Re: [CentOS-virt] (no subject)
Hi, On 07/27/2011 01:48 PM, Grant McWilliams wrote: Or ban Indonesia since that's where it's coming from. I can post a comment with anyone's email as the reply to address. Thats a bit silly. If we did something like that, USA would have no email worth talking about given that most spam worldwide originates from there. Also, can you consider usign a better email client ? Something more mailing list friendly would be nice. It would allow you to trim the replies and bottom post. Otoh, I am sure the spammer is quite happy about your further promoting the url they were trying to get attention to. - KB ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
[CentOS-virt] Send magic-sysrq from virtual serial console?
I am using CentOS 5.6 as a KVM host. My guests are running CentOS 5.6 with the only console being a virtual serial console. The guests are configured so magic-sysreq can be used to debug kernel issues. However, in order to send magic-sysrq from a serial port, I need to send a break. How does one send a break on the virtual console serial port provided by KVM/libvirt to guests? Thanks, David ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
[CentOS-virt] Snapshot error command savevm not found
Attempting to take snapshots of VM using virsh with the following command, # virsh -c qemu:///system snapshot-create CentOS6-x86-001 Results in the following error, error: internal error unable to execute QEMU command 'savevm': The command savevm has not been found The VM's virtual disks are qcow2. Below is the XML file for this vm domain type='kvm' id='6' nameCentOS6-x86-001/name uuid050fb9d8-0b9a-48b9-a432-16eec57a9e8f/uuid memory1024000/memory currentMemory1024000/currentMemory vcpu1/vcpu os type arch='x86_64' machine='rhel6.0.0'hvm/type boot dev='hd'/ /os features acpi/ apic/ pae/ /features clock offset='utc'/ on_poweroffdestroy/on_poweroff on_rebootrestart/on_reboot on_crashrestart/on_crash devices emulator/usr/libexec/qemu-kvm/emulator disk type='file' device='disk' driver name='qemu' type='qcow2' cache='none'/ source file='/vmstore/CentOS6-x86-001/CentOS6-x86-001_sys.qcow2'/ target dev='vda' bus='virtio'/ alias name='virtio-disk0'/ address type='pci' domain='0x' bus='0x00' slot='0x04' function='0x0'/ /disk disk type='file' device='cdrom' driver name='qemu' type='raw'/ target dev='hdc' bus='ide'/ readonly/ alias name='ide0-1-0'/ address type='drive' controller='0' bus='1' unit='0'/ /disk disk type='file' device='disk' driver name='qemu' type='qcow2'/ source file='/vmstore/CentOS6-x86-001/CentOS6-x86-001_var.img'/ target dev='vdb' bus='virtio'/ alias name='virtio-disk1'/ address type='pci' domain='0x' bus='0x00' slot='0x06' function='0x0'/ /disk controller type='ide' index='0' alias name='ide0'/ address type='pci' domain='0x' bus='0x00' slot='0x01' function='0x1'/ /controller interface type='bridge' mac address='52:54:00:4d:74:c7'/ source bridge='br0'/ target dev='vnet0'/ model type='virtio'/ alias name='net0'/ address type='pci' domain='0x' bus='0x00' slot='0x03' function='0x0'/ /interface serial type='pty' source path='/dev/pts/1'/ target port='0'/ alias name='serial0'/ /serial console type='pty' tty='/dev/pts/1' source path='/dev/pts/1'/ target port='0'/ alias name='serial0'/ /console input type='tablet' bus='usb' alias name='input0'/ /input input type='mouse' bus='ps2'/ graphics type='vnc' port='5900' autoport='yes'/ video model type='cirrus' vram='9216' heads='1'/ alias name='video0'/ address type='pci' domain='0x' bus='0x00' slot='0x02' function='0x0'/ /video memballoon model='virtio' alias name='balloon0'/ address type='pci' domain='0x' bus='0x00' slot='0x05' function='0x0'/ /memballoon /devices seclabel type='dynamic' model='selinux' labelsystem_u:system_r:svirt_t:s0:c292,c580/label imagelabelsystem_u:object_r:svirt_image_t:s0:c292,c580/imagelabel /seclabel /domain This is my first attempt at snapshots with KVM after migrating from ESXi, so if there's a better method please let me know. Thanks - Trey ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-es] Herramienta test network
tengo perdidas de paquetes en aleatorios, y dudo de que sea problema de la red, por lo cual le quiero tirar culpas a la placa de red del server, para esto quiero una herramienta/aplicacion que me deje saber en donde radica el problema.Gracias! El 27 de julio de 2011 15:57, Javier Basisty javier.basi...@gmail.comescribió: ethtool te puede servir, ifconfig tambien. Que es lo que queres testear? On 07/27/2011 02:22 PM, Federico Don wrote: Necesito alguna aplicacion para testear el funcionamiento correcto de una placa de red de un server..que me pueden recomendar?? Saludos. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Herramienta test network
No hace mucho me pasó con un amigo, un problema similar, se tiraba la culpa a la tarjeta de red por la desconexión temporal de la tarjeta, hasta que se detectó un proceso cuyo dueño era apache que consumía muchos recursos de CPU (con top), se monitoreó y resultó que era un proceso suponemos de un hacker que estaba ocasionando dicho síntoma, se borró todo lo referente a dicho proceso y se solucionó el proceso. Saludos -- Ramón Macías Zamora Tecnología, Investigación y Desarrollo Guayaquil - Ecuador msn:ramon_mac...@hotmail.com skype: ramon_macias UserLinux# 180926 (http://counter.li.org) Cel:593-8-0192238 Tel:593 4 6044566 http://www.raykasolutions.com/ WEB SITES, HOSTINGS, DOMINIOS, MANTENIMIENTO DE EQUIPOS, REDES, SERVIDORES LINUX, SOPORTE. 2011/7/28 Federico Don federico.do...@gmail.com tengo perdidas de paquetes en aleatorios, y dudo de que sea problema de la red, por lo cual le quiero tirar culpas a la placa de red del server, para esto quiero una herramienta/aplicacion que me deje saber en donde radica el problema.Gracias! El 27 de julio de 2011 15:57, Javier Basisty javier.basi...@gmail.com escribió: ethtool te puede servir, ifconfig tambien. Que es lo que queres testear? On 07/27/2011 02:22 PM, Federico Don wrote: Necesito alguna aplicacion para testear el funcionamiento correcto de una placa de red de un server..que me pueden recomendar?? Saludos. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Herramienta test network
Con respecto a lo que andas estas buscándo, antes de hacer eso podrías revisar lo siguente: 1. Parámetros de red definidos dentro de sysctl.conf 2. Hacer uso de herramientas como ping, arp, netstat, ifconfig para revisar conectividad y parametros de red, y ethtool para revisar la configuración de tarjeta de red . 3. Luego deberias considerar el realizar el analisis tráfico mediante tcpdump, esto con la finalidad de determianr si realmente se te pierden paquetes. 4. Ya por último podrías revisar cuestiones de performance, para ello, se puede hechar mano de herramientas como ntop y iperf * * Saludos -- Ricardo David Carrillo Sánchez Administrador de Sistemas Analista de Seguridad Informática PGP/GPG key fingerprint: 4EDE BEF9 2FAE AC73 8D5A B749 52CB C88B 0655 F2A0 PGP/GPG public key: http https://insecure-it.com.mx/keys/dominus.ceo.asc ://openinsecureit.mx/keys/dominus.ceo.aschttps://insecure-it.com.mx/keys/dominus.ceo.asc 2011/7/28 Federico Don federico.do...@gmail.com tengo perdidas de paquetes en aleatorios, y dudo de que sea problema de la red, por lo cual le quiero tirar culpas a la placa de red del server, para esto quiero una herramienta/aplicacion que me deje saber en donde radica el problema.Gracias! El 27 de julio de 2011 15:57, Javier Basisty javier.basi...@gmail.com escribió: ethtool te puede servir, ifconfig tambien. Que es lo que queres testear? On 07/27/2011 02:22 PM, Federico Don wrote: Necesito alguna aplicacion para testear el funcionamiento correcto de una placa de red de un server..que me pueden recomendar?? Saludos. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Herramienta test network
No tengo conocimientos de herramientas para comprovar el estado de una tarjeta de red. Pero alguna vez que me encontrado con este problema he tirado de las herramientas basicas, como mtr, htop... Para comprovar si tu tarjeta pierde paquetes creo que te puede servir el comando ifconfig. Si no recuerdo mal en las ultimas 4 linias aparecen las tasas de transferencia y los % de perdidas. 2011/7/28 Ricardo David Carrillo Sanchez dominus@gmail.com Con respecto a lo que andas estas buscándo, antes de hacer eso podrías revisar lo siguente: 1. Parámetros de red definidos dentro de sysctl.conf 2. Hacer uso de herramientas como ping, arp, netstat, ifconfig para revisar conectividad y parametros de red, y ethtool para revisar la configuración de tarjeta de red . 3. Luego deberias considerar el realizar el analisis tráfico mediante tcpdump, esto con la finalidad de determianr si realmente se te pierden paquetes. 4. Ya por último podrías revisar cuestiones de performance, para ello, se puede hechar mano de herramientas como ntop y iperf * * Saludos -- Ricardo David Carrillo Sánchez Administrador de Sistemas Analista de Seguridad Informática PGP/GPG key fingerprint: 4EDE BEF9 2FAE AC73 8D5A B749 52CB C88B 0655 F2A0 PGP/GPG public key: http https://insecure-it.com.mx/keys/dominus.ceo.asc ://openinsecureit.mx/keys/dominus.ceo.asc https://insecure-it.com.mx/keys/dominus.ceo.asc 2011/7/28 Federico Don federico.do...@gmail.com tengo perdidas de paquetes en aleatorios, y dudo de que sea problema de la red, por lo cual le quiero tirar culpas a la placa de red del server, para esto quiero una herramienta/aplicacion que me deje saber en donde radica el problema.Gracias! El 27 de julio de 2011 15:57, Javier Basisty javier.basi...@gmail.com escribió: ethtool te puede servir, ifconfig tambien. Que es lo que queres testear? On 07/27/2011 02:22 PM, Federico Don wrote: Necesito alguna aplicacion para testear el funcionamiento correcto de una placa de red de un server..que me pueden recomendar?? Saludos. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es -- _ Pere Casas pcasas.p...@gmail.com ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] Herramienta test network
Hola ! Con el comando 'netstat -i' puedes ver las estadísticas de los interfaces de red y comprobar los errores. Tienes seis columnas que te interesan : - rx-ok : recibidos sin problemas - rx-err : con errores en la recepción - rx-drp : paquetes descartados en la recepción - tx-ok : transmitidos sin problemas - tx-err : con errores en la transmisión - tx-drp : paquetes descartados en la transmisión Salu2, alexis On 07/28/2011 09:28 PM, Pere Casas Puig wrote: No tengo conocimientos de herramientas para comprovar el estado de una tarjeta de red. Pero alguna vez que me encontrado con este problema he tirado de las herramientas basicas, como mtr, htop... Para comprovar si tu tarjeta pierde paquetes creo que te puede servir el comando ifconfig. Si no recuerdo mal en las ultimas 4 linias aparecen las tasas de transferencia y los % de perdidas. 2011/7/28 Ricardo David Carrillo Sanchezdominus@gmail.com Con respecto a lo que andas estas buscándo, antes de hacer eso podrías revisar lo siguente: 1. Parámetros de red definidos dentro de sysctl.conf 2. Hacer uso de herramientas como ping, arp, netstat, ifconfig para revisar conectividad y parametros de red, y ethtool para revisar la configuración de tarjeta de red . 3. Luego deberias considerar el realizar el analisis tráfico mediante tcpdump, esto con la finalidad de determianr si realmente se te pierden paquetes. 4. Ya por último podrías revisar cuestiones de performance, para ello, se puede hechar mano de herramientas como ntop y iperf * * Saludos -- Ricardo David Carrillo Sánchez Administrador de Sistemas Analista de Seguridad Informática PGP/GPG key fingerprint: 4EDE BEF9 2FAE AC73 8D5A B749 52CB C88B 0655 F2A0 PGP/GPG public key: httphttps://insecure-it.com.mx/keys/dominus.ceo.asc ://openinsecureit.mx/keys/dominus.ceo.asc https://insecure-it.com.mx/keys/dominus.ceo.asc 2011/7/28 Federico Donfederico.do...@gmail.com tengo perdidas de paquetes en aleatorios, y dudo de que sea problema de la red, por lo cual le quiero tirar culpas a la placa de red del server, para esto quiero una herramienta/aplicacion que me deje saber en donde radica el problema.Gracias! El 27 de julio de 2011 15:57, Javier Basistyjavier.basi...@gmail.com escribió: ethtool te puede servir, ifconfig tambien. Que es lo que queres testear? On 07/27/2011 02:22 PM, Federico Don wrote: Necesito alguna aplicacion para testear el funcionamiento correcto de una placa de red de un server..que me pueden recomendar?? Saludos. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
[CentOS] centos6 xen
hi, is there any chance to see a xen kernel + xen in centosplus probably? or is any recommend 3rd party repo available yet which provides this? cheers, juergen ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
On 07/28/2011 08:01 AM, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: hi, is there any chance to see a xen kernel + xen in centosplus probably? or is any recommend 3rd party repo available yet which provides this? if someone was to step up and offer to manintain it, and a few people to help test it - CentOSPlus would welcome the rpms! - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
Hello Kb, theres myoungs repo available, he maintains a 2.6.32 kernel for fedora which has been ported to rhel/centos 6 as well. http://xenbits.xen.org/people/mayoung/ perhaps this could be a base for cplus xen. for me it worked fine so far, but i whouldnt take it onto production until further testing. i think i am not the only one who wants to stay with with xen :) cheers, juergen Am 28.07.11 10:46, schrieb Karanbir Singh: On 07/28/2011 08:01 AM, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: hi, is there any chance to see a xen kernel + xen in centosplus probably? or is any recommend 3rd party repo available yet which provides this? if someone was to step up and offer to manintain it, and a few people to help test it - CentOSPlus would welcome the rpms! - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:53:23AM +0200, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: i think i am not the only one who wants to stay with with xen :) Far from it. Xen still has a place as a dom0. John -- Since when do we have to agree with people to defend them from injustice? -- Lillian Hellman (1905-1984), American playwright pgpbGava1Xy5c.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Subnet expansion
From: Fajar Priyanto fajar...@arinet.org Currently I have this network: 10.1.16.0/22. 10.1.16.0-10.16.17.254 are DHCP managed 10.1.18.0-10.1.19.254 are statically assigned If I need to expand it to: 10.1.16.0/20 1. What is the best way to do it with minimal network disruption? I am no subneting pro but: Currently you have half DHCP and half statics... How will it be with the /20? Still half/half? $ ipcalc -nb 10.1.16.0/20 Address: 10.1.16.0 Netmask: 255.255.240.0 = 20 Wildcard: 0.0.15.255 = Network: 10.1.16.0/20 HostMin: 10.1.16.1 HostMax: 10.1.31.254 Broadcast: 10.1.31.255 Hosts/Net: 4094 A /20 half/half would give: 10.1.16.1-10.1.23.254 10.1.24.1-10.1.31.254 2. If I keep some machine with 22 subnet mask, will it still be able to talk to the other machines in it's range? They would talk to 10.1.16.1-10.1.19.254 ones, but would go for the gateway for 10.1.20.1-10.1.31.254 JD ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] /usr/sbin/logcheck: line 100: kill: (24333) - No such process
Hello I've installed a new mailserver with CentOS 6.0 x86_64. For the reporting I need logcheck. I've the same problem as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=678436 Description of problem: I installed logcheck and now I get mails from cron with the following error message: Subject: Cron logcheck@geniusif [ -x /usr/sbin/logcheck ]; then nice -n10 /usr/sbin/logcheck; fi [...] /usr/sbin/logcheck: line 100: kill: (24333) - No such process [root@mail ~]# rpm -qi logcheck Name: logcheck Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 1.3.13Vendor: Fedora Project Release : 2.el6 Build Date: Di 14 Sep 2010 10:53:25 CEST Install Date: Mi 27 Jul 2011 10:32:12 CEST Build Host: ppc05.phx2.fedoraproject.org Group : Applications/System Source RPM: logcheck-1.3.13-2.el6.src.rpm Size: 375904 License: GPLv2 Signature : RSA/8, Di 14 Sep 2010 17:50:20 CEST, Key ID 3b49df2a0608b895 Packager: Fedora Project URL : http://logcheck.org/ Summary : Analyzes log files and sends noticeable events as email [root@mail ~]# ls -l /var/log/maillog -rw-rw-rw- 1 root adm 1040633 28. Jul 11:19 /var/log/maillog [root@mail ~]# ls -l /var/log/secure -rw-r--r-- 1 root adm 10342 28. Jul 11:19 /var/log/secure [root@mail ~]# But the solution (chgrp adm /var/log/messages /var/log/secure) did't work for me. Thanks Andreas___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
Hi, A few more questions :) On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:56 AM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:53:23AM +0200, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: i think i am not the only one who wants to stay with with xen :) Far from it. Xen still has a place as a dom0. What are the reasons for people staying with Xen as dom0, just the learning curve? Or are there some technical considerations as well? Are there any good migration guides from xen to KVM? Can xen domUs be used with KVM easily? I am myself wondering should I learn KVM and go with C6 dom0 or to stick with C5 for now... BR, Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
Am 28.07.11 11:23, schrieb Peter Peltonen: Hi, A few more questions :) On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:56 AM, John R. Dennisonj...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:53:23AM +0200, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: i think i am not the only one who wants to stay with with xen :) Far from it. Xen still has a place as a dom0. What are the reasons for people staying with Xen as dom0, just the learning curve? Or are there some technical considerations as well? Are there any good migration guides from xen to KVM? Can xen domUs be used with KVM easily? I am myself wondering should I learn KVM and go with C6 dom0 or to stick with C5 for now... BR, Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos my experiences with KVM - overcomittmend possible - very bad in lots of producation systems - vms run as qemu process which take often lots of more memory then assigned to the vm, which could result in swapping (qemu overhead? dunno...) - performance Issues, espacially io - cli tools arent as easy to use than xm / xl from my point i whould say kvm is great for desktop virtualization, but i whould stay away from it when it comes to server usage. for desktop stuff, xen is bad. For example the nvidia modules wont work with a dom0, with kvm they do. the administration tools (virt-manager) run also on X... pro points for xen - assigned memory for a VM means assigned memory. not more will be used. - no overcommitment possible - great performance, especially with pv guests con points for xen - patched kernel needed (ok, 3.0 includes xen dom0 but not all features) - bad for desktop virtualization just my to cents, others may have better experiences cheers, juergen ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
On 07/28/2011 10:23 AM, Peter Peltonen wrote: What are the reasons for people staying with Xen as dom0, just the learning curve? Or are there some technical considerations as well? while they are all relevant and good questions, please start a new thread when going off on a tangent from the existing thread. This one is about Xen Dom0 support in CentOSPlus. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kickstart and CentOS 6...
From: John Doe jd...@yahoo.com I am trying to upgrade my kickstart usb key to 6.0 and I ran into a few issues. I boot with: append initrd=initrd.img ks=hd:sdb2:/ks.cfg repo=hd:sdb2:/centos and in the ks.cfg I have: harddrive --partition=sdb2 --dir=/centos and on sdb2 I have: sdb2:/centos/CentOS-6.0-x86_64-bin-DVD1.iso sdb2:/centos/CentOS-6.0-x86_64-bin-DVD2.iso It fails from the beginning unless I add /images inside /centos, I suspect it does not give a damn about the two DVD isos and expect the unpacked content... I tried with the DVDs contents instead of the isos and it still fails with: The installation source given by device ['sdb2'] could not be found But if I go in the console: $ mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/isodir $ ls /mnt/isodir/centos Packages images repodata Everything needed seems to be accessible... I cannot find any specific message complaining about a missing/invalid directory in anaconda logs... Any idea what could be wrong? Thx, JD ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Peter Peltonen peter.pelto...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, A few more questions :) On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:56 AM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:53:23AM +0200, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: i think i am not the only one who wants to stay with with xen :) Far from it. Xen still has a place as a dom0. What are the reasons for people staying with Xen as dom0, just the learning curve? Or are there some technical considerations as well? KVM is not as mature as XEN. yet? And if you want to use a so called Enterprise Operating System like CentOS, then you'd probably expect a stable and enterprise grade virtualization kernel as well. KVM, IMO (and others as well ) is not enterprise ready yet. -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers SoftDux Website: http://www.SoftDux.com Technical Blog: http://Blog.SoftDux.com Office: 087 805 9573 Cell: 082 554 7532 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] non PAE support
On 28 July 2011 03:09, Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote: At Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:39:55 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Always Learning wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 10:15 -0700, John R Pierce wrote: you can build the kernel RPM on any other similar environment, and WHY ARE YOU/WE WASTING Y/OUR TIME ON A 6 YR OLD LAPTOP??? 6r old laptops owned by parents or grandparents may be one of the targets for centos6. The amount of time i spend providing tech support for my parents has decreased by several orders of magnitude by converting them onto centos5 a few years ago and i can even support them remotely (using an old 256MB dell latitude L400 that is perfectly happy running 5.6 and is my daily use computer) It seems that by excluding what are relatively modern CPUs in order to drop support for the original pentium chip is a bit short sighted (especially when fedora still allows non-PAE) ok mum, lets get you setup with centos6..oh dear.. it looks like you bought your laptop at exactly the wrong period in intel's mobile cpu history...unlucky. Ah well, lets go down to $PC_VENDOR and get you something with m$'s latest rubbish on it. Bring your purse my prediction for rhel 7 - if your chip doesn't do VT-d then no goodness for you (eg if you buy a i5-2500k rather than the i5-2500 - same ** processor but with one hand intel giveth and with the other they take away) /rant mike ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] How to remove Microsoft soft raid?
On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 11:17 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: Drew wrote on 07/21/2011 11:09 AM: From the sounds of it it's fake raid. M$ doesn't leave any signatures on their raid system that linux will detect. dm/md raid can see fakeraid signatures in newer versions so the installer may be picking up on that. So, erasing the RAID signatures with dd in addition to changing the BIOS setting, is indicated. Phil Used a CentOS 6 Live DVD to boot. Then discovered that under ApplicationsSystemDisk Utilities one can manage disks to include busting up old raid devices and partitions. Whatever raid metadata was written by WinXP-64 was destroyed and I was able to do a proper install of CentOS 6. Thanks go to the upstream developers for enhancing the disk utilities. DaveM ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Subnet expansion
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:53 PM, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: Currently I have this network: 10.1.16.0/22. 10.1.16.0-10.16.17.254 are DHCP managed 10.1.18.0-10.1.19.254 are statically assigned If I need to expand it to: 10.1.16.0/20 I think the answer to this part is not trivially. A machine in the /20 subnet will expect to be able to talk directly to a machine within the /22, but that machine will want to talk via a router. You can hide subnets within subnets using arp-proxying, but I'm not sure there's an easier way. A machine within the /22 would be able to talk to any other machine within that /22 (even if they're configured to use /20), but won't be able to happily talk to machines within the /20 but outside of the /22. Hi John, Thanks for helping. I have some discussion also with friends in the physical world, and they suggest: 1. Keep the current network 10.1.16.0/22 2. Create another network 10.1.20.0/22 (half static, half dhcp) 3. Setup a router so that the two network can talk to each other. 4. This will offer no disruption to the current network setup at all. One issue that I see may be coming is that, since I want to allocate 10.1.20.0/22 to a specific VM that belong to a specific team, I may have to setup the DHCP based on MAC. Could be very tedious. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] non PAE support
On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 11:33 +0100, Michael Simpson wrote: ok mum, lets get you setup with centos6..oh dear.. it looks like you bought your laptop at exactly the wrong period in intel's mobile cpu history...unlucky. Ah well, lets go down to $PC_VENDOR and get you something with m$'s latest rubbish on it. Bring your purse ... and do not forget to pay the GBP 90 (Euro 100, USD 150) compulsory Windoze tax on the new computer ! In England it is impossible, in my experience, to purchase a new computer from a major retailer without paying the Windoze tax. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
On 07/28/2011 11:49 AM, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: Am 28.07.11 11:23, schrieb Peter Peltonen: Hi, A few more questions :) On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:56 AM, John R. Dennisonj...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:53:23AM +0200, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: i think i am not the only one who wants to stay with with xen :) Far from it. Xen still has a place as a dom0. What are the reasons for people staying with Xen as dom0, just the learning curve? Or are there some technical considerations as well? Are there any good migration guides from xen to KVM? Can xen domUs be used with KVM easily? I am myself wondering should I learn KVM and go with C6 dom0 or to stick with C5 for now... BR, Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos my experiences with KVM - overcomittmend possible - very bad in lots of producation systems How is the *possibility* of overcomittment a bad thing. It gives you additional options. In many situation it *is* a good idea and KVM giving you the option should be a pro not a con. Nobody forces you to overcommit. - vms run as qemu process which take often lots of more memory then assigned to the vm, which could result in swapping (qemu overhead? dunno...) Define lots of more memory. Are you sure you are not looking at virtual memory and/or buffers? - performance Issues, espacially io Citations needed. - cli tools arent as easy to use than xm / xl If you use libvirt then you can keep using the same tools that you used for xen. The fact that the old tools seem to be easier to use i often a result of familiarity and not necessarily an indicator that the new tools are objectively worse. I don't have any KVM guest in production yet but I've tested with both Linux and Windows 2008 guests and so far I hardly see any difference to my Xen guests. Regards, Dennis ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Rudi Ahlers r...@softdux.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Peter Peltonen peter.pelto...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:56 AM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:53:23AM +0200, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: i think i am not the only one who wants to stay with with xen :) Far from it. Xen still has a place as a dom0. What are the reasons for people staying with Xen as dom0, just the learning curve? Or are there some technical considerations as well? KVM is not as mature as XEN. yet? And if you want to use a so called Enterprise Operating System like CentOS, then you'd probably expect a stable and enterprise grade virtualization kernel as well. KVM, IMO (and others as well ) is not enterprise ready yet. I'd edit what you've said in two ways. 1. The tools to manage KVM aren't as mature as the tools to manage Xen. 2. A so-called Enterprise Operating System like RHEL. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 07:27:38AM -0400, Tom H wrote: 2. A so-called Enterprise Operating System like RHEL. And your gratuitous edit of this point serves what purpose exactly? John -- People learn something every day, and a lot of times it's that what they learned the day before was wrong. -- Bill Vaughan (1915-1977), American columnist and author pgpFkVY7B05u3.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
I can definitely say why I need Xen... My reasons are partially selfish - I have some older hardware at home that does not support native hardware virtualization (two Dell Precision 470s and a Dell Poweredge SC 430)... By using Xen, the performance is great for me using VMs... Using qemu doesn't work quite so well for me... Again, this is all for my home network...but I can't bring myself to buy new hardware just so I can utilize virtualization... On Thu, 28 Jul 2011, Peter Peltonen wrote: Hi, A few more questions :) On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:56 AM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:53:23AM +0200, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: i think i am not the only one who wants to stay with with xen :) Far from it. Xen still has a place as a dom0. What are the reasons for people staying with Xen as dom0, just the learning curve? Or are there some technical considerations as well? Are there any good migration guides from xen to KVM? Can xen domUs be used with KVM easily? I am myself wondering should I learn KVM and go with C6 dom0 or to stick with C5 for now... BR, Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Scot P. Floess RHCT (Certificate Number 605010084735240) Chief Architect FlossWare http://sourceforge.net/projects/flossware http://flossware.sourceforge.net https://github.com/organizations/FlossWare___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
Le 28/07/2011 13:27, Tom H a écrit : On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Rudi Ahlersr...@softdux.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Peter Peltonen peter.pelto...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:56 AM, John R. Dennisonj...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:53:23AM +0200, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: i think i am not the only one who wants to stay with with xen :) Far from it. Xen still has a place as a dom0. What are the reasons for people staying with Xen as dom0, just the learning curve? Or are there some technical considerations as well? KVM is not as mature as XEN. yet? And if you want to use a so called Enterprise Operating System like CentOS, then you'd probably expect a stable and enterprise grade virtualization kernel as well. KVM, IMO (and others as well ) is not enterprise ready yet. I'd edit what you've said in two ways. 1. The tools to manage KVM aren't as mature as the tools to manage Xen. 2. A so-called Enterprise Operating System like RHEL. IMO, KVM in itself is not the problem, it is the lack of management solutions as mature as Vmware or XenServer, and lack of (other) Enterprise support, yet (for example ESXi is supported by Dell and others). Libvirt, in my opinion, and others, is not an Enterprise grade solution. I am using KVM in a production environnement, for windows (2003 R2, 2008 R2), and Linux (Ubuntu, CentOS...). I don't see much difference with ESXi with the same kind of VMs (I never used Xen). But I am not using KVM with CentOS (or Red Hat), but under Debian, with Proxmox-ve. In the spirit of ESXi, it is a bare metal installer, which configure everything (bridge, LVM for snapshots, web interface management). I would not say it is as well known or mature as Vmware, but it fills my needs. The most interesting thing for me is the web management interface, which is very clear, permits to create or modify a VM, backup it, add a new storage, live migrate the VM (with shared storage), so it is a very convenient management solution, available from whatever system you want. Only a web browser supporting javascrip is needed, this is rather common these days... And the most important point for me is that KVM is included in mainline kernel, that is available under every linux distribution (RHEL, Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, etc...), and will remain free source (GPL). So, if Proxmox-ve disappears, I can rather easily migrate to another solution. The other important point is that behind, it is standard Linux, not close as Vmware, so you can access eveything, add the package you want very easily. One reason why RedHat discarded Xen was it was not included in the mainline kernel, so was difficult to maintain. You see, you have to compile your own kernel, that will not be supported upstream... I am waiting to see the free (source) Java (so Linux) version of RHEVM, but I saw nothing appear yet, and I fear it will not be as handy Proxmox-ve Web interface and solution is, and not so open... My two cents. Alain -- == Alain Péan - LPP/CNRS Administrateur Système/Réseau Laboratoire de Physique des Plasmas - UMR 7648 Observatoire de Saint-Maur 4, av de Neptune, Bat. A 94100 Saint-Maur des Fossés Tel : 01-45-11-42-39 - Fax : 01-48-89-44-33 == ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [SOLVED] How to remove Microsoft soft raid?
Whatever raid metadata was written by WinXP-64 was destroyed and I was able to do a proper install of CentOS 6. I'd still strongly recommend, if you haven't done so, check your BIOS to make sure your SATA controller doesn't have RAID mode enabled. I've seen the odd weird interaction between Linux, the BIOS, and the SATA controller (especially early non-Intel ICH family) that was traced back to that setting. -- Drew Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood. --Marie Curie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads
hi guys, Just a quick note about adding [SOLVED] tags to the Subject lines on email lists : Dont do it, it does not help and makes no difference to the content - yet, it breaks threading of responses. Unline web forums, email clients will try and thread using the Subject and in-reply-to headers to retain thread sanity. So dont please dont break that, its quite a key part of the whole mailing lists experience for everyone. I understand that some people seem to think that adding that makes it easier to later search on google. And if thats the case, adding the SOLVED word in your actual email body would do just as well, Add it high up the body content for even better effect. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
hi, On 07/28/2011 08:01 AM, Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: is there any chance to see a xen kernel + xen in centosplus probably? or is any recommend 3rd party repo available yet which provides this? having spoken to a couple of people who have shown interest in this issue over the last few months, there seems to be a few different options on how we could achieve a xen dom0 support layer within the centos repos; I'm going to try and move this conversation over the centos-virt list and we can take it up there. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Subnet expansion
On 7/28/11 4:18 AM, John Doe wrote: 2. If I keep some machine with 22 subnet mask, will it still be able to talk to the other machines in it's range? Linux boxes seem to mostly work with the wrong netmask, but I've seen things that don't. Your subnet broadcast will be wrong. They would talk to 10.1.16.1-10.1.19.254 ones, but would go for the gateway for 10.1.20.1-10.1.31.254 But the gateway may send an icmp redirect, knowing you should be able to reach the target directly. I'd recommend fixing everything to match as soon as possible. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] non PAE support
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011, Always Learning wrote: *snip* ... and do not forget to pay the GBP 90 (Euro 100, USD 150) compulsory Windoze tax on the new computer ! In England it is impossible, in my experience, to purchase a new computer from a major retailer without paying the Windoze tax. Yes. But the Geman court, part of the EEA decided that if somebody buys a new PC with a M$ OS as part of the bundle, and they don't want the M$ OS, they can choose to resell the M$ OS onto a third party to recover the costs they paid for it. See ebay.co.uk for examples of this. Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011, Karanbir Singh wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org Subject: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads hi guys, Just a quick note about adding [SOLVED] tags to the Subject lines on email lists : Dont do it, it does not help and makes no difference to the content - yet, it breaks threading of responses. Unline web forums, email clients will try and thread using the Subject and in-reply-to headers to retain thread sanity. So dont please dont break that, its quite a key part of the whole mailing lists experience for everyone. Is that why it's frowned upon to use a current thread to start a new one? Like doing a 'reply to' and then changing the subject line? Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net wrote: Is that why it's frowned upon to use a current thread to start a new one? Like doing a 'reply to' and then changing the subject line? Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Yup. Even if you change the subject, the email headers still remain and many email clients use the email headers to group the mails relevant to that conversation -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers SoftDux Website: http://www.SoftDux.com Technical Blog: http://Blog.SoftDux.com Office: 087 805 9573 Cell: 082 554 7532 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads
In article sig.51907ae09c.caaj3djkxvacpejzzyywuhqspfew2pken93xrfbmbd8jnvsc...@mail.gmail.com, Rudi Ahlers r...@softdux.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net wrote: Is that why it's frowned upon to use a current thread to start a new one? Like doing a 'reply to' and then changing the subject line? Yup. Even if you change the subject, the email headers still remain and many email clients use the email headers to group the mails relevant to that conversation By that token, adding [SOLVED] is not such a problem after all! I personally find it useful to see [SOLVED] without having to open each post to find which one in a long thread contains the solution. Convention has it that only the original poster adds [SOLVED], when summarising how the original problem was overcome. - i.e. suggested solutions from others do not add it. Tony -- Tony Mountifield Work: t...@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk Play: t...@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:41 AM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 07:27:38AM -0400, Tom H wrote: 2. A so-called Enterprise Operating System like RHEL. And your gratuitous edit of this point serves what purpose exactly? That blaming CentOS for the switch to KVM and the deprecation of Xen doesn't make sense since it's simply re-rpm'ing RHEL. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 07/28/2011 09:59 AM Tony Mountifield wrote: In article sig.51907ae09c.caaj3djkxvacpejzzyywuhqspfew2pken93xrfbmbd8jnvsc...@mail.gmail.com, Rudi Ahlers r...@softdux.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net wrote: Is that why it's frowned upon to use a current thread to start a new one? Like doing a 'reply to' and then changing the subject line? Yup. Even if you change the subject, the email headers still remain and many email clients use the email headers to group the mails relevant to that conversation By that token, adding [SOLVED] is not such a problem after all! I personally find it useful to see [SOLVED] without having to open each post to find which one in a long thread contains the solution. Convention has it that only the original poster adds [SOLVED], when summarising how the original problem was overcome. - i.e. suggested solutions from others do not add it. Tony The effect of changing the Subject line is going to vary with the email reader and composer apps which are used. (Though I'm not versed well enough in the internals of mail servers to say, off the top of my head I can't see why they would handle mail any differently due to a change in the Subject line.) Among the numerous header lines of the email from Tony above is this one: In-Reply-To: sig.51907ae09c.caaj3djkxvacpejzzyywuhqspfew2pken93xrfbmbd8jnvsc...@mail.gmail.com (It may appear line-wrapped, but as delivered to me it is all on a single line. Also, I emphatically didn't pick this line because it has my name in it alongside the year I started using Linux. :) I'm assuming that this is meant to assist in thread ordering. As such, it should be sufficient and overcome variations in the text of the Subject line. Yet that will depend on the code in everyone's email readers. We should consider the mail archives as well, whether they also use the same algorithms and determinants for organizing threads. As a long time Tbird user, I find that it handles variations in the Subject line quite well: e.g., threading is preserved despite alterations to the Subject line. This is no guarantee regarding other mail readers or archivers. As a test, I appended a couple words to the previous subject line. If this causes this email to show up as the beginning of a new thread to you, please report that back to us along with the email reader and version you're using. (Of course this is far from a rigorous test, but it's the best I can do at the moment.) Thanks, ken -- When a society comes together and makes decisions in harmony, when it respects its most noble traditions, cares for its most vulnerable members, treats its forests and lands with respect, then it will prosper and not decline. --Buddha, Mahaparinirvana Sutra ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
Regards, Marc Deop On Thursday 28 July 2011 11:14:38 ken wrote: On 07/28/2011 09:59 AM Tony Mountifield wrote: In article sig.51907ae09c.caaj3djkxvacpejzzyywuhqspfew2pken93xrfbmbd8jnvsc...@mail.gmail.com, Rudi Ahlers r...@softdux.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net wrote: Is that why it's frowned upon to use a current thread to start a new one? Like doing a 'reply to' and then changing the subject line? Yup. Even if you change the subject, the email headers still remain and many email clients use the email headers to group the mails relevant to that conversation By that token, adding [SOLVED] is not such a problem after all! I personally find it useful to see [SOLVED] without having to open each post to find which one in a long thread contains the solution. Convention has it that only the original poster adds [SOLVED], when summarising how the original problem was overcome. - i.e. suggested solutions from others do not add it. Tony The effect of changing the Subject line is going to vary with the email reader and composer apps which are used. (Though I'm not versed well enough in the internals of mail servers to say, off the top of my head I can't see why they would handle mail any differently due to a change in the Subject line.) Among the numerous header lines of the email from Tony above is this one: In-Reply-To: sig.51907ae09c.caaj3djkxvacpejzzyywuhqspfew2pken93xrfbmbd8jnvsc...@mail.gmail.com (It may appear line-wrapped, but as delivered to me it is all on a single line. Also, I emphatically didn't pick this line because it has my name in it alongside the year I started using Linux. :) I'm assuming that this is meant to assist in thread ordering. As such, it should be sufficient and overcome variations in the text of the Subject line. Yet that will depend on the code in everyone's email readers. We should consider the mail archives as well, whether they also use the same algorithms and determinants for organizing threads. As a long time Tbird user, I find that it handles variations in the Subject line quite well: e.g., threading is preserved despite alterations to the Subject line. This is no guarantee regarding other mail readers or archivers. As a test, I appended a couple words to the previous subject line. If this causes this email to show up as the beginning of a new thread to you, please report that back to us along with the email reader and version you're using. (Of course this is far from a rigorous test, but it's the best I can do at the moment.) Thanks, ken This discussion makes no sense to me. If the email client is using the subject for threading it is doing something wrong (or you specifically set it that way). As Ken said, there are headers used to organize the emails. As for ken's test, it's working fine for me :) Regards ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiplefactors
As a test, I appended a couple words to the previous subject line. If this causes this email to show up as the beginning of a new thread to you, please report that back to us along with the email reader and version you're using. (Of course this is far from a rigorous test, but it's the best I can do at the moment.) Thanks, ken This discussion makes no sense to me. If the email client is using the subject for threading it is doing something wrong (or you specifically set it that way). As Ken said, there are headers used to organize the emails. As for ken's test, it's working fine for me :) Because of corporate requirements, I use Microsoft Outlook 2007 to read my email. I use View-Arrange By-Conversation to read this forum. Each time someone changes the subject line, it appears to me as a new conversation. For example, when Ken added multiple factors, a new conversation was started. When Marc changed it to multiplefactors, yet another conversation was started. So I would appreciate it if people would not mess with the Subject line. On the other hand, it's not really a big deal. I can live with it. -Owen ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 07/28/2011 04:19 PM, Marc Deop wrote: This discussion makes no sense to me. If the email client is using the subject for threading it is doing something wrong (or you specifically set it that way). As Ken said, there are headers used to organize the emails. the thing is that not all mail clients will set the in-reply-to headers, whuch is why clients like thunderbird, evolution and mutt will use the subject line as well to thread messages. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiplefactors
On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 10:49 -0500, Owen Beckley wrote: Because of corporate requirements, I use Microsoft Outlook 2007 to read email. I use View-Arrange By-Conversation to read this forum. Each time someone changes the subject line, it appears to me as a new conversation. For example, when Ken added multiple factors, a new conversation was started. Does not 'conversation' require a minimum of two people exchanging speech between themselves Educational standards may be lax at M$, but why is M$ giving the world a negative impression of basic literacy in the US of A? No wonder Centos is popular among 'educated' people :-) -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 77, Issue 8
Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-annou...@centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-requ...@centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-ow...@centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest... Today's Topics: 1. Release for CentOS-6.0 LiveDVD i386 and x86_64 (Karanbir Singh) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 00:01:02 +0100 From: Karanbir Singh kbsi...@centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS-6.0 LiveDVD i386 and x86_64 To: CentOS Announcements List centos-annou...@centos.org Message-ID: 4e3098ae.4050...@centos.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed We are pleased to announce the immediate availability of CentOS-6.0 LiveDVD for i386 and x86_64 architectures. Detailed Release Notes are available at http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOSLiveDVD6.0 +++ Overview The CentOS-6.0 LiveDVD is meant to be a Linux environment suited to be run directly from either DVD media or USB storage devices. It does not need any persistent storage on a machine, which also makes it a suitable recovery environment. The LiveDVDs are setup to run as full desktop environments and include most of the applications used in this role. +++ Download SHA256SUMs : CentOS-6.0-x86_64-LiveDVD.iso: e604450174c646a6590156e3c6c29f3eca0d6b2a8d0f9745a4ea11dff35f0abc CentOS-6.0-i386-LiveDVD.iso: cb76a6bcd14c7397d756c5a5fdfede4bd004a7a6f1cef8f35977ba310a4b14aa The CentOS-6.0 LiveDVD is released to all external mirrors and available for download now. List of mirrors is available at these urls : http://isoredirect.centos.org/centos/6/isos/i386/ http://isoredirect.centos.org/centos/6/isos/x86_64/ Due to the size of these DVDs, torrents have also been released and are being seeded at this time. The torrents are available at the same url as the iso files. Once you download the images, its important to verify contents using the sha256sum utility, against the published sums here. +++ Notes You can now install the Live environment to your hard disk (which wasn?t possible with the 5.x Live medias). Please note that you need more that 512Mb of ram to be able to use that ?install to hard drive? feature (If you have less than 512Mb of ram, you can install to disk but in text-mode, meaning that instead of clicking on the desktop icon, you have to launch a gnome-terminal and launch the ?liveinst? command from within the terminal) There is no upstream Live media product. The Live media produced within the CentOS Project is based on and around the livemedia tools from the Fedora Project. These LiveDVD only contains content found within the primary CentOS-6.0 distribution. No package from outside the distribution was included and no package has been changed from whats included in the base distribution. We appreciate all forms of feedback about these LiveDVD, including specific application inclusion requests or feature changes in future releases. The best place to provide this feedback is via the centos-devel mailing list ( http://lists.centos.org/ ) and feature requests via the issue tracker ( http://bugs.centos.org/ ). Special thanks to Fabian Arrotin for taking up the LiveCD and LiveDVD efforts, and to everyone on the QA team who worked through the issues and helped build, test and release these images. And to Patrice Guay for his work in setting up the Live Media effort within the CentOS Project. -- Karanbir Singh The CentOS Project irc: z00dax, #cen...@irc.freenode.net -- ___ CentOS-announce mailing list centos-annou...@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce End of CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 77, Issue 8 ** ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 not using /etc/gdm/custom.conf
If anyone really needs to do this, there is a patch in the gdm srpm called plymoth.patch that changes the parameters. It's located on line 225. If you change that to what you need and recompile it, it should work. Not that I recommend this... Regards, Stephen Jamieson -Original Message- From: Jamieson, Stephen CTR Navair, 5.4.4.4 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:17 PM To: 'centos@centos.org' Subject: centos6 not using /etc/gdm/custom.conf In CentOS5 you were able to create a server section in /etc/gdm/custom.conf such as [server-Standard] name=Standard server command=/usr/bin/Xorg -br -audit 4 -s 15 chooser=false handled=true flexible=true priority=0 After this change, Xorg would run with the -br -audit 4 -s 15 options. Unfortunately in CentOS6 this is not the case. It completely ignores anything put into custom.conf as far as I can tell. It appears to run with -nr -verbose -auth -nolisten tcp by default. Is there any way to modify this? Regards, Stephen Jamieson ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On Thursday 28 July 2011 16:52:07 Karanbir Singh wrote: On 07/28/2011 04:19 PM, Marc Deop wrote: This discussion makes no sense to me. If the email client is using the subject for threading it is doing something wrong (or you specifically set it that way). As Ken said, there are headers used to organize the emails. the thing is that not all mail clients will set the in-reply-to headers, whuch is why clients like thunderbird, evolution and mutt will use the subject line as well to thread messages. So the mail clients that don't set these headers should be fixed, right? I mean, fix the broken software rather than try to fix human habits in order to keep using broken software. Best, :-) Marko ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 07/28/11 8:52 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: the thing is that not all mail clients will set the in-reply-to headers, whuch is why clients like thunderbird, evolution and mutt will use the subject line as well to thread messages. Its the References: header that controls threading in mail clients that support it. I'm using thunderbird, and afaik, it won't revert to Subject based pseudo threading in the absence of References. Subject line changes don't break the thread, which is why using 'reply' and changing the subject to start a new thread makes a mess wherre the new thread is buried in the original that it was in reply to -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 07/28/11 10:21 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: So the mail clients that don't set these headers should be fixed, right? I mean, fix the broken software rather than try to fix human habits in order to keep using broken software. a frequent cause of missing References seems to be users who get a digested list, then manually try and reply to a message within it. the whole digest thing seems like a hangover from an earlier era when emailers didn't have filters and folders. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 07/28/2011 06:21 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: So the mail clients that don't set these headers should be fixed, right? I mean, fix the broken software rather than try to fix human habits in order to keep using broken software. Habit is an interestion term, same with convention - the fact that mailing lists have been around for a while, is enough to make me think that unless there is a value add, dont mess around with whats already in place. btw, i dont disagree with what you are saying - ideally people would stop using yahoo mail / squirrelmail etc. But thats harder and creates a much higher barrier than just sticking with established conventions. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 7/28/2011 12:32 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 07/28/11 10:21 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: So the mail clients that don't set these headers should be fixed, right? I mean, fix the broken software rather than try to fix human habits in order to keep using broken software. a frequent cause of missing References seems to be users who get a digested list, then manually try and reply to a message within it. the whole digest thing seems like a hangover from an earlier era when emailers didn't have filters and folders. The digest concept still makes sense for people who want to see messages but no more than one per interval. But if they were invented today they'd be a message containing a group of attached messages and your mailer would know how to open them and reply individually. But the thing I'd like mailers to do is to call attention to messages that belong to a thread where I've replied earlier. Is there a way to get thunderbird to do that? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 18:49 +0100, Thunderbird Fan (KB) wrote: ideally people would stop using yahoo mail / squirrelmail etc. ... and use a *real* email programme ? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 07/28/2011 06:23 PM, John R Pierce wrote: Its the References: header that controls threading in mail clients that support it. I'm using thunderbird, and afaik, it won't revert to Subject based pseudo threading in the absence of References. Subject line changes don't break the thread, which is why using 'reply' and changing the subject to start a new thread makes a mess wherre the new thread is buried in the original that it was in reply to there is a mix of what all are used, its mostly the in-reply-to that is supposed to be used, akait. References is also there, but introduced much later ( was it down to a Microsoft feature that they insisted get into the rfc ? ). See what your mail.strict_threading and mail.thread_without_re are set to; if you disable threading by subject, a very very large number of emails will lose thread sanity on this list. setting reply and changing subject does not change threads if your mail client is already doing the right thing. My argument here is that not all mail clients do, therefore sticking with subject line sanity would help increase the number of threads that can stay together. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 07/28/2011 06:53 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: But the thing I'd like mailers to do is to call attention to messages that belong to a thread where I've replied earlier. Is there a way to get thunderbird to do that? yes, I mark email threads I am interested in with a flag, and its easy to workout new emails in threads with a flag. Does not help if threads are all over the place though. the other, a bit crude, way to achieve a similar goal is to use sieve with a server side bayes ranking that works on the body of emails, and have that rate threads. i do something like this to track lkml where the overall mail rate is too high to track - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 07/28/2011 06:54 PM, Always Learning wrote: On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 18:49 +0100, Thunderbird Fan (KB) wrote: ideally people would stop using yahoo mail / squirrelmail etc. ... and use a *real* email programme ? 'real' is hard to quantify, but an email client that does the right thing for lists is easier to work out. btw, there are always the web forums for people who find that sort of a thing easier to work with. And while I dont use them myself, I've heard plenty of good things about the centos forums. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 7/28/2011 12:57 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 07/28/2011 06:53 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: But the thing I'd like mailers to do is to call attention to messages that belong to a thread where I've replied earlier. Is there a way to get thunderbird to do that? yes, I mark email threads I am interested in with a flag, and its easy to workout new emails in threads with a flag. Does not help if threads are all over the place though. I don't want to mark anything, I want the mailer to know that I am interested in replies to my own messages. And I generally read/reply on an assortment of different computers with a common imap server so it would have to track the references to get it right. I thought newsreaders used to do this long ago, but it has been a long time since I've used one. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] How to test for '.' in a script
I am trying to check for a single period '.' in a shell variable. $ I=. $ echo $I . $ if [[ $I -eq '.' ]]; then echo true; fi -bash: [[: .: syntax error: operand expected (error token is .) All other variants of this construct, with and without escape characters, single and double quote combinations, that I can think of all give exactly the same error. How does one check to see for this in a bash script? -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrnemailto:byrn...@harte-lyne.ca Harte Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 07/28/2011 06:54 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: My argument here is that not all mail clients do, therefore sticking with subject line sanity would help increase the number of threads that can stay together. I agree with KB on this one. Way I see it is, you could go everyone to install a new mail client, or contact their administrators to do so (corporate environment) if they want to keep threads in one piece. Don't think that would go so well... Or... You could simply choose not to modify the thread title thus keeping everyone happy. Granted Mailing Lists will never be perfect threading wise due to so many variations of mail clients etc. However would be nice to see some people simply at least try to keep the list clean :-) I too use threaded mode on my mail client (Thunderbird 3.1.11) and often threads are indeed broken because someone decided to change the subject line or change something or other. -- Jake ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How to test for '.' in a script
$ if [[ $I -eq '.' ]]; then echo true; fi -bash: [[: .: syntax error: operand expected (error token is .) -eq is for numbers == is for strings See man bash. -Owen ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 Webmail
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 07:14:39PM +0100, Keith Roberts wrote: +1 that's what my hosting provider gives on my webmail service, and I think it's a nice application to use. Please excuse the untimely response - been busy. I'd give users Exchange and OWA before I would even consider Horde and its ilk; their track record with regards to security is abysmal and while it may have gotten somewhat better in the past year or so the security track record of that project leaves an extremely bad taste in my mouth. And yes, Exchange / OWA, over the course of years, is much more secure as surprising as that may sound. John -- As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government. -- Dave Barry (3 July 1947-), Pulitzer Prize-winning American author and columnist, Knight Ridder syndicate, New York Daily News, 12 December 2004 pgpBE1tzUcWnr.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6 xen
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44:18AM -0400, Tom H wrote: That blaming CentOS for the switch to KVM and the deprecation of Xen doesn't make sense since it's simply re-rpm'ing RHEL. Ok, that makes sense and I fully agree :) I blame the lack of bacon for not understanding that earlier. Thanks for the clarification. John -- What happened should never, ever have happened. The families of those who died should not have had to live with the pain and hurt of that day, and a lifetime of loss. -- Prime Minister David Cameron of Britain, apologizing for the Bloody Sunday killings of 14 unarmed demonstrators by British soldiers in Londonderry, Northern Ireland, in 1972, New York Times, 16 June 2010 pgpZjij9JF7p4.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 Webmail
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 03:28:59PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: John R. Dennison wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 07:14:39PM +0100, Keith Roberts wrote: +1 that's what my hosting provider gives on my webmail service, and I think it's a nice application to use. Please excuse the untimely response - been busy. I'd give users Exchange and OWA before I would even consider Horde and its ilk; their track record with regards to security is abysmal and Why? What security issues are there, compared to Lookout, er, Outlook? snip -- As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government. -- Dave Barry (3 July 1947-), Pulitzer Prize-winning American author and columnist, Knight Ridder syndicate, New York Daily News, 12 December 2004 Today, I'd correct that: the self-proclaimed Republican Party is that enemy of everyone not a millionaire. Actually, even the millionaires are noticing their four-flushing ways as well.. jerry mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How to test for '.' in a script
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011, James B. Byrne wrote: I am trying to check for a single period '.' in a shell variable. $ I=. $ echo $I . $ if [[ $I -eq '.' ]]; then echo true; fi if [ $I = '.' ]; then ... Use a single = rather than -eq (which tests numeric equality) and use single brackets -- or, better, call test directly: if test $I = '.'; then ... help test is your friend! -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com http://www.madboa.com/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 Webmail
On this list, we are not supposed to talk about politics, religion, guns and helmet laws... Oops That's my motorcycling lists! ;) I guess the first three pertain to 'all' list except for those devoted to one or more of those three topics. Although, it can be really hard to refrain sometimes. John Hinton ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
In article 4e319b13.8000...@hogranch.com, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 07/28/11 8:52 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: the thing is that not all mail clients will set the in-reply-to headers, whuch is why clients like thunderbird, evolution and mutt will use the subject line as well to thread messages. Its the References: header that controls threading in mail clients that support it. I'm using thunderbird, and afaik, it won't revert to Subject based pseudo threading in the absence of References. Subject line changes don't break the thread, which is why using 'reply' and changing the subject to start a new thread makes a mess wherre the new thread is buried in the original that it was in reply to References: is for Usenet news, not email. Email uses In-Reply-To. In fact, on my local server, mail messages from the centos list are fed through a filter that changes In-Reply-To to References and then fed into my local INN news server, so I can read it with a threaded news reader instead of a mail program. The group is set to be moderated, so when I post, it gets emailed to the list address. Before doing so, it goes through another filter that changes the References: header back to an In-Reply-To with the mode recent message-ID. Cheers Tony -- Tony Mountifield Work: t...@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk Play: t...@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] kvm module and boot order
I use kvm-amd a lot to do test installs. I am using it with qemu-kvm-0.14 the lastest. I think your supposed to be able to give your command line and add the parameter -boot dc so it initially boots with the cdrom (d) and then after reboot will boot do the HD or c. This never works for me. It always boots CDROM. Is anyone using this argument. Is there something special to do in order to get the first boot on CDrom then the next boot going to HD? Thanks, Jerry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 Webmail
On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 15:28 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government. -- Dave Barry (3 July 1947-), Pulitzer Prize-winning American author and columnist, Knight Ridder syndicate, New York Daily News, 12 December 2004 Today, I'd correct that: the self-proclaimed Republican Party is that enemy of everyone not a millionaire. Whilst more supportive of the Democrats than Republicans, may I remind you that is was the Republicans that abolish slavery in the USA. The Democrats wanted to continue slavery. I am a tea drinker but refuse to drink anything with the Tea Party or with the intellectual genius from Alaska (a Life Member of the National Rifle Association and thinks the Second Amendment includes the right for every weirdo to have handguns and semi-automatic assault weapons). Thankfully Centos, thought addictive, is not so dangerous :-) -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 Webmail
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:50:00PM +0100, Always Learning wrote: Excess noise removed. It was a .signature quote. It's not fodder for this list. If you've a point to make or a comment to make about what I include in my .signature database then take it up with me _off-list_; otherwise please exclude such nonsense from this list. Thank you. John -- Anybody can win unless there happens to be a second entry. -- George Ade (1866 - 1944), American writer, newspaper columnist, and playwright pgpsnrdihhnJZ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
the thing is that not all mail clients will set the in-reply-to headers, whuch is why clients like thunderbird, evolution and mutt will use the subject line as well to thread messages. Apple Mail does that too and it makes the threading unusable IMO. If the clients are too dumb to adhere to a convention, I don't believe it's our job to baby them. Personally, I like the idea of the [SOLVED] tags because they can indicate when help is no longer needed. However, I also like the way the Sun Managers list does (did? it's been many years since I used it), but they basically said, post a question, work it out, then post a new SOLVED thread outlining the solution. While that would probably be a bit too formal for this list, it was a fantastic way of learning things. And having the solved thread made searching through archives way easier. Find a problem related to yours, then look for the SOLVED post. If you needed more detail, you went back to the main thread and read all the posts to see how they came to that conclusion. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 Webmail
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 09:50:00PM +0100, Always Learning wrote: On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 15:28 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government. -- Dave Barry (3 July 1947-), Pulitzer Prize-winning American author and columnist, Knight Ridder syndicate, New York Daily News, 12 December 2004 Today, I'd correct that: the self-proclaimed Republican Party is that enemy of everyone not a millionaire. Whilst more supportive of the Democrats than Republicans, may I remind you that is was the Republicans that abolish slavery in the USA. The Democrats wanted to continue slavery. I am a tea drinker but refuse to drink anything with the Tea Party or with the intellectual genius from Alaska (a Life Member of the National Rifle Association and thinks the Second Amendment includes the right for every weirdo to have handguns and semi-automatic assault weapons). Yes. and the Republicans used to be the party against foreign wars and for staying out of people's bedrooms. Their recent behavior is just symptom of their current mental and moral bancruptcy. And the success of the Teabaggers shows the mental laziness of too much of the country's population. But, this is far OT, so I quit now. jerry Thankfully Centos, thought addictive, is not so dangerous :-) -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] i am not qble to install centos 6
Hi CentOS Team, i am not able to install CentOS 6.0 , while installing 1) Insert your CentOS 6.0 installation DVD into DVD drive 2) In the pre-boot phase of system startup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booting press F11 to enter UEFI Boot Manager 3) Enter 'UEFI Boot Settings' 4) Choose 'Add Boot Option' 5) Point to 'BOOTX64.efi' file, whose exact path is /EFI/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.efi on the DVD 6) Add Description (e.g. CentOS 6.0) and optionally add Optional Data (which is passed to the boot image, not necessary) when i press the F11 i am not able go to boot options , for that i used the del and esc, there i am not able to find the UEFI settings, i tried with enabling the ide configuration to raid and enabling the sata0 and sata1 still i am not able to install CentOs . please guide me to install the centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] i am not qble to install centos 6
On 07/28/11 23:14, sridhar sri wrote: Hi CentOS Team, i am not able to install CentOS 6.0 , while installing 1) Insert your CentOS 6.0 installation DVD into DVD drive 2) In the pre-boot phase ofsystem startup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booting pressF11 to enter UEFI Boot Manager 3) Enter'UEFI Boot Settings' 4) Choose'Add Boot Option' 5) Point to'BOOTX64.efi' file, whose exact path is /EFI/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.efi on the DVD 6) Add Description (e.g.CentOS 6.0) and optionally add Optional Data (which is passed to the boot image, not necessary) when i press the F11 i am not able go to boot options , for that i used the del and esc, there i am not able to find the UEFI settings, i tried with enabling the ide configuration to raid and enabling the sata0 and sata1 still i am not able to install CentOs . please guide me to install the centos These instructions only apply to EFI systems. Please verify that you have an EFI system instead of a traditional BIOS. Glenn ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] i am not qble to install centos 6
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 02:44 +0530, sridhar sri wrote: when i press the F11 i am not able go to boot options , for that i used the del and esc, OK. Are you using SATA or PATA hard disks (HDD) ? What processor (CPU) does your machine have ? How much RAM does your machine have. Please note http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booting is NOT a Centos web page. Every machine has different start-up options which can be DEL, F1, F2 or even F6 or F11. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] [Fwd: [SOLVED] Re: How to test for '.' in a script]
On Thu, July 28, 2011 14:30, James B. Byrne wrote: I am trying to check for a single period '.' in a shell variable. $ I=. $ echo $I . $ if [[ $I -eq '.' ]]; then echo true; fi -bash: [[: .: syntax error: operand expected (error token is .) . . . How does one check to see for this in a bash script? Found it. if [[ $I == './' ]]; then echo match; fi match -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrnemailto:byrn...@harte-lyne.ca Harte Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrnemailto:byrn...@harte-lyne.ca Harte Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Yum Issues ; Segmentation fault
On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com wrote: Mine just segfault on the next one (I was having problems with dag): # yum --disablerepo=dag check-update Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, priorities Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * addons: mirrors.tummy.com * base: centos.mirror.lstn.net * extras: mirrors.tummy.com * rpmforge: apt.sw.be * updates: mirrors.gigenet.com RE | 2.1 kB 00:00 addons | 951 B 00:00 base | 1.1 kB 00:00 extras | 2.1 kB 00:00 extras/primary_db | 183 kB 00:00 freshrpms | 951 B 00:00 freshrpms/primary | 61 kB 00:00 freshrpms 164/164 rpmforge | 1.1 kB 00:00 rpmforge/primary | 4.0 MB 00:11 rpmforge: [## ] 891/10953Segmentation fault Try a 'yum clean all' yet? -Ross ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
On 07/28/2011 10:01 PM, Spiro Harvey wrote: Personally, I like the idea of the [SOLVED] tags because they can indicate when help is no longer needed. There is a fundamental problem with that - this list isnt a support list, its a list of and for people who use CentOS to talk about CentOS. By thinking of it as a one way support system you have reduced the list to essentially a bugtracker / issuetracker / support thread and that in itself defeats a very large part of what the list ( and community herein ) is about. Just my thoughts anyway - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 Webmail
I'd give users Exchange and OWA before I would even consider Horde and its ilk Well, we want free software, if I wanted to pay for a good webmail server I'd go for Axigen, as my experience, excellent option running on CentOS. J. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] how to use centos 6 live cd with virtualbox on win xp
If I try to start live cd with Virtual box; it say: no boot medium found system halted --- Michel Donais___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
There is a fundamental problem with that - this list isnt a support list, its a list of and for people who use CentOS to talk about CentOS. By thinking of it as a one way support system you have reduced the list to essentially a bugtracker / issuetracker / support thread and that in itself defeats a very large part of what the list ( and community herein ) is about. Yep, that's kind of what I was meaning by saying it was a more formal approach, but you said it better. :) -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
