Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[sarah fern]

I like to use peanut butter & the birds like it.

Sarah

On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 12:01 PM Geo Kloppel  wrote:

> I’m not advocating, but one can buy grass-fed organically produced beef
> suet through the mail. One source that I see online sells it for about $7 /
> lb., which is not more than one might pay for certain brands of organic
> peanut butter (which are typically non-hydrogenated, so no need to wonder
> about the health effects of feeding hydrogenated vegetable oils to birds).
>
> -Geo
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:45 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
>
> 
> I have a question for everyone regarding suet. Since we know that
> pesticides and other harmful human chemicals including industrial
> agriculture antibiotics accumulate in the fat of mammals how healthy can
> animal suet from animal agriculture actually be for birds. I have never
> seen anyone mention or consider this. I have tried to look it up but cannot
> find anything. Just going by my own understanding of the food chain and
> bioaccumulation I’m  relying on my common sense. I mix organic peanut
> butter and organic cornmeal and use that.
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, New York.
>
> On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Peter Saracino 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have. Just
> suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few inches in diameter.
> Any ideas where I can buy some. No luck at Tractor Supply, Running, Country
> Max or Wild Birds Unlimited, Amazon
> Thanks.
> Pete Sar
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[Judith Thurber]

Not the desired shape you mention, but malleable— can be squashed into any 
shape:  I like Wegmans.  Just Plain suet.  

Judy Thurber 
Liverpool 

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> On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Nancy Cusumano  wrote:
> 
> 
> Don't know if they will have what you are looking for, but you could try Pine 
> Tree Farms in Interlaken, where they make suet blocks, logs etc. You have to 
> go during business hours but they are usually very helpful.
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 9:39 AM Peter Saracino  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have. Just 
>> suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few inches in diameter. 
>> Any ideas where I can buy some. No luck at Tractor Supply, Running, Country 
>> Max or Wild Birds Unlimited, Amazon
>> Thanks.
>> Pete Sar
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[John and Fritzie Blizzard]

I have bought straight suet from grocery meat departments & packed it 
into wherever I wanted or into mesh bags that fruit &/or vegetables have 
come in or into store bought suet feeders.

For you that don't know, packaged FAT, often with bits of meat attached 
& that may have a bit of blood & which some meat cutters may think you 
want or that can be pushed off on the unsuspecting, is not what you 
want. You want hard suet only.  It is naturally hard & is the white fat 
that comes from around the loins & kidneys of cattle & sheep.
Lard is rendered fat that comes from pigs & it usually stays soft at 
room temperature. In fact, in many countries it is used as butter!
Butchers used to give it to me free but at holiday time it is used to 
make minced meat so the price on it then is about as much as roast beef.

Fritzie B.
###

On 1/9/2022 10:35 AM, Charles Eldermire wrote:
> Could try these suet cylinders from WBU (multiple kinds, some without 
> seeds): https://order.wbu.com/johnsoncity/bird-food/suet-cylinders
> 
> *From:* @list.cornell.edu> on behalf of t...@ottcmail.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 9, 2022 10:21:36 AM
> *To:* Nancy Cusumano ; Peter Saracino 
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question
> I love Pine Tree Farms - nice people, good prices - and we get all our 
> seed and suet there, but have never seen any suet there that didn't 
> have seeds or peanuts in it.  You could try calling first - 
> 607-532-4311. They also might have ideas for where to get some.  In 
> decades of bird feeding, I don't think I've ever encountered it myself.
>
> Good luck -
>
> Alicia
>
> On 1/9/2022 9:49 AM, Nancy Cusumano wrote:
>> Don't know if they will have what you are looking for, but you could 
>> try Pine Tree Farms in Interlaken, where they make suet blocks, logs 
>> etc. You have to go during business hours but they are usually very 
>> helpful.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 9:39 AM Peter Saracino 
>> mailto:petersarac...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I
>> have. Just suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a
>> few inches in diameter. Any ideas where I can buy some. No luck
>> at Tractor Supply, Running, Country Max or Wild Birds Unlimited,
>> Amazon
>> Thanks., Pete Sar
>>
>>

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[William Baker]

Another potential way of getting suet from beef that is organically grow would 
be to check with the vendors who sell meat at local farmers markets and see 
what they have. 
Bill Baker

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> On Jan 9, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
> 
> I’m not advocating, but one can buy grass-fed organically produced beef suet 
> through the mail. One source that I see online sells it for about $7 / lb., 
> which is not more than one might pay for certain brands of organic peanut 
> butter (which are typically non-hydrogenated, so no need to wonder about the 
> health effects of feeding hydrogenated vegetable oils to birds).
> 
> -Geo
> 
> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:45 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I have a question for everyone regarding suet. Since we know that pesticides 
>> and other harmful human chemicals including industrial agriculture 
>> antibiotics accumulate in the fat of mammals how healthy can animal suet 
>> from animal agriculture actually be for birds. I have never seen anyone 
>> mention or consider this. I have tried to look it up but cannot find 
>> anything. Just going by my own understanding of the food chain and 
>> bioaccumulation I’m  relying on my common sense. I mix organic peanut butter 
>> and organic cornmeal and use that. 
>> 
>> Linda Orkin
>> Ithaca, New York. 
>> 
 On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Peter Saracino  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have. Just 
>>> suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few inches in diameter. 
>>> Any ideas where I can buy some. No luck at Tractor Supply, Running, Country 
>>> Max or Wild Birds Unlimited, Amazon
>>> Thanks.
>>> Pete Sar
>>> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[Geo Kloppel]

I’m not advocating, but one can buy grass-fed organically produced beef suet 
through the mail. One source that I see online sells it for about $7 / lb., 
which is not more than one might pay for certain brands of organic peanut 
butter (which are typically non-hydrogenated, so no need to wonder about the 
health effects of feeding hydrogenated vegetable oils to birds).

-Geo


> On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:45 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a question for everyone regarding suet. Since we know that pesticides 
> and other harmful human chemicals including industrial agriculture 
> antibiotics accumulate in the fat of mammals how healthy can animal suet from 
> animal agriculture actually be for birds. I have never seen anyone mention or 
> consider this. I have tried to look it up but cannot find anything. Just 
> going by my own understanding of the food chain and bioaccumulation I’m  
> relying on my common sense. I mix organic peanut butter and organic cornmeal 
> and use that. 
> 
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, New York. 
> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Peter Saracino  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have. Just 
>> suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few inches in diameter. 
>> Any ideas where I can buy some. No luck at Tractor Supply, Running, Country 
>> Max or Wild Birds Unlimited, Amazon
>> Thanks.
>> Pete Sar
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[Donna Lee Scott]

Instead of going to trouble of making cylinders of suet, I just spread the fat 
mix into my feeding log holes with a little spatula.
It stays in the holes better than some commercially-made suet cylinders.

This used to work well with “Bark Butter” from Wild Birds Unlimited.

Donna Scott
Lansing
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On Jan 9, 2022, at 10:39 AM, Paul Schmitt  wrote:

Make your own!  Easy with a double boiler.  Plenty of recipes on internet.  I 
use lard, peanut butter, instant oats and a wee bit of corn meal (to thicken 
it).  No millet or other useless fillers.  Better than smelly beef fat too.  
Any tapered mold works to cast the block.   I use one of the plastic squares 
from a commercial suet cake and oil it for easy release.

Paul Schmitt

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 9, 2022, at 10:22 AM, t...@ottcmail.com wrote:

 I love Pine Tree Farms - nice people, good prices - and we get all our seed 
and suet there, but have never seen any suet there that didn't have seeds or 
peanuts in it.  You could try calling first - 607-532-4311. They also might 
have ideas for where to get some.  In decades of bird feeding, I don't think 
I've ever encountered it myself.

Good luck -

Alicia


Or you could make your own with a

On 1/9/2022 9:49 AM, Nancy Cusumano wrote:
Don't know if they will have what you are looking for, but you could try Pine 
Tree Farms in Interlaken, where they make suet blocks, logs etc. You have to go 
during business hours but they are usually very helpful.

On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 9:39 AM Peter Saracino 
mailto:petersarac...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have. Just 
suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few inches in diameter. Any 
ideas where I can buy some. No luck at Tractor Supply, Running, Country Max or 
Wild Birds Unlimited, Amazon
Thanks.
Pete Sar

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[Paul Schmitt]

Make your own!  Easy with a double boiler.  Plenty of recipes on internet.  I 
use lard, peanut butter, instant oats and a wee bit of corn meal (to thicken 
it).  No millet or other useless fillers.  Better than smelly beef fat too.  
Any tapered mold works to cast the block.   I use one of the plastic squares 
from a commercial suet cake and oil it for easy release.  

Paul Schmitt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2022, at 10:22 AM, t...@ottcmail.com wrote:
> 
>  I love Pine Tree Farms - nice people, good prices - and we get all our seed 
> and suet there, but have never seen any suet there that didn't have seeds or 
> peanuts in it.  You could try calling first - 607-532-4311. They also might 
> have ideas for where to get some.  In decades of bird feeding, I don't think 
> I've ever encountered it myself.
> 
> Good luck -
> 
> Alicia 
> 
> 
> Or you could make your own with a 
> 
> On 1/9/2022 9:49 AM, Nancy Cusumano wrote:
>> Don't know if they will have what you are looking for, but you could try 
>> Pine Tree Farms in Interlaken, where they make suet blocks, logs etc. You 
>> have to go during business hours but they are usually very helpful.
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 9:39 AM Peter Saracino  
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have. Just 
>>> suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few inches in diameter. 
>>> Any ideas where I can buy some. No luck at Tractor Supply, Running, Country 
>>> Max or Wild Birds Unlimited, Amazon
>>> Thanks.
>>> Pete Sar
>>> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[Charles Eldermire]

Could try these suet cylinders from WBU (multiple kinds, some without seeds): 
https://order.wbu.com/johnsoncity/bird-food/suet-cylinders

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I love Pine Tree Farms - nice people, good prices - and we get all our seed and 
suet there, but have never seen any suet there that didn't have seeds or 
peanuts in it.  You could try calling first - 607-532-4311. They also might 
have ideas for where to get some.  In decades of bird feeding, I don't think 
I've ever encountered it myself.

Good luck -

Alicia


Or you could make your own with a

On 1/9/2022 9:49 AM, Nancy Cusumano wrote:
Don't know if they will have what you are looking for, but you could try Pine 
Tree Farms in Interlaken, where they make suet blocks, logs etc. You have to go 
during business hours but they are usually very helpful.

On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 9:39 AM Peter Saracino 
mailto:petersarac...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have. Just 
suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few inches in diameter. Any 
ideas where I can buy some. No luck at Tractor Supply, Running, Country Max or 
Wild Birds Unlimited, Amazon
Thanks.
Pete Sar

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[tess]

I love Pine Tree Farms - nice people, good prices - and we get all our 
seed and suet there, but have never seen any suet there that didn't have 
seeds or peanuts in it.  You could try calling first - 607-532-4311. 
They also might have ideas for where to get some.  In decades of bird 
feeding, I don't think I've ever encountered it myself.

Good luck -

Alicia


Or you could make your own with a

On 1/9/2022 9:49 AM, Nancy Cusumano wrote:
> Don't know if they will have what you are looking for, but you could 
> try Pine Tree Farms in Interlaken, where they make suet blocks, logs 
> etc. You have to go during business hours but they are usually very 
> helpful.
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 9:39 AM Peter Saracino 
>  wrote:
>
>
> Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have.
> Just suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few
> inches in diameter. Any ideas where I can buy some. No luck at
> Tractor Supply, Running, Country Max or Wild Birds Unlimited,
> Amazon
> Thanks.
> Pete Sar
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[Linda Orkin]

And vegetable shortening. Forgot to include that. 

Linda

> On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:44 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
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> antibiotics accumulate in the fat of mammals how healthy can animal suet from 
> animal agriculture actually be for birds. I have never seen anyone mention or 
> consider this. I have tried to look it up but cannot find anything. Just 
> going by my own understanding of the food chain and bioaccumulation I’m  
> relying on my common sense. I mix organic peanut butter and organic cornmeal 
> and use that. 
> 
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, New York. 
> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Peter Saracino  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have. Just 
>> suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few inches in diameter. 
>> Any ideas where I can buy some. No luck at Tractor Supply, Running, Country 
>> Max or Wild Birds Unlimited, Amazon
>> Thanks.
>> Pete Sar
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[Nancy Cusumano]

Don't know if they will have what you are looking for, but you could try
Pine Tree Farms in Interlaken, where they make suet blocks, logs etc. You
have to go during business hours but they are usually very helpful.

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> Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have. Just
> suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few inches in diameter.
> Any ideas where I can buy some. No luck at Tractor Supply, Running, Country
> Max or Wild Birds Unlimited, Amazon
> Thanks.
> Pete Sar
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[Linda Orkin]

I have a question for everyone regarding suet. Since we know that pesticides 
and other harmful human chemicals including industrial agriculture antibiotics 
accumulate in the fat of mammals how healthy can animal suet from animal 
agriculture actually be for birds. I have never seen anyone mention or consider 
this. I have tried to look it up but cannot find anything. Just going by my own 
understanding of the food chain and bioaccumulation I’m  relying on my common 
sense. I mix organic peanut butter and organic cornmeal and use that. 

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, New York. 

> On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Peter Saracino  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have. Just 
> suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few inches in diameter. 
> Any ideas where I can buy some. No luck at Tractor Supply, Running, Country 
> Max or Wild Birds Unlimited, Amazon
> Thanks.
> Pete Sar
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[cayugabirds-l] Suet question

[Peter Saracino]

Folks im looking for a suet log/cylinder for a suet holder I have. Just
suetno embedded seeds. At least 6-7" high and a few inches in diameter.
Any ideas where I can buy some. No luck at Tractor Supply, Running, Country
Max or Wild Birds Unlimited, Amazon
Thanks.
Pete Sar

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[cayugabirds-l] RE: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: NY Wind Project Threatens Birds — Speak Up Now!

[Charles Rouse]

I would rather participate in on-site protests than to put my email address out 
there. When it come to development, whether it be renewal energy or other 
types, to the developers - wildlife just get in the way. We see it in the 
declining wildlife numbers globally, and in the ugliness of the projects, but 
developers seem to think that wildlife can just move to the next woodlot. It’s 
rare that once any development for renewal energy projects is proposed that it 
can be stopped. Look at the massive solar farms that are springing up all over, 
consuming thousands of acres of habitat. Wildlife will always take a back seat 
to development.

Charlie Rouse
Geneva

From: bounce-126208702-85169...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of John Gregoire
Sent: Saturday, January 8, 2022 5:00 PM
To: cayugabirds-L@Cornell.Edu 
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: NY Wind Project Threatens Birds — Speak Up Now!


I hope this is OK to post. Looks like much help and signatures are needed.
John

-- Forwarded message -
From: Joel Merriman, American Bird Conservancy 
mailto:i...@abcbirds.org>>
Date: Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 11:00 AM
Subject: NY Wind Project Threatens Birds — Speak Up Now!
To: John and Sue Gregoire 
mailto:johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com>>

Birds need your voice today.
[Action 
Alert]
[Bald Eagle and chick in 
nest]

Protect Birds From High-Risk Wind Energy Project in New 
York!

Dear John and Sue,



New York state is about to set a dangerous precedent for birds. A high-risk 
wind energy project, Heritage Wind, will likely get approved, in spite of clear 
dangers to birds and outcry from the public, conservation groups, and wildlife 
management agencies.



It would be the first project approved under the state’s new renewable energy 
regulations, and would send a signal to the wind energy industry that turbines 
can be placed anywhere in New York, regardless of impacts to birds.



It’s bad news, but we’re not giving up. Under New York’s new leadership, there 
is still hope to eliminate the project’s most egregious impacts on birds.



We’re asking Governor Kathy Hochul to ensure that the Heritage Wind project 
takes measures to protect vulnerable bird populations. Will you add your name 
to our 
petition?



The location of Heritage Wind — a 5,800-acre facility — presents numerous risks 
for birds.  The project is dangerously close to Iroquois National Wildlife 
Refuge, and Oak Orchard and Tonawanda State Wildlife Management Areas.



This biodiverse wetland complex supports nesting Bald Eagles, which are 
particularly vulnerable to