RE: [CentOS-docs] Encrypting tmp swap and home
I had submitted a document to this list a few weeks back that gave instructions for whole disk encryption which would cover /tmp /home /swap and everything other than /boot. I did not ask for space in the wiki because i thought it was waiting for peer review for accuracy. That entire thread seemed to simply die so I haven't pursued the wiki any further. I already have this document in a wiki format at work and would be happy to submit it to the CentOS wiki should it pass muster. The contents of my last post are: Whole (Most) Disk Encryption on CentOS 5 This document is in the process of being developed Credit To Others The primary source for this document was http://www.tummy.com/Community/Articles/cryptoroot-f8/. It was heavily used but adapted to CentOS5 and with some changes which simplify and improve the process. Other sources that were used are http://musialek.org/?p=3 and http://agiletesting.blogspot.com/2008/05/encrypting-linux-root-partition-with.html. Summary This document contains step by step instructions for encrypting the entire disk including swap space with the exception of the /boot partition on CentOS 5. It assumes that you are planning to encrypt your disk from install and that your disk is /dev/sda. This document was created with with CentOS 5.0 before any patches or updates were applied. There are some optional components within this document that are not technically necessary for encrypting the disk. Those components can be ignored for testing, but they should be followed on any “real” systems. The end of the document contains optional configurations. This is useful if you prefer to have additional partitions on the disk. The step by step instructions will leave a disk with two partitions, /boot (/dev/sda1) and an LVM (/dev/sda2) partition which contains all system volumes. The optional section will contain the differences needed to have an additional partition (/dev/sda3) which may be used as a data store, NFS share, etc. Step One: Prepare the disk The first step is to prepare the disk. The installer partitioning software doesn't have the flexibility to be able to do this, so you will need to switch to the shell and perform the setup manually. Once the installer has moved into the GUI, press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get a command prompt. OPTIONAL – Overwrite and randomize the entire disk. Use shred or dd to overwrite the disk. The technical merits of multiple overwrites of shred vs. using /dev/random with dd are beyond the scope of this document. The default options of shred take a very, very long time to run. The time to complete on any sizeable disk would likely be measured in days. This note applies to all statements about radomizing the disks or partitions in this document. # shred -v /dev/sda or # dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda Use fdisk to create the partitions for install. You will need to create a /boot partition and an LVM partition at the end of the disk. The gap in between the two partitions will become your encrypted file-system. This document will refer to the boot partition as /dev/sda1 and the install partition at the end of the disk as /dev/sda3. The encrypted partition will become /dev/sda2. The partition at the end of the disk should be smaller than the empty space between /boot and your LVM partition so that there is room for the meta-data associated with the encryption. The LVM partition really only needs to be large enough to install the system. You will be able to expand the system volumes if you like after you have a working, encrypted system. # fdisk /dev/sda RedHat documentation recommends 100MB for the boot partition. Over time, the /boot partition can fill up as a result of updated kernels if it is not regularly cleaned. Using a larger /boot partition may be beneficial. /dev/sda1 should be of type 83 (Linux) and should be bootable. /dev/sda3 should have sufficient space to perform the installation. The partition type of /dev/sda3 should be 8e (Linux LVM). When done, it should look something like: DeviceBoot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 65 521955 83 Linux /dev/sda3 2 3040183554065 8e Linux LVM If you are not familiar with the fdisk commands, you can type “?” at the fdisk prompt to see a list of commands. Once you have the disk partitioned correctly (view the partition table with the “p” command within fdisk), remember to write the partition table while exiting with the “w” command. Return to the GUI to complete the installation. Press Ctrl-Alt-F6 to return to the GUI. Step Two: Installing the OS The installation must be done using the graphical installer because the text installer doesn't allow a custom installation to use LVM. For the partitioning, select “Custom”, and tell it to format sda1 as /boot, and sda3 as an LVM physical partition. Then use the “LVM” button to create a volume group, and a
[CentOS-announce] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - i386 Released
The single CD server install for CentOS 4.7 / i386 has now been released
and is available from all active mirrors. The ISO is available on
bit-torrent, via the torrent file :
http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/isos/i386/CentOS-4.7.ServerCD-i386.torrent
Sha1sum for the torrent file is: 779adf04b554ee01d05520936bb406a16a85d45c
md5sum for the CentOS 4.7 ServerCD / i386 is :
429c3c5d627682d5d9e8084c8e5456cd CentOS-4.7.ServerCD-i386.iso
sha1sum for the CentOS 4.7 ServerCD / i386 is:
6272d724f0abb95d2a5652724fe6b3740706d543 CentOS-4.7.ServerCD-i386.iso
You can find a local mirror to download from here:
http://isoredirect.centos.org/centos/4/isos/i386/
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We appreciate all feedback, including RFE's and bug notifications.
Notes:
1. This installer will only work with i686 based cpu's ( no K6, older
Via C2 / C3 support )
2. The included packages are a subset of all packages available in the
CentOS distribution, however yum has been pre-configured to use the
entire repository.
3. In order to ensure that drivers and other third party apps maintain
compatibility, the package set used on the Server CD is from Release
time CentOS 4.7, you are strongly encouraged to run a 'yum update'
immediately after installation.
4. As some of you will notice, the iso size is lower than the 650mb
acceptable for a single CD. Feedback on what other packages should be
aded or removed from this Single CD for the next release are very welcome.
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Re: [CentOS-virt] init 6 works inconsistently in XEN
I've seen that! But I don't try to fix it. 16.10.2008, в 18:57, Brett Serkez [EMAIL PROTECTED] написал(а): I am using Centos 5.2 as both my XEN host and guests. Both the XEN host and each XEN guest are up-to-date with the latest CentOS 5.2 updates. I've noticed over time that sometimes using init 6 (or init 0) in the guest works flawlessly and other times the guest will reach Restarting System/System Halted and hang. When this hang occurs the only way to finish the shutdown/reboot is to destroy the virtual machine and also one of the CPUs on the XEN host is maxed out at 100% CPU. Trying to diagnose this hang, I have found that restarting the xend and xendomains daemons restores the ability to init 6/init 0 the guests. I have not as yet narrowed the problem further. I was wondering if anyone else has seen this behavior and if so if there is a known fix, if not, how to properly report this issue so it can eventually be addressed? Brett ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
RE: [CentOS-es] Consulta instalacion JBoss en centos
Saludos hermanos. Hi to All. Despues de googlear y googlear no he encontrado mucha info de cómo instalar JBoss Aqui mis consultas existe un repositorio para instalar JDK 6? o si alguien me indica como instalar JBoss Les cuento es para hacer unas pruebas la verdad no manejo Jboss y lo necesito aprender rapido. Tengo una instalacion limpia de Centos 5.2 modo server solo consola. Me seria de mucha utilidad cualquier tutorial mas menos actualizado o que me indique como hacer De antemano Gracias. En http://dev.centos.org/centos/ te encontrarás los RPMS del OpenJDK 1.6 y el IcedTea (1.7). --- Red Telematica de Salud - Cuba CNICM - Infomed ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Tarjeta de red con intermitencia
Javier Aquino H. wrote: Buen día Lista, Los molesto por que tengo instalada una tarjeta de red en mi firewall ( DLink 10/100/1000 ) con CentOS 5.2 el cual presenta intermitencias. Esta tarjeta es la que da cara a mi red LAN y a veces pareciera como si se cayera porque no le puedo hacer ni un simple PING hasta que entre a la consola del servidor y haga un PING desde ahí a la PC que no puede entrar y luego trabaja normal. cuando esto suceda, ejecuta un : ifconfig qué salida da la tarjeta? muestra errores? mii-tool dice algo? tail /var/log/messages ? dmesg ? saludos epe -- Saludos! epe Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez http://www.NuestroServer.com/ USA: +1 305 359 4495 / España: +34 91 761 7884 Ecuador: +593 2 341 2402 / + 593 9 9246504 Mexico: +52 55 1163 8640 / Italia: +39 06 916504876 ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Consulta instalacion JBoss en centos
Que versión de Jboss piensas instalar? Yo tengo un Centos 5.1 con Jboss 4.2 2008/10/15 Wladimir A. Jimenez B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi to All. Despues de googlear y googlear no he encontrado mucha info de como instalar JBoss Aqui mis consultas existe un repositorio para instalar JDK 6? o si alguien me indica como instalar JBoss Les cuento es para hacer unas pruebas la verdad no manejo Jboss y lo necesito aprender rapido. Tengo una instalacion limpia de Centos 5.2 modo server solo consola. Me seria de mucha utilidad cualquier tutorial mas menos actualizado o que me indique como hacer De antemano Gracias. -- Wladimir A. Jiménez B. http://www.kasbeel.cl Linux User # 444661 Ubuntu User # 19201 ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es -- La información contenida en este correo electrónico es confidencial, privilegiada y está dirigida exclusivamente a su destinatario. Su revisión, difusión, distribución o copiado está prohibido. Si lo ha recibido por error por favor bórrelo e informe al remitente. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
[CentOS-es] ayuda
Hola gente necesito de su ayuda con este tema no se a que se deba este error, quisas algunos de ustedes ya les paso Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.gammacargo.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: User and password not set, continuing without authentication. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 64.224.219.122 failed after I sent the message. Remote host said: 554 5.7.1 The message from ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with the subject of (Correo de Prueba) matches a profile the Internet community may consider spam. Please revise your message before resending. -- * * Saludos, *Wilder Deza* / / ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Metadistro
Yamal Pineda wrote: *** Hola pueblo! Hoy requiero de una mano. Quien me puede recomendar una metadistribución o un live-cd que me instale un servidor de Correo con antivirus y antiespam? CentOS te isntala un servidor de correo, después con yum install instalas el clamav y listo. saludos epe -- Saludos! epe Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez http://www.NuestroServer.com/ USA: +1 305 359 4495 / España: +34 91 761 7884 Ecuador: +593 2 341 2402 / + 593 9 9246504 Mexico: +52 55 1163 8640 / Italia: +39 06 916504876 ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: {Fraud?} Re: [CentOS-es] Consulta instalacion JBoss en centos
Wladimir A. Jimenez B. wrote: Despues de todo fue sencillo, Solo JDK6 y JBoss 5. (Gracias por su ayuda) Ahora tengo un pequen~o dilema. Nunca he configurado JBoss, y pense que me podia meter a la Web localhost 8080, o en este caso la ip que usa el equipo *MailScanner le advierte: los links numericos son comunmente utilizados en actividades maliciosas:* 192.168.168.101:8080 http://192.168.168.101:8080/, y nop vi que si entraba con lynx de la forma lynx *MailScanner le advierte: los links numericos son comunmente utilizados en actividades maliciosas:* 127.0.0.1:8080 http://127.0.0.1:8080/ Y aqui mi pregunta dado que no tengo Escritorio en ese equipo, como lo hago para configurar, me doy la lata con Lynx o hay alguna manera de hacerlo publico para que entre por la IP *MailScanner le advierte: los links numericos son comunmente utilizados en actividades maliciosas:* 192.168.1.101 http://192.168.1.101/. Primero que quieres configurar? El servidor no te da ninguna configurabilidad por web (si mal no recuerdo), toda la conf del servidor esta en unos archivos xml que estan en: server/TUAPP/conf jbossjta-properties.xml jboss-log4j.xml jboss-minimal.xml jboss-service.xml jndi.properties login-config.xml props standardjbosscmp-jdbc.xml standardjboss.xml xmdesc De esa forma no necesitas entorno grafico :D pero tienes que configurar a lo rudo (consola+editor de texto) Salu2 -- Francisco José Collao Gárate LinuxUser #363300 http://pcollaog.firefox.cl Free, powerful, secure and easy to use. http://www.firefox.cl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Consulta instalacion JBoss en centos
Despues de todo fue sencillo, Solo JDK6 y JBoss 5. (Gracias por su ayuda) Ahora tengo un pequen~o dilema. Nunca he configurado JBoss, y pense que me podia meter a la Web localhost 8080, o en este caso la ip que usa el equipo 192.168.168.101:8080, y nop vi que si entraba con lynx de la forma lynx 127.0.0.1:8080 Y aqui mi pregunta dado que no tengo Escritorio en ese equipo, como lo hago para configurar, me doy la lata con Lynx o hay alguna manera de hacerlo publico para que entre por la IP 192.168.1.101. De antemano gracias. -- Wladimir A. Jiménez B. http://www.kasbeel.cl Linux User # 444661 Ubuntu User # 19201 ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Tarjeta de red con intermitencia
Hola... A mi me paso una vez, y perdi todo un dia buscando que pasaba y puede sonar tonto pero el cable de red estaba defectuoso. (hay que empezar por la capa fisica e ir descartanto.) como te dice deberias hacer un mii-tool para ver si esta linquiando. o pegar los logs en el correo. atte. Mario Ganga Castro. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Javier Aquino H. wrote: Buen día Lista, Los molesto por que tengo instalada una tarjeta de red en mi firewall ( DLink 10/100/1000 ) con CentOS 5.2 el cual presenta intermitencias. Esta tarjeta es la que da cara a mi red LAN y a veces pareciera como si se cayera porque no le puedo hacer ni un simple PING hasta que entre a la consola del servidor y haga un PING desde ahí a la PC que no puede entrar y luego trabaja normal. cuando esto suceda, ejecuta un : ifconfig qué salida da la tarjeta? muestra errores? mii-tool dice algo? tail /var/log/messages ? dmesg ? saludos epe -- Saludos! epe Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez http://www.NuestroServer.com/ USA: +1 305 359 4495 / España: +34 91 761 7884 Ecuador: +593 2 341 2402 / + 593 9 9246504 Mexico: +52 55 1163 8640 / Italia: +39 06 916504876 ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
RE: [CentOS] DHCP static hosts and subnet configuration
This I am not sure can be done with dhcpd. However you can specify NIC to
fixed static addys and the nic harware address in the dhcp.conf file.
How does that work?
JohnStanley Writes:
This is what I am talking about at the end of the .conf file below. That
is what you are trying or wantting to accomplish? This is actualy a
confiuration I use. In all respect I have a question for you Are you
wantting to try this solution because you cant access another subnet? If now
you are then you need to have a look at your routing tables in your routers
or vlan configuration on your switches. That's just question or two I could
be wrong.
subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
# Default gateway router
option routers 192.168.0.1;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
option nis-domain domain_name here;
option domain-name domain_name here;
option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.100;
# My GMT Time Offset EST!
option time-offset -5;
# option ntp-servers 192.168.1.1;
# option netbios-name-servers 192.168.1.1;
# Selects point-to-point node (default is hybrid). Don't change this unless
# you understand Netbios very well
# option netbios-node-type 2;
# Dhcpd server will give out addresses between 128 and 254. 255 is Broadcast
don't forget.
range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.128 192.168.0.254;
default-lease-time 21600;
max-lease-time 43200;
# Next here is the kickstarts getting pulled in.
#
# machine_name_here:/kickstarts/ks.cfg is the nfs share
# For a kickstart confgiuration file
# filename /kickstarts/ks.cfg;
# next-server 10.2.7.3;
}
# I'm handing out fixed addresses and host names for the following mac
addresses.
host machine_name here {
hardware ethernet 00:80:5f:1d:57:47;
fixed-address 192.168.0.2;
}
# This one here has the Option Host Name to add.
host machine_name_here {
hardware ethernet 00:50:8b:d3:f9:ed;
fixed-address 192.168.0.30;
option host-name client_name_here;
}
host machine_name_here {
hardware ethernet 00:50:8b:e1:5d:dc;
fixed-address 192.168.0.31;
option host-name host_name_here;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
}
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RE: [CentOS] new list proposal
Karanbir Singh scribbled on Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:55 PM: And to better cater to these conversations, as well as further encourage such content, we'd like to propose creating a 'centos-tech' list. Also, all comments are welcome! Sounds like a plan. How would a newbie know what list to ask on though? I think this might be a crucial point. You'll need to specify pretty hard what is and what is not a proper topic on the lists respectively. Splitting it up *might* make the list more, well split, causing confusion where to post what and so on, and you'd still get the noise on both lists, only double the amount. On a personal note, I'm already subscribed to thirtysome lists now. One more won't matter much. If I find the techie-list isn't for me, I can unsub. -- BW, Sorin --- # Sorin Srbu[Sysadmin, Systems Engineer] # Dept of Medicinal Chemistry, Phone: +46 (0)18-4714482 3 signals GSM # Div of Org Pharm Chem,Mobile: +46 (0)701-718023 # Box 574, Uppsala University, Fax: +46 (0)18-4714482 # SE-751 23 Uppsala, Sweden Visit: BMC, Husargatan 3, D5:512b # Web: http://www.orgfarm.uu.se --- # () ASCII ribbon campaign - Against html E-mail # /\ # # MotD follows: # If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] new list proposal
Michael Semcheski scribbled on Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:17 AM: This may sound crazy, but maybe the thing to do is let the main list continue the way it is, but update the guidelines for this list to explicitly allow the things that Karanbir mentioned in the OP. Then, and this is the crazy part, set up a new list called centos-terse or centos-hardcore or centos-list-of-last-resort. Let that one be the new BS-not-tolerated, no noise, all Centos all the time list. I second that! CentOS-Discussion should continue to be the general entrance to anything CentOS but updated as to topics, while there could also be more specific lists that are hardcore etc. /S smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Missing something about sendmail
Paul R. Ganci wrote: Hi All, I have a strange problem that I don't understand. I have an access file which has the following line: Did you run makemap? Does the db file contain the same stuff as the text file? Christopher ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Regd: SeLinux Configuration
Balaji wrote: Dear All, I have executed the following command and i have changed the /etc/selinux/config file and reboot the PC also setenforce 1 i have getting the following message only setenforce: SELinux is disabled Try using the GUI tools to enable and configure SELinux. Let us know if anything changes or not. Ian ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Kenneth Price wrote: I favor one-stop shopping. I agree with Jeff. While I understand this general list can become a bit overwhelming for the CentOS Staff, we all must remember that this is a GENERAL list. I think the general CentOS list should be an open and embracing community. A centos-tech list sounds more like the name of the developer or power user list than a semi-off-topic technology discussion group. That was my first thought when seeing the new name. ...and fwiw I would put the new list into the same label/folder too, so I don't really care :) -- //Morten Torstensen //Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] //IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] And if it turns out that there is a God, I don't believe that he is evil. The worst that can be said is that he's an underachiever. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Missing something about sendmail
Christopher Chan wrote: I have a strange problem that I don't understand. I have an access file which has the following line: Did you run makemap? Does the db file contain the same stuff as the text file? Yes. The output of makemap -u hash access.db access_dump shows 168.144.250.215 OK # xsmtp02.mail2web.com It is there. After a lot of research I realized I am using two features that muck with the check_relay ruleset. The DCC hackmc script to make DCC understand about whitelisting from the access database and FEATURE(`require_rdns2',`forgedignore')dnl which requires the relay to have a rDNS. This changes the usual check_relay code albeit I haven't figured out how it can generate a 553 error code along with an OK. -- Paul ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Frank Cox a écrit : I tend to agree with you, actually. The Fedora list, for example, seems to work fine as far as I can see (most of the time, anyway), and I just skip over anything that doesn't look interesting to me. I second that. Coming from Slackware, I tend to adhere to the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle. One list for everything, and then skipping over the boring/uninteresting bits looks quite simple. Activate the threaded view in your mailreader, and there you go. Cheers, Niki ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Missing something about sendmail
Paul R. Ganci wrote on Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:23:33 -0600: OK # xsmtp02.mail2web.com You cannot put comments in the file like this, it's interpreted as the error message. You can use only comments that start the line. Is this because I have commented out dnl FEATURE(delay_checks)dnl in my sendmail.mc? No, delay_checks is necessary for instance if you want to use other access mechanisms like SMTP AUTH. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5 and Driver Disks
Clint Dilks wrote: It isn't a big deal as I will try a Network based install or use a USB DVD drive but I just want to confirm if using a RHEL 5 Driver Disk should work :) It should yes. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Problems with Thunderbird
On new CentOS 5.2 installation (and ugradation before config the diferent programs I use), I'm having problems with Thunderbird 2.0.0.17. Problem 1: I configured my e-mail account (as I have in my old machine) and I have no access to my pop3 and/or smtp servers. I write my user for the access, but thunderbird no ask my password anytime. Problem 2: I installed lightning, but I can't add any new calendar to it (local or remote). Does anyone have these problems or knows how to solve them? Regards ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Jeff wrote: There are probably as many (or more) threads that drift off topic as there are those that start out that way and are labeled as such. I don't think a new list is really going to help create the separation you seek. In fact, introducing a second list will probably generate many conversations on each list that really belong on the other. Perhaps, that is true. But one point that most people seem to be missing is that the idea of the second list is also to encourage further conversations. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Chris Geldenhuis wrote: I agree with Jeff, in other forums where that I belong to the distinction between tech and chat quickly becomes blurred and many posts are cross posted to both (or all) lists, causing duplication in downloads and scanning. how about when the distinction is between Support/help and technoglogy/best-practices ? -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Karanbir Singh wrote: Morten Torstensen wrote: I think the general CentOS list should be an open and embracing community. A centos-tech list sounds more like the name of the developer or power user list than a semi-off-topic technology discussion group. That was my first thought when seeing the new name. What would you recommend as an alternative name for the list ? And it wont be 'offtopic' technology chatter, it will be very much ontopic there :D I agree with Morten to the extent that I don't think the proposed name(s) of the list(s) convey the distinction(s) between them that well. Your explanation is clear enough but just looking at the list names it maybe not be clear to everyone, particularly new list members who haven't had the benefit of reading this discussion. Maybe something like centos-support for the current list and centos-techtalk for the proposed new list makes the distinction a little clearer (I'm not a great one for coming up with names - my point is more that maybe the current list name could also be tweaked to aid in differentiating between them). ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal - meaningless
Karanbir Singh wrote: Over a period of time, we would like to see the CentOS list become a more user help and distro specific list, with generic conversations moving to the centos-tech list. perhaps that is why core issues in CentOS like the kernel and samba are ignored by the developers? Examples :- http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-October/066143.html http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-October/066154.html Upsream is blamed/misunderstood for a lot of things but even their developers take time to answer questions on the nahant-list or fedora-list in their spare time. If the CentOS devs don't have time to answer key questions such as on the kernel but have time to consider fragmenting the mailing list who wins/loses? If the devs have the choice to ignore the core stuff there is also the option of ignoring the non-core stuff. Spike. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Karanbir Singh wrote: One thing that we are often blamed for is trying to stifle conversations and to discourage people from commenting / contributing / encouraging conversations. And that cant be further from the truth, really. We are all pro-community ( and when I say we, I mean everyone - including the contributors, developers, admins, users, abusers and hey upstream too ). However, one thing that does get in the way, often, and something that we all feel creates a higher 'noise' ratio is conversations on this list about semi-related stuff, but not something that directly contributes to the general users of CentOS. Conversations that specifically address four areas: - technologies - best practices - deployment strategies and tools - management strategies and tools And to better cater to these conversations, as well as further encourage such content, we'd like to propose creating a 'centos-tech' list. Over a period of time, we would like to see the CentOS list become a more user help and distro specific list, with generic conversations moving to the centos-tech list. Hi I understand the eagerness to lower the noise ratio, but I think creating another list is not the solution, it will simply create an extra work for the people in the list centos in the sense that you will have to keep reminding people to use the tech list, or saying to newcomers that should sign for the tech list. Noise is the side effect of the success of the project CentOS. As the project grows, more people will be joining the list, and there will be more noise. In my opinion there aren't much off-topic/noise in this list. Regards Marcelo ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Missing something about sendmail
Kai Schaetzl wrote: OK # xsmtp02.mail2web.com You cannot put comments in the file like this, it's interpreted as the error message. You can use only comments that start the line Crap ... after all the experience I had with sendmail I never realized that. I guess you learn something new every day. Thanks that seems to have fixed the problem. -- Paul ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
On 10/16/08, William L. Maltby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 09:47 +0100, Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: sbeam wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I snip Sorry to hear this, but I use Firefox 3.0.2 daily and I don't have any of these problems. For me works fine. Regards Marcelo Centos 5.2 (2.6.18-92.1.13.el5) firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos Ditto here. Have you run an rpm --verify to see if you have corruption problems? Have you mixed installs from (possibly conflicting) repos? I suspect one of those two. Have you checked your hardware (memtest, etc.)? If the system is haeavily loaded, have you checked to see if it's a heat related problem? snip sig stuff I run FF3 on CentOS 5.2 on a 9yr old laptop (256MB ram p3 processor 16GB SSD) with no problems whatsoever (other than my partners orange webmail maxing out the cpu with their ads) mike ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 22:54 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: Karanbir Singh wrote: And to better cater to these conversations, as well as further encourage such content, we'd like to propose creating a 'centos-tech' list. Also, all comments are welcome! If there is a general feeling that this would help, then we will go ahead and setup the new list in the next few days. I think this is not a good solution. I've read all the other posts in this thread and there are a lot of good points. But... Since I've been on the list, it has *always* appeared to me to be not CentOS-specific. It rather appears to be mostly admin-centric. Both experienced and inexperienced users have posted, been helped, helped others. It has been, fortunately, mostly related to CentOS in that the posters are trying to do something on CentOS, not BSD, UNIX, It should, of course, remain so. Nevertheless, the primary focus seems towards administration, not CentOS. The enforcement of CentOSicity has been sporadic and arbitrary. The sporadic part has allowed this to become a very informative, usually friendly and productive tool. It reflects, IMO, the nature of its constituency. The arbitrary part has raised my hackles, even though I'm not the target (usually). Got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning usually crosses my mind. My feeling is that what has been generally tolerated on the list should continue: help with mail setup, wifi doesn't work, recommend insert your hardware here, php, browser problems, raid, file systems, ... you can see that very little is CentOS. But usually it is at least on a CentOS system. Because CentOS just works for so many, this list would really have very few posts that are on topic: upgrade 4.x-5.x broke my system (read the archives, that's not recommended), I can't get my wifi to work on 5.x (that hardware is too new - go get the driver from...), etc. A great number of these would be administration problems, not CentOS problems, and also would spawn tangential threads. They would then be referred to the new list, which would now look like this one used to look. Cross postings would begin to occur as many topics would be difficult to initially categorize. Is it a CentOS problem or a wetware problem? My recommendation is that this list continue as it has, with the exception of the arbitrary enforcement of CentOSicity. This should be either consistently enforced, reducing the utility and population of this list, or only enforced that you must be using/administering/setting up... a CentOS system. This will acknowledge the nature of an enterprise class user, continue to support the growth of CentOS, aid the user in innumerable ways, ... For those who want a much narrower scope of topics, start lists for them. From the day I first subscribed, the reality has been that this list has been: - technologies - best practices - deployment strategies and tools - management strategies and tools to quote you, along with the other things I've mentioned. Local filters, DEL, etc. can handle the chores for those that want a very narrow view. MHO -- Bill ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
On Thursday 16 October 2008 07:26, Michael Simpson wrote: Ditto here. Have you run an rpm --verify to see if you have corruption problems? Have you mixed installs from (possibly conflicting) repos? I suspect one of those two. Have you checked your hardware (memtest, etc.)? If the system is haeavily loaded, have you checked to see if it's a heat related problem? ok thanks guys, the firefox RPM was normal and the system is solid 64bit, it's just Firefox that has problems. In the past crashes could be triggered just by simple UI interaction, scrolling or click/drag, etc. Seemed like any time it would use GTK widgets it was on thin ice. I run KDE so I wondered if any other KDE users have this problem. But I am running the mozilla.org binary now, so I can get crashreporter to work - but it doesn't... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460254 anyway this is not a CentOS issue it seems. But thanks for letting me know. Sam ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Karanbir Singh wrote: Morten Torstensen wrote: I think the general CentOS list should be an open and embracing community. A centos-tech list sounds more like the name of the developer or power user list than a semi-off-topic technology discussion group. That was my first thought when seeing the new name. What would you recommend as an alternative name for the list ? And it wont be 'offtopic' technology chatter, it will be very much ontopic there :D Centos-applications might make sense if the idea is to cover how to do things using programs that run on Centos - or when/how to replace the packaged apps with newer versions. But you might want hardware advice too. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Kai Schaetzl wrote: I'm all for having less traffic on this list, but I don't have a good recipe for that. I doubt that splitting the list will really help much. As others have already said you will probably end up with two lists that have mixed conversations from the topics of both lists. And it won't help with the problem that there are more and more clueless posts where it is very clear that the person asking didn't even think a second about doing some research before asking here. Maybe it would make more sense to turn this list into 'Centos-users' where anything someone might do would be on topic as long as it involved a system running Centos (or planning to run it). That may be the way everyone but Karanbir thinks of it anyway now. Then add a new list called Centos-development or Centos-bugs to deal specifically with problems in Centos itself or getting it to install. As someone else mentioned, Centos usually 'just works' so that would probably be very low-traffic. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] How can I free the disk space after compiling kernel
Hi, I have recompiled my kernel and updated it to kernel-2.6.27. However, I found there are no more than 1G disk space left for my jobs. How can I free my disk space but in the same time keep all the compiled kernel modules (*.ko files) here? Can I remove the *.o files created by kernel compiling? Are there any commands to help me achieve this? Thanks a lot, Ian ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How can I free the disk space after compiling kernel
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Ian jonhson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have recompiled my kernel and updated it to kernel-2.6.27. However, I found there are no more than 1G disk space left for my jobs. Seriously? What size hard drive did you start out with, a 4G kit? How can I free my disk space but in the same time keep all the compiled kernel modules (*.ko files) here? Can I remove the *.o files created by kernel compiling? Are there any commands to help me achieve this? If you're not going to be building anything else against the kernel, remove the kernel source directory. rm and possibly find will be your friends. -- During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Rebooting CentOS 5.2 XEN Guest
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Kai Schaetzl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett Serkez wrote on Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:23:16 -0400: At one time when I issued an 'init 6' in one of the XEN guests it rebooted I've narrowed the issue to the xend and xendomains daemons. On one of my systems I was able to init 6 and init 0 no problem, then suddenly I could not, when this occurred, CPU utilization was 100% on one CPU on the host with the guest said either Restarting System or System Halted. After some investigation I found that if I restarted the xend and xendomains services I could once again init 0 and init 6. I usually use xm reboot from the host. You can also use reboot from within the guest. I remember *one* occurence quite a few months back where after an update I had problems to shut a VM down. But it happened only that one time. Note, there is a centos-virt list. Thanks for this tip, I have signed up on the centos-virt list. Brett ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal - meaningless
Spike Turner wrote: perhaps that is why core issues in CentOS like the kernel and samba are ignored by the developers? Examples :- http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-October/066143.html We are not going to rebase except if upstream does. And maybe nobody answered that because nobody is seeing issues with that samba version? http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-October/066154.html Yeah, that one is a problem. Ralph pgpPCQetcit0c.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
sbeam wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I use Save As... or Browse... or anything else that brings up the Gnome file picker. After the crash I re-start then the file picker works for a while. Sometimes it just takes scrolling or click+drag an image or some other random action. BANG your'e dead. Very frustrating. Now today it is just crashing randomly, I am not even touching it. Maybe one of my plugins, I know. I guess I will run it with debugger/strace. but does anyone else see this? $ rpm -qa firefox firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos $ cat /etc/redhat-release CentOS release 5.2 (Final) $ rpm -qa kdebase kdebase-3.5.4-18.el5.centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Hi Sorry to hear this, but I use Firefox 3.0.2 daily and I don't have any of these problems. For me works fine. Regards Marcelo Centos 5.2 (2.6.18-92.1.13.el5) firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Seeking advice about auth/home serving
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:08 PM, MHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Ross Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sigh... I resist top posting and trim and thread my replies, stay on topic, am polite, all while tapping out on my iPhone display. But that ain't enough no, now I have to watch my run on sentences! Sheesh, from now on MHR, your name will be Grumpy. So Grumps, if my answers bring up more questions then why not just ask for clarification rather then get all over my poor punctuation? Oh, such ammunition! :^) That's what you get for using an iPhone! No, wait, that's cruel. Ross, you're better than that! Hmm, that doesn't really say it, either. Y'know, I can't really think up a good comeback. Grump, grump, grump Wait! I know: So, what did that sentence really mean? Basically, in a nutshell what I was trying to get across is: 1) Keep passwords in local passwd files or Kerberos, using NIS or LDAP for passwords is generally not a good idea as there are too many ways these can be compromised. I realize one can hack Heimdal Kerberos and OpenLDAP to work together keeping Kerberos information in LDAP like Active Directory does, but it is a complex unsupported hack that is sure to break at some point if either side is upgraded. If that's what you want, go out and buy an Active Directory server and integrate it into your Linux environment. 2) Use of LDAP for most small environments is overkill. NIS for auto-mount maps and account information (passwords stripped), is more then adequate here, but as the organization grows you may find NIS harder to manage then LDAP, so at that time I would migrate from NIS to LDAP. Of course there may be other reasons to use LDAP over NIS, such as third party application support where third party application configuration information is distributed through LDAP. Of course your choice will be based on your requirements independant of what anybody like myself says. I hope that helps clarify things. -Ross ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:08 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: Kenneth Price wrote: I agree with Jeff. While I understand this general list can become a bit overwhelming for the CentOS Staff, we all must remember that this is a GENERAL list. All questions, from the novice to the expert should be welcome. This list is not only a way to get problems resolved, but a very effective learning tool for all users. Let's remember why we're here. To support and learn from our fellow CentOS users/admins. I dont agree with you. Here is why: this list isnt really a general list as you put it, its more of a user-help and support list for people who use and are considering to use CentOS. This list is now also at a stage where the on-topic to off-topic ratio is high enough that plenty of people who join to talk about a specific issue, never return back to the list. So we are not really doing much in terms of building the community, were in a state where there is one group of very vocal people, and lost of drive-by. Is that really the sort of situation we want to encourage and grow further into ? Also, if you were to be one of the moderators - how many hours a day, 7 days a week would you be offering to do sub minute response rates for all list moderation ? The CentOS lists are not really moderated much, unless things go very crazy, and imho it would be nice to keep things that way. Focus the conversation, create more avenues for people to interact, and create a feedback loop that really does work. If for most people both the lists are going to be the same thing, well - feel free to subscribe to both. Just consider which one you want to start a conversation in when you do start a conversation and all will be well. Ofcourse, a mechanism to move a conversation between lists, along with auto-subscribe for all users contributing to that thread, into the moved-to-list, would be great to have! I have tried to stay out of this. I recognize that this is not a democracy and the CentOS developers are certainly entitled to operate things, especially the mail lists however they choose. While I can appreciate that you are of the belief that the CentOS lists are not moderated much, my perception is that it is moderated more than most. Certainly not as moderated as say openldap-software list but nowhere near as free as a Red Hat list. I also note that moderation comes in 2 forms...the first being when one of the CentOS developers says stop this thread which is irregular, inconsistent and often unnecessary and the second being over zealous people who post more frequently on this list who act as self appointed list moms and are simply too heavy handed. I personally think that the biggest problem on the list is not the off-topic tangents but rather the efforts by some to express excessive control rather than just delete and move on. If you are going to go to multiple lists, might I suggest that you have 1 system-admins list and 1 general-users list and you can tightly control the system-admins list. Craig ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Kenneth Price wrote: I agree with Jeff. While I understand this general list can become a bit overwhelming for the CentOS Staff, we all must remember that this is a GENERAL list. All questions, from the novice to the expert should be welcome. This list is not only a way to get problems resolved, but a very effective learning tool for all users. Let's remember why we're here. To support and learn from our fellow CentOS users/admins. I dont agree with you. Here is why: this list isnt really a general list as you put it, its more of a user-help and support list for people who use and are considering to use CentOS. This list is now also at a stage where the on-topic to off-topic ratio is high enough that plenty of people who join to talk about a specific issue, never return back to the list. So we are not really doing much in terms of building the community, were in a state where there is one group of very vocal people, and lost of drive-by. Is that really the sort of situation we want to encourage and grow further into ? Also, if you were to be one of the moderators - how many hours a day, 7 days a week would you be offering to do sub minute response rates for all list moderation ? The CentOS lists are not really moderated much, unless things go very crazy, and imho it would be nice to keep things that way. Focus the conversation, create more avenues for people to interact, and create a feedback loop that really does work. If for most people both the lists are going to be the same thing, well - feel free to subscribe to both. Just consider which one you want to start a conversation in when you do start a conversation and all will be well. Ofcourse, a mechanism to move a conversation between lists, along with auto-subscribe for all users contributing to that thread, into the moved-to-list, would be great to have! -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Morten Torstensen wrote: I think the general CentOS list should be an open and embracing community. A centos-tech list sounds more like the name of the developer or power user list than a semi-off-topic technology discussion group. That was my first thought when seeing the new name. What would you recommend as an alternative name for the list ? And it wont be 'offtopic' technology chatter, it will be very much ontopic there :D -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Karanbir Singh wrote: Chris Geldenhuis wrote: I agree with Jeff, in other forums where that I belong to the distinction between tech and chat quickly becomes blurred and many posts are cross posted to both (or all) lists, causing duplication in downloads and scanning. how about when the distinction is between Support/help and technoglogy/best-practices ? It would be easy enough to subscribe or not to a second list. I'm finding that more and more I'm just doing mass deletes from this mailing list and not really gaining anything it's a lack of time thing. Some of what creates the lack of time is drudging through 10 or 20 potential 'outside' solutions to solve an issue with our systems. Try signing up for the Sendmail list, the mysql list, the php list, the apache list and then try to read them faster than they come in! And then within one of those other list, with lots of flavors of 'nix, try to come up with a solution that works best within Centos... So you get stuck in no where land... From the Centos side, it's not a Centos issue but instead a 'insert software shipped with distro here' issue talk to them. And then from their side, it's a Centos issue and the way upstream does their stuff. In all fairness, this list has been extremely good about allowing in many cases what gets out there on the edge of Centos topics. At the same time, when we have Centos users who just want to run a personal desktop or laptop... and we have full blown server farms running some of the most cutting edge and powerful systems in the world how can we expect to all live under the same roof with one mailing list? Personally, I run webservers under Centos. One of the nuances that comes with this is spam. I think all on this list who are in the same boat have restrained to a huge degree discussions about dealing with spam or spam filtering. We simply know it could all but take over this list and that it is really not quite appropriate here. DNS, Apache, mail programs... all can lead to in depth discussions again not really appropriate on a general list. I have used restraint. I can only suppose that many others have as well. I very much like the idea of another list, which is for the discussion of more extensive use of Centos. I also believe this list is quite appropriate for 'getting Centos to run' on whatever system you're trying to use. But I'll never need to know how to hook up my camera, get a wireless card to work, figure out why my uber video card doesn't work or really anything to do with a GUI in Centos as these are desktop issues. I don't want to sound like an elitist or anything... it's just different uses. Neither one is above the others just different needs. Perhaps a new list name that might be considered would be CentOS-Extended or CentOS-Servers. A place where Apache conf can be discussed, as I'm sure the desktop users don't want to hear about this... or running a DNS server... and the hoards of issues that come with running a mailserver. Best, John Hinton ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
I'm all for having less traffic on this list, but I don't have a good recipe for that. I doubt that splitting the list will really help much. As others have already said you will probably end up with two lists that have mixed conversations from the topics of both lists. And it won't help with the problem that there are more and more clueless posts where it is very clear that the person asking didn't even think a second about doing some research before asking here. Try and see. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 09:47 +0100, Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: sbeam wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I snip Sorry to hear this, but I use Firefox 3.0.2 daily and I don't have any of these problems. For me works fine. Regards Marcelo Centos 5.2 (2.6.18-92.1.13.el5) firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos Ditto here. Have you run an rpm --verify to see if you have corruption problems? Have you mixed installs from (possibly conflicting) repos? I suspect one of those two. Have you checked your hardware (memtest, etc.)? If the system is haeavily loaded, have you checked to see if it's a heat related problem? snip sig stuff -- Bill ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix problem
Paolo Supino a écrit : Hi I didn't think of checking if Sendmail is the one sending the email or not. I will have to check this out. I will only have access to this server next Wednesday. So until then I can't check anything or post anything ... If you find that it's sendmail, use alternatives to set the MTA to postfix instead (and stop Sendmail as you don't need it anymore, and having two different MTAs on a box generally results in surprises). if that's not the problem, ask on the postfix-users list. There show the output of 'postconf -n' and relevant logs. you can hide private domains and IPs but do so coherently (use example.com, example.org, example.net or whateveryouwant.example for domains, and use 192.0.2.* for public IPs. but make your substitution a one to one mapping). ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Craig White wrote: If you are going to go to multiple lists, might I suggest that you have 1 system-admins list and 1 general-users list and you can tightly control the system-admins list. Craig Craig. I like these definitive names! But I would like a bit more freedom on the sysadmin list. The ability to get more in depth on particulars and include discussions of other software which interacts with existing systems to aid in going further... extending Centos so to speak. John Hinton ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: sbeam wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? snip Hi Sorry to hear this, but I use Firefox 3.0.2 daily and I don't have any of these problems. For me works fine. Regards Marcelo Centos 5.2 (2.6.18-92.1.13.el5) firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos Same here, Marcello. Firefox has been running several days, currently with an insane 47 tabs. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
- Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Price wrote: I agree with Jeff. While I understand this general list can become a bit overwhelming for the CentOS Staff, we all must remember that this is a GENERAL list. All questions, from the novice to the expert should be welcome. This list is not only a way to get problems resolved, but a very effective learning tool for all users. Let's remember why we're here. To support and learn from our fellow CentOS users/admins. I dont agree with you. Here is why: Karanbir, I'm not going to argue back and forth about who's wrong and who's right, but will simply agree to disagree. I've been a Linux user since 1995, and a CentOS user since it's inception. I love the distro, and love the users - and that includes you, ya big teddy bear. Ken ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
- Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are going to go to multiple lists, might I suggest that you have 1 system-admins list and 1 general-users list and you can tightly control the system-admins list. I disagreed with the idea of creating a second list as originally proposed, however, I think two lists as you describe is a good middle ground and the remainder of this thread should be directed towards a compromise of this nature. -Ken ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
hey when you're saying crashing, what exactly do you mean?.. is it the app that crashes.. is it that your mouse/keyboard no longer works?, is your system still running (you can ssh into it), but you can't move your mouse??? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marcelo M. Garcia Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:47 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable sbeam wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I use Save As... or Browse... or anything else that brings up the Gnome file picker. After the crash I re-start then the file picker works for a while. Sometimes it just takes scrolling or click+drag an image or some other random action. BANG your'e dead. Very frustrating. Now today it is just crashing randomly, I am not even touching it. Maybe one of my plugins, I know. I guess I will run it with debugger/strace. but does anyone else see this? $ rpm -qa firefox firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos $ cat /etc/redhat-release CentOS release 5.2 (Final) $ rpm -qa kdebase kdebase-3.5.4-18.el5.centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Hi Sorry to hear this, but I use Firefox 3.0.2 daily and I don't have any of these problems. For me works fine. Regards Marcelo Centos 5.2 (2.6.18-92.1.13.el5) firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
- John Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig White wrote: If you are going to go to multiple lists, might I suggest that you have 1 system-admins list and 1 general-users list and you can tightly But I would like a bit more freedom on the sysadmin list. The ability to get more in depth on particulars and include discussions of other software which interacts with existing systems to aid in going further... extending Centos so to speak. Do you think that by definition, the system-admins list should encompass that freedom? Linux system administration is not limited to bash scripting and configuring Apache virtual hosts, but also includes architecting multi-tiered, multi-faceted, multi-platform environments. I think the label of system-admins for a second list is going in the right direction. Maybe something a bit more specific, like CentOS-sysadmin-advanced? Not the best name, but conveys my idea. The understanding on that list is that the application of CentOS in real world environments can and should also be discussed. Eh? Yes, no, maybe? -Ken ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Seeking advice about auth/home serving
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Ross Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically, in a nutshell what I was trying to get across is: 1) Keep passwords in local passwd files or Kerberos, using NIS or LDAP for passwords is generally not a good idea as there are too many ways these can be compromised. I realize one can hack Heimdal Kerberos and OpenLDAP to work together keeping Kerberos information in LDAP like Active Directory does, but it is a complex unsupported hack that is sure to break at some point if either side is upgraded. If that's what you want, go out and buy an Active Directory server and integrate it into your Linux environment. 2) Use of LDAP for most small environments is overkill. NIS for auto-mount maps and account information (passwords stripped), is more then adequate here, but as the organization grows you may find NIS harder to manage then LDAP, so at that time I would migrate from NIS to LDAP. Of course there may be other reasons to use LDAP over NIS, such as third party application support where third party application configuration information is distributed through LDAP. Of course your choice will be based on your requirements independant of what anybody like myself says. I hope that helps clarify things. Indeed, and awesomely so. Many thanks. mhr (no grump here :-) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
John Hinton wrote on Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:09:26 -0400: Perhaps a new list name that might be considered would be CentOS-Extended or CentOS-Servers. A place where Apache conf can be discussed, as I'm sure the desktop users don't want to hear about this... or running a DNS server... and the hoards of issues that come with running a mailserver. I agree with all you said and I think that a distinction along the lines of how one uses CentOS might indeed help, say centos-server-users and centos-desktop-users or a list that is just about hardware and making it work with CentOS. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:18 -0500, Kenneth Price wrote: - John Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig White wrote: If you are going to go to multiple lists, might I suggest that you have 1 system-admins list and 1 general-users list and you can tightly But I would like a bit more freedom on the sysadmin list. The ability to get more in depth on particulars and include discussions of other software which interacts with existing systems to aid in going further... extending Centos so to speak. Do you think that by definition, the system-admins list should encompass that freedom? Linux system administration is not limited to bash scripting and configuring Apache virtual hosts, but also includes architecting multi-tiered, multi-faceted, multi-platform environments. I think the label of system-admins for a second list is going in the right direction. Maybe something a bit more specific, like CentOS-sysadmin-advanced? Not the best name, but conveys my idea. The understanding on that list is that the application of CentOS in real world environments can and should also be discussed. Eh? Yes, no, maybe? since I brought it up, I will elucidate my thinking... There are many users who are drawn to the 'enterprise' aspect of CentOS that are likely maintaining more than 1 CentOS system and use the list for more work related topics and are more put off by the tangential discussions. For obvious reasons, CentOS is not going to call it an 'enterprise' mail list and I was thinking that a list for 'system-admins' says much same thing in a much less competitive way. The second list of 'users' would not need to be held to a tight standard of on-topic discussions and could, should, would embrace those less experienced in open source software customs and etiquette. That said, I'm not sure that we need 2 lists but since Karanbir raised the topic, I thought I would guide it towards what I feel makes the most sense. Craig ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Kai Schaetzl wrote: I agree with all you said and I think that a distinction along the lines of how one uses CentOS might indeed help, say centos-server-users and centos-desktop-users or a list that is just about hardware and making it work with CentOS. Out of curiosity which major linux distro operates a fragmented mailing list such as the one proposed? I personally don't see why CentOS should be so elitist seeing it hasn't got the user-base/support-base of the major distros. Recently Wikipedia migrated from Red Hat/Fedora to Ubuntu? Why didn't they consider CentOS? I think I've seen Dag Wieers and Johhny Hughes posting questions on the Nahant-list, why not on this list or the Centos forum? Such a fragmentation as that proposed is one guaranteed to turn the CentOS mailing list along the lines of the CentOS forum. Spike. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:02 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: [snip] Karanbir, Have you looked at Usenet? It's user post/OT list history? Should give you good information on splitting a list into one or more parts and the results of doing so. Bob -- Bob Taylor ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:18:42AM -0500, Kenneth Price wrote: - John Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I would like a bit more freedom on the sysadmin list. The ability to get more in depth on particulars and include discussions of other software which interacts with existing systems to aid in going further... extending Centos so to speak. Do you think that by definition, the system-admins list should encompass that freedom? Linux system administration is not limited to bash scripting and configuring Apache virtual hosts, but also includes architecting multi-tiered, multi-faceted, multi-platform environments. I think the label of system-admins for a second list is going in the right direction. Maybe something a bit more specific, like CentOS-sysadmin-advanced? Not the best name, but conveys my idea. To be honest, I don't think this list should be split. Instead it should be more rigorously policed. This should be a list about CentOS, and working with CentOS. Generic SA type stuff (how do you do this generic task in script) should not be present here; there's already enough SA type lists out there. Similarly, Apache configuration shouldn't be here... although interaction between Apache and SELinux probably _should_. CentOS specific questions should be particularly welcome (which would, therefore, also include discussion of features from upstream). I guess a rule of thumb could be if the question and answer is materially unchanged if the OS is CentOS or Debian or Solaris or *BSD then it doesn't belong here. But that's just my opinion. -- rgds Stephen ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] strict memory
Hello All: Running 5.2 at our university. We have several student's processes that take up too much memory. Our system have 64G of RAM and some processes take close to 32-48G of RAM. This is causing many problems for others. I was wondering if there is a way to restrict memory usage per process? If the process goes over 32G simply kill it. Any thoughts or ideas? TIA ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal - meaningless
Spike Turner wrote: perhaps that is why core issues in CentOS like the kernel and samba are ignored by the developers? Examples :- http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-October/066143.html Thats a bit of a dribveby waste of space post that does not really merit a reply from anyone. Also if that was something that concerns you so much, what have you done about it ? http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-October/066154.html Johnny has been working on those. If the CentOS devs don't have time to answer key questions such as on the kernel but have time to consider fragmenting the mailing list who wins/loses? What barriers did you run into when you tried to help with the situation and try to be a better member of the community ? - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] strict memory
Hi, On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:48, Mag Gam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if there is a way to restrict memory usage per process? If the process goes over 32G simply kill it. You can limit the amount of virtual memory of a process with ulimit -v. See help ulimit or man bash for more details. HTH, Filipe ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Les Mikesell wrote: Centos-applications might make sense if the idea is to cover how to do things using programs that run on Centos - or when/how to replace the packaged apps with newer versions. But you might want hardware advice too. yes, also the idea of best practices is something that would / should really get more airtime. There is a *lot* of talent on this list, and I feel a lot of conversations dont really get projected well due to the nature of the conversation / this list. I dont see why people in this thread prefer to ignore that aspect of a new list - to create an avenue for that extra conversation. Also, all that talk about Redhat and Fedora lists working well as a single list is just noise. Have you looked at the number of lists there are there ? ( https://redhat.com/mailman/listinfo ) The idea is to create a new list, that focus's on some specific areas, and also provides the means to create more conversations amongst people, Not to kill any one list off or another. The word 'split' does not really figure anywhere in that plan. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] strict memory
Yes. Thanks. I was thinking of that too. Any other suggestions? TIA On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Filipe Brandenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:48, Mag Gam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if there is a way to restrict memory usage per process? If the process goes over 32G simply kill it. You can limit the amount of virtual memory of a process with ulimit -v. See help ulimit or man bash for more details. HTH, Filipe ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] central patch list
Is there a list somewhere of available updates for a given CentOS release? Something like this: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel4ws-errata.html Ideally I would like a something like: Bug DescriptionLink to update kernel blah,etchttp://some.rpm.com/.rpm -Mark -- Mark Belanger LTX Corporation ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] strict memory
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 at 12:48pm, Mag Gam wrote Running 5.2 at our university. We have several student's processes that take up too much memory. Our system have 64G of RAM and some processes take close to 32-48G of RAM. This is causing many problems for others. I was wondering if there is a way to restrict memory usage per process? If the process goes over 32G simply kill it. Any thoughts or ideas? Have a look at /etc/security/limits.conf. -- Joshua Baker-LePain QB3 Shared Cluster Sysadmin UCSF ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] strict memory
Mag Gam wrote: Hello All: Running 5.2 at our university. We have several student's processes that take up too much memory. Our system have 64G of RAM and some processes take close to 32-48G of RAM. This is causing many problems for others. I was wondering if there is a way to restrict memory usage per process? If the process goes over 32G simply kill it. Any thoughts or ideas? In /etc/profile, use ulimit -v (in kilobytes) to limit the max virtual of all processes spawned by that shell 32G per process on a 64G machine sounds like a bit much.wouldn't a limit more like 4GB per user session be more appropriate on a multiuser system? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Christopher Chan wrote: - technologies - best practices - deployment strategies and tools - management strategies and tools I don't know whether that will take off...has not it been tried outside centos.org by centos list members already? Not that I am aware of. But its worth a try here in .centos.org ( or so I feel anyway ). What we do or dont do will ultimately be based on what everyone feels about it. And to better cater to these conversations, as well as further encourage such content, we'd like to propose creating a 'centos-tech' list. They sound like 'general' stuff that lot. yes, a lot more generic than something that is distro specific. How about a centos-help list instead? I am not sure if that would work, its been tried many times and always fails back to the fact that everyone who posts to a list, has an issue they need help with. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] central patch list
Mark Belanger wrote: Is there a list somewhere of available updates for a given CentOS release? Something like this: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel4ws-errata.html Ideally I would like a something like: Bug DescriptionLink to update kernel blah,etchttp://some.rpm.com/.rpm The CentOS-announce list and the list achieves are the closest to that at the moment. There was talk and some design progress on creating a python based app that would have more detailed info, we lost traction with the main guy behind that needing to go do some other things ( like, actually gradate ). If anyone wants to help resurrect that, do get in touch :D - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Kenneth Price wrote: and that includes you, ya big teddy bear. I am not *that* fat! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
OT: [CentOS] new list proposal
On: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:01:54 +0100, Marcelo M. Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karanbir Singh wrote: One thing that we are often blamed for is trying to stifle conversations and to discourage people from commenting / contributing / encouraging conversations. And that cant be further from the truth, really. We are all pro-community ( and when I say we, I mean everyone - including the contributors, developers, admins, users, abusers and hey upstream too ). However, one thing that does get in the way, often, and something that we all feel creates a higher 'noise' ratio is conversations on this list about semi-related stuff, but not something that directly contributes to the general users of CentOS. Conversations that specifically address four areas: - technologies - best practices - deployment strategies and tools - management strategies and tools And to better cater to these conversations, as well as further encourage such content, we'd like to propose creating a 'centos-tech' list. Over a period of time, we would like to see the CentOS list become a more user help and distro specific list, with generic conversations moving to the centos-tech list. Hi I understand the eagerness to lower the noise ratio, but I think creating another list is not the solution, it will simply create an extra work for the people in the list centos in the sense that you will have to keep reminding people to use the tech list, or saying to newcomers that should sign for the tech list. Noise is the side effect of the success of the project CentOS. As the project grows, more people will be joining the list, and there will be more noise. In my opinion there aren't much off-topic/noise in this list. Regards Marcelo I too, see little problem with the current signal to noise ratio. Compared to some tech lists I subscribe too this one is pretty much always on the topic of some aspect of using CentOS effective and efficiently. If some people really have problems with the degree of latitude extended to subjects here then perhaps an appropriate solution is to set up a list called centos-strict and allow those that have strong feelings on the matter of appropriateness, whatever that turns out to mean, to subscribe there. Once a day a digest of the centos-strict list could be posted to this list, in a fashion similar to that done for CentOS announcements. So that topics of interest discussed there would still reach a wider audience. The existing centos list is pretty much established as the first port of call for a new contributor. It seems to me counter-productive to create a new list to serve that purpose and then force new people to resubscribe to a different list, doubtless after receiving abuse from self-appointed moral managers for posting the wrong subjects here. As a case in point, what does the creation of new mailing lists have to do with CentOS, exactly? What is deemed appropriate and on topic is really more a matter of taste than anything else. -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrnemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Harte Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [OT] what crashing means WAS: firefox is incredibly unstable
On Thursday 16 October 2008 12:08, bruce wrote: when you're saying crashing, what exactly do you mean?.. is it the app that crashes.. is it that your mouse/keyboard no longer works?, is your system still running (you can ssh into it), but you can't move your mouse??? it crashed, it asploded, it died, went bye bye, sionara, adios, headed for the exit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_(computing)#Application_crashes that is different than a system hang or a desktop freeze or an app freeze which are the other conditions you are describing, and need to be resolved by manually killing the offending process or with the power button. regards, Sam ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Bob Taylor wrote: Have you looked at Usenet? It's user post/OT list history? Should give you good information on splitting a list into one or more parts and the results of doing so. Last time I checked, there was more than 1 newsgroup. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: I understand the eagerness to lower the noise ratio, I've read and re-read my original email, and not one place can I find something that would lead so many people to believe that the whole aim of the new list was to reduce the noise ratio alone. Maybe I just didnt word my original email too well. Or perhaps there really is much resistance to talking about stuff along more generic lines here in this community. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal - meaningless
Karanbir Singh wrote: Thats a bit of a dribveby waste of space post that does not really merit a reply from anyone. Also if that was something that concerns you so much, what have you done about it ? http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-October/066154.html Johnny has been working on those. If the CentOS devs don't have time to answer key questions such as on the kernel but have time to consider fragmenting the mailing list who wins/loses? What barriers did you run into when you tried to help with the situation and try to be a better member of the community ? A driveby waste of space post was one by a certain Karanbir telling someone to recklessly upgrade Gnome when this is supposed to be an enterprise distro. What do you mean barriers? I have perused through a few lists and none of the the devs on other lists have an attitude like yours. This is why I think this fragmentation of the mailing lists is not to solve any problem other than that perceived by those 17 foot tall with egos to match. If people using CentOS are having problems e.g with the kernel and the devs don't have time to respond to questions on the list or on the forum, they don't have any extra sensory perception powers to automagically know that Johnny is working on those do they? Spike. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal - meaningless
Spike Turner wrote: A driveby waste of space post was one by a certain Karanbir telling someone to recklessly upgrade Gnome when this is supposed to be an enterprise distro. Last time I checked, it was still a free world ? unless you live in the US, in which case, all bets are off. And yes, I still maintain that its your machine, you should have the full liberty to do whatever you like with it. If people using CentOS are having problems e.g with the kernel and the devs don't have time to respond to questions on the list or on the forum, they don't have any extra sensory perception powers to automagically know that Johnny is working on those do they? you might want to look again, this issue has been raised and spoken about quite a few times, in quite a few different media. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: I understand the eagerness to lower the noise ratio, I've read and re-read my original email, and not one place can I find something that would lead so many people to believe that the whole aim of the new list was to reduce the noise ratio alone. Maybe I just didnt word my original email too well. Or perhaps there really is much resistance to talking about stuff along more generic lines here in this community. Given the overall poor reception of the idea, I'd just put it on the back burner for now... -Ross ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] strict memory
Hi John: Well, we run a lot of statistical analysis and our code loads a lot of data into a vector for fast calculations. I am not sure how else to do these calculations fast without loading it into memory. Thats why we have to do it this way. TIA On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:00 PM, John R Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mag Gam wrote: Hello All: Running 5.2 at our university. We have several student's processes that take up too much memory. Our system have 64G of RAM and some processes take close to 32-48G of RAM. This is causing many problems for others. I was wondering if there is a way to restrict memory usage per process? If the process goes over 32G simply kill it. Any thoughts or ideas? In /etc/profile, use ulimit -v (in kilobytes) to limit the max virtual of all processes spawned by that shell 32G per process on a 64G machine sounds like a bit much.wouldn't a limit more like 4GB per user session be more appropriate on a multiuser system? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross Walker wrote: Given the overall poor reception of the idea, I'd just put it on the back burner for now... yes, thats sounding like a good idea for the time being. - KB Thank you - for listening, participating, discussing and making the right choice. mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Stephen Harris wrote: To be honest, I don't think this list should be split. Instead it should be more rigorously policed. I have to disagree strongly with that, since policing generally wastes everyone's time with more noise that it manages to control and there will (and should) always be an influx of new users who won't understand arcane rules. This should be a list about CentOS, and working with CentOS. Generic SA type stuff (how do you do this generic task in script) should not be present here; there's already enough SA type lists out there. But the way you administer Centos or any RH-like system is very much different than the way you administer other systems. Anything that involves yum, rpm, chkconfig, system, system-config-*, or the various bits squirreled away under /etc/sysconfig are pretty system-specific and if the right answer involves them (as most SA tasks do) you'll get the wrong answer on a generic SA list. There's also the problem that if you mention the application versions you are running on Centos, the answer in any other forum will be update to current... which only rarely is the right thing to do. Similarly, Apache configuration shouldn't be here... although interaction between Apache and SELinux probably _should_. Or the bits that various system-specific packages splat into /etc/httpd/conf.d. CentOS specific questions should be particularly welcome (which would, therefore, also include discussion of features from upstream). I guess a rule of thumb could be if the question and answer is materially unchanged if the OS is CentOS or Debian or Solaris or *BSD then it doesn't belong here. If you have to ask a question, there is almost no chance that you will know if that is true about the answer or not. But even if you did, the missing piece is something that covers best practices or how to do things on Red Hat-like systems. There's not much that is really Centos-specific but a lot that applies across fedora, RH, and its rebuilds. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
MHR wrote: Thank you - for listening, participating, discussing and making the right choice. At the moment, its more a case of a 'failure to communicate' in my opinion. Lets see how it pans out. There are still some really good ideas in this thread, most worth looking at. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:08 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: this list isnt really a general list as you put it, its more of a user-help and support list for people who use and are considering to use CentOS. This is my understanding of the purpose of this list. This list is now also at a stage where the on-topic to off-topic ratio is high enough that plenty of people who join to talk about a specific issue, never return back to the list. I haven't really noticed the on topic off topic ratio being to high. There will *always* be people who join a list to ask for specific help then unsubscribe after getting their answer. Such is life. So we are not really doing much in terms of building the community, were in a state where there is one group of very vocal people, and lost of drive-by. Is that really the sort of situation we want to encourage and grow further into ? Are you saying the on topic posting have diminished and the cause is very vocal people and one subject people who are never heard from again? It has been my experience this is mostly a normal situation. It has also been my experience that there are people who just *must* attempt to take over. I would, after they are identified, just remove them from the list and blacklist them. Of course, let them know before hand. Also, if you were to be one of the moderators - how many hours a day, 7 days a week would you be offering to do sub minute response rates for all list moderation ? You may be asking for even *more* work with an additional list. The CentOS lists are not really moderated much, unless things go very crazy, and imho it would be nice to keep things that way. Focus the conversation, create more avenues for people to interact, and create a feedback loop that really does work. If for most people both the lists are going to be the same thing, well - feel free to subscribe to both. Just consider which one you want to start a conversation in when you do start a conversation and all will be well. If there is a decision to create two different lists, then I would strongly suggest that both be well defined as to the purpose as well as the subject matter allowed. Ofcourse, a mechanism to move a conversation between lists, along with auto-subscribe for all users contributing to that thread, into the moved-to-list, would be great to have! Any programmers want to volunteer? I have said enough already. Goodbye to this thread. Bob -- Bob Taylor ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Spike Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I've seen Dag Wieers and Johhny Hughes posting questions on the Nahant-list, why not on this list or the Centos forum? Such a fragmentation as that proposed is one guaranteed to turn the CentOS mailing list along the lines of the CentOS forum. Spike. I have been following this thread but have not said anything so far. But this one caught my eyes. Could you elaborate on the guaranteed to turn the CentOS mailing list along the lines of the CentOS forum part? Akemi (toracat, CentOS forum MODERATOR) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 18:12 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: Bob Taylor wrote: Have you looked at Usenet? It's user post/OT list history? Should give you good information on splitting a list into one or more parts and the results of doing so. Last time I checked, there was more than 1 newsgroup. Of course! I haven't been on the Linux lists for years. I do remember there were several. I meant to be specific to Linux lists for historical information on signal/noise etc. Sorry. Bob -- Bob Taylor ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Ross Walker wrote: Given the overall poor reception of the idea, I'd just put it on the back burner for now... yes, thats sounding like a good idea for the time being. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Spike Turner wrote: Out of curiosity which major linux distro operates a fragmented mailing list such as the one proposed? https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo http://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/ https://ml.mandriva.net/wws/lists Compared to those CentOS really has few lists. Recently Wikipedia migrated from Red Hat/Fedora to Ubuntu? Why didn't they consider CentOS? I don't know - do you? I think I've seen Dag Wieers and Johhny Hughes posting questions on the Nahant-list, why not on this list or the Centos forum? Because they had Nahant questions or wanted to make Nahant users or developers aware of something? I think basically they chose the venue they thought to be correct for the question. Such a fragmentation as that proposed is one guaranteed to turn the CentOS mailing list along the lines of the CentOS forum. In favour for the forums (and that from me!): It's massively easier to filter out stuff in a mailing list than it is to do so in a forum. Ralph pgpDHtmUCTiPb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Linux Expo, London 23rd to 25th Oct 2008
Hi, We need a few people to help with the CentOS booth at Linux Expo in London, from the 23rd to the 25th. If you are around and able to come hang out with the us ( Lance and I will be there too ) it would be much appreciated. If you are interested, reply to this thread here, on the centos-promo list or email me offlist. If you are in the area, come say hi anyway, even if you cant help at the booth ! Would be good to put faces to some of the names on this list. http://www.linuxexpo.org.uk/ - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Karanbir Singh wrote: And to better cater to these conversations, as well as further encourage such content, we'd like to propose creating a 'centos-tech' list. Over a period of time, we would like to see the CentOS list become a more user help and distro specific list, with generic conversations moving to the centos-tech list. Nah. It will be too fragmented and people will never figure out the difference between the lists. Just my $0.02 -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
I was interested in seeing what the actual vote results may be, so here's what I've calculated: New list as proposed - 5 Keep as is - 11 Either way - 2 Keep + update charter - 2 New list + new name/charter - 6 Not declared - 3 A few folks posted remarks, but I could not detect a vote - that's the not declared category. A few seemed to flip their vote through out the discussion - so I made a best guess as to their intent. I put myself into the keep as is category. -- tkb ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] new list proposal
hey tony... care to discern the future results of the US pres election!!! thanks for the laugh... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Toby Bluhm Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:32 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] new list proposal I was interested in seeing what the actual vote results may be, so here's what I've calculated: New list as proposed - 5 Keep as is - 11 Either way - 2 Keep + update charter - 2 New list + new name/charter - 6 Not declared - 3 A few folks posted remarks, but I could not detect a vote - that's the not declared category. A few seemed to flip their vote through out the discussion - so I made a best guess as to their intent. I put myself into the keep as is category. -- tkb ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] snmptrapd -A option deprecated?
Alle, The man page for snmptrapd (CentOS5.2/net-snmp-5.3.1-24.el5_2.1) *shows* the -A option (to append the output to file) is still valid, but it is not. snmptrapd -h omits the option and doesn't show an alternate flag. The option is still valid for snmpd. /etc/snmp/snmptrapd.options looks like this: OPTIONS=-A -Lf /var/log/snmptrapd.log -p /var/run/snmptrapd.pid Does anyone know if this option is still available? Best Regards, Camron -- Camron W. Fox Hilo Office High Performance Computing Group Fujitsu Management Services of America, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] m4v
Hi, I run 5.2, how do I play m4v videos? I am not trying to remove any DRM, only to view some Internet videos such as Lightroom killer tips: (http://www.lightroomkillertips.com/videos/download.php?file=lightroom_foldersanddrives.m4v) uses m4v files. Any suggestion? -- Thanks ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] m4v
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I run 5.2, how do I play m4v videos? I am not trying to remove any DRM, only to view some Internet videos such as Lightroom killer tips: Any suggestion? VLC and/or mplayer from the rpmforge repository: http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories Cheers, Ralph pgpqmUixRTVOS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] m4v
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I run 5.2, how do I play m4v videos? I am not trying to remove any DRM, only to view some Internet videos such as Lightroom killer tips: (http://www.lightroomkillertips.com/videos/download.php?file=lightroom_foldersanddrives.m4v) uses m4v files. Any suggestion? Livna is a repo based on delivering codecs for commercial multimedia. DVD, Windows Media, MPG4, Quicktime, etc. It has the potential of modifying base packages. -Ross ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] m4v
Ross Walker wrote: Livna is a repo based on delivering codecs for commercial multimedia. Livna has no CentOS support. Ralph pgpA4enYa6the.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: new list proposal
on 10-16-2008 3:08 AM William L. Maltby spake the following: On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 22:54 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: Karanbir Singh wrote: And to better cater to these conversations, as well as further encourage such content, we'd like to propose creating a 'centos-tech' list. Also, all comments are welcome! If there is a general feeling that this would help, then we will go ahead and setup the new list in the next few days. I think this is not a good solution. I've read all the other posts in this thread and there are a lot of good points. But... Since I've been on the list, it has *always* appeared to me to be not CentOS-specific. It rather appears to be mostly admin-centric. Both experienced and inexperienced users have posted, been helped, helped others. It has been, fortunately, mostly related to CentOS in that the posters are trying to do something on CentOS, not BSD, UNIX, It should, of course, remain so. Nevertheless, the primary focus seems towards administration, not CentOS. The enforcement of CentOSicity has been sporadic and arbitrary. The sporadic part has allowed this to become a very informative, usually friendly and productive tool. It reflects, IMO, the nature of its constituency. The arbitrary part has raised my hackles, even though I'm not the target (usually). Got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning usually crosses my mind. My feeling is that what has been generally tolerated on the list should continue: help with mail setup, wifi doesn't work, recommend insert your hardware here, php, browser problems, raid, file systems, ... you can see that very little is CentOS. But usually it is at least on a CentOS system. Because CentOS just works for so many, this list would really have very few posts that are on topic: upgrade 4.x-5.x broke my system (read the archives, that's not recommended), I can't get my wifi to work on 5.x (that hardware is too new - go get the driver from...), etc. A great number of these would be administration problems, not CentOS problems, and also would spawn tangential threads. They would then be referred to the new list, which would now look like this one used to look. Cross postings would begin to occur as many topics would be difficult to initially categorize. Is it a CentOS problem or a wetware problem? My recommendation is that this list continue as it has, with the exception of the arbitrary enforcement of CentOSicity. This should be either consistently enforced, reducing the utility and population of this list, or only enforced that you must be using/administering/setting up... a CentOS system. This will acknowledge the nature of an enterprise class user, continue to support the growth of CentOS, aid the user in innumerable ways, ... For those who want a much narrower scope of topics, start lists for them. From the day I first subscribed, the reality has been that this list has been: - technologies - best practices - deployment strategies and tools - management strategies and tools to quote you, along with the other things I've mentioned. Local filters, DEL, etc. can handle the chores for those that want a very narrow view. MHO I have to second that. If people get to the one on one point that I see soo often, they really should be taking it off-list anyway.. IE .. If two men have a disagreement at a pub, they should go outside. If others want to watch they can go off list with them and the combatants can reply-all and keep the thread going as long as they wish. The back and forth sword fighting on list just gets the admins involved, and starts another fight somewhere else. If the admins are spanking the list members, they have less of their sparse time left for other things that they might have been getting done or trying to get done. Now I am done, and off this thread If any body wants a piece of me, lets go outside!!! ;-D -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: Centos 5 and Driver Disks
on 10-15-2008 7:33 PM Clint Dilks spake the following: Hi, I am trying to install CentOS 5.2 on a Dell PowerEdge R905, and a problem that you run into is that the DVD Drive on the system is not recognized by the kernel. I have done some searching on the web and found http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/FAQ_103_13121.shtm and obtained the driver disk that it mentions. Having followed the instructions I can see and select the driver disk image but the install thinks there are no appropriate drivers in the image. Can someone please confirm or deny that I should be able to use a Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 Driver with CentOS 5 without issue ? It isn't a big deal as I will try a Network based install or use a USB DVD drive but I just want to confirm if using a RHEL 5 Driver Disk should work :) Thanks, and have a nice day It should work in theory. But if the driver disk is for RedHat 5u1, it probably won't work with CentOS 5.2, as the install media will have a different kernel. The driver disk only patches the running installer kernel AFAIR. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: Missing something about sendmail
on 10-16-2008 12:56 AM Paul R. Ganci spake the following: Christopher Chan wrote: I have a strange problem that I don't understand. I have an access file which has the following line: Did you run makemap? Does the db file contain the same stuff as the text file? Yes. The output of makemap -u hash access.db access_dump shows 168.144.250.215 OK # xsmtp02.mail2web.com It is there. After a lot of research I realized I am using two features that muck with the check_relay ruleset. The DCC hackmc script to make DCC understand about whitelisting from the access database and FEATURE(`require_rdns2',`forgedignore')dnl which requires the relay to have a rDNS. This changes the usual check_relay code albeit I haven't figured out how it can generate a 553 error code along with an OK. It is probably ignoring your # as a comment delimiter. So it is picking up # xsmtp02.mail2web.com as part of the error text. Try to have the comment on a line by itself, maybe directly above the ip address. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: central patch list
on 10-16-2008 9:49 AM Mark Belanger spake the following: Is there a list somewhere of available updates for a given CentOS release? Something like this: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel4ws-errata.html Ideally I would like a something like: Bug DescriptionLink to update kernel blah,etchttp://some.rpm.com/.rpm -Mark Shouldn't the CentOS patches follow the RedHat patch list? They may be behind by a few days when the number of patches is large, but the announce list seems to parallel the RedHat list. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] DHCP static hosts and subnet configuration
This I am not sure can be done with dhcpd. However you can specify NIC to fixed static addys and the nic harware address in the dhcp.conf file. How does that work? JohnStanley Writes: This is what I am talking about at the end of the .conf file below. That is what you are trying or wantting to accomplish? This is actualy a confiuration I use. In all respect I have a question for you Are you wantting to try this solution because you cant access another subnet? If now you are then you need to have a look at your routing tables in your routers or vlan configuration on your switches. That's just question or two I could be wrong. Dear John. This is definitely not what I am trying to do. I try to line out the setup again: Subnet A (192.168.2.x) - DHCP Server with 2 NICs - Subnet B (10.1.0.0) Clients on Subnet A should get a static IP from the host declaration. Clients on Subnet B should obtain dynamic IP addresses from a range. The two subnets are not physically connected but a Client should be able to connect to Subnet A or to Subnet B as well. Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: central patch list
Scott Silva wrote: on 10-16-2008 9:49 AM Mark Belanger spake the following: Is there a list somewhere of available updates for a given CentOS release? Something like this: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel4ws-errata.html Ideally I would like a something like: Bug DescriptionLink to update kernel blah,etchttp://some.rpm.com/.rpm -Mark Shouldn't the CentOS patches follow the RedHat patch list? They may be behind by a few days when the number of patches is large, but the announce list seems to parallel the RedHat list. Probably but it's just a bit klunky to tranlate RH patches into CentOS announce list and finally into a patch location. -Mark -- Mark Belanger LTX Corporation ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
