[cayugabirds-l] CayugaRBA 2 WESTERN GREBES Twin
CayugaRBA 2 WESTERN GREBES Twin Oaks camp Union Spr w/Aythyas says Jim Tarolli -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Rusty Blackbirds, Sapsucker Woods
Two RUSTY BLACKBIRDS are sitting in a tree over the middle parking lot here at the Lab, vocalizing softly. A Common Redpoll was reported near the front feeders tihs morning, but was not relocated to my knowledge. Jay McGowan -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] 2 or 3 Grebes??
It is apparently inconclusive if there has been 2 or 3 Western-type Grebes on Cayuga Lake. Tom Johnson's question of Western X Clark's Grebe is intriguing since one of the two birds he and Jay had looks similar to the one at the southern end of the Lake that I photographed on Saturday. When I saw Chris Wood's photos, his bird struck me as being darker like the other bird Jay and Tom had. Anyway... Chris Wood's are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinicola/6673386795/in/photostream/ Tom's are here: http://www.flickr.com/bonxie88 Mine are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/6818823433/in/set-72157629174516367/ Are they the same birds? or impossible to tell? In any event, 2 western grebe's or 1 western and 1 western x clark's is amazing3 of these birds is unfathomable! Dave Nicosia -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Group proposes gas drilling test site at Camp Pharsalia...This is an IBA!!!
On a different topic...I just received this email This is very unsettling http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20120207/NEWS01/202070375 -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] 2 or 3 Grebes??
For what it's worth, this afternoon I scanned the lake from Treman Marine Park with very good viewing conditions - calm, sun behind me, air temperature somewhat above water temperature, and saw ZERO grebes of any kind, although I did see 1 RED-THROATED LOON and at least 4 COMMON LOONS I think the lighter of the two grebes Tom photographed at Twin Oaks looks like the one I saw in the southwest area of the lake. I saw a similarly extensive and bright white patch on the secondaries, and noted pale flecks on the flank. The whitish loral spot on the lighter Twin Oaks bird was present on both the Myers bird and the one in the southwest part of the lake. Points in favor of Western Grebe for the bird in the southwest part of Cayuga Lake include: broad dark hind-neck (photo by Gary Kohlenberg), vocalizations (notes by Gary Kohlenberg), dull bill with dark line on top and below. I have no experience with these birds in winter, so I'm not trying to argue one way or the other, just summarizing some points. I'll be surprised if there are actually 3 birds, but then again I'm surprised by just one!--Dave NutterOn Feb 09, 2012, at 06:40 PM, david nicosia daven1...@yahoo.com wrote:It is apparently inconclusive if there has been 2 or 3Western-type Grebes on Cayuga Lake.Tom Johnson'squestion of Western X Clark's Grebe isintriguing since one of the two birds he and Jayhad looks similar to the one at the southern endof the Lake that I photographed on Saturday.When I saw Chris Wood's photos,his bird struckme as being darkerlike the other bird Jay andTom had. Anyway...Chris Wood's are here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinicola/6673386795/in/photostream/Tom's are here: http://www.flickr.com/bonxie88Mine are here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/6818823433/in/set-72157629174516367/Are they the same birds? or impossible to tell?In any event, 2 western grebe's or 1 westernand 1 western x clark's is amazing3 of thesebirds is unfathomable!Dave Nicosia -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! --
[cayugabirds-l] Crow hunting regulations
In NYS the crow season is Sep 1, 2011 to Mar 31, 2012 (all of upstate and Long Island, excluding NYC) but only on Fri, Sat, Sun, Mondays. There is no daily limit or possession limit. They are also exempt for HIP registration and may be hunted with rifles and use of electronic calls. (from the NY hunting trapping 2011-2012 regulations). These are about the most lenient rules of any game species, but if you happen to be from Geneva or Auburn it's kind of hard to find anyone pro crow due to the devastation they cause. The rules are designed to help maintain population levels at healthy limits. Just FYI, I had a flock (murder) of about 1000 crows flying over me in the town of Waterloo about 7 AM this morning (96A/East Lake Rd). -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Crow hunting regulations
On 2/9/2012 9:05 PM, Mark Miller wrote: ... but if you happen to be from Geneva or Auburn it's kind of hard to find anyone pro crow due to the devastation they cause. The rules are designed to help maintain population levels at healthy limits. Just FYI, I had a flock (murder) of about 1000 crows flying over me in the town of Waterloo about 7 AM this morning (96A/East Lake Rd). There have been winters when crows roosted in downtown Ithaca, and the sidewalks became covered with the inevitable result in the area where I park my car - sometimes the car, too. It didn't make me want to shoot them, although sometimes I did wish someone would bring in a Goshawk or other raptor big enough to scare them off! Seems hard to argue that crow hunting has any relationship to maintaining healthy population limits in NYS, given how sporadic and relatively unregulated it is. Seems more like a bunch of people wanting to go out and shoot at a bunch of birds, and then compare body counts over beers. In Auburn the 'hunt' was run by a bar, making that particularly easy for participants. Alicia -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Crow hunting regulations
Before I get any hate mail. please note that I am providing information, not supporting an opinion on crow hunting or hunting in general... Mark Miller is correct when he says that these rules are lenient as far as GAME SPECIES go, but there are many species in NY that are unprotected by law. These include red aquirrels, chipmunks, woodchucks, flying squirrels, procupines, etc.etc. In all of those cases, you can do all of the things mentioned below in regards to crow hunting (using rifle, using electronic calls, no daily or seasonal bag limits) and IN ADDITION you can take them over bait, any day of the year and any time of day. As I understand it, crows are protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty act only becuase the Act covers families of birds not individual species. So through a technicality, it is a game species, but the states have generally taken every legal step to make them as easy to hunt as possible. **Ever wonder why crows can only be shot from fri-mon? There are only so many days of crow hunting that are allowed under the Act and by spreading those days over weekends, it maximizes the chances of hunters being off work and able to hunt. Otherwise, the season would be continuos like nearly every other season in NY and end much sooner. From: bounce-40021368-3493...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-40021368-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Miller [mmiller...@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:05 PM To: Cayugabirds Posting Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Crow hunting regulations In NYS the crow season is Sep 1, 2011 to Mar 31, 2012 (all of upstate and Long Island, excluding NYC) but only on Fri, Sat, Sun, Mondays. There is no daily limit or possession limit. They are also exempt for HIP registration and may be hunted with rifles and use of electronic calls. (from the NY hunting trapping 2011-2012 regulations). These are about the most lenient rules of any game species, but if you happen to be from Geneva or Auburn it's kind of hard to find anyone pro crow due to the devastation they cause. The rules are designed to help maintain population levels at healthy limits. Just FYI, I had a flock (murder) of about 1000 crows flying over me in the town of Waterloo about 7 AM this morning (96A/East Lake Rd). -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Sodus Bay
Tom Riley of Niles, New York and I had the pleasure of going to Sodus Bay on an absolutely beautiful day with perfect conditions. We discovered a flock of approximately 300 Long-tailed ducks in the channel adjacent to the lighthouse. The ducks were very active moving about from one side of the channel to the other. There were a few White-winged Scoters and a Greater Scaup mixed in with the flock of Long-tailed ducks. No King Eider present. We counted approximately 55 Trumpeter Swans around the edges of the of the back or the inland part of the Bay. The final stop at Twin Oaks Campground added significantly to what was already a great day of birding. As Gary Kohlenberg reported we had the pleasure of witnessing a birding spectacle with over 15000 Redheads and a pair of Western Grebes for good measure. The Aythya flock was like watching a kinetic sculpture as the birds were either rising or descending or they were constantly swarming into various formations. Bill RobertsAurora -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Cayuga Bird Club Field Trips - Feb 11 and 12
Feb. 11 Saturday Hi All, There are TWO Cayuga Bird Club field trips scheduled for this coming weekend, open to the public. For details, go to the Cayuga Bird Club calendar webpage (http://www.cayugabirdclub.org/calendar). Below is a brief summary. Laura 7:30 a.m.- 4 p.m. Field Trip: Cayuga Lake Leader: Bob McGuire Meet: Johnson Center, Cornell lab of Ornithology parking lot Bob will lead a full-day trip, concentrating on Cayuga Lake but also visiting areas where birds have been reported. The trip will return by 4 p.m. Bring lunch and warm clothes. Contact Bob at bmcgu...@clarityconnect.com if you have questions. Feb. 12 Sunday 3 p.m.-dark Field Trip: Short-eared Owls in the Ovid area Leader: Marty Schlabach, Mary Jean Welser, and Michele Mannella Meet: This trip will start at Marty and Mary Jean's home in Covert and we will carpool to the area around the intersection of Wycoff Road and Rock River Road in Ovid- please check the Cayuga Bird Club website for details and directions (http://www.cayugabirdclub.org/calendar). The group will look for whatever can be found until it gets dark enough for Short-eared Owls to appear. Bring a spotting scope, if you have one, in case the owls are far off the road. Laura Stenzler l...@cornell.edumailto:l...@cornell.edu -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] CORRECTED Cayuga bird club trips
Hmm. Some how my formatting got mixed up. Here it is again. Laura Hi All, There are TWO Cayuga Bird Club field trips scheduled for this coming weekend, open to the public. For details, go to the Cayuga Bird Club calendar webpage (http://www.cayugabirdclub.org/calendar). Below is a brief summary. Laura Feb. 11 Saturday 7:30 a.m.- 4 p.m. Field Trip: Cayuga Lake Leader: Bob McGuire Meet: Johnson Center, Cornell lab of Ornithology parking lot Bob will lead a full-day trip, concentrating on Cayuga Lake but also visiting areas where birds have been reported. The trip will return by 4 p.m. Bring lunch and warm clothes. Contact Bob at bmcgu...@clarityconnect.commailto:bmcgu...@clarityconnect.com if you have questions. Feb. 12 Sunday 3 p.m.-dark Field Trip: Short-eared Owls in the Ovid area Leader: Marty Schlabach, Mary Jean Welser, and Michele Mannella Meet: This trip will start at Marty and Mary Jean's home in Covert and we will carpool to the area around the intersection of Wycoff Road and Rock River Road in Ovid- please check the Cayuga Bird Club website for details and directions (http://www.cayugabirdclub.org/calendar). The group will look for whatever can be found until it gets dark enough for Short-eared Owls to appear. Bring a spotting scope, if you have one, in case the owls are far off the road. Laura Stenzler l...@cornell.edumailto:l...@cornell.edu Laura Stenzler Lab Manager Evolutionary Biology Program Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Rd. Ithaca, New York 14850 Office: (607) 254 2141 Lab:(607) 254 2142 Fax:(607) 254 2486 l...@cornell.edumailto:l...@cornell.edu -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Crow appreciation in Montour Falls
We do take a stand on the crow shoot to be held this weekend at the Millport Hunting and Fishing Club in Schuyler County. We think it is callous and distasteful to kill any animal for recreation, as is planned at this event. Marsha and Fred Kardon - Original Message - From: Kevin J. McGowan k...@cornell.edu To: CAYUGABIRDS-L cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu, NYSBIRDS-L nysbird...@list.cornell.edu Cc: CLO-CASUAL-L clo-casua...@list.cornell.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 5:24:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Crow appreciation in Montour Falls I take no stand on the crow shoot in Schuyler County this coming weekend, but I will be giving a talk about how cool crows are at 1:00 PM Saturday, 11 Feb 2012, at the Old Havana Courthouse Theater, 408 West Main Street, Montour Falls, NY. (In the top of the County Courthouse.) The talk is free and open to the public. Several of my crow research collaborators and I will be there to talk crows, show photos and videos, and pass out crow trading cards. We will have chocolate, too. Come on over and see the crow show. Kevin Kevin J. McGowan Ithaca, NY k...@cornell.edu -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird ! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Western Grebes still at Twin Oaks
Western Grebes still at Twin Oaks. 5PM with Redheads -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Legality of crow shoot?
I am not clear about the legality of the Schuyler crow shoot. The American crow is protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918. However, there is a depredation order for blackbirds, cowbirds, grackles, crows, and magpies. This can be viewed on the Electronic Code of Federal Regulations, link below: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfrsid=9c040593bbdf74735e0a72d67dcacf29rgn=div8view=textnode=50:8.0.1.1.4.4.1.3idno=50 In the order's language, crows can be killed when they are committing or about to commit depredations on ornamental or shade trees, agricultural crops, livestock, or wildlife, or when concentrated in such numbers and manner that they are a health hazard or other nuisance. In addition, non-lethal methods of control of depredation must be tried before lethal methods may be used. Non-toxic shot or non-toxic bullets (from a list of approved shot) must be used if a firearm is used. I question whether the Schuyler crow shoot is in accordance with federal law since the plan is to shoot crows anywhere in the county, and simply for recreation and to win a competition. Fred Kardon -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] 2 or 3 Grebes??
I cruised up the lake after work to see the big Aythya flock and hopefully the Grebes. The Aythya flock was present and very impressive with the reddish light of sunset bringing out the colors. I shared the spectacle with artist and photographer Bill Roberts of Aurora and the campground owner Carl Rindfleisch. As much as I dislike counting large numbers of amorphous seething life I estimated 16,500 birds with 93% of them Redheads. Both WESTERN GREBES swam together on the far side of the flock. In the short time I was able to watch them they were always very close to each other. If the distance were shorter I could have gotten decent photos of the pair as did Jay and Tom. I also think that the lighter of the pair looks most like the one I observed at Treman Marine. If they stay here through the weekend we may get a definitive answer to the 2 vs 3 mystery. Some timely text messages and calm water should help. My bet is on two. Gary On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Dave Nutter wrote: For what it's worth, this afternoon I scanned the lake from Treman Marine Park with very good viewing conditions - calm, sun behind me, air temperature somewhat above water temperature, and saw ZERO grebes of any kind, although I did see 1 RED-THROATED LOON and at least 4 COMMON LOONS I think the lighter of the two grebes Tom photographed at Twin Oaks looks like the one I saw in the southwest area of the lake. I saw a similarly extensive and bright white patch on the secondaries, and noted pale flecks on the flank. The whitish loral spot on the lighter Twin Oaks bird was present on both the Myers bird and the one in the southwest part of the lake. Points in favor of Western Grebe for the bird in the southwest part of Cayuga Lake include: broad dark hind-neck (photo by Gary Kohlenberg), vocalizations (notes by Gary Kohlenberg), dull bill with dark line on top and below. I have no experience with these birds in winter, so I'm not trying to argue one way or the other, just summarizing some points. I'll be surprised if there are actually 3 birds, but then again I'm surprised by just one! --Dave Nutter On Feb 09, 2012, at 06:40 PM, david nicosia daven1...@yahoo.commailto:daven1...@yahoo.com wrote: It is apparently inconclusive if there has been 2 or 3 Western-type Grebes on Cayuga Lake. Tom Johnson's question of Western X Clark's Grebe is intriguing since one of the two birds he and Jay had looks similar to the one at the southern end of the Lake that I photographed on Saturday. When I saw Chris Wood's photos, his bird struck me as being darker like the other bird Jay and Tom had. Anyway... Chris Wood's are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinicola/6673386795/in/photostream/ Tom's are here: http://www.flickr.com/bonxie88 Mine are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/6818823433/in/set-72157629174516367/ Are they the same birds? or impossible to tell? In any event, 2 western grebe's or 1 western and 1 western x clark's is amazing3 of these birds is unfathomable! Dave Nicosia -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Legality of crow shoot?
You are only quoting the section regarding depredation or the control of these birds when they are a nuisance. There is a section that relates to sport hunting. The crow shoot in question is legally considered a sport hunt. Anyone participating must have a NYS hunting license and follow the rules regarding sport take that Mark Miller posted in a recent email. Please note that this is NOT me claiming that hunting SHOULD be called a sport or that shooting crows is fun, etc. etc. I am merely trying to provide accurate information for those of you interested in this topic. :) From: bounce-40021102-3493...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-40021102-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of M Kardon [mk2...@pol.net] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:38 PM To: cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Legality of crow shoot? I am not clear about the legality of the Schuyler crow shoot. The American crow is protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918. However, there is a depredation order for blackbirds, cowbirds, grackles, crows, and magpies. This can be viewed on the Electronic Code of Federal Regulations, link below: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfrsid=9c040593bbdf74735e0a72d67dcacf29rgn=div8view=textnode=50:8.0.1.1.4.4.1.3idno=50 In the order's language, crows can be killed when they are committing or about to commit depredations on ornamental or shade trees, agricultural crops, livestock, or wildlife, or when concentrated in such numbers and manner that they are a health hazard or other nuisance. In addition, non-lethal methods of control of depredation must be tried before lethal methods may be used. Non-toxic shot or non-toxic bullets (from a list of approved shot) must be used if a firearm is used. I question whether the Schuyler crow shoot is in accordance with federal law since the plan is to shoot crows anywhere in the county, and simply for recreation and to win a competition. Fred Kardon -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
