Re: [ccp4bb] still having problems with Chlorine atoms in ligand during refinement

2011-05-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Madhavi,
How did you generate the cif file? Did you make sure that CL1 and CL2 are 
defined as atom.type_symbol CL and not C? If you used e.g. prodrg with your old 
file with old positions of the CL atoms, prodrg will have generated a cif file 
with atom types C instead of CL.
Herman 

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From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Nalam, 
Madhavi
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:53 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] still having problems with Chlorine atoms in ligand during 
refinement

Dear All:
Thanks to all who responded to my email. As per suggestions, I changed the 
position of CL atom in the PDB file as below.

Before the Refmac refinement, the file looks like this...
HETATM 1662  O27 MK5 C 200  23.772  24.629  11.196  1.00 20.00   O
HETATM 1663  O1  MK5 C 200  14.877  35.704  18.421  1.00 20.00   O
HETATM 1664 CL1  MK5 C 200  21.096  24.148  10.673  1.00 20.00  CL
HETATM 1665 CL2  MK5 C 200  21.314  24.896   8.267  1.00 20.00  CL

After Refmac refinement, it looks like this, essentially CL is changed to 
carbon atom. What should I do to make Refmac recognize as Chlorine atom?
---
ATOM   3126 CL1  MK5 C 200  20.830  24.051  10.574  1.00 29.27   C
ATOM   3130  C28 MK5 C 200  21.972  24.331   9.610  1.00 33.36   C
ATOM   3132 CL2  MK5 C 200  21.488  25.026   8.303  1.00 30.57   C
ATOM   3136  C26 MK5 C 200  23.074  25.080  10.390  1.00 32.43   C

I have chlorine atom as CL in both the PDB file as well as in cif file. 

Any inputs will be greatly appreciated,
Thanks and have a nice day,
Madhavi





From: herman.schreu...@sanofi-aventis.com [herman.schreu...@sanofi-aventis.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:55 AM
To: Nalam, Madhavi; CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Chlorine atoms in ligand during refinement

Dear Madhavi,
Here are my comments:
1) as Artem mentioned, the arginine is clearly misfitted.
2) from the shape of the difference density, I have the impression that the 
terminal of your ligand is misfitted as well, eg. The central carbon atom 
between the two chlorines in the front instead of in the back and that you have 
to rotate the terminal by 180°. However, since the picture is mono, it is just 
a guess.
3) It may be that your chlorine converted to a carbon. Open your pdb file with 
an editor and check that the atom name of the chlorine is one position to the 
left with respect to carbons (see example below). Also check that the atom type 
on the far right is CL and not C. Also check your .cif files etc. that you have 
chlorine and not carbon. Some programs like to generate Cl (l small cap) 
instead of CL, which also causes troubles and Cl must be converted to CL.
Good luck!
Herman

HETATM 3356  C3  INH I   1 -35.181  11.563  23.045  1.00 40.99   C
HETATM 3357 CL4  INH I   1 -34.143  11.710  24.418  1.00 41.43  CL

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From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Nalam, 
Madhavi
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:18 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] Chlorine atoms in ligand during refinement

Hello:
There are two chlorine atoms in the ligand that I modeled in the active site. 
When I first modeled the ligand, the density is very clear for the ligand. The 
chlorine atoms were seen as white (different color than carbon atoms). After 
one round of refinement, there seems to be positive density around the two 
chlorine atoms (please see the attached file)  while the density around the 
rest of the ligand seem to be very clear. I tried to model two conformations 
thinking that there is some disorder but still the positive density doesn't 
disappear. After a closer look where I just modeled one conformation for the 
ligand, the 2Fo-Fc density seem to be clear for the entire ligand and the 
positive density that appeared could be a problem with scattering factor. One 
reason for me to think this way is now the chlorine atoms are of the same color 
as carbon atoms.

I use version ccp4-6.1.13/Refmac5.5.0109 respectively.

Can anyone suggest what is going on?

Thanks in advance,
Madhavi


Re: [ccp4bb] still having problems with Chlorine atoms in ligand during refinement

2011-05-11 Thread David Schuller

On 05/11/11 11:00, herman.schreu...@sanofi-aventis.com wrote:

Dear Madhavi,
How did you generate the cif file? Did you make sure that CL1 and CL2 are 
defined as atom.type_symbol CL and not C? If you used e.g. prodrg with your old 
file with old positions of the CL atoms, prodrg will have generated a cif file 
with atom types C instead of CL.
Herman


The residue name is MK5, which is not included in the CCP4 distribution, 
so the dictionary entry must have been custom created.


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