Re: [CentOS-es] SOLICITUD
Alguna lista de seguridad básica de sistemas que recomendarle al amigo? El 10/11/11 01:26, David Rosado T. escribió: ya me parecia raro, el amigo puede comprometer datos delicados si continua así!! El 9 de noviembre de 2011 21:16, Ernesto Pérez Estévez cen...@ecualinux.com escribió: BuenaS nocheS ten cuidado con lo que envías, si mal no recuerdo hace un tiempo recuerdo que enviaste cierta información sobre los clientes de tu organización, algo de unas cuentas y montos y eso. cuidado en cómo envías la info, estás equivocándote de dirección de correo, esta es una lista de CentOS saludos epe El mié, 09-11-2011 a las 19:02 -0500, Jose Omancio Lopez escribió: Buena noche Para solicitar anular la factura 1200037628 que corresponde al cliente 10130820 suc 3 realizada el dia 3 de noviembre del presente año. El caso es el siguiente, en el mes de octubre se re digito la información en cguno y por error colocamos la factura 1200037628 en el mede de octubre siendo la factura 1200037328, ya pronasa entrego informes del mes de octubre. Pregunta podemos anular esta factura con nota en informix? Hacerla nuevamente en informix con otro número Entregarla al cliente y recuperar la 120037628 En cguno se relizaria nota a esta factura del mes de octubre y se digita la nueva Y lo que es mas en octubre quedo doble la factura de este cliente en cguno, la 1200037328 y la 120037628 con las mismas cantidades y el mismo día Ya se hablo con contabilidad y es la solución que dan. Atentamente Jose Omancio Lopez Sistemas Pronasa fijo 6881900 ext 510 cel 318 649 13 19 ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es -- Ernesto Miranda R. Encargado de Infraestructura y Sistemas Universidad Arturo Prat Iquique (+56 57)394388 - (+56 9)78640175 La diferencia entre ser eficaz y eficiente consiste en que el primero sólo cumple con el objetivo, mientras que el segundo no sólo lo cumple, sino que lo hace generando el menor gasto de recursos. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] SOLICITUD
Layer 8 El 10 de noviembre de 2011 08:30, Ernesto Miranda ernesto.mira...@unap.clescribió: Alguna lista de seguridad básica de sistemas que recomendarle al amigo? El 10/11/11 01:26, David Rosado T. escribió: ya me parecia raro, el amigo puede comprometer datos delicados si continua así!! El 9 de noviembre de 2011 21:16, Ernesto Pérez Estévez cen...@ecualinux.com escribió: BuenaS nocheS ten cuidado con lo que envías, si mal no recuerdo hace un tiempo recuerdo que enviaste cierta información sobre los clientes de tu organización, algo de unas cuentas y montos y eso. cuidado en cómo envías la info, estás equivocándote de dirección de correo, esta es una lista de CentOS saludos epe El mié, 09-11-2011 a las 19:02 -0500, Jose Omancio Lopez escribió: Buena noche Para solicitar anular la factura 1200037628 que corresponde al cliente 10130820 suc 3 realizada el dia 3 de noviembre del presente año. El caso es el siguiente, en el mes de octubre se re digito la información en cguno y por error colocamos la factura 1200037628 en el mede de octubre siendo la factura 1200037328, ya pronasa entrego informes del mes de octubre. Pregunta podemos anular esta factura con nota en informix? Hacerla nuevamente en informix con otro número Entregarla al cliente y recuperar la 120037628 En cguno se relizaria nota a esta factura del mes de octubre y se digita la nueva Y lo que es mas en octubre quedo doble la factura de este cliente en cguno, la 1200037328 y la 120037628 con las mismas cantidades y el mismo día Ya se hablo con contabilidad y es la solución que dan. Atentamente Jose Omancio Lopez Sistemas Pronasa fijo 6881900 ext 510 cel 318 649 13 19 ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es -- Ernesto Miranda R. Encargado de Infraestructura y Sistemas Universidad Arturo Prat Iquique (+56 57)394388 - (+56 9)78640175 La diferencia entre ser eficaz y eficiente consiste en que el primero sólo cumple con el objetivo, mientras que el segundo no sólo lo cumple, sino que lo hace generando el menor gasto de recursos. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS] Misterious hang
Vreme: 11/10/2011 10:03 AM, Fajar Priyanto piše: Hi all, Recently one my Centos 5.7 VM just crashes at least once a day randomly (hang). In /var/log/messages there is nothing at all that there is problem (no error, no failure). The log just stops. The only change I did before this crashes is I activated LDAP authentication, and also auditd. But I don't see any evidence relating to it. Any clue where to look for the cause? Best course should be to disable those apps and try without them if possible. Beside that, first find out exact time of the crash (is there any cron job associated) and check your file systems for error. Also check is you have enough free space. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 Active Directory 2008 R2 kickstart
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, James A. Peltier wrote: Hi All, Anyone have a working CentOS 6 kickstart file that they are using to bind a host to Active Directory 2008 R2? I'm working on a full AD/Linux environment and would like to stand on the shoulders of others if they are already doing such a thing. I'm thinking I need to enable LDAP and Kerberos, although Winbind might also be the key here. The config will ideally get the UID and GID from the AD UNIX Attributes tab and not some random UID/GID hash. There are quite a few pieces to put together here. You want a correct /etc/krb5.conf, /etc/sssd/sssd.conf, /etc/samba/smb.conf, and it makes sense for you to understand them. This might be a starting point for the sssd end: http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Deployment_Guide/chap-SSSD_User_Guide-Configuring_Domains.html That'll happily use AD SFU attributes, and kerberos integration with AD, with kerberos tickets being used where they can (samba mounts, ssh, etc.). jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
This is a continuation of the thread about redhat vs centos and the thought of moving from centos due to redhats new business model. Forgive the length, but I had to share. I went ahead and downloaded the 5 year supported version of ubuntu server. You think centos/redhat is a bit tough or not polished? One day with ubuntu server and you will look at centos install and setup as a god! Where do I begin? 1- you download the iso, burn a cd. But guess what? It is only a small boot setup (about 600mb). The install actually sets up your eth port and then SLOWLY downloads a base set of packages. Then when you are done with your drive set up, you get to pick a package. Then it downloads and installs, asking you a few questions as it does. Then it upgrades itself. About 40 minutes due to the downloads for me... 2- uses a really lame 1980 DOS version of a text installer. It does not and will not use a basic vid driver install which means your setting up of lvms and such during the install is really fun. 3- I don't know about having a server being forced to connect to the internet before you can even begin to secure it up. But the only way to really install it is to do that. Wait til you see the insecure firewall setup if gave me too.. 4- I picked the virtual host package, as the machine will hold guest OS's (presumably ubuntu). 5- booted up fine. 6- uses upstart and init, mixed up a bit. Upstart, BY DESIGN AND ACCORDING TO DOCUMENTATION is new and still being built so they do not want to put any documentation out on it yet. This makes chkconfig and things like that useless. Hence, if you want to know what is running, set to run, etc, you need to dig in multiple folders and read the scripts. There is no other way. What a horror. 7- The install, of the virtual host, added libvirt. It did not however install things like virt-install or any other virt software. Infact, no guest installation tools were added, though things like virsh were installed. Sigh. 8- The firewall and network do not have the scripts folder. You have to build your own firewall file and add scripts to make it over ride the stock one via the eth you want to use it forwtf? 9- here is the firewall, for a virtual host, that should not have anything but port 22 open as far as the initial install should (at least in my opinion).Ubuntu starts with this (remember, ubuntu forces you to be online to install and this is how it protects your server) I was not blocked on a single port going from my desktop to my server via my router. ALL PORTS were accessible. This is out of the box. Shell 22 was open from all my computers. Not listed in the firewall as open. You can see it is quite different than the centos stock and I think ubuntu is a 'run away' install. There is no bridge set up in the network interface files either. There is no bridge set up. The firewall is looking at virbr0 but there is no such configuration I could find in the etc folder, anywhere. Very odd. # Generated by iptables-save v1.4.4 on Mon Nov 7 23:35:47 2011 *nat :PREROUTING ACCEPT [84:12492] :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [9:626] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [9:626] -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.122.0/24 ! -d 192.168.122.0/24 -p tcp -j MASQUERADE --to-ports 1024-65535 -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.122.0/24 ! -d 192.168.122.0/24 -p udp -j MASQUERADE --to-ports 1024-65535 -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.122.0/24 ! -d 192.168.122.0/24 -j MASQUERADE COMMIT # Completed on Mon Nov 7 23:35:47 2011 # Generated by iptables-save v1.4.4 on Mon Nov 7 23:35:47 2011 *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [3701:295955] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [793:1276008] -A INPUT -i virbr0 -p udp -m udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -i virbr0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -i virbr0 -p udp -m udp --dport 67 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -i virbr0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 67 -j ACCEPT -A FORWARD -d 192.168.122.0/24 -o virbr0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT -A FORWARD -s 192.168.122.0/24 -i virbr0 -j ACCEPT -A FORWARD -i virbr0 -o virbr0 -j ACCEPT -A FORWARD -o virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable -A FORWARD -i virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable COMMIT # Completed on Mon Nov 7 23:35:47 2011 In closing, it is down to suse or back to centos and just pray redhat turns around. Maybe scientific linux. Ubuntu is not ready for prime time and a HUGE step backwards. It is not cutting edge and very insecure. So maybe centos, even if a year or two behind, is way better than ubuntu will ever be. I took a shot at paid support. You have to send them a contact mail. I did. After 3 days sent them another. 2 days later, no response from that one either. down to suse or back to centos. One good thing about ubuntu was the bug redhat has for the ati onboard video is not an issue making no errors on boot and no long hang time that centos was causing me. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
Bob Hoffman wrote: This is a continuation of the thread about redhat vs centos and the thought of moving from centos due to redhats new business model. Forgive the length, but I had to share. Thank you, very much, for the details (not that I was planning on going to ubuntu...) Two things: snip 2- uses a really lame 1980 DOS version of a text installer. It does not and will not use a basic vid driver install which means your setting up of lvms and such during the install is really fun. What's wrong with text mode? I certainly prefer it. Oh, and those menus came along 2-3 years later g snip 6- uses upstart and init, mixed up a bit. Upstart, BY DESIGN AND ACCORDING TO DOCUMENTATION is new and still being built so they do not want to put any documentation out on it yet. This makes chkconfig and things like that useless. Hence, if you want to know what is running, set to run, etc, you need to dig in multiple folders and read the scripts. There is no other way. What a horror. Yes. Just like the grub ubuntu uses, that is a bloody script, and a .d directory *full* of files, rather than the clean, simple menu with RHEL/CentOS. snip I don't want to have to read scripts to find out how to configure something, or make it do something. A README, at the very least, should have that (not here's the license, go figure out everything else). From what I've been reading on /., along with gnome 3 and unity, that wing of the F/OSS movement, presumably in an effort to go head-to-head with M$ and Apple, are going the same way they are: here's how you do it, don't try to do it any other way, and we'll make it *REALLY* hard to do it any other way. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
Vreme: 11/10/2011 02:44 PM, Bob Hoffman piše: In closing, it is down to suse or back to centos and just pray redhat turns around. Maybe scientific linux. Ubuntu is not ready for prime time and a HUGE step backwards. It is not cutting edge and very insecure. So maybe centos, even if a year or two behind, is way better than ubuntu will ever be. Since 6.1 is close now, I do not expect delays longer then 6 months, and since CR repo exists most of the stuff will come to us much quicker. ElRepo's Mainline kernel (2.6.39-4.rc6.1.el6.elrepo) was completed yesterday, and should pose no problems with CentOS distro. That can, if no other option exists help you with kernel/video problems. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] what is pirut called under CentOS6?
Hello all, I noticed that pirut is no longer part of CentOS6. Does anybody know if there is a different graphical interface to yum that came to replace it? Thanks. Boris. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Misterious hang
Fajar Priyanto wrote: Hi all, Recently one my Centos 5.7 VM just crashes at least once a day randomly (hang). In /var/log/messages there is nothing at all that there is problem (no error, no failure). The log just stops. The only change I did before this crashes is I activated LDAP authentication, and also auditd. But I don't see any evidence relating to it. Any clue where to look for the cause? Two questions: is there anything on the console screen? Does it just hang, or reboot? If the latter, and there's nothing in the logs, it's possible activating openLDAP was just coincidental with the problem, and I'd start worrying about hardware problems. mark, waiting on an FE who's an hour late ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] what is pirut called under CentOS6?
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 09:23 -0500, Boris Epstein wrote: Hello all, I noticed that pirut is no longer part of CentOS6. Does anybody know if there is a different graphical interface to yum that came to replace it? Thanks. Boris. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Have you tried yumex from rpmforge or epel (can't remember which)? B.J. CentOS Linux release 6.0 (Final) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] what is pirut called under CentOS6?
From: Boris Epstein borepst...@gmail.com I noticed that pirut is no longer part of CentOS6. Does anybody know if there is a different graphical interface to yum that came to replace it? A Google search says: Pirut was the system level updating tool which PackageKit aims to replace in RHEL 6. http://people.redhat.com/rhughes/media-repo.txt JD ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote Vreme: 11/10/2011 02:44 PM, Bob Hoffman pis(e: / In closing, it is down to suse or back to centos and just pray redhat // turns around. Maybe scientific linux. // Ubuntu is not ready for prime time and a HUGE step backwards. It is not // cutting edge and very insecure. // // So maybe centos, even if a year or two behind, is way better than ubuntu // will ever be. / Since 6.1 is close now, I do not expect delays longer then 6 months, and since CR repo exists most of the stuff will come to us much quicker. ElRepo's Mainline kernel (2.6.39-4.rc6.1.el6.elrepo) was completed yesterday, and should pose no problems with CentOS distro. That can, if no other option exists help you with kernel/video problems. My only real concern was where red hat was going with this clone war (just a yoda line :) ) I decided to try out some non red hat versions. I really was excited about ubu and getting somewhat newer packages of things and trying them out. Turns out my experience is very disappointing with ubu. It makes centos look light years ahead of them in all ways. One just wishes redhat had a realistic upgrade of some packages (like php) during the life. Where is this CR repo listed at? I did not see it on centos.org. I may just go with it. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
Vreme: 11/10/2011 03:36 PM, Bob Hoffman piše: Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote My only real concern was where red hat was going with this clone war (just a yoda line :) ) I decided to try out some non red hat versions. I really was excited about ubu and getting somewhat newer packages of things and trying them out. Turns out my experience is very disappointing with ubu. It makes centos look light years ahead of them in all ways. One just wishes redhat had a realistic upgrade of some packages (like php) during the life. Remi's repository has those, but is 3rd party repo. http://rpms.famillecollet.com/ Where is this CR repo listed at? I did not see it on centos.org. I may just go with it. http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/CR -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] questions about epil repo
hi, I installed the epil repo and imported the key but everytime i try to install a package from epil Public key for proftpd-1.3.3f-1.el6.i686.rpm is not installed I get this with evry package i try to install using centos 6 i686 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] questions about epil repo
Vreme: 11/10/2011 03:46 PM, mike and bud piše: hi, I installed the epil repo and imported the key but everytime i try to install a package from epil Public key for proftpd-1.3.3f-1.el6.i686.rpm is not installed I get this with evry package i try to install using centos 6 i686 You mean EPEL repo? -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On 11/9/2011 6:23 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: SPAMAssasin is a monster and the documentation is *BAD*. But I've gotten it working. Just post specific questions. SpamAssassin is not THAT bad. There is a fair amount of info out there on how to integrate it with various mail servers. (http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/IntegratingSA). The SpamAssassin mailing list is also quite helpful. -- Bowie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Misterious hang
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:25 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Any clue where to look for the cause? Two questions: is there anything on the console screen? Does it just hang, or reboot? If the latter, and there's nothing in the logs, it's possible activating openLDAP was just coincidental with the problem, and I'd start worrying about hardware problems. 1. It's a VM, the console looks black. Typing something on keyboard doesn't bring back the console to alive. It's also unresponsive to ping. 2. It's just hang. Not reboot. I have to power off the VM and power on. The ESXi host has many VM in it and only my that VM has problem. No specific time of hang. Only thing I can try is to deactivate auditd. Let's see if it survives more than one day without hang. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] questions about epil repo
yes. -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Ljubomir Ljubojevic Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:54 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] questions about epil repo Vreme: 11/10/2011 03:46 PM, mike and bud piše: hi, I installed the epil repo and imported the key but everytime i try to install a package from epil Public key for proftpd-1.3.3f-1.el6.i686.rpm is not installed I get this with evry package i try to install using centos 6 i686 You mean EPEL repo? -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 09:18:43AM -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Bob Hoffman wrote: This is a continuation of the thread about redhat vs centos and the thought of moving from centos due to redhats new business model. Forgive the length, but I had to share. Thank you, very much, for the details (not that I was planning on going to ubuntu...) I want to add my thanks as well--we have a few, non-firewalled, Ubuntu servers that we're working with--the people who do the stuff these servers do are more experienced with it, and we left it to them. Two things: snip 2- uses a really lame 1980 DOS version of a text installer. It does not and will not use a basic vid driver install which means your setting up of lvms and such during the install is really fun. What's wrong with text mode? I certainly prefer it. Oh, and those menus came along 2-3 years later g Yeah, all kidding aside, I think the whole crippling of the RH text installer was a step in the wrong direction. A text installer is smaller, faster, and doesn't suddenly, as has happened to me with various video card monitor combos, stop working or have the buttons off the screen and no way to reach them save to tab, enter, and hope you're on the right one. snip 6- uses upstart and init, mixed up a bit. Upstart, BY DESIGN AND ACCORDING TO DOCUMENTATION is new and still being built so they do not want to put any documentation out on it yet. This makes chkconfig and things like that useless. Hence, if you want to know what is running, set to run, etc, you need to dig in multiple folders and read the scripts. There is no other way. What a horror. Well, Fedora is going to systemd, which seems more designed for desktop/laptop users, where speed of a boot seems to be the most important goal, so I suspect RH will get there too. Yes. Just like the grub ubuntu uses, that is a bloody script, and a .d directory *full* of files, rather than the clean, simple menu with RHEL/CentOS. snip Enjoy it while you can. (Sorry, not being funny here, everyone is going to grub2 with its 200 plus files in the /boot/grub2 directory.) I don't want to have to read scripts to find out how to configure something, or make it do something. A README, at the very least, should have that (not here's the license, go figure out everything else). Sorry, but this sounds like RH to me. I came to CentOS from the BSDs, where if there was a service running, you could type man name and get an idea of what it was doing. My first day on this job, I'd type man some extra service that RH thought I should have and no clue what it did only to find, eventually, that there was nothing but a document telling me it's free software in /usr/share/doc. (Granted, this is my memory speaking, and like an old flame one hasn't seen in many years, the difference between BSD and RH docs probably aren't as drastic as I remember, but shucks, complaining is FUN!). From what I've been reading on /., along with gnome 3 and unity, that wing of the F/OSS movement, presumably in an effort to go head-to-head with M$ and Apple, are going the same way they are: here's how you do it, don't try to do it any other way, and we'll make it *REALLY* hard to do it any other way. Yes, and I greatly fear that RH will follow Fedora along much of that path. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: Look, I know this new guy's a dork, but... Well, I have nothing to follow that. He's pretty much just a dork. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] what is pirut called under CentOS6?
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 06:35:38AM -0800, John Doe wrote: From: Boris Epstein borepst...@gmail.com I noticed that pirut is no longer part of CentOS6. Does anybody know if there is a different graphical interface to yum that came to replace it? A Google search says: Pirut was the system level updating tool which PackageKit aims to replace in RHEL 6. For what it's worth, many people on the Fedora forums find that they have issues with PackageKit still, and use yumex instead. The main developer, Richard Hughes, does seem happy to work on bugs when reported. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Spike: We like to talk big... vampires do. 'I'm going to destroy the world.' That's just tough-guy talk. Strutting around with your friends over a pint of blood. The truth is, I _like_ this world. You've got...dog racing, Manchester United. And you've got people. Billions of people walking around like Happy Meals with legs. It's all right here. But then someone comes along with a vision. With a real... passion for destruction. Angel could pull it off. Good-bye, Picadilly. Farewell, Leicester-bloody-Square. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Nov 10, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Bob Hoffman wrote: This is a continuation of the thread about redhat vs centos and the thought of moving from centos due to redhats new business model. Forgive the length, but I had to share. I went ahead and downloaded the 5 year supported version of ubuntu server. You think centos/redhat is a bit tough or not polished? One day with ubuntu server and you will look at centos install and setup as a god! Where do I begin? 1- you download the iso, burn a cd. But guess what? It is only a small boot setup (about 600mb). The install actually sets up your eth port and then SLOWLY downloads a base set of packages. Then when you are done with your drive set up, you get to pick a package. Then it downloads and installs, asking you a few questions as it does. Then it upgrades itself. About 40 minutes due to the downloads for me... you can turn off networking or unplug the cable if you you only want a base install and don't want it to install the latest updates out of the box. 2- uses a really lame 1980 DOS version of a text installer. It does not and will not use a basic vid driver install which means your setting up of lvms and such during the install is really fun. ubuntu server is basic (no x) - it's a small footprint install. Most people who do servers prefer this. As for setting up LVM's and such... it's pretty much the same as any RH... just looks different 3- I don't know about having a server being forced to connect to the internet before you can even begin to secure it up. But the only way to really install it is to do that. Wait til you see the insecure firewall setup if gave me too. again, you don't have to connect to the internet to install 4- I picked the virtual host package, as the machine will hold guest OS's (presumably ubuntu). 5- booted up fine. 6- uses upstart and init, mixed up a bit. Upstart, BY DESIGN AND ACCORDING TO DOCUMENTATION is new and still being built so they do not want to put any documentation out on it yet. This makes chkconfig and things like that useless. Hence, if you want to know what is running, set to run, etc, you need to dig in multiple folders and read the scripts. There is no other way. What a horror. RHEL v6 (and CentOS 6) use upstart too... life has all sorts of curveballs 7- The install, of the virtual host, added libvirt. It did not however install things like virt-install or any other virt software. Infact, no guest installation tools were added, though things like virsh were installed. Sigh. 8- The firewall and network do not have the scripts folder. You have to build your own firewall file and add scripts to make it over ride the stock one via the eth you want to use it forwtf? all sorts of packages for firewall management. apt-cache search firewall | wc -l 152 why be content with the minimal firewall tool when you actually can have a choice? 9- here is the firewall, for a virtual host, that should not have anything but port 22 open as far as the initial install should (at least in my opinion).Ubuntu starts with this (remember, ubuntu forces you to be online to install and this is how it protects your server) nothing like chaining lack of understanding to dramatize I was not blocked on a single port going from my desktop to my server via my router. ALL PORTS were accessible. This is out of the box. Shell 22 was open from all my computers. Not listed in the firewall as open. You can see it is quite different than the centos stock and I think ubuntu is a 'run away' install. sure - there's a difference but you're chaining again. There is no bridge set up in the network interface files either. There is no bridge set up. The firewall is looking at virbr0 but there is no such configuration I could find in the etc folder, anywhere. Very odd. # Generated by iptables-save v1.4.4 on Mon Nov 7 23:35:47 2011 *nat :PREROUTING ACCEPT [84:12492] :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [9:626] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [9:626] -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.122.0/24 ! -d 192.168.122.0/24 -p tcp -j MASQUERADE --to-ports 1024-65535 -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.122.0/24 ! -d 192.168.122.0/24 -p udp -j MASQUERADE --to-ports 1024-65535 -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.122.0/24 ! -d 192.168.122.0/24 -j MASQUERADE COMMIT # Completed on Mon Nov 7 23:35:47 2011 # Generated by iptables-save v1.4.4 on Mon Nov 7 23:35:47 2011 *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [3701:295955] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [793:1276008] -A INPUT -i virbr0 -p udp -m udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -i virbr0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -i virbr0 -p udp -m udp --dport 67 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -i virbr0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 67 -j ACCEPT -A FORWARD -d 192.168.122.0/24 -o virbr0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT -A FORWARD -s 192.168.122.0/24 -i virbr0 -j ACCEPT -A FORWARD -i virbr0 -o virbr0 -j
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Scott Robbins wrote: Yeah, all kidding aside, I think the whole crippling of the RH text installer was a step in the wrong direction. A text installer is smaller, faster, and doesn't suddenly, as has happened to me with various video card monitor combos, stop working or have the buttons off the screen and no way to reach them save to tab, enter, and hope you're on the right one. I don't entirely disagree, but it didn't make sense to maintain two code bases. Even with EL5 there were differences in what you could do in text vs graphical (can't remember the details but there was something missing RAID/LVM related). If you're doing a one off install either you've normally got functional network to another computer and so can use VNC, or you've got a usable graphics setup. It's not *that* often you've not got either. For non-one offs then you're installing with kickstart so it doesn't really matter. Well, Fedora is going to systemd, which seems more designed for desktop/laptop users, where speed of a boot seems to be the most important goal, so I suspect RH will get there too. upstart/systemd both should both offer more than we're used to. Having a service marked as 'should be on' such that it gets kicked back into life if it crashes isn't necessarily a bad thing. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
Vreme: 11/10/2011 04:30 PM, Scott Robbins piše: Well, Fedora is going to systemd, which seems more designed for desktop/laptop users, where speed of a boot seems to be the most important goal, so I suspect RH will get there too. systemd will be much much more once it is done. From http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html : A central part of a system that starts up and maintains services should be process babysitting: it should watch services. Restart them if they shut down. If they crash it should collect information about them, and keep it around for the administrator, and cross-link that information with what is available from crash dump systems such as abrt, and in logging systems like syslog or the audit system. Status All the features listed above are already implemented. Right now systemd can already be used as a drop-in replacement for Upstart and sysvinit (at least as long as there aren't too many native upstart services yet. Thankfully most distributions don't carry too many native Upstart services yet.) However, testing has been minimal, our version number is currently at an impressive 0. Expect breakage if you run this in its current state. That said, overall it should be quite stable and some of us already boot their normal development systems with systemd (in contrast to VMs only). YMMV, especially if you try this on distributions we developers don't use. - So it is not only booting, but also unifying and better controlling entire environment. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
I just want to say that this is the stupidest conversation I have ever had heard - Screw this I am going back to FreeBSD. Benjamin Warriner Technology Specialist Region 7 Education Service Center 1909 North Longview Street Kilgore, Texas 75662 Phone: (903) 988-6949 Fax: (903) 988-6965 Region 7 Education Service Center is committed to student success by providing quality programs and services that meet or exceed our customers' expectations. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email attached documents may contain confidential information. All information is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to read, disclose, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on the information and any action other than immediate delivery to the named recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, do not read the information and please immediately notify sender by telephone to arrange for a return of the original documents. If you are the named recipient you are not authorized to reveal any of this information to any other unauthorized person. If you did not receive all pages listed or if pages are not legible, please immediately notify sender by phone. [ESC7]http://www.esc7.net/ Please Think Before You Print. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Warriner, Benjamin bwarri...@esc7.net wrote: I just want to say that this is the stupidest conversation I have ever had heard - Screw this I am going back to FreeBSD. Thank you, yuou made my Friday ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On 2011-11-10 17:07, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/10/2011 04:30 PM, Scott Robbins piše: Well, Fedora is going to systemd, which seems more designed for desktop/laptop users, where speed of a boot seems to be the most important goal, so I suspect RH will get there too. systemd will be much much more once it is done. From http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html : A central part of a system that starts up and maintains services should be process babysitting: it should watch services. Restart them if they shut down. If they crash it should collect information about them, and keep it around for the administrator, and cross-link that information with what is available from crash dump systems such as abrt, and in logging systems like syslog or the audit system. Compare systemd to Solaris Service Management Facility. Solaris SMF is a very nice and useful part of Solaris. A lot of similarities between systemd and SMF. Solaris is mainly a server OS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Management_Facility ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Convert RTF to ANSI color codes
Anyone have a script or utility to convert an RTF file to ANSI? The main idea here is to preserve the color codes that are specified in the RTF file, so they can be displayed easily in a terminal window. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:33:38 AM Craig White wrote: [Ubuntu is] different - not better, not worse (save for the fact that with Ubuntu I have been able to get timely updates this year). Also, I much prefer their packaging of Apache BIND9 to Red Hat's. [snip] If your expectation was that you could take your limited knowledge base and apply it equally across all Linux distributions and expect it to behave as a Red Hat derived system, then all other distributions will disappoint you. While this is not the CentOS-advocacy list, I do want to mention that if the tradeoff is between a secure (from a firewall and mandatory access control (MAC) standpoint) system and a system with more timely updates, I think I'd rather have the system that is more secure out of the box on the firewall side, SElinux (the upstream-preferred MAC solution) notwithstanding. Too much choice can be worse than sane defaults; and I say this after doing many installs of the following distributions of Linux, and some non-Linux *nix: SLS (go look it up) Red Hat Linux (pre-Enterprise) and derivatives, including Fedora, CentOS, SL, etc. SuSE Caldera OpenServer TurboLinux Gentoo Stage 1 (on Alpha, no less) Debian (multiple toys^H^H^H^Hversions (codename pun), multiple architectures) Ubuntu/Kubuntu of multiple versions, desktop and server, multiple architectures And some minor specialized distributions, including the free and the commercial versions of Smoothwall. OpenBSD, multiple architectures IRIX (6.5.x, Indigo2, O2, and Octane) Apollo DomainOS 10 Solaris 9 and 10 Tandy Xenix, both V7 based and System III, from 8 inch floppies on a Tandy 6000 ATT/Convergent Unix System V Release 2 on 3B1 4.3BSD on a DEC PDP 11/23 (70MB MFM disk.) Of the PC things, SLS was probably the most fun to do, but that's primarily because that was so long ago and even Windows 95 was available on floppies and it was just so cool to run a *nix on the 386SX box the coolness factor has definitely worn off. So I'm in somewhat of a position to comment on what I want and don't want from an install, be it text or GUI. Regardless of ease of install, I very much want/desire/need something that once the initial no-internet-connection install is complete the box comes up with things pretty well locked down by default. CentOS/SL/upstream EL does this, by default, and that is good, updates or no updates. Updates are no more of a panacea than firewalls are. If you doubt the speed at which a non-locked-down system can be exploited, take a 1990s vintage copy of, say, RHL 6.2, go ahead and pre-download the last set of updates for that distribution, do the install on a public IP with no firewall appliance in front of you, and see if you can get the updates installed before you're pwned. This is the world we live in, especially with advanced persistent threats gaining internal network access; firewalling, even on the inside, is no longer optional for a server install. The firewall of course is but one layer in the security of the system; MAC helps immensely, as do proactive NAC/IDS/IPS setups. As the theme song of the USA television series 'Monk' says, it's a jungle out there ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:33:38 AM Craig White wrote: [Ubuntu is] different - not better, not worse (save for the fact that with Ubuntu I have been able to get timely updates this year). Also, I much prefer their packaging of Apache BIND9 to Red Hat's. [snip] If your expectation was that you could take your limited knowledge base and apply it equally across all Linux distributions and expect it to behave as a Red Hat derived system, then all other distributions will disappoint you. While this is not the CentOS-advocacy list, I do want to mention that if the tradeoff is between a secure (from a firewall and mandatory access control (MAC) standpoint) system and a system with more timely updates, I think I'd rather have the system that is more secure out of the box on the firewall side, SElinux (the upstream-preferred MAC solution) notwithstanding. I would generally agree with this (brevity is not your strongest trait) Craig ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Misterious hang
On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Fajar Priyanto fajar...@arinet.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:25 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Any clue where to look for the cause? Two questions: is there anything on the console screen? Does it just hang, or reboot? If the latter, and there's nothing in the logs, it's possible activating openLDAP was just coincidental with the problem, and I'd start worrying about hardware problems. 1. It's a VM, the console looks black. Typing something on keyboard doesn't bring back the console to alive. It's also unresponsive to ping. 2. It's just hang. Not reboot. I have to power off the VM and power on. The ESXi host has many VM in it and only my that VM has problem. No specific time of hang. Only thing I can try is to deactivate auditd. Let's see if it survives more than one day without hang. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Misterious hang
On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Fajar Priyanto fajar...@arinet.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:25 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Any clue where to look for the cause? Two questions: is there anything on the console screen? Does it just hang, or reboot? If the latter, and there's nothing in the logs, it's possible activating openLDAP was just coincidental with the problem, and I'd start worrying about hardware problems. 1. It's a VM, the console looks black. Typing something on keyboard doesn't bring back the console to alive. It's also unresponsive to ping. 2. It's just hang. Not reboot. I have to power off the VM and power on. The ESXi host has many VM in it and only my that VM has problem. No specific time of hang. Only thing I can try is to deactivate auditd. Let's see if it survives more than one day without hang. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Try to using kdump for more information about your problem. I've experience with some problem which is I can't see in /var/log/messages. So I use kdump for what truly happening in my machine. Regards, Adit ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:16:18 PM Craig White wrote: I would generally agree with this (brevity is not your strongest trait) That would be correct. As Mark Twain once said, I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead. And I type (and read) relatively quickly But on-topic, hopefully, I would say that there are more similarities between CentOS and Debian Stable than between Ubuntu LTS and CentOS, primarily due to the way security and version upgrades are handled in terms of process, but that's my opinion because my use cases are better served by the CentOS way of doing things, at least for now. And I would add Scientific Linux to the comparison mix partially due to the difference from CentOS in the way SL handles security-only updates even for older point releases. To see a very clear example of SL's way of doing it, please look at the timestamps of the packages in: ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/50/x86_64/updates/security/ which is the security updates directory for SL 5.0. Yes, .0, not .7. There is no perfect Linux distribution, and there never can be, since there are so many differences in the ways users want to use their systems. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Convert RTF to ANSI color codes
Sean Carolan writes: Anyone have a script or utility to convert an RTF file to ANSI? The main idea here is to preserve the color codes that are specified in the RTF file, so they can be displayed easily in a terminal window. Unrtf claim they can convert to HTML while preserving colours. Does that help? -- Nux! www.nux.ro ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Convert RTF to ANSI color codes
On Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:49:30 AM Sean Carolan wrote: Anyone have a script or utility to convert an RTF file to ANSI? The main idea here is to preserve the color codes that are specified in the RTF file, so they can be displayed easily in a terminal window. unrtf --vt Unrtf is available in the rpmforge/repoforge repository for CentOS 4, 5, and 6. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
Lamar Owen wrote If you doubt the speed at which a non-locked-down system can be exploited, take a 1990s vintage copy of , say, RHL 6.2, go ahead and pre-download the last set of updates for that distribution, do the install on a public IP with no firewall appliance in front of you, and see if you can get the updates installed before you're pwned. -- Completely agree. I noticed upon a new datacenter install with new ips a large number of very strange traffic hits my firewall logs are full of it. I feel, and I could be wrong, that scripts run that just check ips that usually never answer. Then one day the ip answers. The script knows it is probably a new install and they send it all at once. Ubu and centos, different animals. However, the ubu server is touted as an enterprise ready system with commercial support. I found the initial install lacking in that regards and the commercial support sales never answered my mails. I think ubu is all about the desktop and really getting into the cloud. But for a standalone webserver the initial setup is not ready for prime time. I think a company with some good techs can build a nice system that can then be passed along to their servers. However, for the small operator I would take a pass on ubu at this time. The newer stuff is cool, but it lacks the polish of a ready to go system. Centos has the polish, but lacks the new stuff. sigh. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thursday, November 10, 2011 02:20:25 PM Bob Hoffman wrote: The newer stuff is cool, but it lacks the polish of a ready to go system. Centos has the polish, but lacks the new stuff. sigh. And right there is the core (or maybe it's 'sore') point to all of this; it really depends on what you need and how much work you have to do to make it fit your needs. And then keeping up with your needs, as they inevitably change. CentOS is what it is: as close as possible to upstream EL without being upstream EL. Nothing more, nothing less, and bug-for-bug compatible. If that's not what you need, then CentOS won't meet your need. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote: CentOS is what it is: as close as possible to upstream EL without being upstream EL. Nothing more, nothing less, and bug-for-bug compatible. If that's not what you need, then CentOS won't meet your need. Yes, but that 'possible' part is the problem. How much reason do you have to think that it will continue to be possible to be anywhere close to upstream? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
- Original Message - | This is a continuation of the thread about redhat vs centos and the | thought of moving from centos | due to redhats new business model. Forgive the length, but I had to | share. | | I went ahead and downloaded the 5 year supported version of ubuntu | server. | You think centos/redhat is a bit tough or not polished? | One day with ubuntu server and you will look at centos install and | setup | as a god! Let me start out by saying that I totally agree with you here. Ubiquity is a really crappy installer! I've fought with it for many years. However, like RHEL/CentOS you can use kickstart to install the machine. It's called kickseed in Ubuntu/Debian and maps a subset of the Kickstart features to the debian-installer equivalent. | Where do I begin? | | 1- you download the iso, burn a cd. But guess what? It is only a small | boot setup (about 600mb). | The install actually sets up your eth port and then SLOWLY downloads a | base set of packages. This, like the RHEL/CentOS installer can be changed if you are using kickstart. If you are are installing from CD it will install packages *that have not been updated* from the CD. However, the installer does check security.ubuntu.com and downloads updates during installation for those packages. This would be the equivalent to including the updates and CR repos during a kickstart. | Then when you are done with your drive set up, you get to pick a | package. | Then it downloads and installs, asking you a few questions as it does. | Then it upgrades itself. | About 40 minutes due to the downloads for me... See above statement. If you are kickstarting, it's no big deal. | 2- uses a really lame 1980 DOS version of a text installer. It does | not | and will not use a basic vid driver install | which means your setting up of lvms and such during the install is | really fun. Then you downloaded the alternative, netboot or server installer. The desktop installer is fully graphical, however, is lacking many features such as LVM and RAID support selections. This is *entirely* different than Anaconda which actually works the same whether using the text, VNC or standard graphical install. | 3- I don't know about having a server being forced to connect to the | internet before you can even begin to secure | it up. But the only way to really install it is to do that. Wait til | you | see the insecure firewall setup if gave me too.. And during installation of RHEL/CentOS how to do secure the box before installing? How about applying updates before putting it in production? Let's be fair here. | 4- I picked the virtual host package, as the machine will hold guest | OS's (presumably ubuntu). Would be covered by a kickstart and a virtual host package is the equivalent to the package group in RH speak | 5- booted up fine. | | 6- uses upstart and init, mixed up a bit. Upstart, BY DESIGN AND | ACCORDING TO DOCUMENTATION is new and | still being built so they do not want to put any documentation out on | it | yet. This makes chkconfig and things like | that useless. Hence, if you want to know what is running, set to run, | etc, you need to dig in multiple folders and | read the scripts. There is no other way. What a horror. You are arguing that something is misunderstood by you and thereby horrific. As a person who manages several UNIX UNIX-like operating systems, I would agree that it is horrific to have to understand the differences about how to enable / disable services on each platform. | 7- The install, of the virtual host, added libvirt. It did not however | install things like virt-install or any other virt software. | Infact, no guest installation tools were added, though things like | virsh | were installed. Sigh. That is correct, those packages are provided as extra tools. They are not needed for virtualization to work. | | 8- The firewall and network do not have the scripts folder. You have | to | build your own firewall file and add scripts | to make it over ride the stock one via the eth you want to use it | forwtf? Is it that you don't understand where they are or that it's just not possible? There's a difference. Yeah, on RH there is an /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. On Debian/Ubuntu there is a /etc/network/interfaces file that controls all. What's wrong with that. Personally, I can think of lots of things, but it's my opinion. I'm trying to show that you are making assumptions about how this should be compared to how things are before learning the why things are the way they are. | 9- here is the firewall, for a virtual host, that should not have | anything but port 22 open as far as the initial install | should (at least in my opinion).Ubuntu starts with this | (remember, ubuntu forces you to be online to install and this is how | it | protects your server) | | I was not blocked on a single port going from my desktop to my server | via my router. ALL PORTS
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
- Original Message - | Bob Hoffman wrote: snip | Yes. Just like the grub ubuntu uses, that is a bloody script, and a .d | directory *full* of files, rather than the clean, simple menu with | RHEL/CentOS. | snip | | I don't want to have to read scripts to find out how to configure | something, or make it do something. A README, at the very least, | should | have that (not here's the license, go figure out everything else). Fedora 16 moved to GRUB 2 as well. It will be in RHEL/CentOS in the next release. Get used to it. ;) /snip -- James A. Peltier IT Services - Research Computing Group Simon Fraser University - Burnaby Campus Phone : 778-782-6573 Fax : 778-782-3045 E-Mail : jpelt...@sfu.ca Website : http://www.sfu.ca/itservices http://blogs.sfu.ca/people/jpeltier I will do the best I can with the talent I have ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:42:36PM -0800, James A. Peltier wrote: Then you downloaded the alternative, netboot or server installer. The desktop installer is fully graphical, however, is lacking many features such as LVM and RAID support selections. This is *entirely* different than Anaconda which actually works the same whether using the text, VNC or standard graphical install. It does not. The text-based anaconda installer is crippled and has been so for many years. You are fully unable to exercise full control of the install process as you can with the gui version. The problems are well known and have been for years. John -- The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956), journalist, satirist, and freethinker, The Smart set, Volume 68 (with George Jean Nathan) p 49 (1922) pgpOjttxKWX7W.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
James A. Peltier wrote: Fedora 16 moved to GRUB 2 as well. It will be in RHEL/CentOS in the next release. Get used to it. ;) Grub2 really seems extraordinarily verbose. One can't help wondering if the simplicity of the old grub offended the developers. Simplicity does not seem to be highly valued nowadays. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On Wednesday, November 09, 2011 07:23 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 01:10 -0500, Jonathan Vomacka wrote: CentOS Community I was wondering if anyone had a good resource or procedure for a step by step in installing a mail server with Centos. There ARE documents on google, however almost all that i've found were outdated from 2005. Does anyone know where I can find this type of document for a mailserver Postfix + MySQL + SpamAssassin + ClamAV + Squirrelmail + Postfixadmin, etc? MySQL has nothing to do with mail. If you can avoid using it - avoid it. The just-throw-everything-in-mysql approach to life has never made sense to me. Maybe it does not have to but it sure is a wonderful part of a system when you host thousands or millions even of mailboxes and want to be able to run server farms/clusters that can lookup a shared userinfo database. Don't bother giving me crap about generating Berkerly DB files every fifteen minutes. Don't bother pointing to ldap too because by your definition for mysql, ldap has nothing to with mail too. For CLAMAV you need to have clamd running and a milter. I'm not certain what milter's are current - when I set one up they were all had equally stale documentation. Does CentOS currently ship a working clamav milter? RHEL/Centos ships zero milters... I have no idea what Postfixadmin is; I've never seen much point in an MTA admin tool. And MTA is pretty much setup and let it run. Yeah, for a small setup. And it is not an MTA admin tool. It is a userinfo admin tool. When you want shared userinfo databases for an MTA like postfix/sendmail/qmail/exim, you tend to use mysql or postgresql. Squirelmail is an application; just use their documentation [although I'd recommend Horde over Squirrel]. Yes, horde + sieve + dovecot + dovecot sieve extension is kinda handy for generating filter recipes. Who needs crap like maildrop or procmail when dovecot provides the lda, the pop/imap servers and the glue between postfix and the userinfo db? You don't mention a mail store [IMAP Server]? Such as Cyrus IMAP. Something for Postfix to deliver the mail too. Mail store != imap server. Mail store = structure for mboxes/maildirs. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 14:30 -0500, Lamar Owen wrote: On Thursday, November 10, 2011 02:20:25 PM Bob Hoffman wrote: The newer stuff is cool, but it lacks the polish of a ready to go system. Centos has the polish, but lacks the new stuff. sigh. And right there is the core (or maybe it's 'sore') point to all of this; it really depends on what you need and how much work you have to do to make it fit your needs. And then keeping up with your needs, as they inevitably change. CentOS is what it is: as close as possible to upstream EL without being upstream EL. Nothing more, nothing less, and bug-for-bug compatible. If that's not what you need, then CentOS won't meet your need. close? May 19, 2011 (RH 6.1) I thought the term 'close' only applied to horseshoes and hand grenades. Given the track record for CentOS for v 6, it's pretty clear that installing it means that you are likely to have deployed servers that will lag for months without security updates and it's awful easy to set up iptables ;-) I'm not saying this to disparage the developers because I'm sure that they're doing the best that they can but I can't tell my friends/clients/employer/etc. that I can recommend using CentOS knowing the struggles they are having getting out releases updates. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
When all of you mean to stop wasting our time bickering among yourself? If there was ANY chance ANY of you would change it's mind then I would be willing to endure senseless flame war. Since that is not likely to happen in next 100 years, I ask you nicely to finish this thread with we agree to disagree policy. Thank you. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:33 PM, Craig White wrote: 7- The install, of the virtual host, added libvirt. It did not however install things like virt-install or any other virt software. Infact, no guest installation tools were added, though things like virsh were installed. Sigh. 8- The firewall and network do not have the scripts folder. You have to build your own firewall file and add scripts to make it over ride the stock one via the eth you want to use it forwtf? all sorts of packages for firewall management. apt-cache search firewall | wc -l 152 why be content with the minimal firewall tool when you actually can have a choice? What? Those crap choices like ufw or fwbuilder? Oh, btw, if there really was 152 blooming choices, they would on the most part be total crap. I like how you seem to think that stuff like upsd, stone, perdition, libiax-dev for a small sample are somehow firewall related. Managing a firewall on Ubuntu is retarded and I have to write my own scripts to hook into interfaces so that I can a sane set of iptables rules loaded/unloaded without the mess from ufw/fwbuilder/whateverothercrap. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Friday, November 11, 2011 12:37 AM, Thomas Johansson wrote: Compare systemd to Solaris Service Management Facility. Solaris SMF is a very nice and useful part of Solaris. A lot of similarities between systemd and SMF. Solaris is mainly a server OS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Management_Facility Why can't people just use daemontools? It's been available before these I believe :-D ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 11:07 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: On Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:33 PM, Craig White wrote: 7- The install, of the virtual host, added libvirt. It did not however install things like virt-install or any other virt software. Infact, no guest installation tools were added, though things like virsh were installed. Sigh. 8- The firewall and network do not have the scripts folder. You have to build your own firewall file and add scripts to make it over ride the stock one via the eth you want to use it forwtf? all sorts of packages for firewall management. apt-cache search firewall | wc -l 152 why be content with the minimal firewall tool when you actually can have a choice? What? Those crap choices like ufw or fwbuilder? Oh, btw, if there really was 152 blooming choices, they would on the most part be total crap. I like how you seem to think that stuff like upsd, stone, perdition, libiax-dev for a small sample are somehow firewall related. Managing a firewall on Ubuntu is retarded and I have to write my own scripts to hook into interfaces so that I can a sane set of iptables rules loaded/unloaded without the mess from ufw/fwbuilder/whateverothercrap. don't know a thing about ufw or fwbuilder but if you want simplistic firewall rules (ie, RH/Fedora /etc/init.d/iptables) Ubuntu has iptables-persistent which gets the job done just fine. Of course someone with your skills would have no problem migrating RH's /etc/init.d/iptables to Ubuntu (estimated time, 10 minutes). If you want something heavy duty you could simply 'apt-get install shorewall'' but I suspect that you just want to be pedantic. The point that Lamar made - that was that there wasn't any firewall installed by default at all, which I agreed with. Now if it's package quantity vs. quality type of discussion that you want to have... yes, there are some packages that Ubuntu has that don't interest me in the least but the quantity can be mind boggling. For example (and in my sphere of interest), Ubuntu has pre-built packages for netatalk, davical bacula which I use everywhere and I am building them from source for RHEL or CentOS deployments. To be fair however, I did have to build cyrus-imapd from source on Ubuntu whereas Simon's packages for RHEL/CentOS are terrific. Then there's the utility of aptitude/apt-get vs. yum where I can deploy and dynamically manage 'holding' packages on Ubuntu which is simply not available with an rpm/yum package provider. Yum/rpm is good, apt/dpkg is better. Linux is pretty much still Linux and one thing has become obvious since I started playing around with Ubuntu the last 7 or 8 months... that my skills have improved by learning how the other half lives. I still love Red Hat stuff, still use Fedora for my desktop. Some things Ubuntu does better, some things I much prefer Red Hat methodology. In the end, it's still Linux. I just can't embrace installing an OS whose security updates have consistently lagged 3-6 months behind. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 08:49:33PM -0700, Craig White wrote: I just can't embrace installing an OS whose security updates have consistently lagged 3-6 months behind. You've made this point, repeatedly, for the past few months. It's getting old; we are all well aware of your feelings about this. So perhaps we can just let it go now? Please? This thread is an example of what is wrong with this list. There is little to no value to be had with threads of this nature. This isn't an advocacy list; nor is it a list to beat about the merits of one of server distro versus another. John -- Mankind is a single body and each nation a part of that body. We must never say What does it matter to me if some part of the world is ailing? If there is such an illness, we must concern ourselves with it as though we were having that illness. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (1881-1938), founder and first President of the Republic of Turkey pgpeh8fdOZnJS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Friday, November 11, 2011 11:49 AM, Craig White wrote: If you want something heavy duty you could simply 'apt-get install shorewall'' but I suspect that you just want to be pedantic. The point that Lamar made - that was that there wasn't any firewall installed by default at all, which I agreed with. I have seen shorewall generated rules. Far way too much branching off and following rule paths is a pain. For small setups, yes, it will do. But if you need to handle high traffic and therefore optimize the rules, forget it. Now if it's package quantity vs. quality type of discussion that you want to have... yes, there are some packages that Ubuntu has that don't interest me in the least but the quantity can be mind boggling. For example (and in my sphere of interest), Ubuntu has pre-built packages for netatalk, davical bacula which I use everywhere and I am building them from source for RHEL or CentOS deployments. To be fair however, I did have to build cyrus-imapd from source on Ubuntu whereas Simon's packages for RHEL/CentOS are terrific. 1) Not all packages in the provided repos are Canonical supported. Most of them are actually third-party aka 'community' maintained or unmaintained even and 2) You can get a similar if lesser experience with regards to quantity if you also add third-party repos on RHEL/Centos. Just because you don't get third-party packages available without a bit of tinkering is not that much of a plus for Ubuntu. Then there's the utility of aptitude/apt-get vs. yum where I can deploy and dynamically manage 'holding' packages on Ubuntu which is simply not available with an rpm/yum package provider. Yum/rpm is good, apt/dpkg is better. I can play that game too. apt/dpkg is good but yum/rpm is better because it gives me 1) checksums and 2) multi-arch support. Linux is pretty much still Linux and one thing has become obvious since I started playing around with Ubuntu the last 7 or 8 months... that my skills have improved by learning how the other half lives. I still love Red Hat stuff, still use Fedora for my desktop. Some things Ubuntu does better, some things I much prefer Red Hat methodology. In the end, it's still Linux. I just can't embrace installing an OS whose security updates have consistently lagged 3-6 months behind. I would not have said much if you have pushed Debian but Ubuntu? It's a joke. I only happen to have one Ubuntu Hardy server because I did not have a Centos disk at hand when I had to do an emergency installation of a box to take over the predecessor's read RH9 squid/nat box. I have no qualms learning the ropes of another distro but the Ubuntu distro takes the cake for faking a community and having tools that are way behind those available with RHEL/Centos. Does d-i support/have lvm on raid recipes yet? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 22:07 -0600, John R. Dennison wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 08:49:33PM -0700, Craig White wrote: I just can't embrace installing an OS whose security updates have consistently lagged 3-6 months behind. You've made this point, repeatedly, for the past few months. It's getting old; we are all well aware of your feelings about this. So perhaps we can just let it go now? Please? This thread is an example of what is wrong with this list. There is little to no value to be had with threads of this nature. This isn't an advocacy list; nor is it a list to beat about the merits of one of server distro versus another. If timely updates are not a key factor for you, then WBEL is a great distro. If timely updates are the most important thing you consider about the distro you want, then WBEL might not be a fit for you http://beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users/2004-December/004761.html I'm not advocating for any distribution - I am sure I could probably work with any of them. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 12:12 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: I would not have said much if you have pushed Debian but Ubuntu? It's a joke. I only happen to have one Ubuntu Hardy server because I did not have a Centos disk at hand when I had to do an emergency installation of a box to take over the predecessor's read RH9 squid/nat box. I have no qualms learning the ropes of another distro but the Ubuntu distro takes the cake for faking a community and having tools that are way behind those available with RHEL/Centos. Does d-i support/have lvm on raid recipes yet? yeah - community... see SADFL http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/governance ;-) I don't know what you mean by 'd-1' Seems you can do pretty much anything with their version of kickstart (apparently they have incorporated anaconda now but I haven't ever used it) and they also have preseed and I am using puppet and foreman so I have other methodologies. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Craig White wrote: I just can't embrace installing an OS whose security updates have ... Then please leave -- your sustained venom and bile are not needed, wanted, nor useful here, let alone remotely on topic -- Russ herrold ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: For CLAMAV you need to have clamd running and a milter. I'm not certain what milter's are current - when I set one up they were all had equally stale documentation. Does CentOS currently ship a working clamav milter? RHEL/Centos ships zero milters... Rpmforge has MimeDefang and clamav packages. Not sure how hard it is to adapt MimeDefang to postscript but I think it is possible these days. You don't mention a mail store [IMAP Server]? Such as Cyrus IMAP. Something for Postfix to deliver the mail too. Mail store != imap server. Mail store = structure for mboxes/maildirs. Cyrus is sort of its own thing with its own mail store. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On 11/10/11 4:48 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: You don't mention a mail store [IMAP Server]? Such as Cyrus IMAP. Something for Postfix to deliver the mail too. Mail store != imap server. Mail store = structure for mboxes/maildirs. indeed, reader protocol servers like imap, pop3, are a seperate category from the traditional MTA, MDA, MUA triad. in a sense, they are a MUA proxy or service, but they aren't the MUA, thats the client application (Thunderbird, etc). In spite of some claims to the contrary[1], they aren't the MDA, thats something like procmail which the MTA uses to deliver the mail to a mailbox. [1] first google hit on related keywords claimed imap/pop were part of the MDA. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On Friday, November 11, 2011 01:00 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: For CLAMAV you need to have clamd running and a milter. I'm not certain what milter's are current - when I set one up they were all had equally stale documentation. Does CentOS currently ship a working clamav milter? RHEL/Centos ships zero milters... Rpmforge has MimeDefang and clamav packages. Not sure how hard it is to adapt MimeDefang to postscript but I think it is possible these days. You don't mention a mail store [IMAP Server]? Such as Cyrus IMAP. Something for Postfix to deliver the mail too. Mail store != imap server. Mail store = structure for mboxes/maildirs. Cyrus is sort of its own thing with its own mail store. Sorry, I keep forgetting about that crap... Never touched it and never wanted to after I heard the screams from a friend who used cyrus and swore by it until he got corrupt mailboxes. Had to help setup postfix, dovecot and vpopmail iirc. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 23:49 -0500, R P Herrold wrote: On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Craig White wrote: I just can't embrace installing an OS whose security updates have ... Then please leave -- your sustained venom and bile are not needed, wanted, nor useful here, let alone remotely on topic what venom? what bile? For the record, I wasn't the one who brought up Ubuntu Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: Mail store != imap server. Mail store = structure for mboxes/maildirs. Cyrus is sort of its own thing with its own mail store. Sorry, I keep forgetting about that crap... Never touched it and never wanted to after I heard the screams from a friend who used cyrus and swore by it until he got corrupt mailboxes. Had to help setup postfix, dovecot and vpopmail iirc. Some people (or unreliable hardware...) can break anything. There are some very large and apparently successful cyrus installations. Until dovecot started optimistically indexing it wasn't particularly good in large systems. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Friday, November 11, 2011 12:33 PM, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 12:12 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: I would not have said much if you have pushed Debian but Ubuntu? It's a joke. I only happen to have one Ubuntu Hardy server because I did not have a Centos disk at hand when I had to do an emergency installation of a box to take over the predecessor's read RH9 squid/nat box. I have no qualms learning the ropes of another distro but the Ubuntu distro takes the cake for faking a community and having tools that are way behind those available with RHEL/Centos. Does d-i support/have lvm on raid recipes yet? yeah - community... see SADFL http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/governance ;-) I don't know what you mean by 'd-1' d-i = debian-installer which is what Ubuntu uses for its text installer. Seems you can do pretty much anything with their version of kickstart (apparently they have incorporated anaconda now but I haven't ever used it) and they also have preseed and I am using puppet and foreman so I have other methodologies. Oh, things have improved have they? Last I tried, you could not get d-i to do lvm on raid whether on the console or through preseed. Are you telling me that you can now get that done with ks files when you could not with preseed or manually? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 13:23 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: Sorry, I keep forgetting about that crap... Never touched it and never wanted to after I heard the screams from a friend who used cyrus and swore by it until he got corrupt mailboxes. Had to help setup postfix, dovecot and vpopmail iirc. been using cyrus-imapd for years - eats dovecot for lunch in terms of features/performance/reliability/scaling/flexibility and just about every other imaginable use for an IMAP server. Might have thought it would be useful to have some firsthand experience before you labeled something as crap. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011, Christopher Chan wrote: Oh, things have improved have they? Last I tried, you could not get d-i Please take this elsewhere -- it has nothing to do with centos -- Russ herrold ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 21:12 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: On 11/10/11 4:48 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: You don't mention a mail store [IMAP Server]? Such as Cyrus IMAP. Something for Postfix to deliver the mail too. Mail store != imap server. Mail store = structure for mboxes/maildirs. indeed, reader protocol servers like imap, pop3, are a seperate category from the traditional MTA, MDA, MUA triad. in a sense, they are a MUA proxy or service, but they aren't the MUA, thats the client application (Thunderbird, etc). In spite of some claims to the contrary[1], they aren't the MDA, thats something like procmail which the MTA uses to deliver the mail to a mailbox. [1] first google hit on related keywords claimed imap/pop were part of the MDA. LMTP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Mail_Transfer_Protocol Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 23:49 -0500, R P Herrold wrote: Then please leave -- your sustained venom and bile are not needed, wanted, nor useful here, let alone remotely on topic what venom? what bile? For the record, I wasn't the one who brought up Ubuntu nor did I mention non-centos distributions --- take your cruft elsewhere ... this thread is over -- Russ herrold ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On Friday, November 11, 2011 01:28 PM, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 13:23 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: Sorry, I keep forgetting about that crap... Never touched it and never wanted to after I heard the screams from a friend who used cyrus and swore by it until he got corrupt mailboxes. Had to help setup postfix, dovecot and vpopmail iirc. been using cyrus-imapd for years - eats dovecot for lunch in terms of features/performance/reliability/scaling/flexibility and just about every other imaginable use for an IMAP server. Hmm, I must give it a try one day then since it comes with RHEL/Centos. Might have thought it would be useful to have some firsthand experience before you labeled something as crap. True. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On Friday, November 11, 2011 01:31 PM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 21:12 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: On 11/10/11 4:48 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: You don't mention a mail store [IMAP Server]? Such as Cyrus IMAP. Something for Postfix to deliver the mail too. Mail store != imap server. Mail store = structure for mboxes/maildirs. indeed, reader protocol servers like imap, pop3, are a seperate category from the traditional MTA, MDA, MUA triad. in a sense, they are a MUA proxy or service, but they aren't the MUA, thats the client application (Thunderbird, etc). In spite of some claims to the contrary[1], they aren't the MDA, thats something like procmail which the MTA uses to deliver the mail to a mailbox. [1] first google hit on related keywords claimed imap/pop were part of the MDA. LMTP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Mail_Transfer_Protocol That's still nothing to do with imap/pop3 servers. dovecot provides an LDA for just that purpose but it is separate from dovecot's imap/pop3 servers. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 13:40 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: On Friday, November 11, 2011 01:31 PM, Craig White wrote: LMTP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Mail_Transfer_Protocol That's still nothing to do with imap/pop3 servers. dovecot provides an LDA for just that purpose but it is separate from dovecot's imap/pop3 servers. root@srv2:~# grep lmtp /etc/postfix/main.cf | grep -v '#' mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp postfix will use it (perhaps because I use cyrus) and cyrus (like some dovecot installs) uses sieve. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Postfix mail server procedure
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 13:38 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: On Friday, November 11, 2011 01:28 PM, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 13:23 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: Sorry, I keep forgetting about that crap... Never touched it and never wanted to after I heard the screams from a friend who used cyrus and swore by it until he got corrupt mailboxes. Had to help setup postfix, dovecot and vpopmail iirc. been using cyrus-imapd for years - eats dovecot for lunch in terms of features/performance/reliability/scaling/flexibility and just about every other imaginable use for an IMAP server. Hmm, I must give it a try one day then since it comes with RHEL/Centos. I should mention that even though RHEL (Fedora/CentOS/SL/etc.) uses the invoca.ch packages but they are older and never have the 'autocreate' patches. I heavily recommend that you get the SRPM from invoca.ch directly (Simon - who I believe monitors this list) and rebuild (dead simple) http://www.invoca.ch/pub/packages/cyrus-imapd/ The 'autocreate' patches are awesome. Here is info on what they do (and the patch code itself). http://www.vx.sk/download/patches/cyrus-imapd/cyrus-imapd-2.4.4-autocreate-0.10-0.patch but if you use Simon's packages, the autocreate patch is already included (no fuss, no muss). Autocreate INBOX and subfolders on first LOGIN, first POST, auto 'sieve' rules and auto subscribe to various folders including 'shared' or 'public' folders Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
