Recently, I found 2 dead crows near each other.  I was surprised to find this.  
Is this unusual?



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From: Linda Orkin <wingmagi...@gmail.com>
To: Sue Rakow <sue.ra...@gmail.com>
Cc: Anne Clark <anneb.cl...@gmail.com>; cayugabirds <Cayugabirds-L@cornell.edu>
Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Crows on South Hill




Sue, thanks for enjoying the list and for being so eager to learn.  All of us 
who admire, respect and enjoy crows are trying to retire the collective noun of 
"murder" as it can either imply that crows are evil or that they should be 
murdered.  Another term could be Congress of crows (which in this day and age 
can also be pejorative) or can also be a Muster.  Which would seem appropriate 
especially at this time of year as they gather or when they all raucously mob a 
Great-horned Owl.  I like Muster, the definition is apropos.  


Keep watching!!!


Linda Orkin

Ithaca, NY




On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Sue Rakow <sue.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is very helpful information! Thank  you so much for the complete picture. 
I am learning so much from being on this list serve. I am very grateful!
Sue Rakow





On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Anne Clark <anneb.cl...@gmail.com> wrote:

These groups are "winter roosts", and they are nothing new in crow life.  
Despite what urban residents sometimes think, crows didn't start gathering when 
we set out cities for them to use.  Roosting in groups at any time of year may 
offer safety in numbers from night predators, such as Great Horned Owls.  


In winter, birds living in northern areas that usually have constant snow cover 
for months do migrate south--Canada, areas of New England.  Crows don't 
necessarily have a particular area they migrate TO.  They may go as far as an 
area that is usually ok for foraging, perhaps one that they are familiar with 
from previous migrations.  There they form flocks that are made up of migrants 
as well as wide-foraging locals.  If it gets unusually snowy and cold, they may 
move further south.  (We really don't know much of the repeat migratory routes 
of individual crows.  We do know that birds tagged in Ithaca in winter are then 
seen on territories in Canada, VT, New Hampshire in summer, and that some birds 
RAISED in Ithaca have been observed or shot in winter, in such places as 
Maryland, West VA, and Pennsylvania, as well as in Cortland, Auburn, Geneva)


In the winter flocks, birds are foraging in open fields and off familiar areas. 
 During foraging, flocks offer some safety in numbers to detect predators in 
day (hawks, hunters, whatever).  At night the flocks "flock up" still more in 
places that offer "good roosting sites", which probably includes wind breaks, 
places from which owls can be detected at night. So they are probably gathering 
both for safety in numbers and also because they all agree on what makes a good 
site.  Cities may offer fewer predators, but also the lights may allow them to 
see the predators.  Finally roosting in flocks that include birds that have 
sampled food sources widely may allow birds to find new food sources, perhaps 
by following the most assured and directed birds leaving the roost.


So--Upstate NY has its own crows and is ideally positioned for northern 
crows--so flocks become big.  They like the agricultural fields interspersed 
with trees and lots of running water sources (which may be important in cold 
winters)...and we also offer lots of smaller cities, with large groups of lit 
trees in their downtowns or college campuses. These seem to be attractive.


Mid-late March is the start of the breeding season and flocking crows will be 
returning to their breeding latitudes.  Our Ithaca pairs are already calling on 
territory during daytimes.


As I say, some of this story is surmised from the patterns, not pinned down 
with hard data on individuals!  We know what our tagged birds do, when we can 
follow them.  But we would love to have gps data coming in from our birds, such 
as the snowy owls and golden eagles give their researchers.  Bring on the Tiny 
Tags!


Anne



On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Sue Rakow wrote:




I observed the murder of crows on Sunday evening. It was stunning. I would like 
to know more about why they gather in such large groups. Are they on the move 
or are they local? Can anyone help me understand?
Thanks.
Sue Rakow


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