[ccp4bb] Difference Map in COOT - Possible lignad but clash with structure?

2007-12-28 Thread Brenda Patterson

Hello,

I am fairly new to this lark so please forgive me if this question is unclear,
but it is really puzzling me.

I have used phaser to generate a molecular replacement structure of my target
(which has 100% identity to my template) and this particular crystal I had
soaked with a ligand.

I have a density in my difference map which resembles my ligand.  The 
thing is,

it overlaps the density map of my structure and if I were to place the ligand
in that map, then there would be a steric clash.  Obviously I would expect the
ligand to be near to the structure, but not overlapping it?  I am 
uncertain how

to proceed?

Any helpful suggestions please?


Thanks in advance

Brenda


Re: [ccp4bb] Difference Map in COOT - Possible lignad but clash with structure?

2007-12-28 Thread David Briggs
Covalent modification?? Bias in 2fo-fc map?

Can you show us a pic of offending density?

Dave

On 28/12/2007, Brenda Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 I am fairly new to this lark so please forgive me if this question is
 unclear,
 but it is really puzzling me.

 I have used phaser to generate a molecular replacement structure of my
 target
 (which has 100% identity to my template) and this particular crystal I had
 soaked with a ligand.

 I have a density in my difference map which resembles my ligand.  The
 thing is,
 it overlaps the density map of my structure and if I were to place the
 ligand
 in that map, then there would be a steric clash.  Obviously I would expect
 the
 ligand to be near to the structure, but not overlapping it?  I am
 uncertain how
 to proceed?

 Any helpful suggestions please?


 Thanks in advance

 Brenda




-- 

David C. Briggs PhD
Father  Crystallographer
http://www.dbriggs.talktalk.net
AIM ID: dbassophile



Re: [ccp4bb] Difference Map in COOT - Possible lignad but clash with structure?

2007-12-28 Thread Artem Evdokimov
What's the resolution? At low res it is possible to miss a subtle movement
of e.g. some sidechains which are being replaced by the ligand. What quality
parameters did the MR have? Can you omit the entire ligand binding site,
refine, and re-generate the map - what does it look like after that?

A picture would help!

Artem

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Subject: [ccp4bb] Difference Map in COOT - Possible lignad but clash with
structure?

Hello,

I am fairly new to this lark so please forgive me if this question is
unclear,
but it is really puzzling me.

I have used phaser to generate a molecular replacement structure of my
target
(which has 100% identity to my template) and this particular crystal I had
soaked with a ligand.

I have a density in my difference map which resembles my ligand.  The 
thing is,
it overlaps the density map of my structure and if I were to place the
ligand
in that map, then there would be a steric clash.  Obviously I would expect
the
ligand to be near to the structure, but not overlapping it?  I am 
uncertain how
to proceed?

Any helpful suggestions please?


Thanks in advance

Brenda


Re: [ccp4bb] Difference Map in COOT - Possible lignad but clash with structure?

2007-12-28 Thread Lijun Liu
There is another possibility that your ligand is not fully occupied,  
if the binding site of protein endures an apparent change when bound  
by ligand.  Lijun


On Dec 28, 2007, at 7:55 AM, Brenda Patterson wrote:


Hello,

I am fairly new to this lark so please forgive me if this question  
is unclear,

but it is really puzzling me.

I have used phaser to generate a molecular replacement structure of  
my target
(which has 100% identity to my template) and this particular  
crystal I had

soaked with a ligand.

I have a density in my difference map which resembles my ligand.   
The thing is,
it overlaps the density map of my structure and if I were to place  
the ligand
in that map, then there would be a steric clash.  Obviously I would  
expect the
ligand to be near to the structure, but not overlapping it?  I am  
uncertain how

to proceed?

Any helpful suggestions please?


Thanks in advance

Brenda


Lijun Liu, PhD
Institute of Molecular Biology
HHMI  Department of Physics
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403
541-346-4080




Re: [ccp4bb] Difference Map in COOT - Possible lignad but clash with structure?

2007-12-28 Thread William Scott
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:55:39 +
Brenda Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I am fairly new to this lark 

No problem.  With a name like Patterson, your future is guaranteed (unless of 
course you see everything in the world with intensity but no phase).
 
 I have a density in my difference map which resembles my ligand.  The 
 thing is,
 it overlaps the density map of my structure and if I were to place the 
ligand
 in that map, then there would be a steric clash.  ... how
 to proceed?
 
The best thing to do at this point is to refine your structure while omitting 
the residues involved in the potential steric clash. The ligand may bind by 
induced fit -- i.e., changing the conformation at the binding site from that of 
the original structure. When you do that, the density that comes back will be 
less biased, and the answer to how it fits together may be apparent at that 
point.