI, is that none of them are Catalyst-based. Sometimes this isn't an issue and sometimes it is. For while I've been thinking it would be nice to have a Cat-based CMS with multiple features built on top of a platform. The platform can include basic things like Authn, Authz, Sessions, a basic user schema and pre-built HTML. The pre-built HTML can include controllers/templates/etc for registration, login/logout, openid, etc. Then on top of the platform you can have plug-and-play features like forums, blogs, photo galleries, surveys etc. If it was built the right way, you could have your choice of forums, etc. You can also only load the features that you want. I'm not sure how easy this would be to do but I think it would be neat. -- John Wang http://www.dev411.com/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] CMS
On 8/23/07, John Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For while I've been thinking it would be nice to have a Cat-based CMS with multiple features built on top of a platform. The platform can include basic things like Authn, Authz, Sessions, a basic user schema and pre-built HTML. The pre-built HTML can include controllers/templates/etc for registration, login/logout, openid, etc. Then on top of the platform you can have plug-and-play features like forums, blogs, photo galleries, surveys etc. If it was built the right way, you could have your choice of forums, etc. You can also only load the features that you want. I'm not sure how easy this would be to do but I think it would be neat. This is precisely what I DON'T want. I want something manages and version my templates and then a view that lets Cat retrieve the appropriate template through some means. Not that what you describe wouldn't be nice to have, just not for me atm. ;) -- Cory 'G' Watson http://www.onemogin.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] CMS
John Wang wrote: On 8/23/07, Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want sledgehammers, Bricolage and Krang are probably the beefiest ones you can find :-) www.bricolage.cc www.krangcms.com Don't forget www.webgui.org. One thing about Bricolage, Krang and WebGUI, is that none of them are Catalyst-based. Sometimes this isn't an issue and sometimes it is. For while I've been thinking it would be nice to have a Cat-based CMS with multiple features built on top of a platform. The platform can include basic things like Authn, Authz, Sessions, a basic user schema and pre-built HTML. The pre-built HTML can include controllers/templates/etc for registration, login/logout, openid, etc. Then on top of the platform you can have plug-and-play features like forums, blogs, photo galleries, surveys etc. *cough*...carts, orders, checkout :-) If it was built the right way, you could have your choice of forums, etc. You can also only load the features that you want. I'm not sure how easy this would be to do but I think it would be neat. I'm not sure how related this is, but it's partially the approach I'm taking with Mango. I'm trying to assume form the beginning that it's parts should be easily added to other Cat apps. All of the MyApp::* classes are just subclasses of core Mango::Catalyst::* classes... In other words, MyApp::Controller::Cart is just a subclass of Mango::Catalyst::Controller::Cart... Don't like /cart/...rename to MyApp::Controller::Basket Probably why I always foam at the mouth about calling it ..Framework, so I keep reminding myself it's not a solution, but another set of lego blocks. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
a Perl message queue using POE! http://search.cpan.org/~dsnopek/POE-Component-MessageQueue-0.1.4/lib/POE/Component/MessageQueue.pm On 8/23/07, Alan Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To give some idea, here's a couple of common products in the commercial world: IBM's MQSeries (now called WebSphere MQ) http://www-306.ibm.com/software/integration/wmq/features/ BEA MessageQ: http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=index.htmFP=/content/products/mor e/messageq If you search CPAN Distributions for the word Queue, you get 35 hits that range all over the feature map for a queuing system, including interfaces to some of the commercial systems. There's also Simple Queue Service offered by Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Queue-Service-home-page/b/ref=sc_fe_l_2/105-3926606-9085228?ie=UTF8node=13584001no=342430011me=A36L942TSJ2AJA ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] CMS
On 8/23/07, Cory Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want something manages and version my templates and then a view that lets Cat retrieve the appropriate template through some means. You can do something like that with Krang or Bricolage. They both publish files rather than serving the content themselves. You can publish files that are templates for your Catalyst app to use, and even publish metadata files with them that tell the app how to behave on this page. We did something like this with Krang at Plus Three, using CGI::Application to serve the published templates. There's a thread in the Catalyst archives with more details about it. However, both Krang and Bricolage are far more complicated than RCS. They handle permissions, workflow, and templating of static pages. That may be more than you want. - Perrin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
On Aug 23, 2007, at 10:39 AM, tprinty wrote: Have you looked at memcache? http://www.danga.com/memcached/ Memcached is nice for caching, and OK for temporary session data, but last time I looked at it I couldn't see any good way to use it for queuing. Is there a trick I missed? Cheers, Steve On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 15:43 +0200, Jesper Krogh wrote: Hi. This is quite off-topic related to Catalyst but my googling didn't reveal anything. Has anyone seen stuff like a Messages Queue (I dont have other words for it) But a more generic implementation of a thing where you can put in messages and pick them out in some other part of the program. It would be nice when you have stuff that takes longer that people usually can wait for. Jesper ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/ catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
On 8/23/07, Tobias Kremer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen stuff like a Messages Queue (I dont have other words for it) But a more generic implementation of a thing where you can put in messages and pick them out in some other part of the program. It would be nice when you have stuff that takes longer that people usually can wait for. Maybe TheSchwartz does what you want: http://search.cpan.org/dist/TheSchwartz/ --Tobias ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ I second using TheSchwartz -- 6a/TypePad had a presentation at OSCON on it, reporting that they were having throughput of 800 messages per second. We're using it at my job, and loving it. I wrote out the very high level experience at http://jshirley.vox.com/library/post/catalyst-and-theschwartz-reliable-jobqueue-in-a-great-framework.html Also, you can look at Gearman. Hope this helps, -Jay -- J. Shirley :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: Killing two stones with one bird... http://www.toeat.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
RE: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
I haven't played with gearman yet, but we're also using TheSchwartz (thanks to some setup help from jshirley), and its truly awesome. I have a couple minor gripes (needs an on_final_error sub you can override), but for the most part it rocks. -D -Original Message- From: J. Shirley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:54 AM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue? On 8/23/07, Tobias Kremer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen stuff like a Messages Queue (I dont have other words for it) But a more generic implementation of a thing where you can put in messages and pick them out in some other part of the program. It would be nice when you have stuff that takes longer that people usually can wait for. Maybe TheSchwartz does what you want: http://search.cpan.org/dist/TheSchwartz/ --Tobias ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ I second using TheSchwartz -- 6a/TypePad had a presentation at OSCON on it, reporting that they were having throughput of 800 messages per second. We're using it at my job, and loving it. I wrote out the very high level experience at http://jshirley.vox.com/library/post/catalyst-and-theschwartz-reliable-j obqueue-in-a-great-framework.html Also, you can look at Gearman. Hope this helps, -Jay -- J. Shirley :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: Killing two stones with one bird... http://www.toeat.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] CMS
| On 8/23/07, John Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | For while I've been thinking it would be nice to have a Cat-based CMS with | multiple features built on top of a platform. The platform can include basic | things like Authn, Authz, Sessions, a basic user schema and pre-built HTML. | The pre-built HTML can include controllers/templates/etc for registration, | login/logout, openid, etc. Then on top of the platform you can have | plug-and-play features like forums, blogs, photo galleries, surveys etc. If | it was built the right way, you could have your choice of forums, etc. You | can also only load the features that you want. I'm not sure how easy this | would be to do but I think it would be neat. | | This is precisely what I DON'T want. I want something manages and | version my templates and then a view that lets Cat retrieve the | appropriate template through some means. | | Not that what you describe wouldn't be nice to have, just not for me atm. ;) don't know if this is what you were talking, but me, I'd like a pluggable combo that will allow me to add simple editing of pages (a small wiki or blog-like combo to plug into any catalyst app), with choice of markup (Markdown, Textile, WikiFormat) ... then my templating system should just inject the processed content into a template. Fernan ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
I don't know if you can do Queing but from Jesper's description it didn't seem like order was important. Seemed to me that he just wanted to stash something away and grok it later on. Supposedly the twitter guys have hacked memcached to act as a queue but I can't find anything on how they did it. On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:48 -0700, Steve Atkins wrote: On Aug 23, 2007, at 10:39 AM, tprinty wrote: Have you looked at memcache? http://www.danga.com/memcached/ Memcached is nice for caching, and OK for temporary session data, but last time I looked at it I couldn't see any good way to use it for queuing. Is there a trick I missed? Cheers, Steve On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 15:43 +0200, Jesper Krogh wrote: Hi. This is quite off-topic related to Catalyst but my googling didn't reveal anything. Has anyone seen stuff like a Messages Queue (I dont have other words for it) But a more generic implementation of a thing where you can put in messages and pick them out in some other part of the program. It would be nice when you have stuff that takes longer that people usually can wait for. Jesper ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/ catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
On 8/23/07, tprinty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you looked at memcache? Don't put your messages into memcached unless you don't mind losing some. It is not a database or reliable storage. It's just a cache. - Perrin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
On 8/23/07, Ash Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't use a DB as the backing store for a message queue if you will ever need to pass a lot of messages thought it - you're just asking for trouble doing it that way. Like most things, it depends. If you need ACID properties for your messages, using a database will be a lot easier than building your own special-purpose ACID database. And you probably already have some work invested in making your RDBMS scale, so it doesn't add a new point of failure. But sure, if you have the money for commercial IBM stuff, it works. Some of the open source Java solutions may be viable too. - Perrin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
RE: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
Good message queue systems can exceed 100,000 messages per second in throughput. They say OpenAMQ does, for example. I suggest looking at OpenAMQ (openamq.org). It is free (GNU license), supported and used by major companies for $$$ work, looks well designed, seems very flexible, has great performance, and, most importantly, has perl bindings. Another popular free message queue is ActiveMQ. Only downside to it is that it seems rather geared towards java and it's JMS philosophy (though perl bindings are available). Cheers, Rob _ From: J. Shirley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:54 PM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue? On 8/23/07, Tobias Kremer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen stuff like a Messages Queue (I dont have other words for it) But a more generic implementation of a thing where you can put in messages and pick them out in some other part of the program. It would be nice when you have stuff that takes longer that people usually can wait for. Maybe TheSchwartz does what you want: http://search.cpan.org/dist/TheSchwartz/ --Tobias ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ I second using TheSchwartz -- 6a/TypePad had a presentation at OSCON on it, reporting that they were having throughput of 800 messages per second. We're using it at my job, and loving it. I wrote out the very high level experience at http://jshirley.vox.com/library/post/catalyst-and-theschwartz-reliable-jobqu eue-in-a-great-framework.html Also, you can look at Gearman. Hope this helps, -Jay -- J. Shirley :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: Killing two stones with one bird... http://www.toeat.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
RE: [BULK] - RE: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue?
This looks very interesting and promising but is it just me or is there No actual documentation on using Perl bindings? Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq Security Researcher II Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: Robert Mah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:57 PM To: 'The elegant MVC web framework' Subject: [BULK] - RE: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue? Good message queue systems can exceed 100,000 messages per second in throughput. They say OpenAMQ does, for example. I suggest looking at OpenAMQ (openamq.org). It is free (GNU license), supported and used by major companies for $$$ work, looks well designed, seems very flexible, has great performance, and, most importantly, has perl bindings. Another popular free message queue is ActiveMQ. Only downside to it is that it seems rather geared towards java and it's JMS philosophy (though perl bindings are available). Cheers, Rob From: J. Shirley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:54 PM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: Re: [Catalyst] A Perl Message Queue? On 8/23/07, Tobias Kremer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen stuff like a Messages Queue (I dont have other words for it) But a more generic implementation of a thing where you can put in messages and pick them out in some other part of the program. It would be nice when you have stuff that takes longer that people usually can wait for. Maybe TheSchwartz does what you want: http://search.cpan.org/dist/TheSchwartz/ --Tobias ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ I second using TheSchwartz -- 6a/TypePad had a presentation at OSCON on it, reporting that they were having throughput of 800 messages per second. We're using it at my job, and loving it. I wrote out the very high level experience at http://jshirley.vox.com/library/post/catalyst-and-theschwartz-reliable-j obqueue-in-a-great-framework.html Also, you can look at Gearman. Hope this helps, -Jay -- J. Shirley :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: Killing two stones with one bird... http://www.toeat.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
