Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 06:37 -0700, William G. Scott wrote: If you update to 10.7, keep a clone of 10.6 just in case it drives you nuts. There are all sorts of perverse changes, and (unlike the reversal in scrolling direction) not a lot of over-ride options. I guess this is one of them: How Apple's Lion won't let you trash documents The operating system for the nanny state? http://www.reghardware.com/2011/09/07/apple_mac_os_x_lion_the_nanny_os/ One of the reasons why I'm sticking with Snow Lepoard for now Regards, Peter. -- Peter Keller Tel.: +44 (0)1223 353033 Global Phasing Ltd., Fax.: +44 (0)1223 366889 Sheraton House, Castle Park, Cambridge CB3 0AX United Kingdom
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
I've bitched enough about all things Mac, but this one's just too good to pass on (from the article that Peter linked to): The fundamental issue here is Lion's assumption that you don't know what you're doing, and it's going to ensure you're protected from cock-ups that, in your ignorance, you may make. The first half of that sentence has always been my major gripe with Mac OS. If there just were a Pro version for those that know what they're doing, but the iPadification of computing goes exactly the opposite way. Andreas On 19/09/2011 9:58, Peter Keller wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 06:37 -0700, William G. Scott wrote: If you update to 10.7, keep a clone of 10.6 just in case it drives you nuts. There are all sorts of perverse changes, and (unlike the reversal in scrolling direction) not a lot of over-ride options. I guess this is one of them: How Apple's Lion won't let you trash documents The operating system for the nanny state? http://www.reghardware.com/2011/09/07/apple_mac_os_x_lion_the_nanny_os/ One of the reasons why I'm sticking with Snow Lepoard for now Regards, Peter. -- Andreas Förster, Research Associate Paul Freemont Xiaodong Zhang Labs Department of Biochemistry, Imperial College London http://www.msf.bio.ic.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Listening to Jobs speak recently, I got the distinct impression that the end of the era of general desktop computers PC's may be on the horizon. Of course that's iPad sales rhetoric, but it may be that the public moves away from general computers and that surely will have implications for scientific computing. Richard On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Andreas Förster wrote: I've bitched enough about all things Mac, but this one's just too good to pass on (from the article that Peter linked to): The fundamental issue here is Lion's assumption that you don't know what you're doing, and it's going to ensure you're protected from cock-ups that, in your ignorance, you may make. The first half of that sentence has always been my major gripe with Mac OS. If there just were a Pro version for those that know what they're doing, but the iPadification of computing goes exactly the opposite way. Andreas
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Of course this has to be the case. I think most of us walk around with with mobile phones that have memory and processing power more powerful than all of the computers available before 1990. Some of the things that seem difficult in Lion and are nanny-state-ish such as automatic file versioning (not that I am running Lion yet, mind) - well is it the case that all of the experts on the CCP4BB have _never_ deleted a file they didn't mean to delete? _Never_ had Word (O, Coot) crash taking with it 6 hours worth of changes that should have been saved but weren't? If so, I feel humbled because I have made these mistakes and more. Adrian On 19 Sep 2011, at 14:31, Richard Gillilan wrote: Listening to Jobs speak recently, I got the distinct impression that the end of the era of general desktop computers PC's may be on the horizon. Of course that's iPad sales rhetoric, but it may be that the public moves away from general computers and that surely will have implications for scientific computing. Richard On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Andreas Förster wrote: I've bitched enough about all things Mac, but this one's just too good to pass on (from the article that Peter linked to): The fundamental issue here is Lion's assumption that you don't know what you're doing, and it's going to ensure you're protected from cock-ups that, in your ignorance, you may make. The first half of that sentence has always been my major gripe with Mac OS. If there just were a Pro version for those that know what they're doing, but the iPadification of computing goes exactly the opposite way. Andreas
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 14:39 +0300, Adrian Goldman wrote: Of course this has to be the case. I think most of us walk around with with mobile phones that have memory and processing power more powerful than all of the computers available before 1990. Some of the things that seem difficult in Lion and are nanny-state-ish such as automatic file versioning (not that I am running Lion yet, mind) - well is it the case that all of the experts on the CCP4BB have _never_ deleted a file they didn't mean to delete? _Never_ had Word (O, Coot) crash taking with it 6 hours worth of changes that should have been saved but weren't? If so, I feel humbled because I have made these mistakes and more. Adrian There is nothing nanny-state-ish (or indeed new) about automatic file versioning. VMS (which was the major operating system that CCP4 targetted in the pre-Unix days) had it in the 1980's and I don't recall anyone moaning about it at the time. As you say, it could be a lifesaver if you overwrote something by mistake. VMS allowed you to purge old versions completely though, whereas Lion doesn't: that is the difference. Regards, Peter. -- Peter Keller Tel.: +44 (0)1223 353033 Global Phasing Ltd., Fax.: +44 (0)1223 366889 Sheraton House, Castle Park, Cambridge CB3 0AX United Kingdom
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
I use my MBP with external screen, keyboard mouse all the time. The new ones are fast, mine should easily cope with Lion My question about Lion was because 1. on the one hand as far as I can see Bill Scott only builds latest stand-alone Coots (0.7...) for Lion, and these don't work on 10.6 (is this true Bill?) 2. on the other hand, I had a report that ccp4mg doesn't work on Lion (is that true Stuart?) and I need both of these (and don't fancy building either myself) Phil (still on 10.6) On 11 Sep 2011, at 17:55, Sean Seaver wrote: Dear Herbert, I've come across quite a few people that are using mac books as their main development computer. This site ( http://usesthis.com/ ) can be an good way to learn about various setups. A popular trend seems to be using a mac book along with the apple thunderbolt display for more screen real estate. Take Care, Sean Seaver P212121 http://store.p212121.com/
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Dear Phil (and everyone): 1. I've now got automated build systems for coot for 10.7.1 and 10.6.8. I just haven't had a chance to get the 10.6.8 one on line. I'll try to do this today. (Also, the last few haven't build due to a change in the code with which the compiler can't cope, but hopefully that will be a thing of the past soon.) 2. Most things build on 10.6.X will run on 10.7.X. I haven't opened ccp4mg, but will give it a try after I wake up. 3. I've had trouble with stereo on coot with 10.7.1, but, oddly, the problem goes away if I have a second monitor. If you update to 10.7, keep a clone of 10.6 just in case it drives you nuts. There are all sorts of perverse changes, and (unlike the reversal in scrolling direction) not a lot of over-ride options. I guess this is a glimpse of the post-Jobs era, albeit one provided from an inconvenient vista. Peace and joy, Bill On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:33 AM, William G. Scott wrote: Dear Phil (and everyone): 1. I've now got automated build systems for coot for 10.7.1 and 10.6.8. I just haven't had a chance to get the 10.6.8 one on line. I'll try to do this today. (Also, the last few haven't build due to a change in the code with which the compiler can't cope, but hopefully that will be a thing of the past soon.) 2. Most things build on 10.6.X will run on 10.7.X. I haven't opened ccp4mg, but will give it a try after I wake up. 3. I've had trouble with stereo on coot with 10.7.1, but, oddly, the problem goes away if I have a second monitor. If you update to 10.7, keep a clone of 10.6 just in case it drives you nuts. There are all sorts of perverse changes, and (unlike the reversal in scrolling direction) not a lot of over-ride options. I guess this is a glimpse of the post-Jobs era, albeit one provided from an inconvenient vista. Peace and joy, Bill On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Phil Evans wrote: I use my MBP with external screen, keyboard mouse all the time. The new ones are fast, mine should easily cope with Lion My question about Lion was because 1. on the one hand as far as I can see Bill Scott only builds latest stand-alone Coots (0.7...) for Lion, and these don't work on 10.6 (is this true Bill?) 2. on the other hand, I had a report that ccp4mg doesn't work on Lion (is that true Stuart?) and I need both of these (and don't fancy building either myself) Phil (still on 10.6) On 11 Sep 2011, at 17:55, Sean Seaver wrote: Dear Herbert, I've come across quite a few people that are using mac books as their main development computer. This site ( http://usesthis.com/ ) can be an good way to learn about various setups. A popular trend seems to be using a mac book along with the apple thunderbolt display for more screen real estate. Take Care, Sean Seaver P212121 http://store.p212121.com/
Re: [ccp4bb] Crystypos [WAS: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion]
Well in fact, it all depends on the type of detector these small angels end up on and on the speed of this godly radiation. Only once you have considered both these elements can you say poor little things. My 2p worth. Fred. Ed Pozharski wrote: The best X-ray related typo I ever seen was the Small angel scattering - poor little things! On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 18:23 -0400, Patrick Loll wrote: Still doesn't beat my all-time favorite, an early Microsoft spell-checker that changed diffract to defrocked. I forgot to mention how delightful the spelling auto-correction feature can be. (It should have read nothing unusual in and of itself). That, at least, can be turned off.
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Regarding MBP versus MBA, one of my graduate students just got a new MBA and her machine is much faster than my MBP 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 4 GB RAM. Both machines are running Lion. The new MBA is hot, only disadvantage you can't lock it down, there's no option for it. Jürgen On Sep 10, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Herbert J. Bernstein wrote: Dear Colleagues, Lion is an reality all developers have to live with. While I agree that it would be a bad idea to update one's primary development environment to Lion, it does seem a good idea to have at least one system with sufficient memory, disk and good enough graphics and the new UI (user interface) to be able to wring out problems, especially on the UI side. So the question is: Is a new MacBook Pro or new MacBook Air sufficient for such testing, or is something heftier with a studio display necessary? Regards, Herbert At 10:26 AM +0100 9/10/11, harry powell wrote: Hi My two ha'porth. If you are thinking of upgrading your sole Mac software development box to Lion I'd say don't do it unless you like a lot of pain. Anything built on Snow Leopard should run okay on Lion (my Tiger builds seem okay on 10.4, 10.5, 10.6...), so unless you really have an over-riding need to move to 10.7, I'd hang fire. If you're only running applications and not developing, you can always shout at the developers if things go wrong. My plan is to install Lion on a spare bootable disk and see what happens - if all else fails, at least I can ignore the upgrade until Apple release 10.7.1, 10.7.2, etc and fix most of their screw-ups. On 10 Sep 2011, at 08:03, Jacques-Philippe Colletier wrote: Hi, Overall, the transition from 10.6 is seemingless, crystallographically-wise. Of course you need to have the new XCode 4.1 installed, and you should also download new, 10.7-dedicated 64bits gcc/gfortran/g77 bundles from http://hpc.sourceforge.net/ And then, CNS, Phenix, CCP4, etc... will just run perfect. I had to reinstall Coot -- but that's minor. (Mac)Pymol also works fine, yet (for some reason) uses a lot of resources even when idle. As per the Upsalla Soft. Factory programs, you'll have to recompile then using the above mentioned bundles, or get already compiled binaries from Mark Harris. You'll also need to recompile Gromacs (and fftw3) if you're using it -- but it then works great. I agree with W. Scott on the fact that the new OS is really greedy in terms of resources. I surely wont upgrade my other, older mac computers that run just fine on 10.6. But if you have a new Mac, Lion is is really neat. Best Jacques Le Sep 10, 2011 à 2:09 AM, William Scott a écrit : Hi Phil: I've found few, if any advantages. I fear for the future. I've had problems getting coot to run stereo due to the X11 implementation in 10.7. Apart from that, no major problems with crystallographic software. Lion greedily uses memory, and any computer I have with less than 4 gig of memory has become extremely sluggish as a consequence of the upgrade. Ideally, you need 8 gig. Even with that, on my 2010 mini that I use for music playback, I regressed to 10.6.8, because of the audio interface. (It seems less robust, more prone to dropouts and now lacks integer mode output). Sara has been screaming at me for the last two weeks (nothing us usual in of itself) because Apple decided to get rid of Save As. Xcode and the compiler set is free again on 10.7. I've put some suggestions here for how to get rid of the most annoying new features: http://sage.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/xtal/wiki/index.php/Lion_upgrade_notes All the best, Bill On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:28 AM, Phil Evans wrote: Is there any opinion or experience about whether Lion is ready for crystallographic use? Should I upgrade? Phil William G. Scott Contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/ Harry -- Dr Harry Powell, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 0QH -- = Herbert J. Bernstein, Professor of Computer Science Dowling College, Kramer Science Center, KSC 121 Idle Hour Blvd, Oakdale, NY, 11769 +1-631-244-3035 y...@dowling.edumailto:y...@dowling.edu = .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Office: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-2926 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Dear Herbert, I've come across quite a few people that are using mac books as their main development computer. This site ( http://usesthis.com/ ) can be an good way to learn about various setups. A popular trend seems to be using a mac book along with the apple thunderbolt display for more screen real estate. Take Care, Sean Seaver P212121 http://store.p212121.com/
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Hi, Overall, the transition from 10.6 is seemingless, crystallographically-wise. Of course you need to have the new XCode 4.1 installed, and you should also download new, 10.7-dedicated 64bits gcc/gfortran/g77 bundles from http://hpc.sourceforge.net/ And then, CNS, Phenix, CCP4, etc... will just run perfect. I had to reinstall Coot -- but that's minor. (Mac)Pymol also works fine, yet (for some reason) uses a lot of resources even when idle. As per the Upsalla Soft. Factory programs, you'll have to recompile then using the above mentioned bundles, or get already compiled binaries from Mark Harris. You'll also need to recompile Gromacs (and fftw3) if you're using it -- but it then works great. I agree with W. Scott on the fact that the new OS is really greedy in terms of resources. I surely wont upgrade my other, older mac computers that run just fine on 10.6. But if you have a new Mac, Lion is is really neat. Best Jacques Le Sep 10, 2011 à 2:09 AM, William Scott a écrit : Hi Phil: I've found few, if any advantages. I fear for the future. I've had problems getting coot to run stereo due to the X11 implementation in 10.7. Apart from that, no major problems with crystallographic software. Lion greedily uses memory, and any computer I have with less than 4 gig of memory has become extremely sluggish as a consequence of the upgrade. Ideally, you need 8 gig. Even with that, on my 2010 mini that I use for music playback, I regressed to 10.6.8, because of the audio interface. (It seems less robust, more prone to dropouts and now lacks integer mode output). Sara has been screaming at me for the last two weeks (nothing us usual in of itself) because Apple decided to get rid of Save As. Xcode and the compiler set is free again on 10.7. I've put some suggestions here for how to get rid of the most annoying new features: http://sage.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/xtal/wiki/index.php/Lion_upgrade_notes All the best, Bill On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:28 AM, Phil Evans wrote: Is there any opinion or experience about whether Lion is ready for crystallographic use? Should I upgrade? Phil William G. Scott Contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Hi My two ha'porth. If you are thinking of upgrading your sole Mac software development box to Lion I'd say don't do it unless you like a lot of pain. Anything built on Snow Leopard should run okay on Lion (my Tiger builds seem okay on 10.4, 10.5, 10.6...), so unless you really have an over-riding need to move to 10.7, I'd hang fire. If you're only running applications and not developing, you can always shout at the developers if things go wrong. My plan is to install Lion on a spare bootable disk and see what happens - if all else fails, at least I can ignore the upgrade until Apple release 10.7.1, 10.7.2, etc and fix most of their screw-ups. On 10 Sep 2011, at 08:03, Jacques-Philippe Colletier wrote: Hi, Overall, the transition from 10.6 is seemingless, crystallographically-wise. Of course you need to have the new XCode 4.1 installed, and you should also download new, 10.7-dedicated 64bits gcc/gfortran/g77 bundles from http://hpc.sourceforge.net/ And then, CNS, Phenix, CCP4, etc... will just run perfect. I had to reinstall Coot -- but that's minor. (Mac)Pymol also works fine, yet (for some reason) uses a lot of resources even when idle. As per the Upsalla Soft. Factory programs, you'll have to recompile then using the above mentioned bundles, or get already compiled binaries from Mark Harris. You'll also need to recompile Gromacs (and fftw3) if you're using it -- but it then works great. I agree with W. Scott on the fact that the new OS is really greedy in terms of resources. I surely wont upgrade my other, older mac computers that run just fine on 10.6. But if you have a new Mac, Lion is is really neat. Best Jacques Le Sep 10, 2011 à 2:09 AM, William Scott a écrit : Hi Phil: I've found few, if any advantages. I fear for the future. I've had problems getting coot to run stereo due to the X11 implementation in 10.7. Apart from that, no major problems with crystallographic software. Lion greedily uses memory, and any computer I have with less than 4 gig of memory has become extremely sluggish as a consequence of the upgrade. Ideally, you need 8 gig. Even with that, on my 2010 mini that I use for music playback, I regressed to 10.6.8, because of the audio interface. (It seems less robust, more prone to dropouts and now lacks integer mode output). Sara has been screaming at me for the last two weeks (nothing us usual in of itself) because Apple decided to get rid of Save As. Xcode and the compiler set is free again on 10.7. I've put some suggestions here for how to get rid of the most annoying new features: http://sage.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/xtal/wiki/index.php/Lion_upgrade_notes All the best, Bill On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:28 AM, Phil Evans wrote: Is there any opinion or experience about whether Lion is ready for crystallographic use? Should I upgrade? Phil William G. Scott Contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/ Harry -- Dr Harry Powell, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 0QH
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
One really nice feature though comes with what Bill's wife hates. No worries about saving an edited file in many programs. The background versioning is great no more needs of having my_manuscript_###1.doc :-) one file to handle them all. And you can go back to older versions of course. The only disturbing feature about this integrated auto backup is sometimes your Mac goes idle before you can typebecause it is saving another version. This is particularly annoying when you edit large Keynote files. Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Phone: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-3655 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/ On Sep 10, 2011, at 5:26, harry powell ha...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: Hi My two ha'porth. If you are thinking of upgrading your sole Mac software development box to Lion I'd say don't do it unless you like a lot of pain. Anything built on Snow Leopard should run okay on Lion (my Tiger builds seem okay on 10.4, 10.5, 10.6...), so unless you really have an over-riding need to move to 10.7, I'd hang fire. If you're only running applications and not developing, you can always shout at the developers if things go wrong. My plan is to install Lion on a spare bootable disk and see what happens - if all else fails, at least I can ignore the upgrade until Apple release 10.7.1, 10.7.2, etc and fix most of their screw-ups. On 10 Sep 2011, at 08:03, Jacques-Philippe Colletier wrote: Hi, Overall, the transition from 10.6 is seemingless, crystallographically-wise. Of course you need to have the new XCode 4.1 installed, and you should also download new, 10.7-dedicated 64bits gcc/gfortran/g77 bundles from http://hpc.sourceforge.net/ And then, CNS, Phenix, CCP4, etc... will just run perfect. I had to reinstall Coot -- but that's minor. (Mac)Pymol also works fine, yet (for some reason) uses a lot of resources even when idle. As per the Upsalla Soft. Factory programs, you'll have to recompile then using the above mentioned bundles, or get already compiled binaries from Mark Harris. You'll also need to recompile Gromacs (and fftw3) if you're using it -- but it then works great. I agree with W. Scott on the fact that the new OS is really greedy in terms of resources. I surely wont upgrade my other, older mac computers that run just fine on 10.6. But if you have a new Mac, Lion is is really neat. Best Jacques Le Sep 10, 2011 à 2:09 AM, William Scott a écrit : Hi Phil: I've found few, if any advantages. I fear for the future. I've had problems getting coot to run stereo due to the X11 implementation in 10.7. Apart from that, no major problems with crystallographic software. Lion greedily uses memory, and any computer I have with less than 4 gig of memory has become extremely sluggish as a consequence of the upgrade. Ideally, you need 8 gig. Even with that, on my 2010 mini that I use for music playback, I regressed to 10.6.8, because of the audio interface. (It seems less robust, more prone to dropouts and now lacks integer mode output). Sara has been screaming at me for the last two weeks (nothing us usual in of itself) because Apple decided to get rid of Save As. Xcode and the compiler set is free again on 10.7. I've put some suggestions here for how to get rid of the most annoying new features: http://sage.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/xtal/wiki/index.php/Lion_upgrade_notes All the best, Bill On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:28 AM, Phil Evans wrote: Is there any opinion or experience about whether Lion is ready for crystallographic use? Should I upgrade? Phil William G. Scott Contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/ Harry -- Dr Harry Powell, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 0QH
Re: [ccp4bb] Crystypos [WAS: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion]
The best X-ray related typo I ever seen was the Small angel scattering - poor little things! On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 18:23 -0400, Patrick Loll wrote: Still doesn't beat my all-time favorite, an early Microsoft spell-checker that changed diffract to defrocked. I forgot to mention how delightful the spelling auto-correction feature can be. (It should have read nothing unusual in and of itself). That, at least, can be turned off.
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Dear Colleagues, Lion is an reality all developers have to live with. While I agree that it would be a bad idea to update one's primary development environment to Lion, it does seem a good idea to have at least one system with sufficient memory, disk and good enough graphics and the new UI (user interface) to be able to wring out problems, especially on the UI side. So the question is: Is a new MacBook Pro or new MacBook Air sufficient for such testing, or is something heftier with a studio display necessary? Regards, Herbert At 10:26 AM +0100 9/10/11, harry powell wrote: Hi My two ha'porth. If you are thinking of upgrading your sole Mac software development box to Lion I'd say don't do it unless you like a lot of pain. Anything built on Snow Leopard should run okay on Lion (my Tiger builds seem okay on 10.4, 10.5, 10.6...), so unless you really have an over-riding need to move to 10.7, I'd hang fire. If you're only running applications and not developing, you can always shout at the developers if things go wrong. My plan is to install Lion on a spare bootable disk and see what happens - if all else fails, at least I can ignore the upgrade until Apple release 10.7.1, 10.7.2, etc and fix most of their screw-ups. On 10 Sep 2011, at 08:03, Jacques-Philippe Colletier wrote: Hi, Overall, the transition from 10.6 is seemingless, crystallographically-wise. Of course you need to have the new XCode 4.1 installed, and you should also download new, 10.7-dedicated 64bits gcc/gfortran/g77 bundles from http://hpc.sourceforge.net/ And then, CNS, Phenix, CCP4, etc... will just run perfect. I had to reinstall Coot -- but that's minor. (Mac)Pymol also works fine, yet (for some reason) uses a lot of resources even when idle. As per the Upsalla Soft. Factory programs, you'll have to recompile then using the above mentioned bundles, or get already compiled binaries from Mark Harris. You'll also need to recompile Gromacs (and fftw3) if you're using it -- but it then works great. I agree with W. Scott on the fact that the new OS is really greedy in terms of resources. I surely wont upgrade my other, older mac computers that run just fine on 10.6. But if you have a new Mac, Lion is is really neat. Best Jacques Le Sep 10, 2011 à 2:09 AM, William Scott a écrit : Hi Phil: I've found few, if any advantages. I fear for the future. I've had problems getting coot to run stereo due to the X11 implementation in 10.7. Apart from that, no major problems with crystallographic software. Lion greedily uses memory, and any computer I have with less than 4 gig of memory has become extremely sluggish as a consequence of the upgrade. Ideally, you need 8 gig. Even with that, on my 2010 mini that I use for music playback, I regressed to 10.6.8, because of the audio interface. (It seems less robust, more prone to dropouts and now lacks integer mode output). Sara has been screaming at me for the last two weeks (nothing us usual in of itself) because Apple decided to get rid of Save As. Xcode and the compiler set is free again on 10.7. I've put some suggestions here for how to get rid of the most annoying new features: http://sage.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/xtal/wiki/index.php/Lion_upgrade_notes All the best, Bill On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:28 AM, Phil Evans wrote: Is there any opinion or experience about whether Lion is ready for crystallographic use? Should I upgrade? Phil William G. Scott Contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/ Harry -- Dr Harry Powell, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 0QH -- = Herbert J. Bernstein, Professor of Computer Science Dowling College, Kramer Science Center, KSC 121 Idle Hour Blvd, Oakdale, NY, 11769 +1-631-244-3035 y...@dowling.edu =
[ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Is there any opinion or experience about whether Lion is ready for crystallographic use? Should I upgrade? Phil
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Phil, On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Phil Evans p...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: Is there any opinion or experience about whether Lion is ready for crystallographic use? Should I upgrade? MacPyMOL works fine on Lion. Cheers, -- Jason -- Jason Vertrees, PhD PyMOL Product Manager Schrodinger, LLC (e) jason.vertr...@schrodinger.com (o) +1 (603) 374-7120
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Hi Phil: I've found few, if any advantages. I fear for the future. I've had problems getting coot to run stereo due to the X11 implementation in 10.7. Apart from that, no major problems with crystallographic software. Lion greedily uses memory, and any computer I have with less than 4 gig of memory has become extremely sluggish as a consequence of the upgrade. Ideally, you need 8 gig. Even with that, on my 2010 mini that I use for music playback, I regressed to 10.6.8, because of the audio interface. (It seems less robust, more prone to dropouts and now lacks integer mode output). Sara has been screaming at me for the last two weeks (nothing us usual in of itself) because Apple decided to get rid of Save As. Xcode and the compiler set is free again on 10.7. I've put some suggestions here for how to get rid of the most annoying new features: http://sage.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/xtal/wiki/index.php/Lion_upgrade_notes All the best, Bill On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:28 AM, Phil Evans wrote: Is there any opinion or experience about whether Lion is ready for crystallographic use? Should I upgrade? Phil William G. Scott Contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
I have noticed, in new versions of OSes, that there generally is rampant violation of the concept of if it ain't broken, don't fix. Shouldn't there be more moments of delight, when you see they have solved a previous poorly-engineered feature with an elegant solution? But a lot of the time, you have to try to figure out how to do what you did in the last version in this version, albeit for no net gain. Back to punch cards! The Friday Curmudgeon On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:09 PM, William Scott wgsc...@ucsc.edu wrote: Hi Phil: I've found few, if any advantages. I fear for the future. I've had problems getting coot to run stereo due to the X11 implementation in 10.7. Apart from that, no major problems with crystallographic software. Lion greedily uses memory, and any computer I have with less than 4 gig of memory has become extremely sluggish as a consequence of the upgrade. Ideally, you need 8 gig. Even with that, on my 2010 mini that I use for music playback, I regressed to 10.6.8, because of the audio interface. (It seems less robust, more prone to dropouts and now lacks integer mode output). Sara has been screaming at me for the last two weeks (nothing us usual in of itself) because Apple decided to get rid of Save As. Xcode and the compiler set is free again on 10.7. I've put some suggestions here for how to get rid of the most annoying new features: http://sage.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/xtal/wiki/index.php/Lion_upgrade_notes All the best, Bill On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:28 AM, Phil Evans wrote: Is there any opinion or experience about whether Lion is ready for crystallographic use? Should I upgrade? Phil William G. Scott Contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/ -- *** Jacob Pearson Keller Northwestern University Medical Scientist Training Program cel: 773.608.9185 email: j-kell...@northwestern.edu ***
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
On Sep 9, 2011, at 11:09 AM, William Scott wrote: (nothing us usual in of itself) I forgot to mention how delightful the spelling auto-correction feature can be. (It should have read nothing unusual in and of itself). That, at least, can be turned off.
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Still doesn't beat my all-time favorite, an early Microsoft spell-checker that changed diffract to defrocked. I forgot to mention how delightful the spelling auto-correction feature can be. (It should have read nothing unusual in and of itself). That, at least, can be turned off.
Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion
Shoshana Wodak once told me that Word kept suggesting Shoeshine Kodak as the correct spelling of her name. I just tried my copy of Word and it seems to have improved. Frances = Bernstein + Sons * * Information Systems Consultants 5 Brewster Lane, Bellport, NY 11713-2803 * * *** *Frances C. Bernstein * *** f...@bernstein-plus-sons.com *** * * *** 1-631-286-1339FAX: 1-631-286-1999 = On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Patrick Loll wrote: Still doesn't beat my all-time favorite, an early Microsoft spell-checker that changed diffract to defrocked. I forgot to mention how delightful the spelling auto-correction feature can be. (It should have read nothing unusual in and of itself). That, at least, can be turned off.
