Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[tess]

Sounds like there is a lot of momentum behind this and it might be 
easier to deflect than to stop unless the weather is like today. 
Celebrating the 100th probably is a huge deal for the agency, which 
certainly have manages a lot of great habitat for birds.  And they 
people behind this particular event have put time, money, and effort 
into planning and executing it and probably will be reluctant to abandon it.

Is there a way this could be done and disturbance minimized?  What if 
they lit up the falls from right below so the gorge itself wasn't 
illuminated, and instead of hiking up the gorge they centered the 
celebration on the overlook rather than hiking the gorge hike? Maybe 
there's a local bird-loving food truck or caterer who would be willing 
to offer food at a discount to the parks for the three nights up at the 
visitor center by the overlook?

Is there someone on the list with contacts at the Regional State Park 
office or at the Chamber who could sound them out on whether they are 
open to alternatives?  Does the bird club have any programming it runs 
in partnership with any of the local state parks?  We could try to shut 
this down but there's a good chance that would fail and, whether or not 
it did, trying to shut it down entirely will piss off a lot people which 
might not be good for birds (or even birders) in the long run.  Note the 
Chamber of Commerce seems to be running the hikes so anyone on the list 
who is a member might want to gently explain the issue to Jennifer 
Tavares, who seems like a decent person.  Not sure if Fred Bonn is still 
the Regional Director of State Parks but he has been flexible in the 
past when approached given actual evidence and alternatives - but 
whoever approaches him should be prepared with published evidence or 
personal reports by someone (maybe Tim G) who is an acknowledged expert 
on peregrines and can show that the light show is going to disturb the 
peregrines.  Keep in mind that these folks know peregrines nest on urban 
bridges and buildings that are lit at night so they will need to know 
why this is different.


On 4/14/2024 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote:
> Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great 
> falls in Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have 
> potential to disturb the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are 
> currently on nests there).
>
> Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and 
> also the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for 
> after-dark hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.
>
> new-york-state-parks-recreation-and-historic-preservation-1.jpg
> Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks 
> at Taughannock Falls 
> 
> mytwintiers.com 
> 
>
> 
>
>
>> On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher  wrote:
>>
>> I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock 
>> Falls will be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming 
>> Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess 
>> it’s some kind of PR stunt to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the 
>> New York State Park Service, but it couldn’t possibly come at a worse 
>> time, with the eggs just about to hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie 
>> and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the falls—not mention all 
>> the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be other, less 
>> potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
>> contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by 
>> Arthur A. Allen)
>>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Dave Nutter]

I went to the websites for State Parks (NYSOPRHP), Tompkins County Chamber of 
Commerce, and Visit Ithaca, used the Contact Us feature of each, and briefly 
asked them to please not do a light show in the gorge due to potential 
disturbance of the Peregrines and Ravens nesting there. 

- - Dave Nutter

> On Apr 14, 2024, at 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
> 
> Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in 
> Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb 
> the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).
> 
> Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also 
> the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark 
> hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.
> 
> 
> Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at 
> Taughannock Falls
> mytwintiers.com
> 
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher  wrote:
>> 
>> I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will 
>> be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
>> Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
>> celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
>> couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
>> the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
>> falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should 
>> be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You 
>> can contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur 
>> A. Allen)
>> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Geo Kloppel]


Being listed as endangered or threatened isn’t really the criterion for legal 
protection. The Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) already protects these birds 
and their nests, eggs, and nestlings.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Tim Gallagher]

Peregrines were removed from the federal Endangered Species List in 1999.

From: bounce-128145693-10557...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Kevin C Packard 

Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 1:51 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L ; Sandy Podulka 

Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Interesting thought, but I don't think peregrine falcons are listed as 
endangered under the ESA.

Best,

Kevin







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 on behalf of Sandy Podulka 

Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 1:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?

At 10:15 AM 4/14/2024, Tim Gallagher wrote:
I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park.. There certainly should 
be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

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The Peregrines’ nest is just below the Visitor’s Center building at the falls overlook, so not likely to be lighted directly, unless the technicians are planning something really extravagant! The Ravens' nest is above and  slightly north of the lip of the falls itself. It's well within the reach of spotlighting intended to highlight the falls, unless that were carefully aimed to avoid the nest area…On Apr 14, 2024, at 1:53 PM, Rachel Hogancamp  wrote:Do we know where the lights will be? Will they light up the nest? I know someone at the Parks office and will try to contact them to see what’s possible.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 14, 2024, at 1:46 PM, Sandy Podulka  wrote:

Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?
At 10:15 AM 4/14/2024, Tim Gallagher wrote:
I heard some disturbing news
last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be brightly illuminated
from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night
(April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to celebrate
the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to
hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right
beside the falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park.. There
certainly should be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate
the Park Service. You can contact the Taughannock Park office at (607)
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[cayugabirds-l] Reminder for Cayuga Bird Club April meeting and rsvp for speaker dinne r

[Colleen Richards]

Please rsvp for our speaker dinner at Moosewood Restaurant 215 N Cayuga St, Ste 
70 at 5:30 p.m. before the meeting on April 15. We have available seats left, 
so the first 3 people to rsvp will be able to join with speaker Julie Hart. 
Contact me at cl...@juno.com for confirmation.
  For everyone, though we hope you will join us tomorrow evening, April 15 to 
hear our Julie Hart, Project Coordinator, New York Breeding Bird Atlas III, as 
she gives her presentation, "How you can help NYs breeding birds" at 
Foundation of Light at 391 Turkey Hill Rd.; social time starts at 7 pm, the 
reading of the bird list at 7:20, and club business at 7:30 followed by the 
presentation. Learn about the third Breeding Bird Atlas in NY and how you can 
help this community science project. Atlasing is a great way for birders of all 
abilities to learn about birds while directly contributing to science and 
conservation. This is the final year of the 5-year Atlas project. Can you help 
us fill in a gap for your favorite species? Do you like to bird somewhere 
unique or remote? The Atlas is a statewide survey and you can participate at 
any time using the free eBird app. Wile atlasing, you will explore new areas, 
search for clues into the secret lives of birds, and expand your understanding 
and appreciation of birds. Whether you have been sitting on the fence about 
contributing to the project or have never heard of the Atlas before, now is 
your chance to contribute to the largest community science project in the 
state. There won't be another atlas until 2040! Attend this talk to find out 
how you can participate and make an impact for bird conservation. About the 
Speaker: Julie started birding while working in Ithaca as a bird conservation 
intern with the Cornell Lab of Ornithology and Audubon. She traveled for 
several years doing field work around the globe, then spent several years 
chasing high-elevation birds around the Northeast and Hispaniola as the 
coordinator for Mountain Birdwatch, before she went on to earn her 
Masters degree studying the impacts of climate change on Cassia 
Crossbill in southern Idaho. After spending several years abroad, she is now 
the Project Coordinator for the third Breeding Bird Atlas in NY. She also 
serves as the co-chair of the North American Ornithological Atlas Committee.  
Colleen Richards Corresponding Secretary Cayuga Bird Club Cayuga Bird Club 
meetings are held on the second Monday of each month, September through June, 
and are free and open to the public.  We will attempt to make presentations 
available virtually as a recording posted a few days later, on our YouTube 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Geo Kloppel]

Peregrines (and Ravens too) sometimes nest on buildings, bridges, and other structures in the vicinity of artificial lights. But those individuals have chosen those sites, and they are accustomed to the lights. I think the potential for harm to the birds nesting in the dark Taughannock gorge is concentrated in the suddenness and surprise of turning spotlights upon them. Especially tough for the Ravens, whose nest is right above the falls!If it was my decision, I wouldn’t risk it at this season. But if it’s really beyond cancelling, I suppose it might help to turn on the lights early, _before_ darkness settles in the gorge. Also to direct the spots solely upon the falls itself, and not flood the Raven’s nest and the whole amphitheater with light. There will already be quite a bit of moonlight those evenings. I know I want to be there, not to see the spotlights but to observe the reaction of  the incubating females.-GeoOn Apr 14, 2024, at 1:16 PM, Deb Grantham  wrote:







So what do we do?
 
Deb
 
 


From: bounce-128145578-83565...@list.cornell.edu 
On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 12:07 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?


 

Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).


 


Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.


 


















Go
 for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at Taughannock Falls
mytwintiers.com











 






On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher  wrote:




I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some
 kind of PR stunt to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the falls—not mention
 all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. Allen)



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Kevin C Packard]

Though, Sandy, I do see them listed as endangered for NY according to the DEC. 
Perhaps someone who knows wildlife laws here in NY could speak to this.

https://dec.ny.gov/nature/animals-fish-plants/biodiversity-species-conservation/endangered-species/lists
List Of Endangered, Threatened And Special Concern Fish & Wildlife Species Of 
New York 
State
New York State's Endangered, Threatened and Special Concern Species List
dec.ny.gov




Kevin




From: bounce-128145693-86653...@list.cornell.edu 
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Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 1:51 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L ; Sandy Podulka 

Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Interesting thought, but I don't think peregrine falcons are listed as 
endangered under the ESA.

Best,

Kevin







From: bounce-128145688-86653...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Sandy Podulka 

Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 1:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?

At 10:15 AM 4/14/2024, Tim Gallagher wrote:
I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park.. There certainly should 
be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. 
Allen)

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Do we know where the lights will be? Will they light up the nest? I know someone at the Parks office and will try to contact them to see what’s possible.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 14, 2024, at 1:46 PM, Sandy Podulka  wrote:

Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?
At 10:15 AM 4/14/2024, Tim Gallagher wrote:
I heard some disturbing news
last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be brightly illuminated
from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night
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the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to
hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right
beside the falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park.. There
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Kevin C Packard]

Interesting thought, but I don't think peregrine falcons are listed as 
endangered under the ESA.

Best,

Kevin







From: bounce-128145688-86653...@list.cornell.edu 
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Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 1:46 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?

At 10:15 AM 4/14/2024, Tim Gallagher wrote:
I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
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be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Sandy Podulka]

Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?

At 10:15 AM 4/14/2024, Tim Gallagher wrote:
>I heard some disturbing news last night. 
>Apparently Taughannock Falls will be brightly 
>illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming 
>Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night (April 18, 
>19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR 
>stunt to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the 
>New York State Park Service, but it couldn’t 
>possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs 
>just about to hatch in the Peregrine Falcon 
>eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside 
>the falls—not mention all the other wildlife in 
>the park.. There certainly should be other, less 
>potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park 
>Service. You can contact the Taughannock Park 
>office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. Allen)
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Deb Grantham]

So what do we do?

Deb


From: bounce-128145578-83565...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 12:07 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in 
Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb 
the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).

Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also the 
Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark hikes up 
the gorge trail to the lighted falls.

[cid:image001.jpg@01DA8E6D.ECFEC530]
Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at 
Taughannock 
Falls
mytwintiers.com



On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher 
mailto:t...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be 
other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. 
Allen)
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Geo Kloppel]

Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at Taughannock Fallsmytwintiers.comOn Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher  wrote:I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. Allen)
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[cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Tim Gallagher]

I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be 
other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. 
Allen)

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[cayugabirds-l] Watch "Basic Shorebird Identification w/ Kenn Kaufman" on YouTube

[Peter Saracino]

It's getting to be that time of year again. So, in case you need a
refresher course.
Pete Saracino/NY State Master Naturalist Volunteer

https://youtu.be/NOPSGU7z-xI?si=0afvg7KfG71K6dLx

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