date:20101124

Hi,

on our cluster we have 5 network interfaces. I was surprised to discover
that the ifcfd-* files under /etc/sysconfig/networking and
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts were not the same. So I have searched a
little bit, but I'm now confused:

- the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking come from system-config-network.
- the files under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts are read by the
/etc/init.d/network script and used to set up the network interfaces.
- I don't find where the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking are used.
- Does system-config-network modify the file under
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts too ?

Is there someone who can enlightenment me ?

Thx in advance,
Best regards,
Guillaume

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.5: what do /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts exactly ?

2010-11-24 Thread Rudi Ahlers

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:14 AM, giggzounet giggzou...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 on our cluster we have 5 network interfaces. I was surprised to discover
 that the ifcfd-* files under /etc/sysconfig/networking and
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts were not the same. So I have searched a
 little bit, but I'm now confused:

 - the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking come from system-config-network.
 - the files under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts are read by the
 /etc/init.d/network script and used to set up the network interfaces.
 - I don't find where the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking are used.
 - Does system-config-network modify the file under
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts too ?

 Is there someone who can enlightenment me ?

 Thx in advance,
 Best regards,
 Guillaume

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I always only use /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.5: what do /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts exactly ?

2010-11-24 Thread John R Pierce

On 11/24/10 12:14 AM, giggzounet wrote:
 Hi,

 on our cluster we have 5 network interfaces. I was surprised to discover
 that the ifcfd-* files under /etc/sysconfig/networking and
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts were not the same. So I have searched a
 little bit, but I'm now confused:

 - the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking come from system-config-network.
 - the files under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts are read by the
 /etc/init.d/network script and used to set up the network interfaces.
 - I don't find where the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking are used.
 - Does system-config-network modify the file under
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts too ?

 Is there someone who can enlightenment me ?

take a look at /etc/rc.d/init.d/network

thats the script that runs all that other stuff to fire up all the 
networking interfaces defined.

its moderately complicated.


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Re: [CentOS] slow network throughput, how to improve?

2010-11-24 Thread John Hodrien

On Wed, 24 Nov 2010, Rudi Ahlers wrote:

 r...@zaxen02.securehosting.co.za:/vm/xen/template/centos-5-x64-cpanel
 r...@zaxen02.securehosting.co.za:/
 r...@zaxen02.securehosting.co.za's password:
 centos-5-x64-cpanel.tar.gz
100% 1163MB
 29.1MB/s   00:40

Are you using scp here?  You'll find you get better throughput if you use
something else, or change the cipher to something lighter weight

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[CentOS] CentOS vs. RHEL vs. Oracle Linux ?

2010-11-24 Thread Niki Kovacs

Hi,

I've been contacted by a local training center specialized in Oracle 
databases, to train a group of four administrators to use Linux. They're 
supposed to use Oracle Linux (more exactly OL5), which I understand is 
some specialized version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

I'm reasonably proficient with CentOS. I've been using it exclusively on 
desktops and servers since 2007 (version 4.3 if I remember correctly), 
after a few years on Slackware and Debian. I've setup CentOS-based 
networks in small town halls, public libraries and schools, my dedicated 
webserver is running the latest CentOS, and I've published a book about 
basic Linux concepts entirely based on CentOS 5.3.

On the other hand, I've never got to work on the real thing, so to 
speak. The only time I put my hands on a Red Hat Enterprise Linux server 
was to retrieve the root password for a distracted client (add 
init=/bin/bash to the kernel line in GRUB, mount -o remount,rw /, passwd 
:oD). And I never came near a machine running Oracle Linux.

What differences can I expect between a server running Oracle Linux and 
my average server running CentOS ? As far as I can guess, their 
unbreakable Linux kernel will still be some package called 'kernel' 
(with the according 'kernel-devel' and 'kernel-headers' packages). 
Probably Yum will be used as a dependency resolver (will it?), only with 
different repositories. And for the rest, I except it to work the same, 
in that I can still use chkconfig, ntsysv, rpm, etc. (what about 
system-config-securitylevel-tui or similar tools?)

In short, what differences/similarities can I expect? Is there some 
document stating these?

Cheers from the sunny South of France,

Niki Kovacs

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Re: [CentOS] slow network throughput, how to improve?

2010-11-24 Thread Rudi Ahlers

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:35 AM, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote:
 On Wed, 24 Nov 2010, Rudi Ahlers wrote:

 r...@zaxen02.securehosting.co.za:/vm/xen/template/centos-5-x64-cpanel
 r...@zaxen02.securehosting.co.za:/
 r...@zaxen02.securehosting.co.za's password:
 centos-5-x64-cpanel.tar.gz
                                                    100% 1163MB
 29.1MB/s   00:40

 Are you using scp here?  You'll find you get better throughput if you use
 something else, or change the cipher to something lighter weight

 jh
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Yes, I used scp as a quick simple test. What would give me better
performance though?

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Re: [CentOS] slow network throughput, how to improve?

2010-11-24 Thread John Hodrien

On Wed, 24 Nov 2010, Rudi Ahlers wrote:

 Yes, I used scp as a quick simple test. What would give me better
 performance though?

Well, anything that doesn't encrypt would be worth a shot.

Here's a basic scp to /dev/null
scp /tmp/tempfile othermachine:/dev/null
tempfile  100% 1000MB  37.0MB/s   00:27

Compare that with reading the same file over a basic NFS mount:

$ dd if=/nfs/tempfile of=/dev/null
1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 10.3707 seconds, 101 MB/s

If you've got slow processors you'll find that scp -c blowfish is noticeably
faster, but the faster the cores are, the less you'll notice an improvement.

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[CentOS] Centos 5.5 - php53 and mhash

2010-11-24 Thread f...@ll

Hi,

I'm using repo from http://dl.iuscommunity.org/ and I want use php5.3
but I can't see module php53-mhash, where I find this module? Any repo
can I use where this module I find?

f...@ll

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Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.5 - php53 and mhash

2010-11-24 Thread Juergen Gotteswinter

you should ask that on the ius repo mailinglist (if theres one..)

Am 24.11.10 10:16, schrieb f...@ll:
 Hi,

 I'm using repo from http://dl.iuscommunity.org/ and I want use php5.3
 but I can't see module php53-mhash, where I find this module? Any repo
 can I use where this module I find?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS vs. RHEL vs. Oracle Linux ?

2010-11-24 Thread rainer

 Hi,

 I've been contacted by a local training center specialized in Oracle
 databases, to train a group of four administrators to use Linux. They're
 supposed to use Oracle Linux (more exactly OL5), which I understand is
 some specialized version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.


I think they offer you a choice of kernels.
Their own kernel has performance enhancements.

It's also supposed to be cheaper in maintenance than RHEL.
But AFAIK, it's a re-engineering of RHEL in the same way CentOS is.
Just with commercial support (and geared towards running Oracle stuff).

I just looked and at the most basic level (patches only) it costs
94/year/system.

Does anybody know how fast they implement the fixes from upstream?


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.5: what do /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts exactly ?

2010-11-24 Thread Philippe Naudin

Le mer 24 nov 2010 00:22:36 CET, John R Pierce a écrit:

 On 11/24/10 12:14 AM, giggzounet wrote:
  Hi,
 
  on our cluster we have 5 network interfaces. I was surprised to discover
  that the ifcfd-* files under /etc/sysconfig/networking and
  /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts were not the same. So I have searched a
  little bit, but I'm now confused:
 
  - the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking come from system-config-network.
  - the files under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts are read by the
  /etc/init.d/network script and used to set up the network interfaces.
  - I don't find where the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking are used.
  - Does system-config-network modify the file under
  /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts too ?
 
  Is there someone who can enlightenment me ?
 
 take a look at /etc/rc.d/init.d/network
 
 thats the script that runs all that other stuff to fire up all the 
 networking interfaces defined.
 
 its moderately complicated.

Or easier : /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt

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[CentOS] Centos 5.5 - php53 and mhash

2010-11-24 Thread R P Herrold

On Wed, 24 Nov 2010, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote:

 you should ask that on the ius repo mailinglist (if theres one..)

 I'm using repo from http://dl.iuscommunity.org/ and I want use php5.3

there is such:

List-Subscribe: https://launchpad.net/~ius-community
List-Unsubscribe: https://launchpad.net/~ius-community
List-Archive: http://lists.launchpad.net/ius-community

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Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

Les Mikesell wrote:
 On 11/22/10 10:28 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
   
 On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:09:59 -0600
 Les Mikesell wrote:

 
 I don't think they ever did a real native *nix verson - they had a slightly
 custom version of wine wrapped around the windows code.
   
 Native WP for Unix existed back in the days of WP/DOS and the like.

 WP ran on a huge number of platforms.  I still have WP 4.1 for Amiga laying
 around here somewhere.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPerfect

 While available in DOS and Microsoft Windows versions, its popularity was 
 based
 in part on the fact that it was available for a wide variety of computers and
 operating systems, including Mac OS, Linux, the Apple IIe, a separate version
 for the Apple IIgs, most popular versions of Unix, VMS, Data General,
 System/370, AmigaOS, Atari ST, OS/2, and NeXTSTEP.
 

 That's going back to the character-mode days.  I meant the GUI version.
   
I used an X11 version on some Unix variant a long time ago - possibly 
IRIX, but it may have been the DEC one (or both.) This was several years 
before they released the WINE based thing you are talking about, which I 
believe was Linux only. In fact, I think there was a Linux version of 
the native X11 port, too - then they replaced it with the wine variant 
to avoid maintaining so many different branches of the code, or 
something. (BAAAD decision...)

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[CentOS] DisplayPort output with intel graphics driver?

Hi.

We've installed CentOS 5.5 on a mini PC with an onboard Intel graphics 
chip, which has both VGA and DisplayPort output. This works reasonably 
well, except that I'd like to connect the monitor to the DisplayPort, 
and I only seem to get a signal on the VGA connector. This is the case 
even if I boot with the DisplayPort (only) connected, in which case 
console output during boot goes to the DisplayPort, but the graphical 
output does not. On the other hand, . DisplayPort display did work when 
booting from a live Ubuntu CD.

Is there anything I can do to get the correct display setup? Note that 
the driver used is intel, not i810.

Thanks,

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Re: [CentOS] Boot failure after install on IBM x3550 M3

Toralf Lund wrote:
Rob Kampen wrote:

Toralf Lund wrote:

I'm trying to install CentOS 5.5 on a couple of servers of type IBM
System x3550 M3, but it's not going too well. Actually, the install
setup phase runs as expected, and the actual installation also
appears
to be successful, but the system will not boot [ ... ]

Make sure all the firmware is up to date. I've had an IBM x3550 M3
and it couldn't even boot a Windows 2008 R2 64 bit CD with the
firmware it shipped with.

That seems like a useful tip, but do you know what exactly I need to
install and where to find it? I'm looking at an IBM download page right
now, but it's a little confusing - I can't seem to find anything that
it's obviously the *system* firmware, only entries like Firmware for
Rack Tower LCD UPS and Firmware for Local Console Manager.

- Toralf

What's the model and type? It should be -yyy where x can be 0-9 and
y can be 0-9 A-z. You can find it on the front of the chassis.

[ ... ]

Search for UEFI firmware. Those IBM servers don't have a classic BIOS
anymore, they are EFI based. I looked it up following your model/type and
found the updates.

http://www-933.ibm.com/support/fixcentral/systemx/quickorder?parent=ibm/Systemx3550M3product=ibm/systemx/7944platform=Allfunction=fixIdfixids=ibm_fw_uefi_d6e149a_linux_32-64source=fc

Ah. Thanks.

I believe I missed that file because I searched for operating system
independent components (because firmware doesn't use the OS, right?),
but apparently I should have chosen some Linux variant instead.

I should perhaps mention that I found a solution, sort of: It seems like
the problem is that the system simply won't boot from a single hard disk
set up as just that - a single, separate drive. I suspect this has
something to do with the disk/RAID controller firmware, but updating it
did not help. If, on the other hand, I define (from within the
controller setup screen) a RAID containing only one drive, everything
works just fine...

Try nodmraid on the kernel line in grub - I needed this after one of
the upgrades in the 5.x series.

The problem is that the system never gets to the grub stage, i.e. it
fails to boot from hard drive at the BIOS level, so as to speak.

Of course, this probably means the problem isn't related to CentOS at
all, but I didn't quite realise that when I posted the original question...

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS vs. RHEL vs. Oracle Linux ?

2010-11-24 Thread Scott Robbins

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 09:50:07AM +0100, Niki Kovacs wrote:
 Hi,
 
 What differences can I expect between a server running Oracle Linux and 
 my average server running CentOS ? As far as I can guess, their 
 unbreakable Linux kernel will still be some package called 'kernel' 
 (with the according 'kernel-devel' and 'kernel-headers' packages). 
 Probably Yum will be used as a dependency resolver (will it?), only with 
 different repositories. And for the rest, I except it to work the same, 
 in that I can still use chkconfig, ntsysv, rpm, etc. (what about 
 system-config-securitylevel-tui or similar tools?)

Well, it's pretty similar.  I'm not sure if I messed up the installation
or not, but I had to later download reops--it has yum, chkconfig,
service and so on. 

I didn't find a samba package, but as this was for one oracle developer
to transfer files, we just used winscp.  (I also didn't look hard for a
samba package, at present, this is just a test.)

Disk naming seems slightly different--we went with more standard
partitions rather than LVM, and rather than /dev/sda and so on, it was
/dev---arrgh, I'm not at work, and my mind just went blank--errm, xda
and xdb?  At any rate, it will be fairly obvious. 

As mentioned, this is a test, and while I don't know all the
circumstances, we're not entitled to support--if you do it officially,
as opposed to what is probably a trial version, there is support, and I
assume (but note, that's an assumption, not knowledge), one could call
and ask things like, Where can I find samba? 

(Samba client and samba common was available, but no smbd.  Again, I did
NO googling on this, just did yum provides */smbd, got no results, and
then used WinSCP.)

There won't be any major shocks.  On the other hand, in our case,
there's nothing at all tricky for my part of it--I just had to get a
basic server running for the oracle developers to use. 

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS vs. RHEL vs. Oracle Linux ?

2010-11-24 Thread Hakan Koseoglu

On 24 November 2010 11:57, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Well, it's pretty similar.  I'm not sure if I messed up the installation
It's almost identical. Oracle kernel parameters  dependencies can be
automatically installed during installation albeit later on Oracle
RDBMS installation gives you warnings since it doesn't like the
default values in /etc/sysctl.conf as populated by OEL.

The rest? Almost completely identical to upstream.

 I didn't find a samba package, but as this was for one oracle developer
 to transfer files, we just used winscp.  (I also didn't look hard for a
 samba package, at present, this is just a test.)
Are you sure?

[r...@fubar ~]# rpm -qf /usr/sbin/smbd
samba-3.0.33-3.7.el5

 Disk naming seems slightly different--we went with more standard
 partitions rather than LVM, and rather than /dev/sda and so on, it was
 /dev---arrgh, I'm not at work, and my mind just went blank--errm, xda
 and xdb?  At any rate, it will be fairly obvious.
Nope, all comes as sda/sdb etc. if you don't use LVM unless your
external storage is funky.

 assume (but note, that's an assumption, not knowledge), one could call
 and ask things like, Where can I find samba?
Erm, maybe one of these should contain it? (It is pretty visible
during the installation).

[r...@hobbit Oracle Unbreakable Linux]# mount -o loop -t iso9660
Enterprise-R5-U5-Server-x86_64-dvd.iso /mnt/mnt1
[r...@hobbit Oracle Unbreakable Linux]# cd /mnt/mnt1
[r...@hobbit Oracle Unbreakable Linux]# find /mnt/mnt1 -iname samba*
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba-3.0.33-3.28.el5.x86_64.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba-client-3.0.33-3.28.el5.x86_64.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba-common-3.0.33-3.28.el5.i386.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba-common-3.0.33-3.28.el5.x86_64.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba-swat-3.0.33-3.28.el5.x86_64.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba3x-3.3.8-0.51.el5.x86_64.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba3x-client-3.3.8-0.51.el5.x86_64.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba3x-common-3.3.8-0.51.el5.x86_64.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba3x-doc-3.3.8-0.51.el5.x86_64.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba3x-domainjoin-gui-3.3.8-0.51.el5.x86_64.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba3x-swat-3.3.8-0.51.el5.x86_64.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba3x-winbind-3.3.8-0.51.el5.i386.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba3x-winbind-devel-3.3.8-0.51.el5.i386.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba3x-winbind-devel-3.3.8-0.51.el5.x86_64.rpm
/mnt/mnt1/Server/samba3x-winbind-3.3.8-0.51.el5.x86_64.rpm

 (Samba client and samba common was available, but no smbd.  Again, I did
 NO googling on this, just did yum provides */smbd, got no results, and
 then used WinSCP.)
It appears you didn't even look for it. :)

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.5: what do /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts exactly ?

Le 24/11/2010 09:22, John R Pierce a écrit :
 On 11/24/10 12:14 AM, giggzounet wrote:
 Hi,

 on our cluster we have 5 network interfaces. I was surprised to discover
 that the ifcfd-* files under /etc/sysconfig/networking and
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts were not the same. So I have searched a
 little bit, but I'm now confused:

 - the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking come from system-config-network.
 - the files under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts are read by the
 /etc/init.d/network script and used to set up the network interfaces.
 - I don't find where the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking are used.
 - Does system-config-network modify the file under
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts too ?

 Is there someone who can enlightenment me ?
 
 take a look at /etc/rc.d/init.d/network
 
 thats the script that runs all that other stuff to fire up all the 
 networking interfaces defined.
 
 its moderately complicated.

Thx for your answer.

this script just uses /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. All my interfaces
work fine. My problem sit to understand the intereaction between
/etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. When I
boot the network script read and set up my interface with the
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts files. So why are there
/etc/sysconfig/networking ? how these /etc/sysconfig/networking files
are used ?

THx a lot.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.5: what do /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts exactly ?

Le 24/11/2010 10:43, Philippe Naudin a écrit :
 Le mer 24 nov 2010 00:22:36 CET, John R Pierce a écrit:
 
 On 11/24/10 12:14 AM, giggzounet wrote:
 Hi,

 on our cluster we have 5 network interfaces. I was surprised to discover
 that the ifcfd-* files under /etc/sysconfig/networking and
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts were not the same. So I have searched a
 little bit, but I'm now confused:

 - the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking come from system-config-network.
 - the files under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts are read by the
 /etc/init.d/network script and used to set up the network interfaces.
 - I don't find where the files under /etc/sysconfig/networking are used.
 - Does system-config-network modify the file under
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts too ?

 Is there someone who can enlightenment me ?

 take a look at /etc/rc.d/init.d/network

 thats the script that runs all that other stuff to fire up all the 
 networking interfaces defined.

 its moderately complicated.
 
 Or easier : /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt
 

great! thx

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Re: [CentOS] Router for SOHO network - hardware considerations

2010-11-24 Thread Lorenzo Quatrini

Niki Kovacs ha scritto:
 Hi,
 
 Last week I finished installing a small network in a private school : 
 one server (an old IBM X225), seventeen desktops (Fujitsu Siemens PIV 
 2.4 GHZ, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB HD), all running CentOS 5.5.
 
 One extra machine is acting as a router, in that it is installed between 
 the DSL modem and the network, with two Ethernet cards, and it's taking 
 care of DHCP, DNS, NTP and also acts like a proxy (with Squid). It seems 
 quite big and noisy and electricity-consuming to me, so I wonder if 
 there is any small device that could possibly do the job as good, but 
 which would me more adapted : small, solid and cheap (if possible). I 
 imagine some tiny box just with a CPU and a small harddisk, a little RAM 
 and two network interfaces (one out, one in), where I could install a 
 very stripped-down CentOS, and then just forget about it.
 
 So far, I've googled a bit, and I've found two things: 1) Pyramid 
 Soekris boards, where I can put something like Pyramid Linux on it. And 
 2) The Linksys WRT54GL, for which there are Linux firmwares like OpenWRT 
 and DD-WRT.
 
 Is there anything you could especially recommend for this job? (I'm not 
 afraid of getting my hands dirty, BTW :oD)
 
 Cheers,
 
 Niki
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Hi Niki,
I would like to suggest the Tp-Link TL-WR1043ND; it could be a little more
expensive than the Linksys, but it has a more powerful cpu, more ram and an usb
port (and more or less same power consumption) for around 50 Euros.

I'm using it with the original firmware, and I tested OpenWRT on it; next I
will try endian, but I have to say that I'm very satisfied with it and I would
recomend it: the system is fast and responsive, and the usb port adds really a
lot of flexibility (eg. file sharing, usb dongle backup, squid with cache and
so on...).

HTH
Regards
Lorenzo

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Re: [CentOS] slow network throughput, how to improve?

2010-11-24 Thread Hakan Koseoglu

On 24 November 2010 08:51, Rudi Ahlers r...@softdux.com wrote:
 Yes, I used scp as a quick simple test. What would give me better
 performance though?
netcat, ftp. Anything that has low overhead (unlike encryption on a
single thread)
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.5: what do /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts exactly ?

2010-11-24 Thread Nicolas Thierry-Mieg

giggzounet wrote:
 Le 24/11/2010 09:22, John R Pierce a écrit :
 this script just uses /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. All my interfaces
 work fine. My problem sit to understand the intereaction between
 /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. When I
 boot the network script read and set up my interface with the
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts files. So why are there
 /etc/sysconfig/networking ? how these /etc/sysconfig/networking files
 are used ?

AFAIK /etc/sysconfig/networking/* is only used by system-config-network, 
you can define profiles and then switch from one to the other, and 
system-config-network copies (or hardlinks?) the relevant parts to 
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts.
Note that lots of stuff in /etc/sysconfig/networking are hardlinks to 
files in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts or /etc (eg hosts and 
resolv.conf on my system here), they're not actually different files.

Just avoid system-config-network and configure stuff yourself in 
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts and /etc/sysconfig/network, and you'll be 
fine.
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Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

Hi,

On 11/23/2010 01:41 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
 Did you really struggle to find a more appropriate place to discuss
 something like this ? :)

 Where is a group of people that might be more affected by the fallout?  Not 
 that
 there's much we can do about it...


Most of the conversation that has resulted from that post is irrelevant 
to this list or what we do here. Pretty much every impact you can 
imagine from here is imagination, guesstimate and fud.

Please keep off topic stuff away from this list. We have quite a nice 
signal:noise ratio and we've also had quite a few new people join up the 
lists and contribute to issues on and around CentOS, the technical 
ecosystem and help each other with centos specific stuff. Lets try and 
keep it to that.

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Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

On 11/24/2010 10:32 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:
 That's going back to the character-mode days.  I meant the GUI version.

 I used an X11 version on some Unix variant a long time ago - possibly
 IRIX, but it may have been the DEC one (or both.) This was several years

Thats good, but how is that even remotely related to his list ?

If there is enough interest to build a social sort of list around the 
centos community, we can always fire up a centos-chatter or 
centos-social mailing list. Doing this on irc has been, imho, most 
successful.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.5: what do /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts exactly ?

2010-11-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
nicolas.thierry-m...@imag.fr wrote:
 giggzounet wrote:
 Le 24/11/2010 09:22, John R Pierce a écrit :
 this script just uses /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. All my interfaces
 work fine. My problem sit to understand the intereaction between
 /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. When I
 boot the network script read and set up my interface with the
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts files. So why are there
 /etc/sysconfig/networking ? how these /etc/sysconfig/networking files
 are used ?

 AFAIK /etc/sysconfig/networking/* is only used by system-config-network,
 you can define profiles and then switch from one to the other, and
 system-config-network copies (or hardlinks?) the relevant parts to
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts.
 Note that lots of stuff in /etc/sysconfig/networking are hardlinks to
 files in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts or /etc (eg hosts and
 resolv.conf on my system here), they're not actually different files.

 Just avoid system-config-network and configure stuff yourself in
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts and /etc/sysconfig/network, and you'll be
 fine.

And, in fact, system-config-network is quite dangerous. It's one of
numerous tools that will manipulate the network scripts, does so
inconsistently, and will overwrite legitimate stored values from the
actual /etc/sysconfig/netw-rk-scripts/ files without any way to
restore the relevant values. Pair bonding, for example, can only be
configured manually and system-config-network blows it away.

Don't use it if you can avoid it. Use netconfig (which is,
unfortunately, discarded for RHEL 6) or learn the new, bloated, and
also inconsistently managed ways of NetworkManager. (I'm not happy
about NetworkManager, but we seem to be stuck with it going forward.)
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.5: what do /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts exactly ?

Le 24/11/2010 13:50, Nico Kadel-Garcia a écrit :
 On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
 nicolas.thierry-m...@imag.fr wrote:
 giggzounet wrote:
 Le 24/11/2010 09:22, John R Pierce a écrit :
 this script just uses /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. All my interfaces
 work fine. My problem sit to understand the intereaction between
 /etc/sysconfig/networking and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. When I
 boot the network script read and set up my interface with the
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts files. So why are there
 /etc/sysconfig/networking ? how these /etc/sysconfig/networking files
 are used ?

 AFAIK /etc/sysconfig/networking/* is only used by system-config-network,
 you can define profiles and then switch from one to the other, and
 system-config-network copies (or hardlinks?) the relevant parts to
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts.
 Note that lots of stuff in /etc/sysconfig/networking are hardlinks to
 files in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts or /etc (eg hosts and
 resolv.conf on my system here), they're not actually different files.

 Just avoid system-config-network and configure stuff yourself in
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts and /etc/sysconfig/network, and you'll be
 fine.
 
 And, in fact, system-config-network is quite dangerous. It's one of
 numerous tools that will manipulate the network scripts, does so
 inconsistently, and will overwrite legitimate stored values from the
 actual /etc/sysconfig/netw-rk-scripts/ files without any way to
 restore the relevant values. Pair bonding, for example, can only be
 configured manually and system-config-network blows it away.
 
 Don't use it if you can avoid it. Use netconfig (which is,
 unfortunately, discarded for RHEL 6) or learn the new, bloated, and
 also inconsistently managed ways of NetworkManager. (I'm not happy
 about NetworkManager, but we seem to be stuck with it going forward.)

ok thx for all your answers!

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Re: [CentOS] best way to start and shutdown programs in CentOS?

2010-11-24 Thread killscript

Les Mikesell wrote:
 The RedHat/Centos way of doing things is to have init scripts in
 /etc/rc.d/init.d that take at least start, stop, and restart as arguments for
 each program that should start automatically.  Then for the runlevels where 
 you
 want them to start you have a symlink where the name starts with S and the 
 rest
 is a number to make it sort alphabetically into the order that things should
 start in /etc/rc?.d (where the ? is the runlevel).  Likewise add links 
 starting
 with 'K' in the levels where the process should be stopped.There is a
 convention for comments in the scripts so that 'checkconfig program on' can 
 make
 the links for you.  Look through some of the other scripts to see how they 
 work.

Sorry for the stupid question here, but does the /etc/initd./scriptname 
file know about these symlinks because of a particular comment in there?

Where and how is the best way to make these symlinks once you have the 
correct file configuration.


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Re: [CentOS] best way to start and shutdown programs in CentOS?

2010-11-24 Thread Hakan Koseoglu

On 24 November 2010 14:20, killscript killscr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Les Mikesell wrote:
 The RedHat/Centos way of doing things is to have init scripts in
 /etc/rc.d/init.d that take at least start, stop, and restart as arguments for
 each program that should start automatically.  Then for the runlevels where 
 you
 want them to start you have a symlink where the name starts with S and the 
 rest
 is a number to make it sort alphabetically into the order that things should
 start in /etc/rc?.d (where the ? is the runlevel).  Likewise add links 
 starting
 with 'K' in the levels where the process should be stopped.    There is a
 convention for comments in the scripts so that 'checkconfig program on' can 
 make
 the links for you.  Look through some of the other scripts to see how they 
 work.

 Sorry for the stupid question here, but does the /etc/initd./scriptname
 file know about these symlinks because of a particular comment in there?
Copied from the man file for chkconfig:

RUNLEVEL FILES
   Each service which should be manageable by chkconfig needs two
or more commented lines added to its  init.d  script.  The  first
   line  tells chkconfig what runlevels the service should be
started in by default, as well as the start and stop priority levels.
   If the service should not, by default, be started in any
runlevels, a - should be used in place of the runlevels list.  The
sec-
   ond line contains a description for the service, and may be
extended across multiple lines with backslash continuation.

   For example, random.init has these three lines:
   # chkconfig: 2345 20 80
   # description: Saves and restores system entropy pool for \
   #  higher quality random number generation.
   This  says that the random script should be started in levels
2, 3, 4, and 5, that its start priority should be 20, and that its
   stop priority should be 80.  You should be able to figure out
what the description says; the \ causes the line to be  continued.
   The extra space in front of the line is ignored.

Basically, create your file by taking one of the files as a sample and
place it in /etc/init.d.
For example, I've copied /etc/init.d/vncserver to /etc/init.d/sample and ran
[r...@hakan init.d]# chkconfig --add sample
[r...@hakan init.d]# chkconfig --list|grep sample
sample  0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:off   6:off

Now my sample is there but won't run at all but it's all there.
[r...@hakan init.d]# chkconfig sample on
[r...@hakan init.d]# chkconfig --list|grep sample
sample  0:off   1:off   2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off

Now it's on for all of the levels in the comment included in the file.
Nevertheless, I could have overriden that with the ckconfig --level
levels name on command options to run on other levels.

[r...@hakan etc]# find rc* -iname *sample*|sort
rc.d/init.d/sample
rc.d/rc0.d/K35sample
rc.d/rc1.d/K35sample
rc.d/rc2.d/S91sample
rc.d/rc3.d/S91sample
rc.d/rc4.d/S91sample
rc.d/rc5.d/S91sample
rc.d/rc6.d/K35sample

and the file comment looks like below which matches the above, startup
priority is 91, kill priority is 35. It will run on all normal levels
since it's not defined, excluding 1 (single user), 0 (shutdown) and 6
(reboot).

# chkconfig: - 91 35

I better remove this sample from my startup :)
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Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

Karanbir Singh wrote:
 On 11/24/2010 10:32 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:
   
 That's going back to the character-mode days.  I meant the GUI version.

   
 I used an X11 version on some Unix variant a long time ago - possibly
 IRIX, but it may have been the DEC one (or both.) This was several years
 

 Thats good, but how is that even remotely related to his list ?
   
It's *remotely* related in that it means someone, somewhere must have 
source code that would probably compile more or less directly under 
CentOS, for the (currently unsupported) software in question.

Apart from that, it's sometimes hard to resist commenting on obviously 
incorrect statements even in an off-topic thread...

- T
 If there is enough interest to build a social sort of list around the 
 centos community, we can always fire up a centos-chatter or 
 centos-social mailing list. Doing this on irc has been, imho, most 
 successful.

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Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

On 11/24/2010 02:34 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:
 Thats good, but how is that even remotely related to his list ?

 It's *remotely* related in that it means someone, somewhere must have
 source code that would probably compile more or less directly under
 CentOS, for the (currently unsupported) software in question.

well, ok :)

but it would still be nice to see what people think about a 
centos-social or a centos-offtopic or a centos-chatter list.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS vs. RHEL vs. Oracle Linux ?

2010-11-24 Thread Niki Kovacs

Hakan Koseoglu a écrit :
 On 24 November 2010 11:57, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Well, it's pretty similar.  I'm not sure if I messed up the installation
 It's almost identical. Oracle kernel parameters  dependencies can be
 automatically installed during installation albeit later on Oracle
 RDBMS installation gives you warnings since it doesn't like the
 default values in /etc/sysctl.conf as populated by OEL.
 

Thanks for the detailed answers. I'm currently downloading the set of 
five CDs. I already got the first ISO (my connection is slow), burnt it 
and installed it on a spare machine. The installer looks indeed quite 
the same as RHEL/CentOS (and makes you even wonder if they changed 
something besides the name :oD). Since I have to wait for the other ISOs 
to download, I went for a minimal install, e. g. everything unchecked, 
even [Base]. Unfortunately, contrary to CentOS, this way of doing things 
doesn't get me Yum, and a manual install of Yum apparently requires some 
packages that are not on the first CD. So I'll simply wait for the other 
ISOs to download and go for something less minimal.

I'm especially curious to know about the default Yum repos config : 
where does Oracle Linux have its repos and its updates ? Do I have to 
subscribe to something to get them or are they free ? Well, I guess I'll 
have to wait for my download to finish to get the answer.

Cheers,

Niki
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Re: [CentOS] best way to start and shutdown programs in CentOS?

2010-11-24 Thread Les Mikesell

On 11/24/10 8:20 AM, killscript wrote:
 Les Mikesell wrote:
 The RedHat/Centos way of doing things is to have init scripts in
 /etc/rc.d/init.d that take at least start, stop, and restart as arguments for
 each program that should start automatically.  Then for the runlevels where 
 you
 want them to start you have a symlink where the name starts with S and the 
 rest
 is a number to make it sort alphabetically into the order that things should
 start in /etc/rc?.d (where the ? is the runlevel).  Likewise add links 
 starting
 with 'K' in the levels where the process should be stopped.There is a
 convention for comments in the scripts so that 'checkconfig program on' can 
 make
 the links for you.  Look through some of the other scripts to see how they 
 work.

 Sorry for the stupid question here, but does the /etc/initd./scriptname
 file know about these symlinks because of a particular comment in there?

The script itself doesn't need or do anything with the comments.  And I don't 
know if the format is documented anywhere but you can probably figure it out 
from the examples or just copy something that starts/stops where you want.

 Where and how is the best way to make these symlinks once you have the
 correct file configuration.

You can do it manually if you want, but chkconfig is easier.  Here's an article 
with some background. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4445.

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Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Les Mikesell

On 11/24/10 8:37 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
 On 11/24/2010 02:34 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:
 Thats good, but how is that even remotely related to his list ?

 It's *remotely* related in that it means someone, somewhere must have
 source code that would probably compile more or less directly under
 CentOS, for the (currently unsupported) software in question.

 well, ok :)

 but it would still be nice to see what people think about a
 centos-social or a centos-offtopic or a centos-chatter list.

What we need is a What would a good sysadmin think? list where one of the 
criteria for being a good sysadmin would obviously be that you know something 
about Centos but the rest of the scope covers applications, conversions, 
product 
comparisons, legal issues, etc.  The kind of stuff most of us do every day...

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Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread m . roth

Toralf Lund wrote:
 Karanbir Singh wrote:
 On 11/24/2010 10:32 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:
snip
 Thats good, but how is that even remotely related to his list ?

 It's *remotely* related in that it means someone, somewhere must have
 source code that would probably compile more or less directly under
 CentOS, for the (currently unsupported) software in question.

 Apart from that, it's sometimes hard to resist commenting on obviously
 incorrect statements even in an off-topic thread...
snip
Not I can't resist the old quote:
Someone, somewhere on usenet, posted something that was ...wrong.

mark

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS vs. RHEL vs. Oracle Linux ?

2010-11-24 Thread Scott Robbins

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:05:39PM +, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:

 On 24 November 2010 11:57, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
  Well, it's pretty similar.  I'm not sure if I messed up the installation
  I didn't find a samba package, but as this was for one oracle developer
  to transfer files, we just used winscp.  (I also didn't look hard for a
  samba package, at present, this is just a test.)
 Are you sure?

Yes, (I've snipped the rest, where you indicate other places I should
have looked, but thank you.) 

As I said somewhere, I suspect I messed up the install, as I had to
later manually populate /etc/yum.repos.d after googling for where it
should be. 

  Disk naming seems slightly different--we went with more standard
  partitions rather than LVM, and rather than /dev/sda and so on, it was
  /dev---arrgh, I'm not at work, and my mind just went blank--errm, xda
  and xdb?  At any rate, it will be fairly obvious.
 Nope, all comes as sda/sdb etc. if you don't use LVM unless your
 external storage is funky.

Hrrm.  Ok, this is installation on a VMware esx server, using, when
asked to choose guest, an oracle machine.  Devices are xvda and xvdb.  

(Maybe something to do with it being on ESXi?  On another, ESX 3.5
server, all RH is /dev/sda).

Along with, I'm sure, the OP, I want to thank you for this post, it
makes me realize that if we definitely do this for real, there are
obviously some things I missed.

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[CentOS] LOPSA [Was: Novell sale news?]

2010-11-24 Thread Adam Tauno Williams

On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 08:50 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: 
 On 11/24/10 8:37 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
  On 11/24/2010 02:34 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:
  Thats good, but how is that even remotely related to his list ?
  It's *remotely* related in that it means someone, somewhere must have
  source code that would probably compile more or less directly under
  CentOS, for the (currently unsupported) software in question.
  well, ok :)
  but it would still be nice to see what people think about a
  centos-social or a centos-offtopic or a centos-chatter list.
 What we need is a What would a good sysadmin think? list where one of the 
 criteria for being a good sysadmin would obviously be that you know something 
 about Centos but the rest of the scope covers applications, conversions, 
 product 
 comparisons, legal issues, etc.  The kind of stuff most of us do every day...

Why not head over to LOPSA and join one of their lists?  
https://lopsa.org/
https://lopsa.org/mailman/listinfo

quote
The League of Professional System Administrators (LOPSA) is a nonprofit
corporation with members throughout the world. Our mission is to advance
the practice of system administration; to support, recognize, educate,
and encourage its practitioners; and to serve the public through
education and outreach on system administration issues.

LOPSA membership benefits fall into two classes. The first involves
support of you as a member and a sysadmin. LOPSA is working to provide
educational and networking opportunities, a forum for support and ideas,
and an active community engaged in discussion of sysadmin issues.
/quote

I've always though communities making *-offtopic lists didn't make much
sense - go find an on-topic list.

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Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Geoff Galitz


 What we need is a What would a good sysadmin think? list where one of 
 the
 criteria for being a good sysadmin would obviously be that you know 
 something
 about Centos but the rest of the scope covers applications, conversions, 
 product
 comparisons, legal issues, etc.  The kind of stuff most of us do every 
 day...

Hmm...  I had been contemplating a generic linux-sysadmin or linux-systems 
list for quite a while.  My vision for the list would be OS distribution 
neutral, though.  Some of us do work in multi-OS shops,  afterall.   If 
there is enough interest (reply to me privately, please) I can set something 
up.

Otherwise a centos-sysadmin list is a good idea, I think.

-Geoff

 

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