Re: [ccp4bb] Maprot question.

2012-09-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You could use COOT to do the map rotation - then the parameters seem to work

The conventions should be the same. I thought but I can't really speak for COOT.
If you look at the CCP4 documentation for MAPROT, and use the Superpose 
molecules GUI task to fit A to B using lsqkab - that gives you a matrix which 
should be OK for MAPROT. Check it against the COOt output
Eleanor

There is 
On 26 Sep 2012, at 01:19, Niu Tou wrote:

 Dear Colleagues,
  
 Does anybody know if the definition of rotation parameters in Maprot are 
 different from that of Coot? I used Coot to superimpose a model A to model B, 
 to get a new model A* and rotation parameters (Euler angles and 
 translations), howerver when I used these parameters to move the original map 
 with Maprot, the new map did not fit with model A*. I tried the 3x3 matrix 
 and translations, it did not work either. I wonder if there is any different 
 from these two prgrams? 
  
 Thanks!
 Niu 


[ccp4bb] map sharpening

2012-09-26 Thread Andreas Förster

Dear all,

a follow-up to yesterday's question about map sharpening.  The problem 
was that the sharpened maps aren't displayed in coot, but this is not 
coot's fault, as can be seen from the output:


regular map:

making conventional map from MTZ filename unsharp.mtz using FWT PHWT
Number of OBSERVED reflections: 34725
INFO:: finding ASU unique map points with sampling rate 1.5
INFO grid sampling...Nuvw = ( 128, 128, 384)
INFO:: 0.086 seconds to read MTZ file
INFO:: 0.002 seconds to initialize map
INFO:: 0.305 seconds for FFT
INFO:: 0.013 seconds for statistics
  Map mean:  -1.4987e-06
  Map sigma: ... 0.0957995
  Map maximum: . 0.629714
  Map minimum: . -0.606727
INFO:: 0.026 seconds for contour map
INFO:: 0.432 seconds in total

sharpened map:
(as above, except:)

  Map mean:  0
  Map sigma: ... 0
  Map maximum: . 0
  Map minimum: . 0


These mtz files are generated identically, zero rounds of refinement in 
Refmac 5.7 (from ccp4 6.3.0) with sharpening disabled or enabled (B 
value = 5, 20, 60, 200).  There are no features in the sharpened maps.  Why?


When I don't specify a B value for map sharpening, it is calculated to 
61 and the resulting map displays just fine.



Andreas




On 25/09/2012 11:52, Robert Nicholls wrote:

Hi Andreas,

In your case, it sounds like a reasonable strategy would be to use external 
restraints for a few rounds of refinement (as you have done), but then release 
them and instead use jelly-body restraints. This two-stage process will help to 
initially hold your model in a sensible conformation using external restraints, 
but then gently release the structure in order to reduce further bias in later 
rounds. The immediate subsequent use of jelly-body restraints after external 
restraints will ensure that the model won't deviate too far from that sensible 
conformation, unless the data suggests otherwise.

Of course, if certain regions lose their sensible conformations in subsequent 
rounds of refinement, you can continue to use external restraints just in these 
regions.


I substantially rebuilt a surface loop that I don't want to restrain by the 
model.



In this case, I would recommend re-generating the external restraints, this 
time telling ProSMART not to generate restraints for these particular 
residues/regions. This can be done using the -restrain and -restrain_rm 
keywords, as described in the documentation (let me know off-board if you want 
help with this).

If you enable map sharpening then the single output MTZ file should be the 
sharpened map… I'm not sure why you are finding that the map is not displayed… 
do you see any difference between enabling/disabling map sharpening?

Cheers,
Rob




--
Andreas Förster, Research Associate
Paul Freemont  Xiaodong Zhang Labs
Department of Biochemistry, Imperial College London
http://www.msf.bio.ic.ac.uk


[ccp4bb] Refmac- solvent mask

2012-09-26 Thread Kiran Kulkarni
Dear CCP4 users,

Is it possible to specify a solvent mask to the refmac ?

Many thanks in advance for your time and help.

Regards,
-Kiran 

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac- solvent mask

2012-09-26 Thread James Holton
Yes, it's called a partial structure.  You input the mask as
structure factors and call them FPART in the refmac LABIN input.
http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/docs/keywords/xray-principal.html#labin_fparti_phiparti

Then enable refining the scale and B factor of the partial structure:
http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/docs/keywords/xray-general.html#scpa
pay attention to the scale and B assigned to the partial structure in
the refmac log.  If it blows up (or down) then something is wrong.

Also, don't forget to turn off the built-in solvent with SOLVENT NO
when you do this.
http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/docs/keywords/xray-principal.html#solv

You can actually add multiple partial structures and scale them
independently, but in my hands things start to get crazy if you have
more than 2.

-James Holton
MAD Scientist

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Kiran Kulkarni
dr.kirankulka...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Dear CCP4 users,

 Is it possible to specify a solvent mask to the refmac ?

 Many thanks in advance for your time and help.

 Regards,
 -Kiran