Re: [CentOS-es] Ayuda con DNS de FreeDNS (off-topic)
2011/1/4 Normando Hall nh...@unixlan.com.ar: Resulta que desde hace años manejo los DNS de todos los dominios en FreeDNS. (afraid). Mi problema no es que no se actualiza la IP en freedns. eso ocurre correctamente. El problema es que no sé por qué no se propaga esa nueva IP. Incluso si en freedns hago un cambio manual de alguna IP tampoco se ve reflejado el cambio aunque espere el TTL. Me huele a un mal cómputo del tiempo transcurrido en la cache de DNS de tu proveedor. Has consultado con ellos? En freedns no tengo forma de comunicarme. Alguna sugerencia? A alguno de ustedes les está pasando lo mismo? Has probado acceder desde otros sitios, o usar nslookup usando un server diferente? -- Eduardo Grosclaude Universidad Nacional del Comahue Neuquen, Argentina ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Ayuda con DNS de FreeDNS (off-topic)
XL = Talla de ropa Ancha : La pregunto supero mis facultades neuristicas de poder ayudarte... Mas suerte ! El 4 de enero de 2011 12:05, Normando Hall nh...@unixlan.com.ar escribió: Hola Luis. No comprendí lo de ¿XL? Gracias de todas formas Normando El 04/01/2011 12:01 p.m., Luis Catrilef M. escribió: Me gustaria ayudarte pero la pregunta me quedo XL, mucha suerte. El 4 de enero de 2011 11:12, Normando Hallnh...@unixlan.com.ar escribió: Hola amigos listeros. Este mensaje es off-topic, pero la verdad es que no sé a quién recurrir. Resulta que desde hace años manejo los DNS de todos los dominios en FreeDNS. (afraid). De todos los dominios que dispongo, sólo 2 son dinámicos, y el servidor (centos) actualiza correctamente la IP en freedns, pero desde el 2 de enero no puedoi acceder a esos servidores, porque sus nombres me resuelven la IP del 2 de enero, pero no la actual, que ya cambió varias veces. Mi problema no es que no se actualiza la IP en freedns. eso ocurre correctamente. El problema es que no sé por qué no se propaga esa nueva IP. Incluso si en freedns hago un cambio manual de alguna IP tampoco se ve reflejado el cambio aunque espere el TTL. Soy de Argentina. Tendrá algo que ver con el problema que hubo hace unos años atrás donde los DNS de argentina quedaron sin funcionar o actualizar? En freedns no tengo forma de comunicarme. Alguna sugerencia? A alguno de ustedes les está pasando lo mismo? Muchas gracias Normando ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es -- Saludos *Luis Catrilef M.* Santiago - Chile. 2010 -- “El spam estará resuelto en dos años“, Bill Gates, en 2004. --- ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Ayuda con DNS de FreeDNS (off-topic)
Gracias Eduardo por la respuesta Si, efectivamente he intentado acceder o pinguear los nombres de los dominios en cuestion, y todos se resuelven en la misma IP del 2 de enero. Para mi es un problema de freedns que no está difunciendo en los root servers la ip, según mi humilde entender. El dominio en cuestion es magrove.com.ar Si alguien puede hacerme un favor, que le haga un ping a ver qué IP les da. La IP real actual del servidor es 186.124.227.99 y es la que está configurada en freedns, pero sin embargo mi intento de acceder me resuelve a la IP 186.124.253.9, que es la última actualización ocurrida el 1 de enero. La verdad no sé que hacer, si migrar a otro proveedor de DNS y esperar las 72 horas que demanda este trámite, o esperar y ver si se resuelve. Normando El 04/01/2011 12:45 p.m., Eduardo Grosclaude escribió: 2011/1/4 Normando Hallnh...@unixlan.com.ar: Resulta que desde hace años manejo los DNS de todos los dominios en FreeDNS. (afraid). Mi problema no es que no se actualiza la IP en freedns. eso ocurre correctamente. El problema es que no sé por qué no se propaga esa nueva IP. Incluso si en freedns hago un cambio manual de alguna IP tampoco se ve reflejado el cambio aunque espere el TTL. Me huele a un mal cómputo del tiempo transcurrido en la cache de DNS de tu proveedor. Has consultado con ellos? En freedns no tengo forma de comunicarme. Alguna sugerencia? A alguno de ustedes les está pasando lo mismo? Has probado acceder desde otros sitios, o usar nslookup usando un server diferente? ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Ayuda con DNS de FreeDNS (off-topic)
El Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:45:37 -0300 Eduardo Grosclaude eduardo.groscla...@gmail.com escribió: 2011/1/4 Normando Hall nh...@unixlan.com.ar: Resulta que desde hace años manejo los DNS de todos los dominios en FreeDNS. (afraid). Mi problema no es que no se actualiza la IP en freedns. eso ocurre correctamente. El problema es que no sé por qué no se propaga esa nueva IP. Incluso si en freedns hago un cambio manual de alguna IP tampoco se ve reflejado el cambio aunque espere el TTL. Me huele a un mal cómputo del tiempo transcurrido en la cache de DNS de tu proveedor. Has consultado con ellos? En freedns no tengo forma de comunicarme. Alguna sugerencia? A alguno de ustedes les está pasando lo mismo? Has probado acceder desde otros sitios, o usar nslookup usando un server diferente? Te has asegurado de que actualizas correctamente el serial en el SOA del dominio? $ dig @67.19.72.206 -t ANY magrove.com.ar ; DiG 9.7.2-P3-RedHat-9.7.2-4.P3.fc14 @67.19.72.206 -t ANY magrove.com.ar ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 13165 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 7, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 5 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;magrove.com.ar.IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: magrove.com.ar. 60 IN A 186.124.253.9 magrove.com.ar. 3600IN MX 10 mail.magrove.com.ar. magrove.com.ar. 86400 IN SOA ns1.afraid.org. dnsadmin.afraid.org. 1101010001 86400 7200 360 3600 magrove.com.ar. 86400 IN NS ns3.afraid.org. magrove.com.ar. 86400 IN NS ns4.afraid.org. magrove.com.ar. 86400 IN NS ns1.afraid.org. magrove.com.ar. 86400 IN NS ns2.afraid.org. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: mail.magrove.com.ar.60 IN A 186.124.253.9 ns1.afraid.org. 1800IN A 67.19.72.206 ns2.afraid.org. 1800IN A 174.37.196.55 ns3.afraid.org. 1800IN A 72.20.15.62 ns4.afraid.org. 1800IN A 208.43.71.243 ;; Query time: 156 msec ;; SERVER: 67.19.72.206#53(67.19.72.206) ;; WHEN: Tue Jan 4 18:02:39 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 276 El serial que hay actualmente es 1101010001. Saludos Ignasi Cavero ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] lvs en maquina virtual
el linuxero wrote: buenos dias, tengo un servidor lvs (direct routing) operativo y funcional instalado en un servidor compaq que ya esta antiguo , quisiera saber si es posible instalar un lvs en produccion virtualizado con xen he visto que los servidores xen tienen varias tarjetas virtuales para los hosts virtualizados y se que el lvs tambien crea sus propias tarjetas virtuales, no se si habra algun problema con eso. ¿alguien ya lo ha intentado? le he usado y funciona, no tiene nada que ver la forma en que xen maneja las interfacez con el hecho de que lvs cree una ip alias (virtual ip le llaman).. funciona de maravillas... saludos epe gracias. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Ayuda con DNS de FreeDNS (off-topic)
Hola Ignasi No se de qué manera yo podría modificar el SOA serial number. Los DNS los maneja el proveedor freedns.afraid.org El 04/01/2011 02:09 p.m., Ignasi Cavero escribió: El Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:45:37 -0300 Eduardo Grosclaudeeduardo.groscla...@gmail.com escribió: 2011/1/4 Normando Hallnh...@unixlan.com.ar: Resulta que desde hace años manejo los DNS de todos los dominios en FreeDNS. (afraid). Mi problema no es que no se actualiza la IP en freedns. eso ocurre correctamente. El problema es que no sé por qué no se propaga esa nueva IP. Incluso si en freedns hago un cambio manual de alguna IP tampoco se ve reflejado el cambio aunque espere el TTL. Me huele a un mal cómputo del tiempo transcurrido en la cache de DNS de tu proveedor. Has consultado con ellos? En freedns no tengo forma de comunicarme. Alguna sugerencia? A alguno de ustedes les está pasando lo mismo? Has probado acceder desde otros sitios, o usar nslookup usando un server diferente? Te has asegurado de que actualizas correctamente el serial en el SOA del dominio? $ dig @67.19.72.206 -t ANY magrove.com.ar ; DiG 9.7.2-P3-RedHat-9.7.2-4.P3.fc14 @67.19.72.206 -t ANY magrove.com.ar ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 13165 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 7, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 5 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;magrove.com.ar. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: magrove.com.ar. 60 IN A 186.124.253.9 magrove.com.ar. 3600IN MX 10 mail.magrove.com.ar. magrove.com.ar. 86400 IN SOA ns1.afraid.org. dnsadmin.afraid.org. 1101010001 86400 7200 360 3600 magrove.com.ar. 86400 IN NS ns3.afraid.org. magrove.com.ar. 86400 IN NS ns4.afraid.org. magrove.com.ar. 86400 IN NS ns1.afraid.org. magrove.com.ar. 86400 IN NS ns2.afraid.org. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: mail.magrove.com.ar. 60 IN A 186.124.253.9 ns1.afraid.org. 1800IN A 67.19.72.206 ns2.afraid.org. 1800IN A 174.37.196.55 ns3.afraid.org. 1800IN A 72.20.15.62 ns4.afraid.org. 1800IN A 208.43.71.243 ;; Query time: 156 msec ;; SERVER: 67.19.72.206#53(67.19.72.206) ;; WHEN: Tue Jan 4 18:02:39 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 276 El serial que hay actualmente es 1101010001. Saludos Ignasi Cavero ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS] php.ini disabled notices still shows notices in the logs
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:55 PM, George listmail...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I did some google searches but could not find anyone raising a similar issue immediatly but perhaps there is already somewhere a bugreport upstream about this I did overlook ... When you disable notices in /etc/php.ini: error_reporting = E_ALL ~E_NOTICE on a simple LAMP setup of CentOS 5.x (running 5.0 up to 5.5) I still see notices in the log files ... (which causes a serious overhead of logs in my case ...) Anyone can confirm this and/or can point me towards bugreports/solutions? Regards, George Ey George, I hope this will help you: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/error_log-defines-file-where-script-errors-logged/ Regards, Andres ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a maildir setup... rant I was in a panic today at work because the backup server is filling up too quickly, backing up peoples email. Further it is not backing up often enough. I just lost all of today's email. I hate mbox and imap and outlook... /rant All the maildir stuff I can find is postfix oriented. Because sendmail is rapidly fading into history? From what I can read in procmail man pages, it supports maildir and sendmail uses procmail as the LDA, hence sendmail supports it. There are numerous IMAP servers that support maildir, and scripts to import MBOX files - that is how I would approach it. [But then I wouldn't use Maildir; I mean, really, who cares what format your messages are in - use IMAP and network access your message store. Cyrus IMAPd will index and filter all your messages for you]. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 08:52:23AM -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a maildir setup... rant I was in a panic today at work because the backup server is filling up too quickly, backing up peoples email. Further it is not backing up often enough. I just lost all of today's email. I hate mbox and imap and outlook... /rant All the maildir stuff I can find is postfix oriented. Because sendmail is rapidly fading into history? From what I can read in procmail man pages, it supports maildir and sendmail uses procmail as the LDA, hence sendmail supports it. There are numerous IMAP servers that support maildir, and scripts to import MBOX files - that is how I would approach it. [But then I wouldn't use Maildir; I mean, really, who cares what format your messages are in - use IMAP and network access your message store. Cyrus IMAPd will index and filter all your messages for you]. Many people care about storage format. Mbox is much more slower during operations on it. It's because it's operate on single file, not several of files. Maildir is only slower while opening it. But it depends on number of messages in such a box which is equal to number of descriptors system must open while reading a box. -- Dominik Zyla pgpQuMj7eh9Xa.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Adam Tauno Williams Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:52 To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a maildir setup... rant I was in a panic today at work because the backup server is filling up too quickly, backing up peoples email. Further it is not backing up often enough. I just lost all of today's email. I hate mbox and imap and outlook... /rant All the maildir stuff I can find is postfix oriented. Because sendmail is rapidly fading into history? There are too many modifications to abandon it right now. Besides it is stable as a rock. From what I can read in procmail man pages, it supports maildir and sendmail uses procmail as the LDA, hence sendmail supports it. There are numerous IMAP servers that support maildir, and scripts to import MBOX files - that is how I would approach it. [But then I wouldn't use Maildir; I mean, really, who cares what format your messages are in - use IMAP and network The backup server. As one file per mailbox, the backup server is backing up over 25G/hour. These files are not subject to de-duplication. With one message per file only the new messages would get added to the backup size. What would you use besides Maildir? access your message store. Cyrus IMAPd will index and filter all your messages for you]. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Jason Pyeron PD Inc. http://www.pdinc.us - - Principal Consultant 10 West 24th Street #100- - +1 (443) 269-1555 x333Baltimore, Maryland 21218 - - - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This message is copyright PD Inc, subject to license 20080407P00. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a maildir setup... rant I was in a panic today at work because the backup server is filling up too quickly, backing up peoples email. Further it is not backing up often enough. I just lost all of today's email. I hate mbox and imap and outlook... /rant All the maildir stuff I can find is postfix oriented. Because sendmail is rapidly fading into history? From what I can read in procmail man pages, it supports maildir and sendmail uses procmail as the LDA, hence sendmail supports it. There are numerous IMAP servers that support maildir, and scripts to import MBOX files - that is how I would approach it. [But then I wouldn't use Maildir; I mean, really, who cares what format your messages are in - use IMAP and network access your message store. Cyrus IMAPd will index and filter all your messages for you]. I think the OP said he wanted maildir for backup reasons. With mbox a single new email will mean the whole mbox needs to be backed up, with maildir only that email will need backing up. -Ross ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:05 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a maildir setup... rant I was in a panic today at work because the backup server is filling up too quickly, backing up peoples email. Further it is not backing up often enough. I just lost all of today's email. I hate mbox and imap and outlook... /rant All the maildir stuff I can find is postfix oriented. Because sendmail is rapidly fading into history There are too many modifications to abandon it right now. Besides it is stable as a rock. From what I can read in procmail man pages, it supports maildir and sendmail uses procmail as the LDA, hence sendmail supports it. There are numerous IMAP servers that support maildir, and scripts to import MBOX files - that is how I would approach it. [But then I wouldn't use Maildir; I mean, really, who cares what format your messages are in - use IMAP and network The backup server. As one file per mailbox, the backup server is backing up over 25G/hour. These files are not subject to de-duplication. With one message per file only the new messages would get added to the backup size. What would you use besides Maildir? I use Cyrus IMAPd - where external modification of the mailstore is forbidden [or at least very frowned upon]. That way it uses its own internal storage format that can be customized to be efficient. It also means it can keep *consistent* meta-data databases, such as search indexes, which are *IMPOSSIBLE* if other clients are diddling around in the mailstore. These databases add features, performance, and stability. You also get things like delayed expunge and duplicate supression [which can save scads of disk space]. All access to the mailstore is via IMAP or POP. Messages are placed in the mailstore by the MTA (sendmail / postfix) via LMTP - so Cyrus can also run the SIEVE filtering language to provide on-delivery message filtering. http://www.cyrusimap.org/ Administrative tools are provided to manipulate the message store in a consistent and reliable way. access your message store. Cyrus IMAPd will index and filter all your messages for you]. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:06 +0100, Dominik Zyla wrote: On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 08:52:23AM -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a maildir setup... rant I was in a panic today at work because the backup server is filling up too quickly, backing up peoples email. Further it is not backing up often enough. I just lost all of today's email. I hate mbox and imap and outlook... /rant All the maildir stuff I can find is postfix oriented. Because sendmail is rapidly fading into history? From what I can read in procmail man pages, it supports maildir and sendmail uses procmail as the LDA, hence sendmail supports it. There are numerous IMAP servers that support maildir, and scripts to import MBOX files - that is how I would approach it. [But then I wouldn't use Maildir; I mean, really, who cares what format your messages are in - use IMAP and network access your message store. Cyrus IMAPd will index and filter all your messages for you]. Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. Mbox is much more slower during operations on it. It's because it's operate on single file, Correct, but who cares? If the server provides high-performance to the mailbox... why care? Message format storage wars are silly. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:07 -0500, Ross Walker wrote: On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote: There are numerous IMAP servers that support maildir, and scripts to import MBOX files - that is how I would approach it. [But then I wouldn't use Maildir; I mean, really, who cares what format your messages are in - use IMAP and network access your message store. Cyrus IMAPd will index and filter all your messages for you]. I think the OP said he wanted maildir for backup reasons. With mbox a single new email will mean the whole mbox needs to be backed up, with maildir only that email will need backing up. +1 The internal format used by Cyrus is one-file-per-message so rsync-ing works very well. But delayed-expunge and clustering works even better. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] what happened to the status
Hey - back to work today and just noticed the last status update for release 6 ( http://twitter.com/centos ) was way back on Dec 1. I know, I know, its ready when its ready and I'm fine with that just thought it was curious that Dec 1 was the last update. Everyone have a Great New Year! :) Jerry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 09:14:57AM -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:06 +0100, Dominik Zyla wrote: On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 08:52:23AM -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a maildir setup... rant I was in a panic today at work because the backup server is filling up too quickly, backing up peoples email. Further it is not backing up often enough. I just lost all of today's email. I hate mbox and imap and outlook... /rant All the maildir stuff I can find is postfix oriented. Because sendmail is rapidly fading into history? From what I can read in procmail man pages, it supports maildir and sendmail uses procmail as the LDA, hence sendmail supports it. There are numerous IMAP servers that support maildir, and scripts to import MBOX files - that is how I would approach it. [But then I wouldn't use Maildir; I mean, really, who cares what format your messages are in - use IMAP and network access your message store. Cyrus IMAPd will index and filter all your messages for you]. Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. Mbox is much more slower during operations on it. It's because it's operate on single file, Correct, but who cares? If the server provides high-performance to the mailbox... why care? Message format storage wars are silly. I agree it's silly. But try to run dozens of maildirs and the same number of mailboxes on the same kind of server. Mboxes would be bottleneck of the entire mail system. -- Dominik Zyla pgpEN1320vKDp.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
Yup, Cyrus was rock solid for us for years with Thunderbird as the client. We were forced into an Exchange replacement (Scalix) and now Google mail because 'Thunderbird is clunky (read: follows all of the user interface guidelines) and Outlook is cool (read: actually forces overrides on windows standard interface behaviour)' and neither backend is solid. Don't get me started on the huge list of LookOUT! WTFs. I wouldn't trust it for e-mails with my mum. GMail sometimes randomly expunges e-mails because it feels like it. Sometimes when you're actually reading the thing. You can't e-mail yourself. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On 01/04/2011 06:14 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:06 +0100, Dominik Zyla wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. No. They are being eminently practical. mbox format's 'one big file' approach results in significant I/O overhead for update operations, locking complexity (file locks on shared network storage - 'nuff said) and bloat in differential backups. I have literally tens of gigabytes of email stored on our servers. mbox storage would make backups slower, take significantly more backup storage space and add quite a lot of disk I/O for routine mailbox use as well as slow down email for the end users. It is also more prone to 'one error took out everything' problems. The idea that low level/internal details don't matter is only true when you are so far from your resource limits that they are effectively infinite. The real world often isn't that way. -- Benjamin Franz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] noob question about mock
On Thursday 30 Dec 2010 14:11:20 Ryan Wagoner wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:51 AM, n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Hi, Been recently more and more tempted to use mock for building rpms, but looking at it I have one problem. As far as I could read about it, mock essentially rebuilds srpms so to use it I would need a separate classical build environment to create those srpms in the first place. Am I right or did I get something terribly wrong? You can use rpmbuild -bs --nodeps to build the SRPM without the dependency checking. The SRPM is just a compilation of the spec, source code, and patches. Actually, mock can build an SRPM from spec file and dir with sources: $ mock --buildsrpm --spec=/path/to/spec --source=/path/to/src/dir I've been using it at least since 1.0.5, which is definitely in EPEL, not sure if it was available in older versions. Sure it may require some scripting around it to automate it but it has the advantage of verifying build depends, etc. so it's worth it IMO. -- Michael Gliwinski Henderson Group Information Services 9-11 Hightown Avenue, Newtownabby, BT36 4RT Phone: 028 9034 3319 ** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee and access to the email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing client engagement leter or contract. If you have received this email in error please notify supp...@henderson-group.com John Henderson (Holdings) Ltd Registered office: 9 Hightown Avenue, Mallusk, County Antrim, Northern Ireland, BT36 4RT. Registered in Northern Ireland Registration Number NI010588 Vat No.: 814 6399 12 * ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
Dominik Zyla wrote: On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 09:14:57AM -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:06 +0100, Dominik Zyla wrote: SNIP Mbox is much more slower during operations on it. It's because it's operate on single file, Correct, but who cares? If the server provides high-performance to the mailbox... why care? Message format storage wars are silly. I agree it's silly. But try to run dozens of maildirs and the same number of mailboxes on the same kind of server. Mboxes would be bottleneck of the entire mail system. And then there's the problem when your mailtool screws up the formatting of the mbox file mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Tuesday, January 04, 2011 09:14:57 am Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:06 +0100, Dominik Zyla wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. Hmmm, not quite. When selecting the file system on which to store e-mail, the storage format is significant; it's a 'small number of large files' versus 'large number of small files' issue then, and filesystems differ in their performance between them. Some filesystems slow down with large maildirs; some slow with large mboxes. If you support a hundred or a thousand users, make sure you allocate enough inodes on that mailstore filesystem if you use maildir. For POP-only servers mbox works fine. For IMAP servers where IMAP is the primary access means, not so fine. In my opinion, maildirs are great for rapidly changing dynamic folders, like the inbox, whereas mboxes are wonderful for archives, where they tend to take less disk space for the same number of messages, and tend to change more slowly. And when you have folders containing hundreds of thousands of e-mails (yes, hundreds of thousands, in one particular archive, I have) where the individual e-mails are quite short, the difference adds up. In my case, our primary e-mail server is Scalix, so that dictated the storage format. But, honestly, I personally would love to use a PostgreSQL backend so that real concurrent access is possible; I have users with Scalix mail folders that take a long time to rsync simply due to the number of messages (25-30 thousand in the inbox, and they are 'folder clueless' and don't want to throw anything away), and in order to get a consistent backup scalix has to be shut down during the rsync (even if the folder hasn't changed, rsync still has to read all those directory entries, which takes time); an ACID database backend (PostgreSQL, MySQL InnoDB, Oracle, etc) will allow a fully consistent backup to be taken while the database is active. And backup tools for such databases are very mature. Scalix 11 uses PostgreSQL, but not as the primary mailstore. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a maildir setup... rant I was in a panic today at work because the backup server is filling up too quickly, backing up peoples email. Further it is not backing up often enough. I just lost all of today's email. I hate mbox and imap and outlook... /rant All the maildir stuff I can find is postfix oriented. From what I can read in procmail man pages, it supports maildir and sendmail uses procmail as the LDA, hence sendmail supports it. -Jason Regardless of the maildir vs mbox argument, I would be seriously examining why you have painted yourself into a corner with your customized sendmail. Eventually, you will have to move on. What are the motivations for the customizations? Do newer or alternate MTAs have added features that can replace those customizations? Postfix can be highly customized through configuration and is not that difficult to learn. As a migration path, I would separate the MTA (sendmail) and the imap server. Go with cyrus or dovecot on a new machine (virtual?) and use imapsync to move messages to the new box during a maintenance window. As stated in other responses, cyrus has it's own mail storage format with individual files for each message and dovecot supports several formats including maildir. It should not be difficult to have your existing sendmail deliver messages to the new imap store either directly or with a very simple postfix MTA on the imap box. Once mail storage is fixed, you can start working on de-customizing your MTA. And with regard to backup space, it might be time to suck it up and tell your users that you need to implement mail quotas. How much are you backing up from Sent and Trash because nobody maintains their mail folders? A quota can be a great tool for teaching basic mail folder housekeeping. -- Jeff ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On 1/4/2011 9:38 AM, Jeff wrote: Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 Regardless of the maildir vs mbox argument, I would be seriously examining why you have painted yourself into a corner with your customized sendmail. Eventually, you will have to move on. Errr, why??? Sendmail has nothing to do with local deliveries. What are the motivations for the customizations? Do newer or alternate MTAs have added features that can replace those customizations? Postfix can be highly customized through configuration and is not that difficult to learn. Why change the part that isn't broken. As a migration path, I would separate the MTA (sendmail) and the imap server. Go with cyrus or dovecot on a new machine (virtual?) and use imapsync to move messages to the new box during a maintenance window. As stated in other responses, cyrus has it's own mail storage format with individual files for each message and dovecot supports several formats including maildir. It should not be difficult to have your existing sendmail deliver messages to the new imap store either directly or with a very simple postfix MTA on the imap box. Once mail storage is fixed, you can start working on de-customizing your MTA. Sendmail will let cyrus or procmail or another local delivery agent handle the file format details - and probably already does. And with regard to backup space, it might be time to suck it up and tell your users that you need to implement mail quotas. How much are you backing up from Sent and Trash because nobody maintains their mail folders? A quota can be a great tool for teaching basic mail folder housekeeping. Anything that does sensible incrementals will use much less space with 'file-per-message' formats instead of mbox because the bulk of the messages won't change between runs. But maybe another solution would be to put the backups on a block de-duplicating filesystem like zfs. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:38 -0600, Jeff wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us wrote: And with regard to backup space, it might be time to suck it up and tell your users that you need to implement mail quotas. How much are you backing up from Sent and Trash because nobody maintains their mail folders? A quota can be a great tool for teaching basic mail folder housekeeping. +1 on quotas; they are virtuous even if capacity isn't a constraint - they force users to manage their data. Regarding sent/trash/SPAM Cyrus IMAPd provides an expire annotation that can be applied to folders that will expire messages from the folders older than X number of days [on the server side, user doesn't have to login for this to happen]. For example we expire sent-mail at 365 days, trash at 45 days, and SPAM at 14 days. This helps quite a bit against lazy-user-syndrome. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On 1/4/2011 8:14 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. So how do you suggest solving that problem when it is in fact a problem? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On January 4, 2011 07:36:27 am Lamar Owen wrote: In my case, our primary e-mail server is Scalix, so that dictated the storage format. But, honestly, I personally would love to use a PostgreSQL backend so that real concurrent access is possible; dbmail with PostgreSQL works really well. I moved a Maildir + Courier setup to it when backups got too painful. It does require a fair bit of RAM, but PostgreSQL compresses text data and dbmail works to dedupe messages and especially attachments. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:56 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: On 1/4/2011 8:14 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. So how do you suggest solving that problem when it is in fact a problem? You're missing the point of my objection. That the server is slow or difficult to manage [which includes backup] is the issue - not that it uses MBOX [regardless of that its use of MBOX is the root of the *server's* issue]. Thinking of it in terms of messages-storage-format is misguided [I only mention it because I see the MBOX/MH/Maildir/Maildir++/etc... debate frequently]. This represents, IMO, a flawed approach to the problem. Migration to a new solutions [an IMAP server] that provides better performance / management is the fix. Incidently, it will almost certainly not use MBOX. If you are 'manually' crawling around in your message-store [the *only* case where you'd actually care much about storage format] indicates something else it wrong [as well]. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Adam Tauno Williams Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:51 To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:38 -0600, Jeff wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us wrote: And with regard to backup space, it might be time to suck it up and tell your users that you need to implement mail quotas. How much are you backing up from Sent and Trash because nobody maintains their mail folders? A quota can be a great tool for teaching basic mail folder housekeeping. +1 on quotas; they are virtuous even if capacity isn't a constraint - they force users to manage their data. I am sorry if this comes across harsh, but you have no idea about the business objectives, I never asked how do we keep our email size small. In fact I said it was BIG and I had a performance issue. Regarding sent/trash/SPAM Cyrus IMAPd provides an expire annotation that can be applied to folders that will expire messages from the folders older than X number of days [on the server side, user doesn't have to login for this to happen]. For example we expire sent-mail at 365 days, trash at 45 days, and SPAM at 14 days. This helps quite a bit against lazy-user-syndrome. That is a recipe for fired lazy-sysadmin-syndrom. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Jason Pyeron PD Inc. http://www.pdinc.us - - Principal Consultant 10 West 24th Street #100- - +1 (443) 269-1555 x333Baltimore, Maryland 21218 - - - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This message is copyright PD Inc, subject to license 20080407P00. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] cannot ping my virtual machine
Dear All, I had my earlier post sub virtual machine does not start up.. by the way i did manage to solve my problem . i actually dont know what could be the real cause but I did reconnect my cd rom drive and voila did come up let me explain i have a sun blade server which conects the keyboard , mouse and cd rom with a front panel USB cable . so the cd rom was removed and hence my virtual servers were not starting up but now i see a new problem. i am not able to ping the gateway let me explain my sun blade has 2 network cards wqith centos 5.5 one has a public ip and the other my internal network ip. the gateway for my sun blade is the public ip now from the sun server i can ping the gateway. also i can ping the private network gateway both of which on my core switch now my virtual machine has a private network ip ( the same network range as the interface ip ) but when i try to ping the gateway i am not to ping the public ip network and private ip network is on separate vlans apprecite if some can advice and help me if you need any more information plsss do ask regards simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 09:38:47AM -0600, Jeff wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a maildir setup... rant I was in a panic today at work because the backup server is filling up too quickly, backing up peoples email. Further it is not backing up often enough. I just lost all of today's email. I hate mbox and imap and outlook... /rant All the maildir stuff I can find is postfix oriented. From what I can read in procmail man pages, it supports maildir and sendmail uses procmail as the LDA, hence sendmail supports it. -Jason And with regard to backup space, it might be time to suck it up and tell your users that you need to implement mail quotas. How much are you backing up from Sent and Trash because nobody maintains their mail folders? A quota can be a great tool for teaching basic mail folder housekeeping. I'll suggest to use journaled-quota. In case of some filesystem problems there'll be no need to do quotacheck(8) if you're using ext3. -- Dominik Zyla pgpCMEolSMRNb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Helper variables like %{rhel} on CentOS
El 03/01/2011 20:15, Akemi Yagi escribió:
You may want to look into the srpms of nx/freenx in the CentOS extras
repository. The spec file contains the following:
# centos_ver is a number (2,3,4,5). It can be provided in the build system or
# via the command line with the following define for rpmbuild
# --define centos_ver 5
# If centos_ver is not provided the following will find it and should work on
# all current redhat based EL rebuilds, will not work properly on FC though
%{!?centos_ver: %define centos_ver %(Z=`rpm -q --whatprovides
/etc/redhat-release`;A=`rpm -q --qf '%{V}' $Z`; echo ${A:0:1})}
Hi Akemi,
Thanks for the tip :)
If I put Johnny's code in my .rpmmacros it works, but I get this warning:
error: Macro % has illegal name (%define)
I have solved with this change:
# Helper variable that defines CentOS release number, http://goo.gl/dkGUg
# This macro is based on Johnny Hughes's freenx.spec, from extras repo
%rhel %(/bin/rpm -q --qf '%{VERSION}' centos-release)
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Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
On 1/4/2011 10:00 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. So how do you suggest solving that problem when it is in fact a problem? You're missing the point of my objection. The point doesn't matter. Solving the problem does. And you probably can't solve it without knowing how things work. That the server is slow or difficult to manage [which includes backup] is the issue - not that it uses MBOX [regardless of that its use of MBOX is the root of the *server's* issue]. Thinking of it in terms of messages-storage-format is misguided [I only mention it because I see the MBOX/MH/Maildir/Maildir++/etc... debate frequently]. This represents, IMO, a flawed approach to the problem. Yes, you could solve it by ignoring the related physics and throwing infinite resources at it - if you have infinite amounts of money. Or you could do a sysadmin's job and understand the physical constraints and optimize the results you can get from them. Migration to a new solutions [an IMAP server] that provides better performance / management is the fix. Incidently, it will almost certainly not use MBOX. Odd that you would mention that, just after saying you shouldn't care... And in fact, some servers (e.g. dovecot) may handle more than one storage format, leaving it up to the admin to choose which is best. If you are 'manually' crawling around in your message-store [the *only* case where you'd actually care much about storage format] indicates something else it wrong [as well]. Your backup system will most certainly be crawling around your message store. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
-Original Message- From: Les Mikesell Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:28 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir On 1/4/2011 10:00 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. So how do you suggest solving that problem when it is in fact a problem? You're missing the point of my objection. The point doesn't matter. Solving the problem does. And you probably can't solve it without knowing how things work. That the server is slow or difficult to manage [which includes backup] is the issue - not that it uses MBOX [regardless of that its use of MBOX is the root of the *server's* issue]. Thinking of it in terms of messages-storage-format is misguided [I only mention it because I see the MBOX/MH/Maildir/Maildir++/etc... debate frequently]. This represents, IMO, a flawed approach to the problem. Yes, you could solve it by ignoring the related physics and throwing infinite resources at it - if you have infinite amounts of money. Or you could do a sysadmin's job and understand the physical constraints and optimize the results you can get from them. Migration to a new solutions [an IMAP server] that provides better performance / management is the fix. Incidently, it will almost certainly not use MBOX. Odd that you would mention that, just after saying you shouldn't care... And in fact, some servers (e.g. dovecot) may handle more Thank you. http://wiki.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir I am now going to look for a setup guide of procmail-Maildir-dovecot on RHEL/Centos than one storage format, leaving it up to the admin to choose which is best. If you are 'manually' crawling around in your message-store [the *only* case where you'd actually care much about storage format] indicates something else it wrong [as well]. Your backup system will most certainly be crawling around your message store. -Jason -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Jason Pyeron PD Inc. http://www.pdinc.us - - Principal Consultant 10 West 24th Street #100- - +1 (443) 269-1555 x333Baltimore, Maryland 21218 - - - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This message is copyright PD Inc, subject to license 20080407P00. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Anyone using PHP52 packages from iuscommunity.org?
Well, I got bit today.I left the enable=1 of ius and it upgraded automatically from the 5.2.15 to 5.2.16. After that I stated getting memory allocation errors. Anyone is getting that? Since I could not find 5.2.15 again I had to switch back to 5.2.10 from Testing. On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Eero Volotinen eero.voloti...@iki.fiwrote: 2010/12/24 robert mena robert.m...@gmail.com: Hi, I need to use PHP 5.2 in my Centos 5.X servers. I've been using the one found in Testing for more than a year without problems but I feel that it is not being updated in a while, specially with the security issues. I found a post about this iuscommunity.org which maintains 5.2 and 5.3 rpm packages for Centos/RedHat but I'd like to know if anyone in this is using the 5.2 packages in a production environment. iuscommunity works fine. -- Eero ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:56 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: On 1/4/2011 8:14 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. So how do you suggest solving that problem when it is in fact a problem? You're missing the point of my objection. That the server is slow or difficult to manage [which includes backup] is the issue - not that it uses MBOX [regardless of that its use of MBOX is the root of the *server's* issue]. Thinking of it in terms of messages-storage-format is misguided [I only mention it because I see the MBOX/MH/Maildir/Maildir++/etc... debate frequently]. This represents, IMO, a flawed approach to the problem. Migration to a new solutions [an IMAP server] that provides better performance / management is the fix. Incidently, it will almost certainly not use MBOX. If you are 'manually' crawling around in your message-store [the *only* case where you'd actually care much about storage format] indicates something else it wrong [as well]. At risk of confusing the debate - modern email is now largely HTML with lots of embedded graphics (just love all those base64 encoded bits clogging up the mbox) I made the shift from mbox to maildir about three years ago - my reasoning, let the OS file system worry about where and how to store the stuff - let the mail app worry about what emails I have and how to index. Thus postfix, dovecot (imap only) and related spam tools seem to work fine for my small business. I'm sure the problems only get more involved if one has to support 1,000's of users. Why is it that outlook and thunderbird use mbox type storage for their local storage?? Certainly a pain to manage in today's bloated email world. We haven't seen the end of this problem - it is growing day by day.really needs some creative solutions before we all drown in the data deluge. Don't forget we also need to be able to search the last x days, weeks, years email's for something? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos attachment: rkampen.vcf___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
Jason Pyeron wrote: -Original Message- From: Les Mikesell Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:28 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir On 1/4/2011 10:00 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. So how do you suggest solving that problem when it is in fact a problem? You're missing the point of my objection. The point doesn't matter. Solving the problem does. And you probably can't solve it without knowing how things work. That the server is slow or difficult to manage [which includes backup] is the issue - not that it uses MBOX [regardless of that its use of MBOX is the root of the *server's* issue]. Thinking of it in terms of messages-storage-format is misguided [I only mention it because I see the MBOX/MH/Maildir/Maildir++/etc... debate frequently]. This represents, IMO, a flawed approach to the problem. Yes, you could solve it by ignoring the related physics and throwing infinite resources at it - if you have infinite amounts of money. Or you could do a sysadmin's job and understand the physical constraints and optimize the results you can get from them. Migration to a new solutions [an IMAP server] that provides better performance / management is the fix. Incidently, it will almost certainly not use MBOX. Odd that you would mention that, just after saying you shouldn't care... And in fact, some servers (e.g. dovecot) may handle more Thank you. http://wiki.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir I am now going to look for a setup guide of procmail-Maildir-dovecot on RHEL/Centos I used the centos wiki guides and they are GREAT - thanks to the team that put them together. than one storage format, leaving it up to the admin to choose which is best. If you are 'manually' crawling around in your message-store [the *only* case where you'd actually care much about storage format] indicates something else it wrong [as well]. Your backup system will most certainly be crawling around your message store. -Jason -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Jason Pyeron PD Inc. http://www.pdinc.us - - Principal Consultant 10 West 24th Street #100- - +1 (443) 269-1555 x333Baltimore, Maryland 21218 - - - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This message is copyright PD Inc, subject to license 20080407P00. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos attachment: rkampen.vcf___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] using kvm
All - I am running a virtual windows 7 (pro 64) on centos 5.5 x86_64. I was hoping to run virtual XP inside windows7 in this configuration. I get an error about cannot start virtual XP when I try this. Do I not have something setup correctly or can I not run a double virtual environment? Thanks, Jerry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT how to prevent oversubscription of a disk
On Monday, January 03, 2011 11:39:38 am Dave wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Gordon Messmer yiny...@eburg.com wrote: On 01/01/2011 05:56 PM, Dave wrote: Is there a best practice? People have to be doing something! I think that's unlikely. If you don't oversubscribe your disk space as a matter of policy, you'll force upgrades earlier than most people would consider them necessary. Most users, I'd expect, will be well under quota most of the time. You'd commit all of your disk space to quota long before the space was actually used. In your scenario, you'd be required to expand the disk array whenever it was committed to quota, even if actual use was very low. Every site that I know of which uses quotas handles disk upgrades when utilization requires it, not when quota subscription does. So, is it fair to rephrase that as ignore quotas, pay attention to actual usage? I agree that some degree of oversubscription is probably desireable, and it would be much easier to just add storage whenever it looks to be getting fullish. My situation right now makes that difficult - budget is gone, so I can't add storage, and my users sometimes start up a big simulation that could potentially fill the disk right before the weekend. If the hoggy simulation crashes itself, that's okay, but if it brings down a lot of other jobs submitted by other users, I look bad. I guess even if there was some good tool support, this task is doomed to make everyone unhappy. If you have no money for an upgrade, your hand is forced. You have several choices... 1) Do nothing, pray that your users don't exceed disk space available. If you have numerous customers and your average usage is far below quotas, this is likely to work. 2) Change your TOS to account for the rare case where you actually run out of disk space. Sorta like number 1, but more honest. 3) Reduce user quotas so you'd never overcommit. 4) Offer a premium service to high-needs customers to help cover your costs. 5) Dump your high needs customers and keep everybody else happy. That's pretty much it. (shrug) It's probably out of place for me to question your adminstrative decisions, but are we really talking about imposing limits to one of the cheapest things that there ARE in computer serviceland - disk space - at an average cost of about $70 per TERABYTE of commodity storage? Even if you went with SAS drives, the price only rises to about $150 per 750 GB - just how much space are your end users likely to need? Maybe you can't afford to throw in another disk drive and mount as your /home directory, but more importantly, can you afford not to? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] cannot ping my virtual machine
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, benedict dcunha sylvan.dcu...@gmail.com wrote: if you need any more information plsss do ask Why you have that much names? . Simon - Benedict - Sylvan The surename seems to be always Dcunha. cheers Sven ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] yum update troubles
on 1-3-2011 9:00 PM Luigi Rosa spake the following: Matt said the following on 03/01/11 21:39: Running yum update on CentOS 4.8 32 bit I keep getting this: -- Running transaction check -- Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 for package: perl-IO-Compress -- Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by package perl-IO-Compress I try to uninstall perl-IO-Compress but something like 91 packages depend on it. Any ideas? Conflict with rpmforge, happened to several installation since mid December. Solved removing perl RPM packages and using CPAN. CPAN will just hide the problems, since RPM will NOT know about any CPAN packages and will happily overwrite them. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
snip Odd that you would mention that, just after saying you shouldn't care... And in fact, some servers (e.g. dovecot) may handle more Thank you. http://wiki.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir I am now going to look for a setup guide of procmail-Maildir-dovecot on RHEL/Centos A good side effect of moving to dovecot from wuimap is a BIG speed increase... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Netinstall NFS using local server.
Dear CentOS community, I have install centos via CD, DVD and Directly off the net via http and FTP. Now I want to do a NFS install from a local server and a client. Both, client and server are in the same vlan 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0. The server has a static 10.14.10.15 address and the client gets its own address via DHCP. I download the DVD image from one of the mirrors and placed it under /centos-media/centosdvd32/DVD/CentOS-5.5-i386-bin-DVD.iso which is a dedicated partition on the server to hold all images. After that I exported the usual entries under /etc/exports and reloaded NFS using /sbin/service nfs reload. This is what my exports file looks like: [r...@zeus DVD]# cat /etc/exports /centos-media/centosdvd64 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,all_squash) /centos-media/centosdvd32/DVD 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,all_squash) After doing so, I also modified the entries under IPtables to allow traffic in 111 and 2049 at the UDP/TCP level and restarted the service as shown bellow. [r...@zeus DVD]# cat /etc/sysconfig/iptables # Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] -A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp --dport 5353 -d 224.0.0.251 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 2049 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 111 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 2049 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 111 -j ACCEPT COMMIT [r...@zeus DVD]# /sbin/service iptables restart When I try loading the net-install disc from the client i get to the area where I specify the Ip of the server and the NFS path in the server, hitting enter returns That directory does not seem to contain CentOS installation tree, I triple check the ISO and I know its there with all appropriate permissions. Can someone tell me what am I missing? I have spend all day trying to get NFS working in the local vlan, i know that all ports are open within the vlan at the routers level. Any clues? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] yum update troubles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Silva said the following on 04/01/11 20:06: CPAN will just hide the problems, since RPM will NOT know about any CPAN packages and will happily overwrite them. I am not a Perl expert, but in my experience the packages installed with CPAN and with RPM does not overwrite each other. CPAN stores the libraries in a different directory in which Perl looks for libraries before than looking for the libraries downloaded with RPM. This is according my experience, but some Perl installation expert will be able to clarify this issue. Ciao, luigi - -- / +--[Luigi Rosa]-- \ Critics are like eunuchs in a harem: they know how it's done, they've seen it done every day, but they're unable to do it themselves. --Brendan Behan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0jeY4ACgkQ3kWu7Tfl6ZRyfgCeLFHLbgpueDuXz7x+ClP5VxGp TRgAn0BveyVanUgrpGo3/Tj/He72A72Q =QJWl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT how to prevent oversubscription of a disk
On 1/3/2011 1:39 PM, Dave wrote: So, is it fair to rephrase that as ignore quotas, pay attention to actual usage? I agree that some degree of oversubscription is probably desireable, and it would be much easier to just add storage whenever it looks to be getting fullish. My situation right now makes that difficult - budget is gone, so I can't add storage, and my users sometimes start up a big simulation that could potentially fill the disk right before the weekend. If the hoggy simulation crashes itself, that's okay, but if it brings down a lot of other jobs submitted by other users, I look bad. I guess even if there was some good tool support, this task is doomed to make everyone unhappy. To take this in a slightly different direction, if all of your users more or less cooperate, you might slice out dedicated (real or virtual) resources to run jobs for them and add something like Hudson (http://hudson-ci.org/) to schedule/serialize the runs. It is normally used to do 'continuous integration' builds whenever code changes in a source control system, but it can really control any jobs you want with a variety of triggers across multiple cross platform nodes. With this approach it might be possible to share/reuse the same space, gathering the results at the end of the job instead of having users competing, each using up their own space. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Netinstall NFS using local server.
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Lisandro Grullon lgrul...@citytech.cuny.edu wrote: Dear CentOS community, I have install centos via CD, DVD and Directly off the net via http and FTP. Now I want to do a NFS install from a local server and a client. Both, client and server are in the same vlan 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0. The server has a static 10.14.10.15 address and the client gets its own address via DHCP. I download the DVD image from one of the mirrors and placed it under /centos-media/centosdvd32/DVD/CentOS-5.5-i386-bin-DVD.iso which is a dedicated partition on the server to hold all images. After that I exported the usual entries under /etc/exports and reloaded NFS using /sbin/service nfs reload. This is what my exports file looks like: [r...@zeus DVD]# cat /etc/exports /centos-media/centosdvd64 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,all_squash) /centos-media/centosdvd32/DVD 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,all_squash) After doing so, I also modified the entries under IPtables to allow traffic in 111 and 2049 at the UDP/TCP level and restarted the service as shown bellow. [r...@zeus DVD]# cat /etc/sysconfig/iptables # Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] -A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp --dport 5353 -d 224.0.0.251 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 2049 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 111 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 2049 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 111 -j ACCEPT COMMIT [r...@zeus DVD]# /sbin/service iptables restart When I try loading the net-install disc from the client i get to the area where I specify the Ip of the server and the NFS path in the server, hitting enter returns That directory does not seem to contain CentOS installation tree, I triple check the ISO and I know its there with all appropriate permissions. Can someone tell me what am I missing? I have spend all day trying to get NFS working in the local vlan, i know that all ports are open within the vlan at the routers level. Any clues? ___ Did you actually mount the ISO file, to expose the directory structure to the netinstall script? I don't think it can read ISO's directly, but I could be wrong? -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers SoftDux Website: http://www.SoftDux.com Technical Blog: http://Blog.SoftDux.com Office: 087 805 9573 Cell: 082 554 7532 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] yum update troubles
On 01/04/2011 11:48 AM, Luigi Rosa wrote: -- I am not a Perl expert, but in my experience the packages installed with CPAN and with RPM does not overwrite each other. CPAN stores the libraries in a different directory in which Perl looks for libraries before than looking for the libraries downloaded with RPM. This is according my experience, but some Perl installation expert will be able to clarify this issue. Right up until an update for Perl itself is pushed - and then you will find all your packages gone. If you need to tweek, use cpan2rpm to generate rpms. I've generally found the issues are tied to man files - so if you suppress the man file generation in the spec and stick with perldoc for a module's documentation you can generally work around the conflicts. -- Benjamin Franz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Netinstall NFS using local server.
I tried both way, I mounted the ISO to /test then copy its full content to the root of my export and even left the ISO there just in case. I still see the error That directory does not seem to contain a CentOS installation tree, do I have to dd the ISO I just did a simple cp -rf * Rudi Ahlers 01/04/11 3:31 PM On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Lisandro Grullon wrote: Dear CentOS community, I have install centos via CD, DVD and Directly off the net via http and FTP. Now I want to do a NFS install from a local server and a client. Both, client and server are in the same vlan 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0. The server has a static 10.14.10.15 address and the client gets its own address via DHCP. I download the DVD image from one of the mirrors and placed it under /centos-media/centosdvd32/DVD/CentOS-5.5-i386-bin-DVD.iso which is a dedicated partition on the server to hold all images. After that I exported the usual entries under /etc/exports and reloaded NFS using /sbin/service nfs reload. This is what my exports file looks like: [r...@zeus DVD]# cat /etc/exports /centos-media/centosdvd64 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,all_squash) /centos-media/centosdvd32/DVD 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,all_squash) After doing so, I also modified the entries under IPtables to allow traffic in 111 and 2049 at the UDP/TCP level and restarted the service as shown bellow. [r...@zeus DVD]# cat /etc/sysconfig/iptables # Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] -A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp --dport 5353 -d 224.0.0.251 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 2049 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 111 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 2049 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 111 -j ACCEPT COMMIT [r...@zeus DVD]# /sbin/service iptables restart When I try loading the net-install disc from the client i get to the area where I specify the Ip of the server and the NFS path in the server, hitting enter returns That directory does not seem to contain CentOS installation tree, I triple check the ISO and I know its there with all appropriate permissions. Can someone tell me what am I missing? I have spend all day trying to get NFS working in the local vlan, i know that all ports are open within the vlan at the routers level. Any clues? ___ Did you actually mount the ISO file, to expose the directory structure to the netinstall script? I don't think it can read ISO's directly, but I could be wrong? -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers SoftDux Website: http://www.SoftDux.com Technical Blog: http://Blog.SoftDux.com Office: 087 805 9573 Cell: 082 554 7532 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] why is this html looks like this?
soruce code of the html file: http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6448/sourcey.png it looks like this in the realiy: http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6448/sourcey.png WHY? if i put it in pre , then it's good. but if it isn't in pre then the lines ends are random. why dont they end in the same vertical line? thank you, and sorry for askin html...i just can't figure it out :( ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] why is this html looks like this?
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:52 PM, S Mathias smathias1...@yahoo.com wrote: (...) WHY? (...) Why you post the same message on different mailing lists? Here at Ubuntu users https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-January/237967.html cheers Sven ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] noob question about mock
Michael Gliwinski writes: Actually, mock can build an SRPM from spec file and dir with sources: $ mock --buildsrpm --spec=/path/to/spec --source=/path/to/src/dir I've been using it at least since 1.0.5, which is definitely in EPEL, not sure if it was available in older versions. Sure it may require some scripting around it to automate it but it has the advantage of verifying build depends, etc. so it's worth it IMO. Cheers for that! -- Nux! www.nux.ro ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Netinstall NFS using local server.
Anyone out there tried to do an install via NFS using their own local NFS server rather than streaming the entire process? Lisandro Grullon 01/04/11 3:48 PM I tried both way, I mounted the ISO to /test then copy its full content to the root of my export and even left the ISO there just in case. I still see the error That directory does not seem to contain a CentOS installation tree, do I have to dd the ISO I just did a simple cp -rf * Rudi Ahlers 01/04/11 3:31 PM On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Lisandro Grullon wrote: Dear CentOS community, I have install centos via CD, DVD and Directly off the net via http and FTP. Now I want to do a NFS install from a local server and a client. Both, client and server are in the same vlan 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0. The server has a static 10.14.10.15 address and the client gets its own address via DHCP. I download the DVD image from one of the mirrors and placed it under /centos-media/centosdvd32/DVD/CentOS-5.5-i386-bin-DVD.iso which is a dedicated partition on the server to hold all images. After that I exported the usual entries under /etc/exports and reloaded NFS using /sbin/service nfs reload. This is what my exports file looks like: [r...@zeus DVD]# cat /etc/exports /centos-media/centosdvd64 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,all_squash) /centos-media/centosdvd32/DVD 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,all_squash) After doing so, I also modified the entries under IPtables to allow traffic in 111 and 2049 at the UDP/TCP level and restarted the service as shown bellow. [r...@zeus DVD]# cat /etc/sysconfig/iptables # Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] -A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp --dport 5353 -d 224.0.0.251 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 2049 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 111 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 2049 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 111 -j ACCEPT COMMIT [r...@zeus DVD]# /sbin/service iptables restart When I try loading the net-install disc from the client i get to the area where I specify the Ip of the server and the NFS path in the server, hitting enter returns That directory does not seem to contain CentOS installation tree, I triple check the ISO and I know its there with all appropriate permissions. Can someone tell me what am I missing? I have spend all day trying to get NFS working in the local vlan, i know that all ports are open within the vlan at the routers level. Any clues? ___ Did you actually mount the ISO file, to expose the directory structure to the netinstall script? I don't think it can read ISO's directly, but I could be wrong? -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers SoftDux Website: http://www.SoftDux.com Technical Blog: http://Blog.SoftDux.com Office: 087 805 9573 Cell: 082 554 7532 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] why is this html looks like this?
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Sven Aluoor alu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:52 PM, S Mathias smathias1...@yahoo.com wrote: (...) WHY? (...) Why you post the same message on different mailing lists? Here at Ubuntu users https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-January/237967.html Clearly this person thinks that a) all OS technical discussion lists are unbounded resources for asking any old question, regardless of how it applies to the OS in question and b) this is how to do one's homework - have someone else on the web do it for you. Perhaps we should just ignore him/her. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Netinstall NFS using local server.
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 16:42 -0500, Lisandro Grullon wrote: Anyone out there tried to do an install via NFS using their own local NFS server rather than streaming the entire process? Would it be hard to have a little patience? showmount -e hostname for the server? Try it on another client? All services running? John ftp and http is much easier my opinion... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] why is this html looks like this?
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, Mark wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Mark mhullr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] why is this html looks like this? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Sven Aluoor alu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:52 PM, S Mathias smathias1...@yahoo.com wrote: (...) WHY? (...) Why you post the same message on different mailing lists? Here at Ubuntu users https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-January/237967.html Clearly this person thinks that a) all OS technical discussion lists are unbounded resources for asking any old question, regardless of how it applies to the OS in question and b) this is how to do one's homework - have someone else on the web do it for you. Perhaps we should just ignore him/her. To the OP - try asking at webdeveloper.com :) Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] what happened to the status
Jerry Geis wrote on 01/04/2011 09:21 AM: Hey - back to work today and just noticed the last status update for release 6 ( http://twitter.com/centos ) was way back on Dec 1. Closest I have seen to a later status update is at http://twitter.com/kbsingh Everyone have a Great New Year! :) Happy New Year, Phil ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] which good freechat software
Hi all Which good chat software application to recommend in website? Thank you ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] which good freechat software
On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 03:23:46PM -0800, ann kok wrote: Hi all Which good chat software application to recommend in website? Thank you irssi! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] noob question about mock
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Michael Gliwinski writes: Actually, mock can build an SRPM from spec file and dir with sources: $ mock --buildsrpm --spec=/path/to/spec --source=/path/to/src/dir I've been using it at least since 1.0.5, which is definitely in EPEL, not sure if it was available in older versions. Sure it may require some scripting around it to automate it but it has the advantage of verifying build depends, etc. so it's worth it IMO. Cheers for that! I wonder if it would help with the nosrc.rpm packages for JPackage? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Netinstall NFS using local server.
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Lisandro Grullon lgrul...@citytech.cuny.edu wrote: Dear CentOS community, I have install centos via CD, DVD and Directly off the net via http and FTP. Now I want to do a NFS install from a local server and a client. Both, client and server are in the same vlan 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0. *Don't*. From painful experience, the NFS is very fragile to local network interruptions and tends to leave unreleased mountpoints reported on the NFS server, which makes getting meaningful monitoring of the server quite awkward. The server has a static 10.14.10.15 address and the client gets its own address via DHCP. I download the DVD image from one of the mirrors and placed it under /centos-media/centosdvd32/DVD/CentOS-5.5-i386-bin-DVD.iso which is a dedicated partition on the server to hold all images. After that I exported the usual entries under /etc/exports and reloaded NFS using /sbin/service nfs reload. This is what my exports file looks like: [r...@zeus DVD]# cat /etc/exports /centos-media/centosdvd64 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,all_squash) /centos-media/centosdvd32/DVD 10.14.10.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,all_squash) After doing so, I also modified the entries under IPtables to allow traffic in 111 and 2049 at the UDP/TCP level and restarted the service as shown bellow. Oh, dear. This sort of thing is requirement is why you simply run a light FTP or HTTP server and make it accessible that way. It's nominally slower, but the difference is hardly noticeable. [r...@zeus DVD]# cat /etc/sysconfig/iptables # Firewall configuration written by system-config-securitylevel # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] -A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp --dport 5353 -d 224.0.0.251 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 2049 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 111 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 2049 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -s 10.14.10.0/24 -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 111 -j ACCEPT COMMIT [r...@zeus DVD]# /sbin/service iptables restart When I try loading the net-install disc from the client i get to the area where I specify the Ip of the server and the NFS path in the server, hitting enter returns That directory does not seem to contain CentOS installation tree, I triple check the ISO and I know its there with all appropriate permissions. Can someone tell me what am I missing? I have spend all day trying to get NFS working in the local vlan, i know that all ports are open within the vlan at the routers level. Any clues? What is the actual path you are giving it? Are you looking at the top of the relevant NFS exported directory? And did you pout all the contents of the ISO image there, are are you doing somehing stranger? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] yum update troubles
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Benjamin Franz jfr...@freerun.com wrote: On 01/04/2011 11:48 AM, Luigi Rosa wrote: -- I am not a Perl expert, but in my experience the packages installed with CPAN and with RPM does not overwrite each other. CPAN stores the libraries in a different directory in which Perl looks for libraries before than looking for the libraries downloaded with RPM. This is according my experience, but some Perl installation expert will be able to clarify this issue. Right up until an update for Perl itself is pushed - and then you will find all your packages gone. If you need to tweek, use cpan2rpm to generate rpms. I've generally found the issues are tied to man files - so if you suppress the man file generation in the spec and stick with perldoc for a module's documentation you can generally work around the conflicts. This is why http://perl.arix.com/cpan2rpm/ exists. It's very handy for precisely this sort of situation. It doesn't protect against advanced modules that are now part of the base Perl deployment, or that used to be part of it, but it was critical to my development of the first complete Bugzilla RPM's, and invaluable for submitting .spec files to RPMforge or EPEL. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Helper variables like %{rhel} on CentOS
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Santi Saez santis...@woop.es wrote:
El 03/01/2011 20:15, Akemi Yagi escribió:
You may want to look into the srpms of nx/freenx in the CentOS extras
repository. The spec file contains the following:
# centos_ver is a number (2,3,4,5). It can be provided in the build system or
# via the command line with the following define for rpmbuild
# --define centos_ver 5
# If centos_ver is not provided the following will find it and should work on
# all current redhat based EL rebuilds, will not work properly on FC though
%{!?centos_ver: %define centos_ver %(Z=`rpm -q --whatprovides
/etc/redhat-release`;A=`rpm -q --qf '%{V}' $Z`; echo ${A:0:1})}
Hi Akemi,
Thanks for the tip :)
If I put Johnny's code in my .rpmmacros it works, but I get this warning:
error: Macro % has illegal name (%define)
I have solved with this change:
# Helper variable that defines CentOS release number, http://goo.gl/dkGUg
# This macro is based on Johnny Hughes's freenx.spec, from extras repo
%rhel %(/bin/rpm -q --qf '%{VERSION}' centos-release)
Hmmm.. You might befit from the portability of this approach
%rhel 0%(/bin/rpm -q --f /etc/redhat-release -qf '%{VERSION}\n' )
Notice that this now works with RHEL and CentOS, and the \n keeps
certain programs historically happier with the commands having an EOL.
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Re: [CentOS] using kvm
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, Jerry Geis wrote: All - I am running a virtual windows 7 (pro 64) on centos 5.5 x86_64. I was hoping to run virtual XP inside windows7 in this configuration. I get an error about cannot start virtual XP when I try this. Do I not have something setup correctly or can I not run a double virtual environment? I'd be very surprised if that would work. The virtual environments check for the correct processor type. A virtual cpu is probably not on the list.. -- Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE j...@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. Thomas Paine ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] why is this html looks like this?
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 14:16 -0800, Mark wrote: smathias1...@yahoo.com this is how to do one's homework - have someone else on the web do it for you. The 1972 in the address kinda made me laugh. Do you think he's posting from his daddies address or just pretending to be more mature than he actually is? ;) Leonard. -- mount -t life -o ro /dev/dna /genetic/research ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] why is this html looks like this?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/04/2011 07:10 PM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 14:16 -0800, Mark wrote: smathias1...@yahoo.com this is how to do one's homework - have someone else on the web do it for you. The 1972 in the address kinda made me laugh. Do you think he's posting from his daddies address or just pretending to be more mature than he actually is? ;) Leonard. I vote for pretending -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJNI8fKAAoJEPXCUD/44PWq0+oP/iYNiyh2qpxskYIqWIvxJoBg nmH24jdm/rjSx6KwxQanukb9ypR0mqduIswdSpAILypGdhIKML4Cj8BnLw+8NKVr F6AUsrBOYkn4f0qLlB/JhH6L+09nAaHLwde7Z5thUIahlsfAWFbO/TaaCPsiAeBN ZKQr4I6cvCNmMrj7K66wsp1NxI4KLKmQCnmdcW43OJ+3FOiq5yoRchqbVYxKHWPw Ntb6EhyDJXDpylBB7J7uMxi5OA55EtX+785rt4PHbvtl3st7IKm0qNkmbZsQEtsu pmQMeYThOpZI+lgDAkx8EsKR7QHofP3KZSlU0WLvxlHgtRiyYCxhFdaqvXyDSRL+ QPZx6FSnWmZoLmUR2fFG5eHaJnXdT4SJml8LqUUpI8nXQFsxyBxupa7AGkSGU9EK KNMdfQ/mRA/BbgDSj/Qxp5uEY4K9lvtlmmWkJl6+pRZe4Xb58qvTAqTJmyj53hry 1MqnE8bp1nedv6+ATltzF+pelTpuLBAkIhoyB+68vOAVPFPLr62+peQI9Z5NveLm kELAyIQHstbuXFmPng2sb6kM8dk0QjRIueVMGjllB1Bb8YOK7Nt1TyX2Nu2CLOp7 GCVnXzNkgem+c5pkpKrQWLd38O4GshkBcQGPiEr+bSMCn4hd5KHzt2Bwo9XYf5Z3 JF406R6tFCatp5bm1WpX =OwDM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] why is this html looks like this?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/04/2011 04:16 PM, Mark wrote: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Sven Aluoor alu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:52 PM, S Mathias smathias1...@yahoo.com wrote: (...) WHY? (...) Why you post the same message on different mailing lists? Here at Ubuntu users https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-January/237967.html Clearly this person thinks that a) all OS technical discussion lists are unbounded resources for asking any old question, regardless of how it applies to the OS in question and b) this is how to do one's homework - have someone else on the web do it for you. Perhaps we should just ignore him/her. Perhaps they should have the moderation bit set. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJNI8gaAAoJEPXCUD/44PWqQHwP/0EFKUF86VOrrS3dmDE9IasM tuH5XiDDWaXsY0b/o/id5cVvozV/p2l3/DYCqhZIhWMJs/+pBZvOu6vR96bcTLvq 0soLFzHriAm+YrKkOPiHvmNojWDY0Rh/cHVOrcfucmLJpNLgbXuTffI28ODiP07l x7UPZqhmPdD5c1qnbZM99bnu/mBY5Jt21bzdLXHnaK2gGzhw4AHODERq3tpHFHbF GQfQ2CJlGY8r0RS4PqKwhA4NiIL8P1OP3HVePc5zGY6UUTZ8V5xXAnVj9GtvYqBk N9+3+z0zO/WfG5t3va5HvpSx6tmUNDvdpXNIoNatBVVROFawB2fK39KNwTykprTm LY2XF4+pZHIEMEbv8DISSi9B1c4jnvNfRen7Q/AHx+kd0S8xs7FN4YzmBnKi+rrH iC/GKBmer39EcamneBVdeecdUlYlH4Gw/C4vNZtxkR5KLzgUHnCpwzw22alqxVxb zviYBQ/zhQ3LLgKmYCfM2f0JXeT6L/rV0wIWdlJHAVy37auITlgjAuXTl6EzfKiD 5B7Wq+8m6aGgvPwSiAybCQkCQgSlcWol7b/spz8iw+45QSTNkWW6gv4b+BhZvFMU O0DaOLPS8uHCZJJS6otdiaFr+RahoZDDAIT78OS/QeeeJclzv3W1KE+x0f5nWOz/ H85e75ScYDSL7CrCQtvG =PuPz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir
I've been happily using and deploying Cyrus based systems for over a decade, so I'll jump in with my $0.02. Many people care about storage format. It was mentioned previously that Cyrus IMAPd uses an internal format. Well, it happens that that internal format is really just the mail message itself, one per file. This means that incremental backups are extreamly effective, including for *huge* mailboxes. It also means that if you feel you need to, you can go in as root and read the message directly. Mailbox repairs are done by reparsing the original email. Cyrus is solid, scalable, fast, portable, and all the other adjectives you'd want from a production mail store. That includes being able to run it in a master/failover HA cluster, BTW. An observation was also made about large numbers of small files. Yes, you do have to be aware of inode allocations and the behavior of your underlying filesystems with any system that doesn't use monolithic mailboxes. Grep and wc can help you figure out how much that should concern you based on your existing mail store. Cyrus can mitigate the inode and filesystem performance issues by having mailboxes spread across different filesystems. If you run a system with a truly large number of users, then consider Cyrus Murder for horizontal scaleout. I find that pairing Cyrus IMAPd with sendmail, horde, MailScanner, clamav, and a few assorted antispam mechanisms is a really good combination. (I'm not saying that postfix or whatever is bad, but don't sell sendmail short, either.) That combination can exist on a single host, but doesn't need to. In fact, in a few installations I have multiple sendmails doing remote delivery to cyrus via network-based lmtp (all locked down, of course). Regarding quotas, cyrus will take care of that for you at the MDA level; you don't need filesystem quotas. (And in fact, because all files are owned by Cyrus, a filesystem-based quota wouldn't work anyway.) Jason, if you decide to go with Cyrus and need advice on integration with sendmail (since you obviously want to stick with it), drop me a line privately. Devin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] why is this html looks like this?
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 02:10:46AM +0100, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: The 1972 in the address kinda made me laugh. Do you think he's posting from his daddies address or just pretending to be more mature than he actually is? ;) Not my kid! (AFAIK, anyway) --keith, born in 1972 (and my kids are 7 and 4, so I don't think it's them!) -- kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us pgpsbzKaZppNo.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] why is this html looks like this?
On 01/04/11 7:29 PM, Keith Keller wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 02:10:46AM +0100, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: The 1972 in the address kinda made me laugh. Do you think he's posting from his daddies address or just pretending to be more mature than he actually is? ;) Not my kid! (AFAIK, anyway) --keith, born in 1972 (and my kids are 7 and 4, so I don't think it's them!) More likely, its his 1972nd alias used for bogus questions on random technical lists --pierce, graduated from HS in 1972 (and my kids are 20 and 16, so I don't think its them) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] yum update troubles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Benjamin Franz said the following on 04/01/11 21:42: Right up until an update for Perl itself is pushed - and then you will find all your packages gone. If you need to tweek, use cpan2rpm to generate rpms. I've generally found the issues are tied to man files - so if you suppress the man file generation in the spec and stick with perldoc for a module's documentation you can generally work around the conflicts. You are right about the problem about update. That's why I put every Perl library I install on a server in a script that invokes either yum or CPAN to install/update/document the installed libraries. I will give cpan2rpm a try, thank you Ciao, luigi - -- / +--[Luigi Rosa]-- \ Good day for a change of scene. Repaper the bedroom wall. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEUEARECAAYFAk0j9N0ACgkQ3kWu7Tfl6ZTIVQCY2c1EOFzqEc/7BiO9n2PAByiV lACcDqKBG1ZCue/ZQoIdaq/n2yfFGN8= =R4s8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
