Re: [CentOS-docs] Access (French translation)
Am 18.07.11 03:29, schrieb Damien Durand: Hi Ralph The real problem with that: Are you willing to stay on? And to translate other pages? I think the best thing i can do for know is to translate the big part and useful pages (Release Note, FAQ etc.). I can't translate all the wiki alone and stay up-to-date with the upstream content but, i want to start somewhere :-) Okay. Why don't you begin with the Release Notes, see if you like it, and then try some of the other stuff (you can edit the fr pages) - but please keep us updated, if you want to stay on. Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-announce] CESA-2011:0927 Important CentOS 5 i386 kernel Update
CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2011:0927 Important
Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2011-0927.html
The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently
syncing to the mirrors: ( md5sum Filename )
i386:
40261f41e17f5847e5542f21a901bd89 kernel-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.i686.rpm
ea0ede2d0ad22c8214ee16d953d5d6d2 kernel-debug-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.i686.rpm
deec5173a7ef557929db5fda3463b51e
kernel-debug-devel-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.i686.rpm
cc8279cf9d118c6203240d7f98f26778 kernel-devel-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.i686.rpm
e2350bff673fc28f02e37a05a96067a3 kernel-doc-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.noarch.rpm
68241e041732ffd7847a931527edea65 kernel-headers-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.i386.rpm
958e828c2080f2ef79ac203f6bcf09a9 kernel-PAE-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.i686.rpm
80d97b2f0d78b66dbdcbed765395eeaf kernel-PAE-devel-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.i686.rpm
8c4629ee49f39a3e3721f1e09e77a69a kernel-xen-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.i686.rpm
d93b4d38af1fab0a959a870d42838680 kernel-xen-devel-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.i686.rpm
Source:
7bc7a9f7b653216b34542ff733f7abf1 kernel-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.src.rpm
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[CentOS-announce] CESA-2011:0927 Important CentOS 5 x86_64 kernel Update
CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2011:0927 Important
Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2011-0927.html
The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently
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x86_64:
7ad0a67c4f4c28003fff543c9b015898 kernel-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.x86_64.rpm
45307a106fd29f07c4f590156cfdf207 kernel-debug-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.x86_64.rpm
0d6d847a4bea5c34b9486013ffcc6b99
kernel-debug-devel-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.x86_64.rpm
5c8883d6c06de9380eb6471ce536bae9 kernel-devel-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.x86_64.rpm
c72015ce88ebf092685b6e41316d8a56 kernel-doc-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.noarch.rpm
0bf8bdcc7ad8aa82c819dfafef4517e5 kernel-headers-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.x86_64.rpm
f14c3863855aad4d6ca0ddd9244eed70 kernel-xen-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.x86_64.rpm
8dfd9cc91f7db06c3872d40902b88503
kernel-xen-devel-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.x86_64.rpm
Source:
7bc7a9f7b653216b34542ff733f7abf1 kernel-2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.src.rpm
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[CentOS-announce] CEBA-2011:0940 CentOS 5 i386 xen Update
CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2011:0940
Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2011-0940.html
The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently
syncing to the mirrors: ( md5sum Filename )
i386:
07bf356fef9397114eede6b8ea15c18b xen-3.0.3-120.el5_6.3.i386.rpm
0aa96396a3061d2b5edc7fe798b9bb2d xen-devel-3.0.3-120.el5_6.3.i386.rpm
6b1b73080278fd8bdae0c307571fcd60 xen-libs-3.0.3-120.el5_6.3.i386.rpm
Source:
e2c4a222d8cf1f3643b0c01aae9dbe05 xen-3.0.3-120.el5_6.3.src.rpm
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[CentOS-announce] CEBA-2011:0940 CentOS 5 x86_64 xen Update
CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2011:0940
Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2011-0940.html
The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently
syncing to the mirrors: ( md5sum Filename )
x86_64:
efaccf8fa1ca5c01304b0d3e290dcbf6 xen-3.0.3-120.el5_6.3.x86_64.rpm
cbd7e3e58ad0e9386f184d883ccb2b22 xen-devel-3.0.3-120.el5_6.3.i386.rpm
e1049525fb19ebac3c9e795e9d3b9532 xen-devel-3.0.3-120.el5_6.3.x86_64.rpm
55133f122e6588ff9c831c6b332bf43c xen-libs-3.0.3-120.el5_6.3.i386.rpm
6ac58338babc4694181854cab6f0e598 xen-libs-3.0.3-120.el5_6.3.x86_64.rpm
Source:
e2c4a222d8cf1f3643b0c01aae9dbe05 xen-3.0.3-120.el5_6.3.src.rpm
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Re: [CentOS-virt] CentOS-6.0 and LXC
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Re: [CentOS-virt] Now on to creation of disk images
On 6/28/2011 10:50 AM, Ed Heron wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 09:30 -0400, Steve Campbell wrote: Mr. Heron was so kind to make a suggestion that I should use disk images to install VMs. Upon further thought, I kinda like the idea. So I re-read the manual and google a little, and discover I still don't know what should be in these disk images. Should I copy the contents of the CDs to a file or what? I've got a test server at the moment with Centos 5.5 and xen installed as the host OS, but have just downloaded the 5.6 CD ISOs along with the DVD ISO, so I'll use 5.6 for my VMs. I've read about how I can create an image from something that already exists. Again, any clarity would be appreciated. Just put the ISO's in /var/lib/xen/images and point at them. If you didn't download the discs, you can rip them using: dd if=/dev/optical device of=/var/lib/xen/images/name of disc For example, if ripping the first 5.6 CD... dd if=/dev/hdc of=/var/lib/xen/images/CentOS-5.6-i386-d1.iso I generally rip a disc multiple times and then do a file compare to make sure I've got a reasonable chance of having an undamaged copy. Keep in mind that it isn't as easy to change discs when you are using images on a paravirtual machine. I still recommend setting up a local repository as a much better solution because it allows you to take a snapshot so multiple installs use the exact same versions of everything. I moved the iso images to a folder under /var/lib/xen/images and selected it during an install for a new VM. I've run into a problem I've not yet seen before. The first iso is used just fine, but the second is Not accessible, and nothing I can discover works. So, should the ISOs be moved directly to the images folder instead of a folder below images? Does it matter whether I just copy the iso files (actually, I used scp) or do they need to be run through dd? Thanks for any help. steve ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] Now on to creation of disk images
On 11-07-18 8:26 AM, Steve Campbell campb...@cnpapers.com wrote: On 6/28/2011 10:50 AM, Ed Heron wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 09:30 -0400, Steve Campbell wrote: Mr. Heron was so kind to make a suggestion that I should use disk images to install VMs. Upon further thought, I kinda like the idea. So I re-read the manual and google a little, and discover I still don't know what should be in these disk images. Should I copy the contents of the CDs to a file or what? I've got a test server at the moment with Centos 5.5 and xen installed as the host OS, but have just downloaded the 5.6 CD ISOs along with the DVD ISO, so I'll use 5.6 for my VMs. I've read about how I can create an image from something that already exists. Again, any clarity would be appreciated. Just put the ISO's in /var/lib/xen/images and point at them. If you didn't download the discs, you can rip them using: dd if=/dev/optical device of=/var/lib/xen/images/name of disc For example, if ripping the first 5.6 CD... dd if=/dev/hdc of=/var/lib/xen/images/CentOS-5.6-i386-d1.iso I generally rip a disc multiple times and then do a file compare to make sure I've got a reasonable chance of having an undamaged copy. Keep in mind that it isn't as easy to change discs when you are using images on a paravirtual machine. I still recommend setting up a local repository as a much better solution because it allows you to take a snapshot so multiple installs use the exact same versions of everything. I moved the iso images to a folder under /var/lib/xen/images and selected it during an install for a new VM. I've run into a problem I've not yet seen before. The first iso is used just fine, but the second is Not accessible, and nothing I can discover works. So, should the ISOs be moved directly to the images folder instead of a folder below images? Does it matter whether I just copy the iso files (actually, I used scp) or do they need to be run through dd? If you have SELinux enabled then it could be denying access to images in a 'non-standard' folder. Try putting them directly in the images folder, or alternatively, if you don't care about SELinux, setting SELinux to Permissive or Disabled. Cheers, Kelvin ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] CentOS-6.0 and LXC
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 12:32 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: afaik, LXC was on target for 6.2 Can someone please summarise the main differences between KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine) and LXC (Linux Containers) which are similar to BSD jails ? Can one put KVMs into any quantity of LXCs ? Do LXCs run only with the main operating system, whereas KVM can run with a guest operating system ? Puuzzled. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] CentOS-6.0 and LXC
As far as I am aware, KVM uses the cpu hardware to run completely different operating systems independently of the host. LXC is similar to Linux-VServer, or virtuozzo, where you are always running a base kernel, and can run multiple init's at the same time. Each init (and any processes spawed from that init) are completely isolated, which gives the appearance of a different operating system being run. Note that each container uses the same host kernel, so you cant run software that requires older or newer kernels, or kernels which require specific modules that are not in the host kernel. But you get the benefit that you dont need to switch out entire OS images and/or virtualize hardware, processes are simply scheduled as they would be normally. The only overhead is the extra memory/cpu that the extra processes take up. I like using linux-vserver as I can access my guests filesystem from my host instance (as its usually just a subdirectory of the main filesystem). I also like it as I can control the networking interfaces from the host with ease, and my firewall is controlled from the host, so I know what traffic is going in/out etc and what ports are open for all ip's on the box, through my firewall rules in the central location. I'm not sure how LXC works this way, as I think they virtualize the networking as well, which is why I'm keen to try it out :) Take what I say with a grain of salt too :) Matt. On 19 July 2011 00:26, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 12:32 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: afaik, LXC was on target for 6.2 Can someone please summarise the main differences between KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine) and LXC (Linux Containers) which are similar to BSD jails ? Can one put KVMs into any quantity of LXCs ? Do LXCs run only with the main operating system, whereas KVM can run with a guest operating system ? Puuzzled. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] CentOS-6.0 and LXC
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 08:22 +1000, Matt Paine wrote: As far as I am aware, KVM uses the cpu hardware to run completely different operating systems independently of the host. LXC is similar to Linux-VServer, or virtuozzo, where you are always running a base kernel, and can run multiple init's at the same time. ... Thank you for your explanation. It is most helpful. To summarise what I think is correct: One can run multiple LXC containers, each containing an identical version of the main host operating system but processes are separate from the others. KVM creates a type of 'container' allowing different host operating systems to run in that container. Can one run inside a LXC container a KVM ? Can one run inside a KVM some LXC containers ? Or is the simultaneous usage on the same machine of LXC and KVM mutually exclusive or incompatible ? Thank you again. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 04:04 +0100, Always Learning wrote: On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 22:37 -0400, Stephen Harris wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 09:07:38PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: There is no requirement for the greeting name to match any IP, and isn't likely RFC2821 says: - The domain name given in the EHLO command MUST BE either a primary host name (a domain name that resolves to an A RR) or, if the host has no name, an address literal as described in section 4.1.1.1. So, pretty much, HELO or EHLO greeting _must_ match to an IP. (RFC821 actually wanted the HELO to match the connecting host, but 2821 just says it must be an A record or an address literal). It seems spammers have successfully hacked Rupert Murdock's London Times newspaper and copied hundreds of thousands of email addresses or has a member of staff sold the email addresses to spammers to make some money? Though it is certainly possible that a breach of some sort is responsible for your spam, sniffing for email headers on high activity parts of a network would be sufficient to collect a large number of active email addresses to try (sniffing at Tor gateways could provide interesting results, come to think of it). Another big winner for mailbox collection is to not crack the information provider's site, but to instead crack the email service provider and obtain a list of all active accounts on that server (which would likely span multiple domains). Getting a hold of email accounts can happen any number of ways, most of them uncontrollable by the account holder. Its a mailbox -- an open destination for the world to send you stuff. You can't be too surprised when the world does in fact send you stuff. Traditional solutions include hiring a secretary to screen your mail (today this would be setting up SpamAssassin) or ignoring all but personal messages on verified stationary (today this would be digitally signed mail) and instead going out to retreive your information at need instead of having it sent to you at availability. The diffrence between deposit/fetch and send/receive is profound. This is part of why I'm surprised that newsreaders and forums have fallen from favor amongst technical discussion groups. The Logging into forums is a PITA or setting up another client is a PITA arguments obviously won the debate -- though I think spam is a lot deeper into PITA territory than either at the present time. -Iwao ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from CentOS 5.4 to 5.6 - 6.0 (becoming slightly OT...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Nguyen Vu Hung said the following on 17/07/11 20:19: Currently, the OS is installed on a vmware, and arcording to the tech staff, due to technical, they can not install CentOS 6 or anything other than CentOS 5.4 :) I already installed CentOS (and RHEL) 6 on VMware ESXi 4.1 and VMware Workstation 7.1.4. I already put in production a mail server with CentOS 6 on VMware ESXi 4 The so called technical problems are a plain lie: RedHat 6 is around for many months and VMware supports it. Ciao, luigi - -- / +--[Luigi Rosa]-- \ You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back. Luigi, I was about to do the same as you: install 6 on VM Workstation 7.1.4 (dev/test machine) and later on VM Server 2.0.2 (production). As VM does not officially support CentOS6, can you tell me which OS version you have selected? (RH5, CentOS, Other 2.6 kernel?) Is there any other do's and don't I should be aware of? Thanks! Patrick Derwael ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from CentOS 5.4 to 5.6 - 6.0 (becoming slightly OT...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Derwael said the following on 18/07/11 08:53: As VM does not officially support CentOS6, can you tell me which OS version you have selected? (RH5, CentOS, Other 2.6 kernel?) I choose RedHat 6 Is there any other do's and don't I should be aware of? Apart from a tech support that tells you lies, nothing else ;) Ciao, luigi - -- / +--[Luigi Rosa]-- \ It was the dawn of the Third Age of Mankind, ten years after the Earth-Minbari War. The Babylon project was a dream given form. Its goal: to prevent another war by creating a place where humans and aliens could work out their differences peacefully. It's a port of call, home away from home, for diplomats, hustlers, entrepreneurs, and wanderers. Humans and aliens wrapped in two million, five hundred thousand tons of spinning metal, all alone in the night. It can be a dangerous place, but it's our last best hope for peace. This is the story of the last of the Babylon stations. The year is 2258. The name of the place is Babylon 5. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4j2xQACgkQ3kWu7Tfl6ZR05ACdFbj7u8vJrfIVkqfxhNM0jIV+ V9YAoJerZ8Xo+/GB3u1ENyDU3osXEoSB =6SKP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] SQUID Logrotate
Hi all,
i have problem, after uprade CentOS 5.5 to 5.6, Logrotate don't work
on two proxy servers. I have installed :
squid-2.6.STABLE21-6.el5
logrotate-3.7.4-9.el5_5.2
On first server , squid logs never rotated, config is here
cat /etc/logrotate.d/squid
/var/log/squid/access.log {
weekly
rotate 5
copytruncate
compress
notifempty
missingok
}
/var/log/squid/cache.log {
weekly
rotate 5
copytruncate
compress
notifempty
missingok
}
/var/log/squid/store.log {
weekly
rotate 5
copytruncate
compress
notifempty
missingok
# This script asks squid to rotate its logs on its own.
# Restarting squid is a long process and it is not worth
# doing it just to rotate logs
postrotate
/usr/sbin/squid -k rotate
endscript
}
On second server squid logs rotated every day . Config :
/var/log/squid/access.log {
weekly
rotate 5
copytruncate
compress
notifempty
missingok
}
/var/log/squid/cache.log {
weekly
rotate 5
copytruncate
compress
notifempty
missingok
}
/var/log/squid/store.log {
weekly
rotate 5
copytruncate
compress
notifempty
missingok
# This script asks squid to rotate its logs on its own.
# Restarting squid is a long process and it is not worth
# doing it just to rotate logs
postrotate
/usr/sbin/squid -k rotate
endscript
}
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Re: [CentOS] firewall?
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:12 AM, hadi motamedi motamed...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your help. I learned a lot from your post that enabled me to share Internet connection on my centos 5.6 machine. At now , the windows machine is behind the centos firewall and it can even ping 192.9.9.3 but just cannot resolve the url (even with DNS set for it). I just need to know how to give it Internet service? search for keywords linux routing and linux ip forwarding and you will find umpteen sites with answers to your problem. As suggested by others, budget a cheap NIC and keep Internet and LAN on two separate physical NICs. That would be the minimum best practice. Another piece of advice. Follow the RERERE [1] method to learn Linux administration. By the third you will get it right (that has been my experience). Visit www.tldp.org. You will find several full length books on Linux system/network admin as well how tos Pick the one that meets your scenario, read the material and experiment. That is the best way to learn.BTW you can do this by installing VirtualBox either in Linux or Windows. With VBox you can setup small networks, all in a virtual environment. You can experiment and learn from them. VBox is well documented. For Linux networking, the book by Olaf Kirch and Terry Dawson [2] is a classic. CentOS/RHEL docs are also very comprehensive with theory and examples. When you get stuck on any implementation then ask specific questions - I tried this blah blah found it in this xyz reference and I am stuck on this point. From your posts it does not look like you have tried to do any research.The culture in FOSS mailing lists/forums is to help those who try to help themselves; otherwise opt for commercial support. [1] Read Experiment [2] http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag2/nag2.pdf -- Arun Khan A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] authconfig-gtk-6.1.9-1.fc14.i686.rpm missing durring URL Install ?
Armelius Cameron wrote: On Sunday, July 17, 2011 05:14:49 pm Always Learning wrote: On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 16:51 -0400, Armelius Cameron wrote: This is a rather strange problem. I am using the i386 netinstall CD to boot and do a URL (HTTP) install since my machine only has CD drive and can't boot from USB either. During the install, the installer was looking for package authconfig- gtk-6.1.9-1.fc14.i686.rpm and claims that it's missing. I checked the RPMs under packages, and for sure it wasn't there. But look at the package name. Why is the installer asking for .fc14. package ? authconfig-gtk-6.1.4-6.el6.i686.rpm exists instead, but I don't understand why the .fc14. package was requested. Anyone else sees this ? What version of Centos were you attempting to install ? Centos 6. Sorry, forgot to mention that. One option: You should report this as a bug on bugs.centos.org and wait few days for Mininal CD, Minimal Server CD and LiveCD. Another option: You should report this as a bug on bugs.centos.org and use NetInstall but avoid that package. Then install remaining packages from yum. I haven't used NetInstall in a while. Have you had to enter http address or was it done automatically? I was thinking was it possible that it looked at Fedora 14 repository? Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] cent0s-6 and virtualbox
Michel Donais wrote: Hrrm, seems as if the ISO may be using a PAE kernel by default. PAE is a kernel that will be able to make use of more than 4GB of RAM with i686. Ah, I see it's apparently a decision by RH. I assume there's some logic in it, though I don't know what it is. http://jp.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26352forum=14 See if it's possible to add PAE to the machine settings in VirtualBox. Settings=System=Processor The box is already checked but the CPU doesn't have PAE capability so it's useless. It won't be a bad thing thatthe install may do a choice of a cpu with or not the capability of PAE as it was in the past. Red Hat decided that this newer version of RHEL(CentOS) *must* have PAE support by CPU to be installed. I think they would even prefer to loose i386 branch all together. Indication was when they supported (or just forced, cant remember witch) Virtualization only on x86_64 on RHEL/CentOS 5.x. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 firewall how to open a port
Timothy Murphy wrote: There does seem to be a bug/feature: if you enter the same procedure by Administration=Firewall (in KDE) you cannot make any changes (at least I could not) even after giving the superuser password, when requested. You should reported as a bug, either to bugs.centos.org or on Red Hat's bugzilla. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] redhat-release file on C6
Stephen Harris wrote: Curious as to why redhat-release says CentOS Linux release in C6, but on C5 it merely says 'CentOS release. This causes programs that try to parse the file (eg Xen Tools) to fail 'cos it can't parse properly. This caught me out as well ... Maybe CentOS are planning a release of something that isn't based on Linux :-) James Pearson ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:12:16PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: On 7/17/11 9:37 PM, Stephen Harris wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 09:07:38PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: There is no requirement for the greeting name to match any IP, and isn't likely RFC2821 says: - The domain name given in the EHLO command MUST BE either a primary host name (a domain name that resolves to an A RR) or, if the host has no name, an address literal as described in section 4.1.1.1. So, pretty much, HELO or EHLO greeting _must_ match to an IP. (RFC821 actually wanted the HELO to match the connecting host, but 2821 just says it must be an A record or an address literal). That's a long way for saying it MUST be the name of that particular host (which I addessed that in the parenthetical; 821 did require it; 2821 doesn't. -- rgds Stephen ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] redhat-release file on C6
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, James Pearson wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: James Pearson jame...@moving-picture.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] redhat-release file on C6 Stephen Harris wrote: Curious as to why redhat-release says CentOS Linux release in C6, but on C5 it merely says 'CentOS release. This causes programs that try to parse the file (eg Xen Tools) to fail 'cos it can't parse properly. This caught me out as well ... Maybe CentOS are planning a release of something that isn't based on Linux :-) Windoze 7.5 ?? Keith - ROTFL - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] redhat-release file on C6
Am 18.07.2011 13:49, schrieb Keith Roberts: Maybe CentOS are planning a release of something that isn't based on Linux :-) Windoze 7.5 ?? Note: Debian 7.0 will be available with Hurd kernel: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/news/2011-q2.html Who knows what Redhat is planning... :) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] cent0s-6 and virtualbox
Indication was when they supported (or just forced, cant remember witch) Virtualization only on x86_64 on RHEL/CentOS 5.x. They only support KVM as a host technology for virtualization now. KVM requires the CPU virtualization extensions to function. The functions are only available on the CPU when in 64bit (long) mode. There are sound technical reasons for this and it wasn't just them being stubborn to drop an architecture. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On 7/18/11 5:43 AM, Stephen Harris wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:12:16PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: On 7/17/11 9:37 PM, Stephen Harris wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 09:07:38PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: There is no requirement for the greeting name to match any IP, and isn't likely RFC2821 says: - The domain name given in the EHLO command MUST BE either a primary host name (a domain name that resolves to an A RR) or, if the host has no name, an address literal as described in section 4.1.1.1. So, pretty much, HELO or EHLO greeting _must_ match to an IP. (RFC821 actually wanted the HELO to match the connecting host, but 2821 just says it must be an A record or an address literal). That's a long way for saying it MUST be the name of that particular host (which I addessed that in the parenthetical; 821 did require it; 2821 doesn't. Can you point me to the section? I don't see anything there about the hostname having to match an interface address or being allowed to reject if it isn't - or even any advice on how clustered hosts representing one mail domain should represent themselves. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 07:41:09AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: On 7/18/11 5:43 AM, Stephen Harris wrote: RFC2821 says: - The domain name given in the EHLO command MUST BE either a primary host name (a domain name that resolves to an A RR) or, if the host has no name, an address literal as described in section 4.1.1.1. So, pretty much, HELO or EHLO greeting _must_ match to an IP. (RFC821 actually wanted the HELO to match the connecting host, but 2821 just says it must be an A record or an address literal). Can you point me to the section? I don't see anything there about the hostname having to match an interface address or being allowed to reject if it isn't - or even any advice on how clustered hosts representing one mail domain should represent themselves. I think you think I'm disagreeing with you; I'm not. I'm agreeing with you. The RFCs don't require the SMTP server to match the interface IP address. Note that RFC821 has been obsoleted and replaced with 2821. Anyone programming to 821 requirements is doing it wrong. In fact 2821 has been replaced with 5321 5321 says 2.3.5 [...] The domain name given in the EHLO command MUST be either a primary host name (a domain name that resolves to an address RR) or, if the host has no name, an address literal, as described in Section 4.1.3 and discussed further in the EHLO discussion of Section 4.1.4. I think that reference to 4.1.4 should really be 4.1.1.1... 4.1.1.1. Extended HELLO (EHLO) or HELLO (HELO) These commands are used to identify the SMTP client to the SMTP server. The argument clause contains the fully-qualified domain name of the SMTP client, if one is available. In situations in which the SMTP client system does not have a meaningful domain name (e.g., when its address is dynamically allocated and no reverse mapping record is available), the client SHOULD send an address literal (see Section 4.1.3). You only need to follow 5321 requirements which do _not_ require the host to identify it as matching the specific interface; it merely needs to identify as a valid A record (or address literal) for the client system. There's nothing to say that the client system need be listening to port 25 (or be open to port 25 connections; firewalls for example), so anyone performing HELO (or EHLO) address verification is pretty much limited to the 2.3.5 requirement; that the passed name is _a_ valid name. Which is, AFAIK, all postfix does. -- rgds Stephen ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] C6 install error about cyrus
When I am install C6. I am getting an error about A fatal error occurred when installing the cyrus-sasl package. Exit Installer. These are my packages: ls -l cyrus-* -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm 11745776 Jul 3 00:08 cyrus-imapd-2.3.16-6.el6.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm 238380 Jul 3 00:03 cyrus-imapd-devel-2.3.16-6.el6.i686.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm 237328 Jul 3 00:09 cyrus-imapd-devel-2.3.16-6.el6.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm 260504 Jul 3 00:09 cyrus-imapd-utils-2.3.16-6.el6.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm78796 Jul 3 00:09 cyrus-sasl-2.1.23-8.el6.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm 309328 Jul 3 00:03 cyrus-sasl-devel-2.1.23-8.el6.i686.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm 309068 Jul 3 00:09 cyrus-sasl-devel-2.1.23-8.el6.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm33284 Jul 3 00:03 cyrus-sasl-gssapi-2.1.23-8.el6.i686.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm33764 Jul 3 00:09 cyrus-sasl-gssapi-2.1.23-8.el6.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm28720 Jul 3 00:03 cyrus-sasl-ldap-2.1.23-8.el6.i686.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm29064 Jul 3 00:09 cyrus-sasl-ldap-2.1.23-8.el6.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm 137956 Jul 3 00:03 cyrus-sasl-lib-2.1.23-8.el6.i686.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm 138868 Jul 3 00:09 cyrus-sasl-lib-2.1.23-8.el6.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm46852 Jul 3 00:03 cyrus-sasl-md5-2.1.23-8.el6.i686.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm47284 Jul 3 00:09 cyrus-sasl-md5-2.1.23-8.el6.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm35620 Jul 3 00:03 cyrus-sasl-ntlm-2.1.23-8.el6.i686.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm35728 Jul 3 00:09 cyrus-sasl-ntlm-2.1.23-8.el6.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm30756 Jul 3 00:04 cyrus-sasl-plain-2.1.23-8.el6.i686.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm31020 Jul 3 00:09 cyrus-sasl-plain-2.1.23-8.el6.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm31552 Jul 3 00:04 cyrus-sasl-sql-2.1.23-8.el6.i686.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 silentm silentm31768 Jul 3 00:09 cyrus-sasl-sql-2.1.23-8.el6.x86_64.rpm How might I tell whats wrong? or - I am using kickstart is this package really needed I could just exclude it. Jerry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! after installation of Driver Diskette for enabling Onboard RAID Controller Chipset
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:47 AM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 07/14/11 10:56 PM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote: I have HP DL 180 G6 2U Rack Server with HP Smart Array Controller Card B110i Onboard SATA Controller Chipset. This server has 4 * 500 GB SATA HDD have configured RAID 1+0 and it shows Single Logical Drive of 940 GB Hard Disk in the RAID BIOS. the SmartArray 110i is simply Intel Matrix fake raid. The hardware is purely basic plain SATA JBOD, but the BIOS and driver implement the raid behind the systems back. Configure the BIOS for AHCI native SATA, and use linux native raid. See http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/SoftwareRAIDonCentOS5?highlight=%28RAID%29 -- john r pierce N 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Hi Again, I did some changes, i just created two partitions / and swap using the Anaconda Installer, it worked fine after loading boot loader GRUB and then after it stopped at Kernel Panic. device—mapper: dm—raid15: initialized v0.25941 Waiting for driver initialization Scanning and configuring dnraid supported devices Trying to resume from (LABEL=SWAP-sda2) Unable to access resume device (L‘*wmVgW_¢;1iZ) Creating root device. Hounting root filesystem. EXT3—fs error (device sdc1) : ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 296 not in group (block 231211688)! EXT3~fs1 group descriptors corrupted! mount: error mounting /dev/root on /sysroot as ext3: Invalid argument Setting up other filesystems. Setting up new root fs setuproot: moving /dev failed: No such file or directory no fstab.sys, mounting internal defaults setuproot: error mounting /proc: No such file or directory setuproot: error mounting /sys: No such file or directory Suitching to new root and running init. unmounting old /dev unmounting old /proc unmounting old /sys suitchrootr mount failed: No such file or directory Kernel panic — not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Please suggest further. is there a way to create customized initrd for this default kernel available on CentOS 5.6 Thanks and Regards, Kaushal ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Bacula dbcheck in CentOS6
Anyone else notice that /usr/libexec/bacula/make_catalog_backup.pl runs a dbcheck -B which doesn't seem to exist in the version of dbcheck shipped with it? # strings /usr/sbin/dbcheck |grep -i print sprintf vfprintf snprintf -dt print timestamp in debug output -?print this message %d block read errors not printed. That makes it rather hard to do a catalogue backup with the shipped script? jlc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firewall?
On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 22:17 -0700, Cody Jackson wrote: On 7/17/11, hadi motamedi motamed...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you very much for your reply. Can you please let me know what is the centos mailing list for basic users like me? This one is great: https://google.com Which option do you suggest ? 'Google Search' or 'I'll Feeling Lucky' ? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 15:45 +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 04:04 +0100, Always Learning wrote: It seems spammers have successfully hacked Rupert Murdock's London Times newspaper and copied hundreds of thousands of email addresses or has a member of staff sold the email addresses to spammers to make some money? Though it is certainly possible that a breach of some sort is responsible for your spam, sniffing for email headers on high activity parts of a network would be sufficient to collect a large number of active email addresses to try (sniffing at Tor gateways could provide interesting results, come to think of it). Another big winner for mailbox collection is to not crack the information provider's site, but to instead crack the email service provider and obtain a list of all active accounts on that server (which would likely span multiple domains). In the example I mentioned, it was a specially created single purpose email SMTP address (no POP etc.) used just once about 5? months ago. It is easy for me to block it as the mail server (MTA Mail Transfer Agent) which I have done. Getting a hold of email accounts can happen any number of ways, most of them uncontrollable by the account holder. Its a mailbox -- an open destination for the world to send you stuff. You can't be too surprised when the world does in fact send you stuff. We are no so liberal with mailboxes. Some can be accessed only by prior approved senders. Others, because they are single purpose email addresses, can be permanently blocked after the first unwanted email. Some email addresses are created with sub-domains that can be dropped at the first abuse then replaced by new sub-domains. The difference between deposit/fetch and send/receive is profound. This is part of why I'm surprised that newsreaders and forums have fallen from favor amongst technical discussion groups. The Logging into forums is a PITA or setting up another client is a PITA arguments obviously won the debate -- though I think spam is a lot deeper into PITA territory than either at the present time. The problems with forums are, in my personal opinion:- (1) Spyware : logging every access with Google the USA's international spying operation. (2) Advertisements (3) tiny text difficult to read (4) Pop-up windows (5) Layout not conducive to easy and quick reading. (6) Having to visit a web site and then log-on if one wants to respond. Conversely:- Email Lists are quick, easy, immediate (certainly for my set-up), require no extra effort. Should the address get spammed, then its one quick and simple change:- (a) replacement DNS sub-domain (b) update Mailman (c) change email address in email client. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! after installation of Driver Diskette for enabling Onboard RAID Controller Chipset
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Kaushal Shriyan kaushalshri...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:47 AM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 07/14/11 10:56 PM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote: I have HP DL 180 G6 2U Rack Server with HP Smart Array Controller Card B110i Onboard SATA Controller Chipset. This server has 4 * 500 GB SATA HDD have configured RAID 1+0 and it shows Single Logical Drive of 940 GB Hard Disk in the RAID BIOS. the SmartArray 110i is simply Intel Matrix fake raid. The hardware is purely basic plain SATA JBOD, but the BIOS and driver implement the raid behind the systems back. Configure the BIOS for AHCI native SATA, and use linux native raid. See http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/SoftwareRAIDonCentOS5?highlight=%28RAID%29 -- john r pierce N 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Hi Again, I did some changes, i just created two partitions / and swap using the Anaconda Installer, it worked fine after loading boot loader GRUB and then after it stopped at Kernel Panic. device—mapper: dm—raid15: initialized v0.25941 Waiting for driver initialization Scanning and configuring dnraid supported devices Trying to resume from (LABEL=SWAP-sda2) Unable to access resume device (L‘*wmVgW_¢;1iZ) Creating root device. Hounting root filesystem. EXT3—fs error (device sdc1) : ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 296 not in group (block 231211688)! EXT3~fs1 group descriptors corrupted! mount: error mounting /dev/root on /sysroot as ext3: Invalid argument Setting up other filesystems. Setting up new root fs setuproot: moving /dev failed: No such file or directory no fstab.sys, mounting internal defaults setuproot: error mounting /proc: No such file or directory setuproot: error mounting /sys: No such file or directory Suitching to new root and running init. unmounting old /dev unmounting old /proc unmounting old /sys suitchrootr mount failed: No such file or directory Kernel panic — not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Please suggest further. is there a way to create customized initrd for this default kernel available on CentOS 5.6 Thanks and Regards, Kaushal Hi Again, I have read this on the forums and it explained as below. Probably need to get that module into your initrd. The computer, upon booting, loads a kernel image and an initial ramdisk. the latter is a compressed filesystem image that the bootloader just maps into memory, and it holds a number of kernel modules and helper programs for the kernel you are booting. if it does not contain the kernel module that's driving your RAID controller, the kernel won't ever be able to recognize your disk array, because it lacks the proper driver for it that's why the initrd's helper programs are panicking - they are trying to mount a crucial filesystem from a device which just isn't there it cannot continue, and bails with a big, fat error Somehow need to include the driver you loaded from the USB thumb drive during installation during booting your system (most probably from within the initrd) . probably need to get that module into the initrd. Please guide/suggest further. Regards, Kaushal ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from CentOS 5.4 to 5.6
centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: Hi all, So, how can I get it my CentOS from 5.6 to 6.0? Backup data Clean install Restore data. Insert spiffy .sig here: Life is complex: it has both real and imaginary parts. Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. //me *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.Hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated** ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Cannot install through (U)EFI
Hi all, I've a little problem with CentOS 6 and EFI on Dell Poweredge R510... My Logical disk (hardware raid) is a little bit greated than 9TB, so i must use EFI in order to see the whole disk space and boot on it, but my box don't want to boot on CentOS 6 x86_64 Install DVD when i'm in EFI boot mode. someone has successfully installed CentOS 6 x86_64 in EFI mode ? Regards. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On Monday, July 18, 2011 09:19 PM, Stephen Harris wrote: SPAM-L is that way == oh wait, it's dead... Maybe we can keep discussions about blackhat, incompetent networks, about SMTP, open proxies/relays, honeypots and what have you off this list? Just limit it to sendmail/postfix/exim configuration if you have to discuss these things but please leave everything else outside in NANAE/your favourite spitting pot. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Cannot install through (U)EFI
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Baptiste AGASSE baptiste.aga...@lyra-network.com wrote: Hi all, I've a little problem with CentOS 6 and EFI on Dell Poweredge R510... My Logical disk (hardware raid) is a little bit greated than 9TB, so i must use EFI in order to see the whole disk space and boot on it, but my box don't want to boot on CentOS 6 x86_64 Install DVD when i'm in EFI boot mode. someone has successfully installed CentOS 6 x86_64 in EFI mode ? There is a related bug report here: http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=4969 Akemi ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from CentOS 5.4 to 5.6
On 7/18/2011 9:08 AM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: Hi all, So, how can I get it my CentOS from 5.6 to 6.0? Backup data Clean install Restore data. You left out the hard part which is ensuring that 'data' does not conflict with any new files from the 6.x install, which anything under /etc or /var most likely will, and then making sure that the parts of 'data' that you need from those conflicting files are added back in a compatible way, which will generally be non-trivial. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] About I386 not fitting on one DVD
On Sunday, July 17, 2011 01:31:51 AM John R Pierce wrote: I386 was the original 386 CPU, which ran at speeds from 16 to 33Mhz i486 includes a few additional instructions on the 486 processor, and IIRC, ran at speeds from 25 to 100Mhz Super minor correction: 486SX's at 16 and 20 MHz were available. And I think a 120MHz variation of 486DX4. And then there was AMD's 5x86 at 133MHz. We have a few embedded boards running controllers that are still running 5x86's at 133MHz; about the same speed as a Pentium 75. i586 is the original pentium, at 60, 66, 90, 100 up to about 133Mhz 233 is the fastest Pentium MMX I've seen. AMD's K5 and K6 series topped out at 500; they're all i586-class procs. AMD's Geode in same series. Cyrix and later VIA C3-series chips go faster, but are still i586-class chips (up to 1GHz or so, maybe faster). 800MHz embedded C3's have been very popular in the embedded space. And this class of chip is what many people would like to run C5 and C6 (and they are beefy enough to run text mode for either of these, really, since they would mostly be used as network devices with no local GUI). really, we should have compiler targets for optimizing on the P4 'netburst' CPUs and another for the core processors as they are all pipelined differently. Very very true. Netburst is very different from Pentium M and Core architectures. as it turns out, however, the core 2 and core I3/5/7 do pretty well with pentium-II and -III style optimization strategies, as well as, of course, the x86_64 support. Has to do with Core being descended from Pentium M architecture, which is essentially souped-up Pentium III. The history of Pentium M is a fascinating study. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
I have my main machine running Centos 5.6, and it has a HP Deskjet 810c printer physically attached to it. CUPSD broadcasts in on my LAN as the default printer. I can print to the default HP printer over the LAN, from a laptop running Centos 5.6. However, I do have problems trying to print to this same printer over the LAN, from a laptop running M$ Vista. Has anyone been able to print from a machine running M$ Windoze Vista to their CUPS LAN printer running on Centos 5.x please. All I need to know is yes, this works, or no it's not possible. The other alternavie and easiest way is for me to buy a USB printer cable, and just connect directly from the Vista laptop to the HP printer using that. Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 15:00 +0100, Always Learning wrote: In the example I mentioned, it was a specially created single purpose email SMTP address (no POP etc.) used just once about 5? months ago. It is easy for me to block it as the mail server (MTA Mail Transfer Agent) which I have done. An address can get snagged once after a single use and spammed months later. Creating a plethora of special use email accounts is, in my opinion, simply too much effort when the original design of email was to create a public address that anyone can contact the owner through. We are no so liberal with mailboxes. Some can be accessed only by prior approved senders. Others, because they are single purpose email addresses, can be permanently blocked after the first unwanted email. Some email addresses are created with sub-domains that can be dropped at the first abuse then replaced by new sub-domains. Getting too creative with email protections reduces the primary functionality it was invented to provide. The difference between deposit/fetch and send/receive is profound. This is part of why I'm surprised that newsreaders and forums have fallen from favor amongst technical discussion groups. The Logging into forums is a PITA or setting up another client is a PITA arguments obviously won the debate -- though I think spam is a lot deeper into PITA territory than either at the present time. The problems with forums are, in my personal opinion:- (1) Spyware : logging every access with Google the USA's international spying operation. Mailing lists do not avoid this (if they do, please explain how), particularly now that Google has people using its own parallel DNS service (!o!) and runs infrastructure that most of these tech mailing lists touch at some point. At this point I doubt that there is a message sent that doesn't touch or at least bounce toward a Google-owned server somewhere. (2) Advertisements On a bad forum, yes. On good ones, no. The advertising thing is ridiculous and a symptom of our community not realizing how easy it is to self-host forums for free (or newsgroups -- but more on that later). (3) tiny text difficult to read On bad forums, maybe. I haven't been to a site I found difficult to read, come to think of it, but I'm sure there are some administrators out there who don't understand the concepts of usability. Anyway, you can generally control your mail display settings and forums would present a potentially mixed bag unless the community settled on a rough standard, so I can see your point here. (4) Pop-up windows On unbearably crap forums, maybe. I've never experienced this (Firefox always saved me or there just were never pop ups? No idea), but if any official project decided to use forums as a primary communication means and put not just ads, but *pop-up ads* on their site -- wow... (5) Layout not conducive to easy and quick reading. The free-form layout of mailing lists (top/bottom/mid posting all mishmashed) is far less conducive to organized eye movements, in my experience. Obviously, you and I may have adapted differently, though I find neither difficult. (6) Having to visit a web site and then log-on if one wants to respond. I keychain the logins (I think most browsers have a function like this now -- I think even elinks does, and elinks is a great way to browse forums, btw) and don't worry too much with it after that. I find this to be a *lot* less trouble than twisting my email setup into something email was never intended to be. Conversely:- Email Lists are quick, easy, immediate (certainly for my set-up), require no extra effort. Should the address get spammed, then its one quick and simple change:- (a) replacement DNS sub-domain (b) update Mailman (c) change email address in email client. Again, far too much trouble. So... what is wrong with newsreaders? In my experience the provide all the benefits of email (speed, uniform interface, etc.) that you listed as well as all the benefits of a post/fetch paradigm that I get from forums without any of the hassles of either. That we aren't communicating through a newsgroup has always been puzzling to me for the exact reasons that you and I both listed. If we were to design a new protocol to solve both problems it would likely turn out to be very like newsgroups -- yet we don't use them and they exist and are easy to set up. Anyway, interesting response. Cheers. -Iwao ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 22:17 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: On Monday, July 18, 2011 09:19 PM, Stephen Harris wrote: SPAM-L is that way == oh wait, it's dead... Maybe we can keep discussions about blackhat, incompetent networks, about SMTP, open proxies/relays, honeypots and what have you off this list? Just limit it to sendmail/postfix/exim configuration if you have to discuss these things but please leave everything else outside in NANAE/your favourite spitting pot. You wouldn't be insinuating that [CentOS] SPAM on the list has become SPAM on the list now, would you? -Iwao ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
Keith Roberts wrote: I have my main machine running Centos 5.6, and it has a HP Deskjet 810c printer physically attached to it. CUPSD broadcasts in on my LAN as the default printer. I can print to the default HP printer over the LAN, from a laptop running Centos 5.6. However, I do have problems trying to print to this same printer over the LAN, from a laptop running M$ Vista. Has anyone been able to print from a machine running M$ Windoze Vista to their CUPS LAN printer running on Centos 5.x please. All I need to know is yes, this works, or no it's not possible. snip Dunno 'bout 5.6, but 5.4, 5.5, sure. We had people doing that. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
Keith Roberts wrote: I have my main machine running Centos 5.6, and it has a HP Deskjet 810c printer physically attached to it. CUPSD broadcasts in on my LAN as the default printer. I can print to the default HP printer over the LAN, from a laptop running Centos 5.6. However, I do have problems trying to print to this same printer over the LAN, from a laptop running M$ Vista. What does this mean? My car wont run, what should I do to make it run??? Can you provide a lot more info? I think Windows still needs driver for that printer. When you add network printer from another Windows driver is installed automatically. Do you have Vista driver installed for that printer? Do you see the printer at all -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from CentOS 5.4 to 5.6
Les Mikesell wrote: On 7/18/2011 9:08 AM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: Hi all, So, how can I get it my CentOS from 5.6 to 6.0? Backup data Clean install Restore data. You left out the hard part which is ensuring that 'data' does not conflict with any new files from the 6.x install, which anything under /etc or /var most likely will, and then making sure that the parts of 'data' that you need from those conflicting files are added back in a compatible way, which will generally be non-trivial. Less, are you talking about user data (meant by Brian) or about config data of the system? -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] cent0s-6 and virtualbox
James Hogarth wrote: Indication was when they supported (or just forced, cant remember witch) Virtualization only on x86_64 on RHEL/CentOS 5.x. They only support KVM as a host technology for virtualization now. KVM requires the CPU virtualization extensions to function. The functions are only available on the CPU when in 64bit (long) mode. There are sound technical reasons for this and it wasn't just them being stubborn to drop an architecture. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos I had (and still do) rpm packages (kvm-84-1.i386) for KVM on 32-bit platform, made by L. Farkas. I used it successfully up to 5.4 (I think) when I reinstalled my server and used x86_64 version. Maybe those requirements are of the newer date? -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 00:27 +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote: (1) Spyware : logging every access with Google the USA's international spying operation. Mailing lists do not avoid this (if they do, please explain how), particularly now that Google has people using its own parallel DNS service (!o!) and runs infrastructure that most of these tech mailing lists touch at some point. At this point I doubt that there is a message sent that doesn't touch or at least bounce toward a Google-owned server somewhere. Not the message contents but the IP address, browser details of the user reading the forum. All added to the user's IP record at Google Monitoring. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] About I386 not fitting on one DVD
Lamar Owen wrote: On Sunday, July 17, 2011 01:31:51 AM John R Pierce wrote: Super minor correction: 486SX's at 16 and 20 MHz were available. And I think a 120MHz variation of 486DX4. And then there was AMD's 5x86 at 133MHz. We have a few embedded boards running controllers that are still running 5x86's at 133MHz; about the same speed as a Pentium 75. Actually, 120MHz was AMD's baby and they achieved it with overclocking Bus from 33MHz to 40MHz (VLB only?). -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On 7/18/2011 10:27 AM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: (6) Having to visit a web site and then log-on if one wants to respond. I keychain the logins (I think most browsers have a function like this now -- I think even elinks does, and elinks is a great way to browse forums, btw) and don't worry too much with it after that. So do you typically provide helpful answers to forum questions sooner after they are posted when you have to forum-hop than you would if they land in your inbox or later? I find this to be a *lot* less trouble than twisting my email setup into something email was never intended to be. Email wasn't intended for receiving messages and replying? Hmmm... So... what is wrong with newsreaders? In my experience the provide all the benefits of email (speed, uniform interface, etc.) that you listed as well as all the benefits of a post/fetch paradigm that I get from forums without any of the hassles of either. Interesting that you bring this up in the context of spam. The problem with net news is that all of the servers stopped handling it because of the porn and copyright-infringing binaries postings that overwhelm it. That we aren't communicating through a newsgroup has always been puzzling to me for the exact reasons that you and I both listed. If we were to design a new protocol to solve both problems it would likely turn out to be very like newsgroups -- yet we don't use them and they exist and are easy to set up. A news service with censorship might be OK. Until they censor something that you wanted to say or see. Forums with rss feeds might be a middle ground to centralize the reading side but there's still the issue of standardizing the forum interfaces so you don't have to figure out how to reply again for every interesting topic. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: m.r...@5-cent.us Subject: Re: [CentOS] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista) Keith Roberts wrote: I have my main machine running Centos 5.6, and it has a HP Deskjet 810c printer physically attached to it. CUPSD broadcasts in on my LAN as the default printer. I can print to the default HP printer over the LAN, from a laptop running Centos 5.6. However, I do have problems trying to print to this same printer over the LAN, from a laptop running M$ Vista. Has anyone been able to print from a machine running M$ Windoze Vista to their CUPS LAN printer running on Centos 5.x please. All I need to know is yes, this works, or no it's not possible. snip Dunno 'bout 5.6, but 5.4, 5.5, sure. We had people doing that. Thanks Mark - that's all I need to know. If it works for 5.4/5 there's not reason for it not to work on 5.6 Now I know it's possible to do, I will spend time on reading the documentation and seeking a solution myself. I'm not looking to be spoon fed three times daily - LOL! - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs Subject: Re: [CentOS] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista) Keith Roberts wrote: I have my main machine running Centos 5.6, and it has a HP Deskjet 810c printer physically attached to it. CUPSD broadcasts in on my LAN as the default printer. I can print to the default HP printer over the LAN, from a laptop running Centos 5.6. However, I do have problems trying to print to this same printer over the LAN, from a laptop running M$ Vista. What does this mean? My car wont run, what should I do to make it run??? Can you provide a lot more info? Hi Ljubomir. Thankyou for your reply. Yes I can provide more info - like Wireshark screenshots and error messages. But all I need to know now is this possible or not? Which Mark has told me it is. So I'm not actually asking anyone on the list to solve it for me. Now I know it's possible, I won't be wasting my time by seeking a solution to resolve this problem myself. Kind Regards, Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! after installation of Driver Diskette for enabling Onboard RAID Controller Chipset
Kaushal Shriyan wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Kaushal Shriyan kaushalshri...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:47 AM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: Configure the BIOS for AHCI native SATA, and use linux native raid. See http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/SoftwareRAIDonCentOS5?highlight=%28RAID%29 Hi Again, I did some changes, i just created two partitions / and swap using the Anaconda Installer, it worked fine after loading boot loader GRUB and then after it stopped at Kernel Panic. device—mapper: dm—raid15: initialized v0.25941 Waiting for driver initialization Scanning and configuring dnraid supported devices Trying to resume from (LABEL=SWAP-sda2) Unable to access resume device (L‘*wmVgW_¢;1iZ) Creating root device. Hounting root filesystem. EXT3—fs error (device sdc1) : ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 296 not in group (block 231211688)! EXT3~fs1 group descriptors corrupted! mount: error mounting /dev/root on /sysroot as ext3: Invalid argument Setting up other filesystems. Setting up new root fs setuproot: moving /dev failed: No such file or directory no fstab.sys, mounting internal defaults setuproot: error mounting /proc: No such file or directory setuproot: error mounting /sys: No such file or directory Suitching to new root and running init. unmounting old /dev unmounting old /proc unmounting old /sys suitchrootr mount failed: No such file or directory Kernel panic — not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Please suggest further. is there a way to create customized initrd for this default kernel available on CentOS 5.6 Thanks and Regards, Kaushal Hi Again, I have read this on the forums and it explained as below. Probably need to get that module into your initrd. The computer, upon booting, loads a kernel image and an initial ramdisk. the latter is a compressed filesystem image that the bootloader just maps into memory, and it holds a number of kernel modules and helper programs for the kernel you are booting. if it does not contain the kernel module that's driving your RAID controller, the kernel won't ever be able to recognize your disk array, because it lacks the proper driver for it that's why the initrd's helper programs are panicking - they are trying to mount a crucial filesystem from a device which just isn't there it cannot continue, and bails with a big, fat error Somehow need to include the driver you loaded from the USB thumb drive during installation during booting your system (most probably from within the initrd) . probably need to get that module into the initrd. Please guide/suggest further. You were suggested to use SOFTWARE LINUX RAID = mdraid, not to attempt to install driver for your RAID. 1. Have you set your RAID controller to AHCI mode? 2. Have you created Software RAID partitions and then created EXT4 partitions on top of the Software RAID (mdraid)? -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Burning DVDs
From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs Udo Siewert wrote: A shot in the dark: my DVD image burned by K3B won't also boot. Using Brasero and all was fine. Not reproducable, but worth the attempt. All 3 DVD-s (2 x x86_64 + i386) are burned on K3B 0.12.17 on CentOS 5.6. x86_64 is tested and works. i386 not yet tested but it passed K3B verification. Here, latest k3b on 5.6 did not like my DVD-Rs for some reason... could not even start burning. I used the 'CD/DVD Creator' and it worked. Only difference I could think of is that the slowest in k3b was 1x, while it was 0.4x in 'CD/DVD Creator'... JD ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 10:54 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: On 7/18/2011 10:27 AM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: (6) Having to visit a web site and then log-on if one wants to respond. I keychain the logins (I think most browsers have a function like this now -- I think even elinks does, and elinks is a great way to browse forums, btw) and don't worry too much with it after that. So do you typically provide helpful answers to forum questions sooner after they are posted when you have to forum-hop than you would if they land in your inbox or later? Obviously some level of activity must be maintained within a community to ensure decent response times, but newer communities such as Ubuntu have found forums to be a fairly useful thing. The forum community there is doing well and questions get answered at a reasonable pace -- with the added benefit that when someone goes on vacation they have no box that needs filtering, unsubscribing, setting in a vacation state, etc. to protect from lists or spam. Outside of the tech world forums have proven themselves durable and usable for help and feedback purposes -- overwhelmingly so. I find this to be a *lot* less trouble than twisting my email setup into something email was never intended to be. Email wasn't intended for receiving messages and replying? Hmmm... It was designed precisely to do those things. What was described by the previous poster was time consuming contrivances with the specific intent of limiting the receipt of messages -- which is exactly half of the specification as you stated it. So... what is wrong with newsreaders? In my experience the provide all the benefits of email (speed, uniform interface, etc.) that you listed as well as all the benefits of a post/fetch paradigm that I get from forums without any of the hassles of either. Interesting that you bring this up in the context of spam. The problem with net news is that all of the servers stopped handling it because of the porn and copyright-infringing binaries postings that overwhelm it. Newsreaders require a news server. News servers can be run by anyone, it doesn't require a global cabal to serve news. In the later days of usenet it was overwhelmed by crap, largely because of the enormous number of groups created by people who didn't have time to maintain them, had a blanket anonymous publish policy, and eventually never showed back up to take care of their lists. Lists such as that got swamped, and so did the servers, which made the whole system unweidly (though news server networks are still run today and moderation via user validation is still an option). What I am describing is the running of a newsgroup server specific to a project or interest, say news.centos.org (or whatever for whatever). Initial validation would be required (not unusual for mailing lists) for initial posting, and after that unmoderated publication would be permitted by a validated user. This is a simple system. Disabling attachments and/or setting file/message size limits is trivial and is an action which occurs in just one place (the server) and doesn't bother the users. From an anti-spam/security perspective a post/fetch system is simply more suitable for noise-free discourse than email. That we have forgotten that is likely more due to the timing of the web explosion in the early 90's and the tech/generation gap it produced than anything else. A news service with censorship might be OK. Until they censor something that you wanted to say or see. Forums with rss feeds might be a middle ground to centralize the reading side but there's still the issue of standardizing the forum interfaces so you don't have to figure out how to reply again for every interesting topic. You have just described properly run newsgroups -- and why I am suggesting them as a reasonable course of action which would resolve spam issues not just within list, but limit everyone's exposure to spam in their general mail boxes. -Iwao ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Upgrade from CentOS 5.4 to 5.6
On 7/18/2011 10:37 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: So, how can I get it my CentOS from 5.6 to 6.0? Backup data Clean install Restore data. You left out the hard part which is ensuring that 'data' does not conflict with any new files from the 6.x install, which anything under /etc or /var most likely will, and then making sure that the parts of 'data' that you need from those conflicting files are added back in a compatible way, which will generally be non-trivial. Less, are you talking about user data (meant by Brian) or about config data of the system? The system isn't going to work the way you expect until you do both, so I guess the answer is 'yes'. You can sort-of generalize about how to handle your config data under /etc and all of the application dot-files in home directories, and your databases and applications with data under /var, but there are a lot of special cases. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] EL6, xinetd, and permissions. What am I missing?
Staging for a rollout of EL 6, and ran into a very strange permissions issue
with xinetd that defies all (my) logic.
It's a script called spfiled that we use for messaging between our server
cluster servers. I'm trying to get it to run with least permissions
necessary. Because it reads/writes files in conjunction with a web-based
service, it runs as user apache.
Here's my xinet.d/spfiled.conf: (this is in dev, each developer has his own
number)
spfiled.conf ##
service spfiled461
{
socket_type = stream
wait= no
user= apache
group = apache
server = /path/to/filed.php
protocol= tcp
disable = no
bind= 192.168.3.2
port= 12461
banner_fail = /path/to/banner_fail.txt
cps = 1 0
max_load= 10.0
}
spfiled.conf ##
Here's the permissions of the script:
# ls -laFd /path/to/filed.php
-rwxr-xr-- 1 bens apache 18042 Jan 7 2011 filed.php
When I restart xinetd, I see in system log:
/var/log/messages ##
Jul 18 16:32:25 bender xinetd[17830]: Server /path/to/filed.php is not
executable [file=/etc/xinetd.d/spfiled461] [line=11]
Jul 18 16:32:25 bender xinetd[17830]: Error parsing attribute server -
DISABLING SERVICE [file=/etc/xinetd.d/spfiled461] [line=11]
I've turned off SELinux completely.
# setenforce 0;
Strangely, setting permissions to o+x and it starts up fine, but I don't want
to leave permissions that open.
What am I missing?
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Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
--On Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:37:53 PM -0400 Stephen Harris li...@spuddy.org wrote: RFC2821 says: - The domain name given in the EHLO command MUST BE either a primary host name (a domain name that resolves to an A RR) or, if the host has no name, an address literal as described in section 4.1.1.1. So, pretty much, HELO or EHLO greeting _must_ match to an IP. (RFC821 actually wanted the HELO to match the connecting host, but 2821 just says it must be an A record or an address literal). Thank you for posting that. Despite the garden path we got down, my previous comments didn't say that you had to accept *anything*, but merely that too stringent of a check would eliminate some valid mailers. There's nothing like stirring a can of worms :) Devin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On Monday, July 18, 2011 11:29 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 22:17 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: On Monday, July 18, 2011 09:19 PM, Stephen Harris wrote: SPAM-L is that way == oh wait, it's dead... Maybe we can keep discussions about blackhat, incompetent networks, about SMTP, open proxies/relays, honeypots and what have you off this list? Just limit it to sendmail/postfix/exim configuration if you have to discuss these things but please leave everything else outside in NANAE/your favourite spitting pot. You wouldn't be insinuating that [CentOS] SPAM on the list has become SPAM on the list now, would you? Kinda hard...I mean, SPAM is edible you know and I don't remember being able to transport SPAM over email. But it has become offtopic and is no longer relevant to Centos. We don't need another SPAM-L/NANAE/whatever ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On 7/18/2011 11:25 AM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: So do you typically provide helpful answers to forum questions sooner after they are posted when you have to forum-hop than you would if they land in your inbox or later? Obviously some level of activity must be maintained within a community to ensure decent response times, but newer communities such as Ubuntu have found forums to be a fairly useful thing. The forum community there is doing well and questions get answered at a reasonable pace -- with the added benefit that when someone goes on vacation they have no box that needs filtering, unsubscribing, setting in a vacation state, etc. to protect from lists or spam. Outside of the tech world forums have proven themselves durable and usable for help and feedback purposes -- overwhelmingly so. I don't think Ubuntu is a reasonable project example unless you can come up with a way to match it's resources, which I believe include paid participants. Who is going to hover over a forum waiting to answer questions otherwise? So... what is wrong with newsreaders? In my experience the provide all the benefits of email (speed, uniform interface, etc.) that you listed as well as all the benefits of a post/fetch paradigm that I get from forums without any of the hassles of either. Interesting that you bring this up in the context of spam. The problem with net news is that all of the servers stopped handling it because of the porn and copyright-infringing binaries postings that overwhelm it. Newsreaders require a news server. News servers can be run by anyone, it doesn't require a global cabal to serve news. In the later days of usenet it was overwhelmed by crap, largely because of the enormous number of groups created by people who didn't have time to maintain them, had a blanket anonymous publish policy, and eventually never showed back up to take care of their lists. You make it sound accidental. That's not the way I remember it. What I am describing is the running of a newsgroup server specific to a project or interest, say news.centos.org (or whatever for whatever). Initial validation would be required (not unusual for mailing lists) for initial posting, and after that unmoderated publication would be permitted by a validated user. This is a simple system. Disabling attachments and/or setting file/message size limits is trivial and is an action which occurs in just one place (the server) and doesn't bother the users. So if you have 100 interests, you'd have to establish and maintain 100 logins and passwords - and configure them on every device/application you use for access. That's not my idea of convenience. From an anti-spam/security perspective a post/fetch system is simply more suitable for noise-free discourse than email. I just don't see the distinction other than having more possibility of after-the-fact cleanup before delivery - and then only if someone goes to the trouble of doing it and you are slow in your fetching. That we have forgotten that is likely more due to the timing of the web explosion in the early 90's and the tech/generation gap it produced than anything else. Ummm, no. There was always a lot more crap posted to usenet than there is here. Maybe you've forgotten that. A news service with censorship might be OK. Until they censor something that you wanted to say or see. Forums with rss feeds might be a middle ground to centralize the reading side but there's still the issue of standardizing the forum interfaces so you don't have to figure out how to reply again for every interesting topic. You have just described properly run newsgroups -- and why I am suggesting them as a reasonable course of action which would resolve spam issues not just within list, but limit everyone's exposure to spam in their general mail boxes. The protocol for the transfer doesn't really matter here. What you propose isn't particularly different than setting up local email service with accounts for all users for every list. That is, it would be equally inconvenient and not solve any of the underlying problems. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] EL6, xinetd, and permissions. What am I missing?
2011/7/18 Benjamin Smith li...@benjamindsmith.com:
Staging for a rollout of EL 6, and ran into a very strange permissions issue
with xinetd that defies all (my) logic.
It's a script called spfiled that we use for messaging between our server
cluster servers. I'm trying to get it to run with least permissions
necessary. Because it reads/writes files in conjunction with a web-based
service, it runs as user apache.
Here's my xinet.d/spfiled.conf: (this is in dev, each developer has his own
number)
spfiled.conf ##
service spfiled461
{
socket_type = stream
wait = no
user = apache
group = apache
server = /path/to/filed.php
protocol = tcp
disable = no
bind = 192.168.3.2
port = 12461
banner_fail = /path/to/banner_fail.txt
cps = 1 0
max_load = 10.0
}
spfiled.conf ##
Here's the permissions of the script:
# ls -laFd /path/to/filed.php
-rwxr-xr-- 1 bens apache 18042 Jan 7 2011 filed.php
When I restart xinetd, I see in system log:
/var/log/messages ##
Jul 18 16:32:25 bender xinetd[17830]: Server /path/to/filed.php is not
executable [file=/etc/xinetd.d/spfiled461] [line=11]
Jul 18 16:32:25 bender xinetd[17830]: Error parsing attribute server -
DISABLING SERVICE [file=/etc/xinetd.d/spfiled461] [line=11]
I've turned off SELinux completely.
# setenforce 0;
Strangely, setting permissions to o+x and it starts up fine, but I don't
want to leave permissions that open.
rx to owner is enought
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Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
å¤ç¥ å²©ç· wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 10:54 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: On 7/18/2011 10:27 AM, å¤ç¥ å²©ç· wrote: snip So... what is wrong with newsreaders? In my experience the provide all the benefits of email (speed, uniform interface, etc.) that you listed as well as all the benefits of a post/fetch paradigm that I get from forums without any of the hassles of either. Interesting that you bring this up in the context of spam. The problem with net news is that all of the servers stopped handling it because of the porn and copyright-infringing binaries postings that overwhelm it. Newsreaders require a news server. News servers can be run by anyone, it doesn't require a global cabal to serve news. In the later days of usenet it was overwhelmed by crap, largely because of the enormous number of groups created by people who didn't have time to maintain them, had a blanket anonymous publish policy, and eventually never showed back up to take care of their lists. Lists such as that got swamped, and so did the servers, which made the whole system unweidly (though news server networks are still run today and moderation via user validation is still an option). The beginning of its downhill slide, IMO, was when AOL got on. I remember that happening: AOL auto-subscribed *all* its users to certain newsgroups, and for some utterly clueless reason, that included alt.best.of.internet. I occasionally dipped into that group, and the flamewars started then, with idiots announcing that they could post anything they wanted, anywhere they wanted. That, and the Green Card Spam, where KS proclaimed that there was no such thing as community, that it was all the wild west. What I am describing is the running of a newsgroup server specific to a project or interest, say news.centos.org (or whatever for whatever). A big eight newsgroup, moderated, is what this sounds like. Let me note that if you want, I can point you to a quite good robomoderator: it approves regular posters, checks new for on-topic, and if it can't make up its mind, forwards it to designated human moderators. snip mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] EL6, xinetd, and permissions. What am I missing?
Benjamin Smith wrote: Staging for a rollout of EL 6, and ran into a very strange permissions issue with xinetd that defies all (my) logic. snip You're not using access controls lists, are you? And if this is accessed via httpd, is the php directory visible in the apache configuration? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Wireless Interface Does Not Connect Automatically At StartUp
I have recently installed CentOS 6 on a system with a Realtek 8180L wireless card. The wireless card is detected properly and uses the rtl8180 driver. But it connects to our wireless network only after logging to the Desktop Environment (GNOME) and using the Network Manager Applet. In order to make the wireless card connect to the network automatically at system start up, I edited the Connection using the Network Manager Applet and checked Connect Automatically and Available to all users options. However, while booting the system, the following error message is displayed when the wireless network interface is brought up. Device does not seem to be present, delaying initialization But as soon as a user logs on to the Desktop, he can connect to the network using the NM Applet. I have also toggled between using DHCP and Static IP Address for the the wireless card but it makes no difference. The SSID is not being broadcast and the Wireless Access Point / Router uses WPA-PSK. TIA, -- Manish Kathuria ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Wireless Interface Does Not Connect Automatically At StartUp
Hi Manish; I've never tried NM during boot. (Personally, I dislike NM at all.) You might find a system similar to this to be more of your liking: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/WpaSupplicant I use this in place of my CentOS 6 backup server, which has an rt2500pci card in it--which, by the way, is a horrible shoddy card that I do not recommend. It doesn't play nice with Netgear APs. But I digress. CentOS 6 appears to have made some changes to the above document. What I've discovered is: 1. You don't need to edit ifup-wireless. 2. You don't need to edit ifconfig-* (although one should be created--I can post mine if it'll help you.) 3. All you need in /etc/rc.local is an 'ifup wlan0' line. 4. You DO need to edit /etc/sysconfig/wpa_supplicant and add the interface of your wireless card to the options there (example: -iwlan0). 5. wpa_supplicant should be ENABLED on boot. I also found out that I actually have editing rights on that page, so I'll post my experiences in the next day or so. I hope this helps. Cheers, Cody Jackson On 7/18/11, Manish Kathuria mkathu...@tuxtechnologies.co.in wrote: I have recently installed CentOS 6 on a system with a Realtek 8180L wireless card. The wireless card is detected properly and uses the rtl8180 driver. But it connects to our wireless network only after logging to the Desktop Environment (GNOME) and using the Network Manager Applet. In order to make the wireless card connect to the network automatically at system start up, I edited the Connection using the Network Manager Applet and checked Connect Automatically and Available to all users options. However, while booting the system, the following error message is displayed when the wireless network interface is brought up. Device does not seem to be present, delaying initialization But as soon as a user logs on to the Desktop, he can connect to the network using the NM Applet. I have also toggled between using DHCP and Static IP Address for the the wireless card but it makes no difference. The SSID is not being broadcast and the Wireless Access Point / Router uses WPA-PSK. TIA, -- Manish Kathuria ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Spamhaus with Zimbra Mail on CentOS
I realize this is slightly off topic, but I've noticed recently that I've been unable to preform RBL lookups using the the zen and sbl spamhaus RBL lists. Currently using Zimbra Collaboration Suite using CentOS 5 I'm seeing logs showing the following output. [root@phantom ~]# cat /var/log/zimbra.log | grep spamhaus Jul 18 13:07:12 phantom postfix/smtpd[27001]: warning: 107.178.203.192.zen.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=107.178.203.192.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again Jul 18 13:07:19 phantom postfix/smtpd[27001]: warning: 22.178.203.192.zen.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=22.178.203.192.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again Jul 18 13:09:11 phantom postfix/smtpd[28886]: warning: 107.178.203.192.zen.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=107.178.203.192.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again Jul 18 13:09:16 phantom postfix/smtpd[28886]: warning: 22.178.203.192.zen.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=22.178.203.192.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again Jul 18 13:15:52 phantom postfix/smtpd[32148]: warning: 202.200.26.72.zen.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=202.200.26.72.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again Jul 18 13:18:25 phantom postfix/smtpd[1093]: warning: 26.93.98.14.zen.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=26.93.98.14.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again Jul 18 13:19:29 phantom postfix/smtpd[1093]: warning: 202.200.26.72.zen.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=202.200.26.72.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again Jul 18 13:25:51 phantom postfix/smtpd[4399]: warning: 202.200.26.72.zen.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=202.200.26.72.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again After doing some reading I've tried a number of DNS servers ( thinking the issue may have been DNS poisoning ) all of which appear to be unable to preform dig lookups the spamhaus hosts. Is anyone else seeing similar results? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Centos EL6 install issue
I am trying to install on a kvm virtual machine (host is C5). At some point it stops with install error about cyrus-sasl. I goto the /root/install.log in I have a number of errors about: Installing libstdc++ warning %post scriplet failed. exit status 127 Install zlib warning %post scriptlet failed. exit status 127 Install libxml2 warning %post scriplet failed. exit status 127 this continues for a number of packages. then the last one is : Installing cyrus-sasl error %pre scriptlet failed. exit status 127 Any thoughts on this? df -h shows my partition only 9% in use for where I'm installing. no errors in dmesg. Thanks, Jerry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Spamhaus with Zimbra Mail on CentOS
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Alex Marz a...@marz.ca wrote: I realize this is slightly off topic, but I've noticed recently that I've been unable to preform RBL lookups using the the zen and sbl spamhaus RBL lists. Currently using Zimbra Collaboration Suite using CentOS 5 I'm seeing logs showing the following output. [root@phantom ~]# cat /var/log/zimbra.log | grep spamhaus Jul 18 13:07:12 phantom postfix/smtpd[27001]: warning: 107.178.203.192.zen.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=107.178.203.192.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again Works for me (I'm running Bind locally to resolve names), though 1.ns.spamhaus.org times out. I'd suggest flushing the cache or change the resolver/try with a different resolver. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Spamhaus with Zimbra Mail on CentOS
Am 18.07.2011 19:43, schrieb Alex Marz: Jul 18 13:25:51 phantom postfix/smtpd[4399]: warning: 202.200.26.72.zen.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=202.200.26.72.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again After doing some reading I've tried a number of DNS servers ( thinking the issue may have been DNS poisoning ) all of which appear to be unable to preform dig lookups the spamhaus hosts. Is anyone else seeing similar results? If you query the spamhaus servers too often, you will be banned. You have to pay (a considerable amount of money, last time we looked). Other than that, better ask on the Zimbra forum... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos EL6 install issue
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jerry Geis ge...@pagestation.com wrote: I am trying to install on a kvm virtual machine (host is C5). At some point it stops with install error about cyrus-sasl. I goto the /root/install.log in I have a number of errors about: Installing libstdc++ warning %post scriplet failed. exit status 127 Install zlib warning %post scriptlet failed. exit status 127 Install libxml2 warning %post scriplet failed. exit status 127 this continues for a number of packages. then the last one is : Installing cyrus-sasl error %pre scriptlet failed. exit status 127 Any thoughts on this? df -h shows my partition only 9% in use for where I'm installing. no errors in dmesg. Thanks, Jerry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos How are you installing? CD, netinstall ? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos EL6 install issue
How are you installing? CD, netinstall ? I am using the KVM virtual machine. I then use the CDROM to get the boot process running at the first screen I hit tab and add to the line: ks=http://IP/ks.cfg My kickstart file My file is: #platform=x86, AMD64, or Intel EM64T # System authorization information auth --useshadow --enablemd5 # System bootloader configuration bootloader --location=mbr # Clear the Master Boot Record zerombr # Partition clearing information clearpart --none # Use text install text # Firewall configuration firewall --enabled --http --ssh --smtp # Run the Setup Agent on first boot firstboot --disable # System keyboard keyboard us # System language lang en_US # Installation logging level logging --level=info # Use network installation url --url=http://IPofCourse/pxe-install/CentOS-6.0-x86_64 # Network information network --bootproto=dhcp --device=eth0 --onboot=on # Auto reboot (to being next install faze) reboot #Root password rootpw mnkickstart %include /tmp/partition-information %include /tmp/timezone-information repo --name=Updates --baseurl=http://IPofCourse/centos/6.0/updates/x86_64/ # SELinux configuration selinux --disabled # Install OS instead of upgrade install # X Window System configuration information graphical %pre HD1=/dev/sda HD1SHORT=sda # Virtual Image testing files ROOTSIZE=8000 SWAPSIZE=1000 SWAPGROW= HOMEGROW= ##Â Save partitioning information into file so include section can grab it. echo bootloader --location=mbr --driveorder=$HD1SHORT --append=\rhgb quiet\ /tmp/partition-information echo clearpart --all --initlabel /tmp/partition-information echo part / --ondisk=$HD1SHORT --fstype ext4 --size=$ROOTSIZE --asprimary /tmp/partition-information echo part swap --ondisk=$HD1SHORT --size=$SWAPSIZE --asprimary $SWAPGROW/tmp/partition-information if [ $HOMEGROW = --grow ] then echo part /home --ondisk=$HD1SHORT --fstype ext4 --size=1 --asprimary $HOMEGROW/tmp/partition-information fi %end %packages @additional-devel @base @compat-libraries @debugging @desktop-platform @development @fonts @general-desktop @graphical-admin-tools @internet-browser @mail-server @network-tools @office-suite @security-tools @server-platform @web-server @x11 gconf-editor hmaccalc iptstate system-config-kickstart vim-X11 -httpd-manual -mod_perl -mod_wsgi sendmail sendmail-cf imake -sysreport ncurses-devel compat-openldap openldap-clients vnc tftp tftp-server dhcp libxml2 libxml2-devel lsscsi alsa-lib-devel crypto-utils mod_ssl openssl tcl tk libX11 libX11-devel libXext ImageMagick perl-XML-Parser %end Jerry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On 07/18/2011 01:00 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 7/18/2011 11:25 AM, ?? ?? wrote: So do you typically provide helpful answers to forum questions sooner after they are posted when you have to forum-hop than you would if they land in your inbox or later? Obviously some level of activity must be maintained within a community to ensure decent response times, but newer communities such as Ubuntu have found forums to be a fairly useful thing. The forum community there is doing well and questions get answered at a reasonable pace -- with the added benefit that when someone goes on vacation they have no box that needs filtering, unsubscribing, setting in a vacation state, etc. to protect from lists or spam. Outside of the tech world forums have proven themselves durable and usable for help and feedback purposes -- overwhelmingly so. I don't think Ubuntu is a reasonable project example unless you can come up with a way to match it's resources, which I believe include paid participants. Who is going to hover over a forum waiting to answer questions otherwise? So... what is wrong with newsreaders? In my experience the provide all the benefits of email (speed, uniform interface, etc.) that you listed as well as all the benefits of a post/fetch paradigm that I get from forums without any of the hassles of either. Interesting that you bring this up in the context of spam. The problem with net news is that all of the servers stopped handling it because of the porn and copyright-infringing binaries postings that overwhelm it. Newsreaders require a news server. News servers can be run by anyone, it doesn't require a global cabal to serve news. In the later days of usenet it was overwhelmed by crap, largely because of the enormous number of groups created by people who didn't have time to maintain them, had a blanket anonymous publish policy, and eventually never showed back up to take care of their lists. You make it sound accidental. That's not the way I remember it. What I am describing is the running of a newsgroup server specific to a project or interest, say news.centos.org (or whatever for whatever). Initial validation would be required (not unusual for mailing lists) for initial posting, and after that unmoderated publication would be permitted by a validated user. This is a simple system. Disabling attachments and/or setting file/message size limits is trivial and is an action which occurs in just one place (the server) and doesn't bother the users. So if you have 100 interests, you'd have to establish and maintain 100 logins and passwords - and configure them on every device/application you use for access. That's not my idea of convenience. From an anti-spam/security perspective a post/fetch system is simply more suitable for noise-free discourse than email. I just don't see the distinction other than having more possibility of after-the-fact cleanup before delivery - and then only if someone goes to the trouble of doing it and you are slow in your fetching. That we have forgotten that is likely more due to the timing of the web explosion in the early 90's and the tech/generation gap it produced than anything else. Ummm, no. There was always a lot more crap posted to usenet than there is here. Maybe you've forgotten that. A news service with censorship might be OK. Until they censor something that you wanted to say or see. Forums with rss feeds might be a middle ground to centralize the reading side but there's still the issue of standardizing the forum interfaces so you don't have to figure out how to reply again for every interesting topic. You have just described properly run newsgroups -- and why I am suggesting them as a reasonable course of action which would resolve spam issues not just within list, but limit everyone's exposure to spam in their general mail boxes. The protocol for the transfer doesn't really matter here. What you propose isn't particularly different than setting up local email service with accounts for all users for every list. That is, it would be equally inconvenient and not solve any of the underlying problems. Hmm... I am on a number of ML one of which is LKML and I find the amount of spam is miniscule in comparison to the number of messages. Also trying to keep up with all the topics and new threads on any forum I have been on seems much more difficult than on any mailing list. I have thunderbird setup to read mail threaded and if its a thread I am not interested a simple CTL-t marks any new messages as read. My $.02 Regards, Steve -- Stephen Clark *NetWolves* Sr. Software Engineer III Phone: 813-579-3200 Fax: 813-882-0209 Email: steve.cl...@netwolves.com http://www.netwolves.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] SPAM on the List
On 07/18/2011 02:37 PM, Steve Clark wrote: On 07/18/2011 01:00 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 7/18/2011 11:25 AM, ?? ?? wrote: So do you typically provide helpful answers to forum questions sooner after they are posted when you have to forum-hop than you would if they land in your inbox or later? Obviously some level of activity must be maintained within a community to ensure decent response times, but newer communities such as Ubuntu have found forums to be a fairly useful thing. The forum community there is doing well and questions get answered at a reasonable pace -- with the added benefit that when someone goes on vacation they have no box that needs filtering, unsubscribing, setting in a vacation state, etc. to protect from lists or spam. Outside of the tech world forums have proven themselves durable and usable for help and feedback purposes -- overwhelmingly so. I don't think Ubuntu is a reasonable project example unless you can come up with a way to match it's resources, which I believe include paid participants. Who is going to hover over a forum waiting to answer questions otherwise? So... what is wrong with newsreaders? In my experience the provide all the benefits of email (speed, uniform interface, etc.) that you listed as well as all the benefits of a post/fetch paradigm that I get from forums without any of the hassles of either. Interesting that you bring this up in the context of spam. The problem with net news is that all of the servers stopped handling it because of the porn and copyright-infringing binaries postings that overwhelm it. Newsreaders require a news server. News servers can be run by anyone, it doesn't require a global cabal to serve news. In the later days of usenet it was overwhelmed by crap, largely because of the enormous number of groups created by people who didn't have time to maintain them, had a blanket anonymous publish policy, and eventually never showed back up to take care of their lists. You make it sound accidental. That's not the way I remember it. What I am describing is the running of a newsgroup server specific to a project or interest, say news.centos.org (or whatever for whatever). Initial validation would be required (not unusual for mailing lists) for initial posting, and after that unmoderated publication would be permitted by a validated user. This is a simple system. Disabling attachments and/or setting file/message size limits is trivial and is an action which occurs in just one place (the server) and doesn't bother the users. So if you have 100 interests, you'd have to establish and maintain 100 logins and passwords - and configure them on every device/application you use for access. That's not my idea of convenience. From an anti-spam/security perspective a post/fetch system is simply more suitable for noise-free discourse than email. I just don't see the distinction other than having more possibility of after-the-fact cleanup before delivery - and then only if someone goes to the trouble of doing it and you are slow in your fetching. That we have forgotten that is likely more due to the timing of the web explosion in the early 90's and the tech/generation gap it produced than anything else. Ummm, no. There was always a lot more crap posted to usenet than there is here. Maybe you've forgotten that. A news service with censorship might be OK. Until they censor something that you wanted to say or see. Forums with rss feeds might be a middle ground to centralize the reading side but there's still the issue of standardizing the forum interfaces so you don't have to figure out how to reply again for every interesting topic. You have just described properly run newsgroups -- and why I am suggesting them as a reasonable course of action which would resolve spam issues not just within list, but limit everyone's exposure to spam in their general mail boxes. The protocol for the transfer doesn't really matter here. What you propose isn't particularly different than setting up local email service with accounts for all users for every list. That is, it would be equally inconvenient and not solve any of the underlying problems. Hmm... I am on a number of ML one of which is LKML and I find the amount of spam is miniscule in comparison to the number of messages. Also trying to keep up with all the topics and new threads on any forum I have been on seems much more difficult than on any mailing list. I have thunderbird setup to read mail threaded and if its a thread I am not interested a simple CTL-t marks any new messages as read. oops should have been just 't' not ctl-t. -- Stephen Clark *NetWolves* Sr. Software Engineer III Phone: 813-579-3200 Fax: 813-882-0209 Email: steve.cl...@netwolves.com http://www.netwolves.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos EL6 install issue
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Jerry Geis ge...@pagestation.com wrote: How are you installing? CD, netinstall ? I am using the KVM virtual machine. I then use the CDROM to get the boot process running at the first screen I hit tab and add to the line: ks=http://IP/ks.cfg If you use an external repo does the error persist? I suspect your repo(s) may be incomplete or have some inconsistencies. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] system-config-kickstart error Centos 6
I have noticed that if you have a %include in your kickstart file and the include file does not exist (It's created in my %pre section) - - I could not even bring up the kickstart editor. I get an error about the file could not be opened. No reason why and then the editor just exists. I had to keep chopping down my file till I found the offending line. Hope this helps someone else... Jerry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] [SOLVED] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Keith Roberts wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net Subject: Re: [CentOS] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista) On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: m.r...@5-cent.us Subject: Re: [CentOS] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista) Keith Roberts wrote: I have my main machine running Centos 5.6, and it has a HP Deskjet 810c printer physically attached to it. CUPSD broadcasts in on my LAN as the default printer. I can print to the default HP printer over the LAN, from a laptop running Centos 5.6. However, I do have problems trying to print to this same printer over the LAN, from a laptop running M$ Vista. Has anyone been able to print from a machine running M$ Windoze Vista to their CUPS LAN printer running on Centos 5.x please. All I need to know is yes, this works, or no it's not possible. snip Dunno 'bout 5.6, but 5.4, 5.5, sure. We had people doing that. Thanks Mark - that's all I need to know. If it works for 5.4/5 there's not reason for it not to work on 5.6 Now I know it's possible to do, I will spend time on reading the documentation and seeking a solution myself. I'm not looking to be spoon fed three times daily - LOL! OK, thanks again for confirming that Mark. I have it working now fine. Here are the notes I've made for the next time I have to reinstall Windoze Bista. ++ Install Wireshark, and then install the HP Deskjet 810c Inkjet printer driver. (Use the 812c - it's close enough) Notes for setting up CUPS HP Deskjet 810c printer to be able to print across LAN from Vista Home. Install the printer following this guide: http://www.divms.uiowa.edu/help/windows/printers_vista/ Using Wireshark Network Analyser I got the following error under the IPP menu when trying to print a test document: Status-code: client-error-document-format-not-supported Googling for that returned the following forum article: http://mindspill.net/computing/cross-platform-notes/cups-client-error-document-format-not-supported.html Following the above article and making the suggested changes fixed the printing from Vista to Centos 5.6 CUPS problem: The problem Printing fails from Windows, with the following message in /var/log/cups/access_log (on the linux box): Print-Job client-error-document-format-not-supported The solution ? Make sure you've enabled support for Windows PCL drivers. Uncomment application/octet-stream in /etc/cups/mime.types and uncomment application/octet-stream in /etc/cups/mime.convs. I made those changes, actually created a local.types and local.convs file in /etc/cups/ and stopped and restarted the cups server. Restarting the print job under Vista, and the printer responded immediately. The Status-code in Wireshark has now changed to succesful-ok I got a Windows Printer Test Page with details of the printer setup, and Additional files used by this driver. ++ So that's it fixed now. Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos EL6 install issue
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Jerry Geis geisj at pagestation.com http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos wrote: / // How are you installing? CD, netinstall ? // // I am using the KVM virtual machine. // I then use the CDROM to get the boot process running at the first screen // I hit tab and add to the line: // // ks=http://IP/ks.cfg / If you use an external repo does the error persist? I suspect your repo(s) may be incomplete or have some inconsistencies. Lucian Thanks for the suggestion. Yes - apparently something was wrong with my local repo. jerry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
Keith Roberts wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Keith Roberts wrote: From: Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: From: m.r...@5-cent.us Keith Roberts wrote: I have my main machine running Centos 5.6, and it has a HP Deskjet 810c printer physically attached to it. CUPSD broadcasts in on my LAN as the default printer. I can print to the default HP printer over the LAN, from a laptop running Centos 5.6. However, I do have problems trying to print to this same printer over the LAN, from a laptop running M$ Vista. snip So that's it fixed now. Congrats, Keith, and thanks for the well-detailed solution. mark now if I can get my fiancee to at least upgrade to Win7 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos EL6 install issue
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Jerry Geis ge...@pagestation.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Jerry Geis geisj at pagestation.com http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos wrote: / // How are you installing? CD, netinstall ? // // I am using the KVM virtual machine. // I then use the CDROM to get the boot process running at the first screen // I hit tab and add to the line: // // ks=http://IP/ks.cfg / If you use an external repo does the error persist? I suspect your repo(s) may be incomplete or have some inconsistencies. Lucian Thanks for the suggestion. Yes - apparently something was wrong with my local repo. Use rsync to mirror a Centos repo locally, it does some checksumming assuring you get the right thing. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 16:18 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: mark now if I can get my fiancee to at least upgrade to Win7 Surely the best fiancees share our love of, and use of, Centos ;-) -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: *snip* Congrats, Keith, and thanks for the well-detailed solution. mark now if I can get my fiancee to at least upgrade to Win7 YW Mark and list members :) That well-detailed solution is for some time in the future. It's fresh in my mind now, but 3 months from now there's no telling how much I'm gonna remember. So what is your fiancee running ATM - XP or 98? Kind Regards, Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
Keith Roberts wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: *snip* Congrats, Keith, and thanks for the well-detailed solution. mark now if I can get my fiancee to at least upgrade to Win7 YW Mark and list members :) That well-detailed solution is for some time in the future. It's fresh in my mind now, but 3 months from now there's no telling how much I'm gonna remember. So what is your fiancee running ATM - XP or 98? Worse: Vista. Gotta get her to spring for *anything* better (which was worse: Vista, or '98? I assume the bottom of the heap was Lose Me*). mark * As friends told me in the mid-nineties, you don't win with Windows, you lose, so it was Lose95, Lose98, and the *perfectly* named LoseMe PS: she won't be moving in for another year, so when she's over, she'll be on my CentOS system, and I'll see if I can get her comfortable with it ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 22:17 +0100, Keith Roberts wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: mark now if I can get my fiancee to at least upgrade to Win7 So what is your fiancee running ATM - XP or 98? Windoze 3.11 ? I've still have a copy :-) -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Always Learning wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net Subject: Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista) On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 22:17 +0100, Keith Roberts wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: mark now if I can get my fiancee to at least upgrade to Win7 So what is your fiancee running ATM - XP or 98? Windoze 3.11 ? I've still have a copy :-) They were running that at college in 88-90 on AT 286's. And a Vax machine with terminals running BSD Unix IIRC? And I thought Windoze 3.11 was really hot stuff then - doh! I've still got my MS-DOS boot disks that came with my XT 8088 machine. Regards, Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] EL6, xinetd, and permissions. What am I missing?
On Monday, July 18, 2011 10:02:18 AM Eero Volotinen wrote: Strangely, setting permissions to o+x and it starts up fine, but I don't want to leave permissions that open. rx to owner is enought Except the owner of the script is not the effective user running the script. I want to use the x attribute on the group account. For some reason that isn't working. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] EL6, xinetd, and permissions. What am I missing?
On Monday, July 18, 2011 10:20:52 AM m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Staging for a rollout of EL 6, and ran into a very strange permissions issue with xinetd that defies all (my) logic. snip You're not using access controls lists, are you? Not knowingly! And if this is accessed via httpd, is the php directory visible in the apache configuration? The data folders written by the daemon is used interchangeably with the Apache daemon (httpd) but the scripts involved are not part of the apache doc root and are not accessible via httpd. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] CUPS LAN printing problem (from Vista)
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 22:58 +0100, Keith Roberts wrote: And I thought Windoze 3.11 was really hot stuff then - doh! So did I. It was single-tasking but you could turn-off the machine at any stage and it would always restart perfectly well without the slightest problem. Then came Windoze 95, which critics called Apple Mac 1986, followed by Windoze 98 with errors and bugs galore then Windoze 98 second attempt to get it right then followed by M$'s third attempt at a 98 product called Windoze ME. Have DOS 6 somewhere, and M$ / Micro Focus DOS Cobol too, and possibly a copy of DOS 3.3. However Centos (or Linux generally) is certainly a real hands-on operating system offering lots of satisfaction absent from all M$ products. Just wish I had discover the joys of Centos years ago. It really is a computer person's delight. So boring because it just works well and reliably :-) -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] cent0s-6 and virtualbox
On Monday, July 18, 2011 01:52 AM, Michel Donais wrote: The version is CentOS-6.0-i386-bin-DVD.iso With each virtual machine I get this result at the beginning of the installation: This kernel requires the following features not present on the cpu pae Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU I undeerstand that perhaps the computer processor is too old. But is there a patch to overpass this problem? I might have messed up the quoting here, not sure if Michael was the OP, but at any rate, there is this post on SL forums about installing a non-PAE kernel which might be useful. http://scientificlinuxforum.org/index.php?showtopic=621 -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Angel: Buffy, careful with this gift. Lots of things that seem strong and good and powerful, they can be painful. Buffy: Like, say, immortality? Angel: Exactly. I'm dying to get rid of that. Buffy: Funny. Angel: I'm a funny guy. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] cent0s-6 and virtualbox
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On Monday, July 18, 2011 01:52 AM, Michel Donais wrote: The version is CentOS-6.0-i386-bin-DVD.iso With each virtual machine I get this result at the beginning of the installation: This kernel requires the following features not present on the cpu pae Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU I undeerstand that perhaps the computer processor is too old. But is there a patch to overpass this problem? I might have messed up the quoting here, not sure if Michael was the OP, but at any rate, there is this post on SL forums about installing a non-PAE kernel which might be useful. http://scientificlinuxforum.org/index.php?showtopic=621 Or ... keep an eye on this ELRepo bug tracker: http://elrepo.org/bugs/view.php?id=153 kernel-ml for EL6 will have a non-PAE flavo(u)r. It is now cooking. Akemi ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Wireless Interface Does Not Connect Automatically At StartUp
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Cody Jackson supertanke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Manish; I've never tried NM during boot. (Personally, I dislike NM at all.) You might find a system similar to this to be more of your liking: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/WpaSupplicant I use this in place of my CentOS 6 backup server, which has an rt2500pci card in it--which, by the way, is a horrible shoddy card that I do not recommend. It doesn't play nice with Netgear APs. But I digress. CentOS 6 appears to have made some changes to the above document. What I've discovered is: 1. You don't need to edit ifup-wireless. 2. You don't need to edit ifconfig-* (although one should be created--I can post mine if it'll help you.) 3. All you need in /etc/rc.local is an 'ifup wlan0' line. 4. You DO need to edit /etc/sysconfig/wpa_supplicant and add the interface of your wireless card to the options there (example: -iwlan0). 5. wpa_supplicant should be ENABLED on boot. Cheers, Cody Jackson On 7/18/11, Manish Kathuria mkathu...@tuxtechnologies.co.in wrote: I have recently installed CentOS 6 on a system with a Realtek 8180L wireless card. The wireless card is detected properly and uses the rtl8180 driver. But it connects to our wireless network only after logging to the Desktop Environment (GNOME) and using the Network Manager Applet. In order to make the wireless card connect to the network automatically at system start up, I edited the Connection using the Network Manager Applet and checked Connect Automatically and Available to all users options. However, while booting the system, the following error message is displayed when the wireless network interface is brought up. Device does not seem to be present, delaying initialization But as soon as a user logs on to the Desktop, he can connect to the network using the NM Applet. I have also toggled between using DHCP and Static IP Address for the the wireless card but it makes no difference. The SSID is not being broadcast and the Wireless Access Point / Router uses WPA-PSK. -- Manish Kathuria Thanks for the tip. While searching for a solution, I also read about wicd (http://wicd.sourceforge.net/) which can help, but will try wpa_supplicant first since its a part of the distro. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 6 - VM network bridge issue
I built a CentOS 6 machine to host several CentOS 6 guest servers. As all guests will be Internet facing I set up the host with two bridged NICs and assigned an Internet facing IP address to br0 and a local IP address to br1. Each guest was installed using br0 and br1 with virtio drivers. On each I assigned an Internet facing IP address to eth0 and a local IP address on eth1. So far so good. I can access the guest servers from either IP address as expected. That is HTTP, SSH and SMTP servers on them are accessible and do what they are supposed to do. Except... Except from any location outside of my Comcast Cable Modem. To be clear, from any machine inside the modem to any address on the guests, all works perfectly. But outside the modem the guest apps either don't receive packets or for some reason don't respond, and I've tired it from four different locations. Using Wireshark on the guests I can see the packets arrive from the outside sources, but no response is seen. On accesses from inside I can see both incoming and outgoing packets, as expected. I can ping the outside sources from the guests, yet pings from the outside sources get no response from the guests. All the outside sources get responses when pinging the host. I can ping the guests from any inside machine. I've tried it with and without firewalls, both on the guests and the host. Including with the following iptables rule: iptables -A FORWARD -m physdev --physdev-is-bridged -j ACCEPT and the following sysctl adjustments: net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-ip6tables = 0 net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables = 0 net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-arptables = 0 Both of the guest servers I've built have have same issue. Any ideas? I am at loss as to how to proceed and am about to reconsider the idea of multiple guests as servers. All packages are from the CentOS repo and I am using kvm-qemu via libvirtd and virt-manager. Emmett ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
